Muslim Mac attack

yes there is a biblical reason: I dont eat stuff dedictated to the devil.

a 'biblical' reason enough for me!

http://www.kafirnation.com/cartoons.htm

Information please.

"Halal meat is from animals that have been killed facing Mecca and blessed using the name of Allah.*

I thought halal meat was from animals that had their throats cut while conscious so the true believer would know the meat had not been dedicated as a sacrifice to pagan gods? Quite illegal in western countries but as we have no right to force our views on minorities it is very common.

Well, there is that early christian practice of preferring to avoid eating meat in many situations because slaughtering animals in the Roman empire involved pagan rituals, and/or the meat was often from animals used in pagan temple sacrifices, but hey, today you don't get to be the Catholic Church "spokesman" by being principled and conveying those principles clearly when you speak...

godfreyofbouilon well said!

"It has pretty much doubled our sales," Mr Yacoub said.

Is this THE Mr. Yacoub? The same mad scientist who created white people according to Nation of Islam lore? If so I'm surprised it took him this long to put out a "kosher" burger for his minions.

As The Allies Shall Win above indicates there is something kind of creepy about this whole thing. It might be blessed for Muslims but how can we be certain the mule-ah also doesn't throw in something like "And if an infidel eats this may his rectum be afflicted with cellphones(or something worse)". I suppose a Muslim only Mc Donalds will soon be in the cards.

"Death to the Great Satan" yet the peaceful ones eat at Mc Donalds. Go figure.

1 Corinthians 8

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=8&version=31

This chapter basically says that we shouldn't eat meat sacrificed to idols (and I personally believe that Halal meat is just that), but not because the meat is defiled, but because it might offend one of our brothers or sisters in Christ.

So contrary to the Catholic Church Spokesman, YES, there is a biblical principle for not eating Halal meat.

A Catholic Church spokesman said non-Muslims deserved to know if the food was halal before buying. But he said there was no biblical reason for Christians to avoid halal food.

There was a kosher restaurant here in Securelocationville that had excellent roast beef snadwitches and good food all around. The owner passed away, and the reastaurant closed. I miss that place.

HOWEVER:

Yes, there is no prohibition against a Christian eating Muslim prepared food. Neither is there a prohibition in the Bible that specifically prohibits eating dog feces. There is however, the idea that "McDhimmi" is cozying up to maslims is galling. It was not Muslim customers who made McDimmi's what it is today. Eating food prepared in the name of Allah is insulting.

I'll be off to one of these stores very soon to order my double bacon burger and if they have'nt got it I'll be joining the chorus of dissenters. as for halal meat I have no real objection, so what they cut the throat allowing the animal to bleed whilst still alive then kill it, some Asians beat animals to a pulp keeping the blood in, Horses for courses. Another irrelevent thread inciting the other useful idiots.

It feels to me as if it is part of the creeping Islamification of our society. Make it halal and don't tell us. Make us go elsewhere if we want non-halal food. Make our graves face Mecca and don't tell us. Make us apply in writing to have graves that don't face Mecca.

If the McDonalds sign has a big "NOW HALAL!!!" sign out front and is located in a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood that non-Muslims rarely frequent, then maybe it's just a niche marketing thing.

I wouldn't deliberately eat halal food because of what it represents (Islam). I do eat Kosher foods.

I hope people vote with their feet. And I hope that Christian and Jewish leaders emphasize the religious aspect of this issue. I agree that meat blessed in the name of Allah would qualify as meat sacrificed to idols.

If a Christian unknowingly ate halal food at a place such as McDonalds, and if they believe it is against their religion, then perhaps that would be grounds for a lawsuit.

"I'll be off to one of these stores very soon to order my double bacon burger and if they have'nt got it."

Eloivsdiablo, just having the animal slaughtered according to Islamic law, the meat cannot be cooked anywhere near pork. If the halal beef was prepared on the same griddle as the bacon, the beef is no longer halal, it is forbidden. If McDhimmi's claims to have Islamic food and they also have bacon-burgers and a breakfast menu with bacon and sausage, I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that the beef is not halal. It would be haram and sinful for a Muslim to eat it.

Miriam McLennan is a true hero for speaking out. I find halal offensive. I have noticed hot dogs in canada increasingly advertise they are halal. I purposely avoid those brands. Its about time someone spoke out. I have wanted to complain but I am afraid of losing my job if I were to speak out against halal and other infringements of my rights. As a white male in canada I have none.

Pelayo, Mcdonalds here in Australia do have a breakfast menu of egg and bacon 'mcmuffins'
Thanks for pointing that out as I'll be pointing it out to 'them'

McDonalds is mostly crap anyway but that's an ingenious business plan, just cut the animals throat towards Mecca and say "Allah!" and thousands of stupid people flock to your restaurant. Brilliant. I bet to save time they don't even bother and say it's halal anyway. Lol.

Both St. Albans and Brunswick East are very multicultural areas, with a large Muslim presence. St. Albans probably Turkish, Brunswick East more general. So, there is the market for this in these areas. And particularly Brunswick is a popular area for those actively on the left side of politics.

The issue to me isn't that they've done it, that they haven't advertised it's halal. It's underhanded, but this is not the fault of Muslims, this is MacDonald's attitude. They didn't want to risk the 'doubling of sales' actually remaining static. The Brunswick store gets a lot of drive through custom, not necessarily locals.

Canadian Christian,

Thank you for pointing that out. As soon as I saw that pronouncement I was thumbing for

Acts 15:29
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

I see no ambiguity here.

Pelayo,

I respectfully request that you defend your position ("there is no prohibition against a Christian eating Muslim prepared food"), assuming you mean halal. Specifically, I would like to know why killing an animal while saying tasmiyah, which at a minimum (best I can determine) encompasses "in the name of Allah" because/for "Allah is greatest", would not constitute a sacrifice, and therefore be prohibited, Allah being a false god/idol from the Christian perspective.

The Slaughter
The following procedures constitute the ideal procedure for slaughtering an animal…

The animal is given a drink of water and is to be placed lying down facing Mecca
The animal must be calmed
The animal is not allowed to see other animals going to slaughter or being slaughtered and ideally not let to smell other animals’ blood
The animal can at no time see the knife
The knife must be razor sharp
A prayer must be read and the intention to take the animal’s life for the correct reasons must be made [Bismillah-Allah-hu-Akbar]
The neck must be slit in one clean pull of the knife cutting through the skin and oesophagus right to the back of the neck
The animal must be held securely until all life has left it.

From Halal Slaughter requirements: The neck must be slit in one clean pull of the knife cutting through the skin and oesophagus right to the back of the neck

Please someone poke out my mental eyeball. I am seeing Muslims whose sensibilities will not allow them to eat commercial meat, yet they have no problem beheading kaffirs in a manner of less than halal treatment afforded animals.

Without seending too much time finding the best question to post , I found a good one from Islam Q&A.

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=678&ln=eng&txt=pork

Question:
Is it permissible to eat meat dishes at non muslim restuarants where pork and/or alcohol is served. It is not known whether the meat was slaughtered Islamically or not. However the meat and the pork are stored in the same refrigerator and/or cooked using the same utensils.

Answer: Praise be to Allaah.

What the Muslim should do if this is the case, is to avoid eating in these restaurants. He should look for halaal meat in halaal places, even if that is a little difficult for him, because of the importance in Islam of ensuring that food comes from good sources.

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

If I could spend more time I'm sure that I could find an opinion that says that a restaurant serving meals containing pork or even cooking oil derived from pig fat cannot claim halal food.

Concerned Citizen,

I was just quoting from the article. Here 'tis: A Catholic Church spokesman said non-Muslims deserved to know if the food was halal before buying. But he said there was no biblical reason for Christians to avoid halal food.

Since Jesus said that it is not what enters us that defiles us, I must agree with the church spokesman.

Halal = Kashrut (Kosher).

In fact the Arabs created the Qur'an and their religion by freely borrowing from Rabbinical Judaism and Arianism.

To wit in Talmudic Judaism Adam is spoken off as being some 90 ft (or more tall...figures in cubits), In Islam Adam is spoken of as being same 90 ft tall (figures in cubits).

Haram, by the way, means sacred,, and the sacred is forbidden. Ex: Haram al Sharif (mount Sakhra or the Temple Mount). Sakhra was the mother of the Ugartic son god (Salem). Jerusalem is, as it's name implies, the city of Uru the plague god, the war god and Salem the sun god (in his malevolent and destructive role as god of the dead and lord of Hell).

Abdul Shipa, who was Governor of Jerusalem about 1430 B.C. states in a letter to his overlord Amenhophis IV of Egypt that Jerusalem or Urusalem is the city of Beth Ninip and of Uras the god of war whose name there was Salem.

To Beth Ninip the Swine was sacred (haram), and thus forbidden to his devotees.

I worked at Wendy's once.

I know that this stuff they are eating is not halal. There is not enough room in a fast food joint to cook separate meats. The poster above also went into detail as how these meats must be cooked. The only thing McDhimmi is headed to is a big law suit.

And so it goes.

Pelayo,

With all due respect, not so fast. This is not a matter of defilement, it is a matter of not offending the weaker brother (Romans 14), and obedience to scripture. How do you interpret the above from the Jerusalem Council, and the Pauline references consonant with it?

Don't get me wrong. I don't think their spiritual carrion has any magical curse, and if pressed by starvation in like minded company, I'll greedily eat it without a hint of conscience. Might even have seconds.

But otherwise the Book says don't.

Nariz,

I double dog dare you to post that to the stub on "Haram" at Wikipedia.

It's funny, we have laws concering slaughter methods in the west inplemented for the sole purpose of avoiding animal cruely.

Yet, we allow such cruel methods to be used, under the auspices of religious freedom. This thereby indicates that the law is there only to prevent animal cruelty by Christians. Which is ironic, considering that the Christians are the ones that normally don't need laws to be humane. It's the Christians that wrote those laws and established all the Humane Societies in the world. It's the middle eastern types that act in inhumane ways, yet our laws, irony of ironies, do not appy to them.

So we have laws that apply to people that don't need them, and for the people that do need such laws, they are exempt.

PC has turned the world upside down, as Orwell predicted.

Nariz, can you document your sources? I'd like to know.

Canadian and Pelayo, in the Corinthian letters, Paul both cautions against eating food offered to idols for the sake of weaker brethren's consciences and says that an idol is really nothing, so Christians are not obliged to ask questions for conscience's sake re meat sold in the markets.

But I'm not surprised. MacD uses halal meat in the Muslims countries in which it does business--and if they operate in Israel, I'm sure the meat they use is Kosher.

People people people...

Little steps like introducing "halal" food is just one small part of a bigger picture and that is our Islamification.

Sort of like the frog and boiling water.

Throw a frog in boiling water and he'll jump out.

Put a frog in water and SLOWLY turn up the temperature and he'll cook!!!

Won't be long until we have Federal paid Islamic holidays.

Remember Muslims are superior in every way, so it is about time we learned our place and dropped our way of life and culture and adopted theirs.

I mean we have no choice right? Dhimmi's rule...

/sarcasm off

Yes some previous posts did accurately explain that Christians should not eat food blessed by or offered to idols like the false religion of Islam.

I won't eat it out of spite and protest more than anything else.

God I can't wait until it is LEGAL to rid Islam from America using deadly force if necessary.

The halal method of slaughtering causes great suffering in the animal which could be avoided by stunning it in advance. Causing known, deliberate and unnecessary suffering would generally be condemned as sick and evil but strangely you never see anyone protesting against halal slaughtering. This is obviously this is because everyone agrees with halal slaughtering rather than because they're scared of being arrested under race laws.

I stick to my principles and I definitely won't be eating at McDonalds again. I also won't be buying Haribo products (which includes the Pez brand):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=417218&in_page_id=1770

If things keep up at this rate sticking to my principles will require me to stop eating.

Concerned, Here is my question back to you: What did Jesus say about it? Bible chapters after "Acts" are not very important, to me that is.

Concerned, Levi, I need to explain something. I will not eat at a place that advertises Islamically prepared food, not because of any Christian inspired prohibition - I do not want to support Creeping Islamism.

Nariz, every reply to the questions that I have read about pork from the Islamic opinion dealers state the the pig is forbidden not because it is sacred but because it is a filthy disgusting animal. Some Islamists go to great length to state made-up reasons why pork is unhealthy.

RE: "Neither is there a prohibition in the Bible that specifically prohibits eating dog feces."

From two biblical passages (Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14:3-21) the following rules are extracted regarding which animals, birds, and fishes are kosher and which terefah [non-kosher].

Only animals that have cloven hooves and that chew the cud are permitted. The pig does have cloven hoofs but does not chew the cud and is, consequently, forbidden. In the course of time, Jews came to have an aversion to the pig in particular, especially after Jews, in the period of the Maccabees [second century BCE] were ready to give their lives rather than eat pig-meat when ordered by tyrants to do so as an expression of disloyalty to the Jewish religion as a whole. Many a Jew today, otherwise not too observant of the dietary laws, will still refuse steadfastly to eat swine-flesh. It might be remarked, however, it is only eating of the pig that is forbid­den. Surprising though this may seem at first glance, there is no objection, in Jewish law, to a Jew having a pigskin wallet.

The passage in Deuteronomy (14:4-5) gives a list of the animals that chew the cud and have cloven hooves and are thus kosher: oxen, sheep, goats, deer, gazelles, roebuck, wild goats, ibex, ante­lopes, and mountain sheep. It is interesting to note that whale meat and whale oil are forbid­den not because the whale is a forbidden fish but because the whale is a mammal that, obviously, does not have cloven hooves and does not chew the cud.

With regard to birds, the Bible gives a list of the forbidden birds, implying that all others are kosher. But since the exact identity of the birds mentioned is uncertain, it is the practice only to eat birds that are known by tradition to be kosher, such as chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese, and pigeons. The eggs of forbidden birds are terefah, but quails' eggs are permitted since the quail is a kosher bird (see Numbers 12:31-2).

Nowhere in the whole of the Bible is there any reference to a particular fish, only to fish in general. In the two passages dealing with the dietary laws it is stated that only fish that have fins and scales are kosher. The Talmud lays down the rule that a fish that has scales also has fins, so that what actually determines which fishes are kosher is the existence of scales. A problem arises as to how "scales" are defined. [The medieval thinker] Nahmanides understands that only scales that are detachable from the skin of the fish qualify as scales. Where they cannot be detached they are not considered to be scales at all but part of the fish itself.

This is the reasoning behind a fierce debate that took place between rabbinic authorities in the eighteenth century regarding the permissibility of caviar, derived from the sturgeon, since the scales of the sturgeon cannot easily be detached from the skin of the fish, although they can be removed by the application of a lye solution. Some Orthodox Jews today do consider [such] caviar to be kosher, others do not.

There are similar prob­lems regarding turbot and swordfish. Con­servative Rabbis have ruled that swordfish is kosher, since the Talmud states explicitly that it is kosher. Most Orthodox Rabbis, however, are doubtful whether the fish mentioned in the Talmud as kosher is the swordfish. English rabbis in the nineteenth century ruled that the turbot is a kosher fish but their opinion is now generally rejected by British Orthodox Jews.

Worms, frogs, eels, and all shellfish such as crabs and prawns [shrimp] are not kosher. With regard to locusts, the Bible (Leviticus 11:21-2) does state that four species of locust are kosher, but it is difficult to know how these can actually be identified, so that nowadays very few observ­ant Jews eat locusts (although in some oriental countries the kosher type of locusts are eaten, as they were in the biblical period).

As noted elsewhere, the Bible forbids the eating of the meat of an animal torn (terefah) by wild beasts and it also forbids (Deuteronomy 14:21) the meat of an animal that has died of its own accord, called nevelah, a carcass. The Rabbinic understanding of these two terms is that any animal that has not been killed in the manner known as shechitah [kosher slaughtering] istreated as nevelah, and any animal that has serious defects in its vital organs is treated as a terefah, so that its meat is forbidden even if it has been killed in the proper manner. This applies to birds as well as to animals.

There is a vast literature on how to determine which type of organic disease renders an animal or bird terefah. Observant Jews, for instance, will bring to a rabbi a chicken that seems to have some defect when it is opened up. After an examination, the rabbi will declare it to be either kosher or terefah. Similarly, after an animal has been killed, the shochet, the one who performs the act of shechitah, isrequired to carefully examine the lungs of the animal to see whether there are adhesions, some of which render the animal terefah.

Not all adhesions on the lungs render the animal terefah, and a rabbi is called upon to decide in doubtful cases. But the practice has developed among the more observant of permitting only animals the lungs of which have no adhesions at all. Such an animal is called glatt kosher, from the Yiddish "glatt" meaning smooth i.e., the lungs are smooth, without adhesions. A curious development from this in more recent years is to extend the term "glatt kosher" to all products, so that when a product is stated to be ["glatt"] the meaning is: free of any possible taint that can render it terefah. "Glatt kosher" has thus come to mean something like "very kosher" or "strictly kosher."

Toms of Maine natural health care products is a pioneer in halal products. Look for lots more of the lefty 'Ben and Jerry' type entrepeneurs to make it a 'thing' to be certified - especially when its easy as in their case (more of a propaganda move than anything - how many animals are slaughtered to make Toms of Maine toothpaste?)

I don't much care, it is a free country but the ass-kissy gestures towards Islam will get worse before they get better.

Nothing like having arbitrary religious rules that make life more difficult in infidel societies. I'm suprised they refuse to breath air that hasn't been purified in the name of Allah.

"Posted by Levi
People people people...

Little steps like introducing "halal" food is just one small part of a bigger picture and that is our Islamification."

Yep, this is the bit that worries me too.
It's that thin edge of the wedge, the envelope-pushing that bugs me.

re halal and kosher:
my family extends from Charismatic Christians to Orthodox Judaism and a few other weirdo's like me thrown in,lol!

Jews wouldn't eat at Macca's 'cos the whole place has to be kosher. Bacon on the premises would render it un-kosher.Obviously muslims are not like this.

Chrisse and everyone: all good points!!
Lots of stuff here:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/forum_sunday_november_19/

Personally, as one who had to have kosher catering at my wedding a L-O-N-G time ago to suit a few relatives,,what the heck?

My view is that in by gone days "kosher" was just a way to keep food free from germs, and not take risks. My old biology teacher many years ago wouldn't eat pork.

However, with new refrigeration and technology that is not the case and I think we all know too well that healthy food is far more imporant than kosher and halal. Just my humble opnion!

Where real Sha'hidim eat.

This is really a non-issue. If you don't want Halal meat, don't go to the restaurants that have the Halal sign. If you are angry at McDonald's for making special exceptions for Muslims, don't give them your business.

If your religious beliefs forbid you from eating Halal meat, you had better stop eating at restaurants and get your meat directly from the slaughterhouse, because you have no way of knowing otherwise.

You should focus on real issues, like the one I read last week: In Montreal, a clinic has prohibited men from attending prenatal classes with their partners because the presence of men would be offensive to Muslim women.

I'm suprised they refuse to breath air that hasn't been purified in the name of Allah.

Jesus Christ Supercop

They do!

A few years ago I was organising a big handout to an old Muslim who spoke no English and wore only "ethnic" dress. I could not work out why he covered his mouth and nose with the end of his turban when standing close to me, as I do not have a halitosis problem. I was told the probable reason was he did not want to breathe air contaminated by an infidel.

Someone else posted that “There will probably be paid Islamic holidays for Federal staff soon”.

Well the wife of a friend working in a Federal office in Virginia has been told that they must not wish people “Happy Christmas” this year it must be “Happy holiday” from now on.

Here is the article I mentioned in my previous post:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061116.qadq1116/BNStory/National/

Macca's Punchbowl (Sydney) store was apparently
the first Oz Maccas to go Halal, due to the 10% Muslim population in the area. The PDF below is worth reading, for an insight into "DIMIA-tude":
http://www.diversityaustralia.gov.au/_inc/doc_pdf/da_maccas_bc.pdf

McDonald's Punchbowl offers Halal to the
local community

Determining that it was a feasible business
option, the Punchbowl restaur ant then looked
into the process and costs of having the
restaurant certified Halal. Several things had
to be done:

Meat patties had to be sourced from a Halal supplier.

Other suppliers had to be verified as Halal
- such as Coca Cola.

New food handling procedures would have to be
established and cooking equipment installed to
ensure there wasn't mixing of Halal and non-Halal
products.

Staff would need to be trained and briefed on
Halal.

The restaurant also had to employ a Halal
slaughter certified staff member to sign
off on all meat delivered to the restaurant,
a requirement of the certification
authority.

Put me down for a Double-Cheese Burqua and Milk Sheik . I have this uncanny Appetite for Destruction ... ;-)

americaningermany

Couldn't agree more.

"Islam is changing our way of life, one small step at a time. Before we know it, these things will be commonplace and we will all be subjects of islam...if we don't find a way to stop it now. "

This is what we have to be very watchful of. They are getting away with "baby steps" and they will lead to "giant steps".

In Australia after WW2 no Jewish people would have dared to make these demands or no one ever dreamed of accomodating them although I believe if you travelled with QANTAS (much later in time)they would provide kosher food or vegetarian if advised in advance,,or else you took your own food.

Funny how the muslims have got "chutzpah" down to a fine art - funny but tragic.

It's these little things that worry me.

In fact, as despicable as 9/11 was - and I was in the US then and scared sh**less - the cartoon controversy had enormous implications for us all yet no one realised how truly bad it was.

PS
Fast Food isn't healthy anyway,,lol!!
I never eat at Macca's,,,and I will make sure no one in my family does!

The problem is we need to find a way that won't make us more repressive than an Islamic state. If our way is better, it will survive where there is freedom of thought, freedom of expression, and a free market economy. We just need to fight to keep those freedoms alive in our society.

If they break existing laws, we prosecute them. For example, religion should not be an excuse for not allowing a guide dog in a place of business. We don't make exceptions for religion.

We don't make special laws specifically targeting them, like laws forbidding the wearing of veils. But you don't make exceptions for veils where people are required to show their faces. (ex. bus passes)

Finally, we drop the PC routine and publicly denounce beliefs with which we disagree. Social ostracism can be a powerful incentive to change alter views.

This is really a non-issue. If you don't want Halal meat, don't go to the restaurants that have the Halal sign. If you are angry at McDonald's for making special exceptions for Muslims, don't give them your business. == Baraka66

I would add this: either call, write or go into mthe restuarant and tell the manager you'll no longer patronize a halal shop. Send a copy of the letter to McDonald's Corporate in Schamberg, Ill. and estimate to them the $$$ they're losing.

Corporate amerika is bound at the wrists by $$$ They can't stand to hear someone say they will be taking it elsewhere.

The problem is we need to find a way that won't make us more repressive than an Islamic state. If our way is better, it will survive where there is freedom of thought, freedom of expression, and a free market economy. We just need to fight to keep those freedoms alive in our society.

Easy,expel all moslems

"Easy,expel all moslems"

Aren't Muslims allowed to lie about their religion in countries where it's illegal for them to practice? Would you require everyone to eat bacon and drink beer? Kinda destroys the idea of having a free society.

baraka not entirely true

in many muslim country (probably each of them except a very few) it's written in their documents if they are christians, jews or muslims.

It's about time that we use THEIR LAWS to turn them against themselves (deportation)

Lance, as a Christian, I find the Jewish and Islamic food rules as null and void. Jesus' teachings are the primary reasons that Christians do not follow these rules.

In the future I will use the word Gospels instead of the Bible, In my view, a large part of the Old Testament has been superceded.

interesting

If there is money in it Macdonald will do anything to get there. Remember how many they are. Maybee we should recommend them to establish a new business unit serving this particular market MacAllah would be the name. The hallal slaugther shoul be open to se for every one behind the counter. And all employees should bee men with long beards. And the meals should named after citations from the choran
Frankly i dont care I never eat their food anyway- prefer a real steak.
;-)

Just as observant Jews go to kosher restaurants, why can't Muslims open their own restaurants??? Saying a blessing makes it halal??? Kosher slaughtering is done so the animal doesn't feel any pain. By the way, kosher food is allowed by Muslims but we Jews can't eat Halal meat.

Bible chapters after "Acts" are not very important, to me that is.
In the future I will use the word Gospels instead of the Bible...
Posted by: Pelayo

I am curious what if any affiliation you are following.

Concerned Citizen, My affiliation is Jesus Christ, what's yours? I am very put off by Paul's attitude towards women, and I consider all the chapters written after Acts applicable only to the times they were written.

Concerned, I'm gonna tell you a little true story. In 1969 a black family wanted to attend our church. The members of that mainstream, lily-white Methodist church decided that the family could attend services if they could find some people who were willing to sit next to them. Yes, they found some people who agreed to sit next to them and attended service for a while. Their welcome was not "Christion-like" in my opinion.

That was the most hypocritical act by a congregation that I have ever witnessed. I have had a jaundiced attitude toward organized religion ever since.

My Christianity is my own.

God is reached through Jesus Christ, not Paul or Pat Robertson.

The problem is we need to find a way that won't make us more repressive than an Islamic state.

Easy,expel all moslems. Posted by shiva.

How in the hell are you going to expel all muslims and at the same time not make us a more repressive state?

Pelayo,

Clearly I've drawn your ire, my apologies. I mostly was looking for "No affiliation" or "South East Gospel-Only Association" (made that up), as I do not intend to further debate your theology at this site.

Regarding this thread, however, I do believe that the mainstream (i.e. orthodox) and majority Christian conclusion utilizing the entire New Testament (by interpreters familiar with Islamic issues) would be that a Christian should NOT eat halal food under normal circumstances. That you have been dismissive of this protracted the dialogue.

A billion Christians and Jews following their convictions/conscience and NOT eating halal food counterbalances the desire for the fastidious product loyalty to be inspired in the Muslim consumer.

IF there were REALLY no reason for avoiding halal meat, this really would be a non-issue and the article should not have been posted ("Islamophobia!!"). It would be silly to protest something we should all agree on. This is likely the understanding of the McDonalds marketing wizards. The$e type$ need to under$tand thi$ differently.

Sorry about your experiences at church. A church doesn't save you, thank goodness, and not all "Christians" at churches are Christians (pretty few in Western countries, too much secondary gain).

P.S. Reformed ("Calvinistic") Baptist, partial preterist.

Concerned, it really is an issue if McDonalds decides that all their restaurants will serve only Islamic food. McDonalds must state in big letters that it is Islamic food. To me, refusing to patronize establishments that serve only Islamic food is resistance to Creeping Islamism, nothing more nothing less.

I am surprised that a certified Muslim food referee would even issue a certification to an eatery that also serves pork products.

Concerned, I forgot to say that I have no ire. I seem to write in a very mechanical sort of way that prevents the reader from gleaning my attitude. Other contributors JW have also noticed it.

I see the problem. I hereby retract, very humbly, the following sentence:

Concerned Citizen, My affiliation is Jesus Christ, what's yours?

Pelayo,

I actually like your writing style.

"it really is an issue if McDonalds decides that all their restaurants will serve only Islamic food...
I am surprised that a certified Muslim food referee would even issue a certification..."

To be honest, I don't have any great opinion if they serve only halal food in an Muslim predominant country. Makes good "business" sense and they can continue to export our degrading Western culture. It is the thought of "all halal" in a Muslim minority country as though there were no regard for the majority's opinions or sensitivities that wrangles me (aside from the religious aspects above). What, are they next going to say "you're all Abrahamic faiths, we researched it, it's OK. We talked to noted Islamic scholars, including Armstrong and Esposito. Even the Catholic Spokesman and Rabbinical Spokesman said it was all right". That is, we didn't think you would care, and they do, so they win. Eat up, yum, yum.

Maybe they could put them inside mosques, and instead of the indoor playsets, they can teach the kids halal techniques right in the store. "Yes, yes, hold your happy meal until the life if gone... ah, yes.... would you like fries with that?"

With greater scrutiny (fiqhs, fatwas and a few lawsuits) they will have to make the decision to separate the facilities and staff to keep their "certification". They should go ahead now and start converting them, and see how THAT effects the bottom line. They should strongly consider creating a different chain with a clearly recognized name and format to be fair to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. "McHalal by McDonald's" or some such.

Either way, I guarantee that within the year ALL facilities, halal or not, will drop the ham and start calling them just "burgers".

Don't visit any McDonald's. Tell them why. Tell them you will not go to McDonald's in New York or Los Angeles because two McDonald's franchises in Melbourne, Australia are serving halal meat. And you don't like that. It displeases you. It makes you think that there is an attempt to create a Muslim-friendly environment and you want an Islam-hostlie environment all over the Western world. Take your custom elsewhere. Punish McDonald's, in the only way any corporation understands -- but make sure they know why you are staying away. Do it to prevent other McDonald's restaurants, or indeed other kinds of franchies or stores, from doing things to attract Muslim customers, a policy that you rightly consider dangerous to the survival of the West.

This is not trivial. This all adds up.

That side which can bring to bear greater economic pressure in this matter wins. Make it the right side.

I like Hugh's suggestion but if I wrote to McDonald's and said I wouldn't eat at a Canadian outlet because some Muslim in Australia gets to eat blessed meat, I would probably be written off as a bigot.

Is there another way this could be worded? For example, something about not wanting any religious affliation or association with our food or the restaurants we frequent?

For a Christian, it could be not wanting to eat food sacrificed to idols or other gods. For an atheist, though, perhaps it could have something to do with not wanting someone else's religion to dictate what s/he eats?

I personally don't eat at McDonald's anyway because of other (non-religious) dietary restrictions.

"if I wrote to McDonald's and said I wouldn't eat at a Canadian outlet because some Muslim in Australia gets to eat blessed meat, I would probably be written off as a bigot."
-- from a posting above

So?

Just wondering - I s there such a thing as a halal cheeseburger, or is that as oxymoronic as Kosher shrimp salad?

"if I wrote to McDonald's and said I wouldn't eat at a Canadian outlet because some Muslim in Australia gets to eat blessed meat, I would probably be written off as a bigot."
-- from a posting above

"So?" Posted by: Hugh

Hugh - If they can dismiss me as a bigot, they won't have to take my complaint seriously and won't have to do anything.

I personally would rather address an issue in concrete terms that McDonalds, or whoever, would have to take seriously and respond to.

Yes Islam is changing our lives one little step at a time. And I am amazed at somefolks response to this, I posted in on another board and it was 50%, "no big deal, it's a private company, free enterprise.." blah,blah,blah..course I suggested someone was being a good dhimmini and was immediatley warned by the moderating not to be so mean. God help. Half the folks in the US will never know what hit them..its the frog in teh warming water syndrome, if the temperature is raised slowly the water gets too hot and the frog boils before he realizes what is happening.

The problem with Halal slaughtering is deeper in my view. Muslims here where I live make the face of the animal being slaughtered face the qibla while their blood is being poured out.
It looks to me like a bloody and weird animistic ritual towards the islamic black stone.

Despite all their blah blah about monotheism, Islam is based on a strange worship of an animistic nature. Why is that black stone at the center of their daily prayers and rituals?

I won't eat at MacDonalds. They should have done more research on what halal means before alienating us non-Muslim customers.

RE: Pelayo's assertion: "In the future I will use the word Gospels instead of the Bible, In my view, a large part of the Old Testament has been superceded."

That is precisely what the Mohamedans say in respect of their Quran replacing the Christian bible.

Christian Zionists reject Pelayo's "replacement theology" because they realize that if the Jews and Judaism can be replaced, then so too can Christianity; as Islam asserts.

That is why such obnoxious terms as "old testament" is gradually being properly referred to as the Hebrew Bible.

Talk about "mystery meat."

Rocky, it is barbaric. especially the Ramadan.

In Australia, we stun them animal into unconciousness before the halal slaughter.

We have had a push from Animal rights here to ban the live export of Aussie Animals to the Middle East,it is a big $ industry, especially around the vile ramadan...but now there is a market of muslims in Malaysia who will take our frozen Aussie slaughtered meat.. our slaughter standard is way higher than the cruel cultish ramadan blood bath, and it cuts out the horror boat ride to the ME for the sheep.

Several years ago, a Kosher McDonald's was opened in Jerusalem for Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Jews. I am surprised that McDonald's has not opened Halal restaurants in Muslim neighborhoods. If that happens, then non-Muslims would not have to know if their meat is Halal or not since they would be unlikely to eat at Halal McDonald's restaurants anyway.