"No national strategy to tackle the radicalisation of young Muslims" in UK prisons

perfect. Taking the most violent in society and leading them to the most intolerant violent philosophy since Nazism.

"Currently Muslims have to walk through the Christian chapel to reach their place of worship, "exacerbating at times inherent tension". (from article)

Wouldn't a 'religion of peace' be respectful of another's religion, without "exacerbating inherent tensions"? Walking through a Christian chapel, shouldn't that be dealt with by Muslims with a sense of respect for the holiness of the chapel? Anyone walking into a house of worship should be respectful of the prayers offered there, even if it is empty. Or is this just simply impossibly asking too much of Muslims? If Islam creates division and hatreds, violence and killings, so probably the answer is that they cannot respect another's religion, since they cannot even respect adherents of their own. "Radicalization" has nothing to do with it, it is "pure" Islam driving the hate.

Let the pot boil some more, smoke rising from inside the prison walls, for all to see on the evening news. Perhaps the dhimmfied Brits in their wisdom will open their eyes to this newly invited 'religion of peace' inside their borders, it is really 'Hell on Earth'.

If they're perturbed by dogs then the same hadith adds images and what of the traditional picture of the monarch on UK gov't offices? Will they next demand the Queens picture be taken down? These muslim prisoners best behave themselves as no angels will come to save them.

Well, this is a good development in the sense that these poor Moslems will not be offended by the sight St. George's Cross ad these gubmint officials slide up on their knees, groping for zipper.

Even in prison these idiots can't get along. Next thing they'll want will be segregated cemetaries.

The fact that they use "religious services" as a cover for all kinds of less than holy activity shows what a crock it is that these are devoted Muslims. They're basically criminals hiding behind a "religion", one that never seems to mind what's done in its name (how convenient).
Put them all in solitary and give them no extra goodies-why should they get a mosque? Islam helped put them in jail, so why keep feeding them that poison?

No problem , throw the vermin off the end of a pier and make them swim at gunpoint to whatever AliBaba ,mud hut s**thole takes thier fancy.

"Even in prison these idiots can't get along. Next thing they'll want will be segregated cemetaries."

sorry to inform you, but muslims already have separate cimiteries or separate areas at the local cimiteries

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546560

It is known that every religious community has its own cemeteries; Jews have their own cemeteries, as do Christians and pagans; therefore, it is natural that Muslims have their own cemeteries too. Muslims living in non-Muslim countries should try, through approved channels, to have their own cemeteries whenever possible, for that would enhance their presence and preserve their personality. If they fail to have their own separate cemetery, they should at least have a specific and exclusive spot within the cemetery of non-Muslims wherein they can bury their dead.
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now, this is the zenith of idiocy, jews don't have cemeteries because they burn the deads, and "pagans" for whatever that means never showed any particular request.

So the issue is muslims vs christians, and the mussies don't want to be buried next to dogs and apes and pigs...

Start with taking away the koran, and anything else to do with islam. Make them dress like regular inmates, no prayer rugs, no halal food, no facing toliet seats toward mecca.

Any talk of islam coming from so called imams, toss into solitude confinement.

Then put them to work. Whether making license plates or breaking rocks. They'll be too tired by the end of the day to prostelyze.

This is a start.

It's not the radicalisation of those who are already Muslims in prison that is the most worrisome problem. It is, rather, the campaigns of Da'wa and group pressure that target incarcerated Infidels. That is the greater menace.

or it could be another instance of cultural "sensitivity," as dogs are largely despised in Muslim cultures, supported by ahadith such as this:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)." (Bukhari 004.054.448)

Yes they apply "instructions" like this so they don't have to take a "seeing dog" in a taxi and in so doing leave a sight impaired person stranded.

However:

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 174:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "A man saw a dog eating mud from (the severity of) thirst. So, that man took a shoe (and filled it) with water and kept on pouring the water for the dog till it quenched its thirst. So Allah approved of his deed and made him to enter Paradise." And narrated Hamza bin 'Abdullah: My father said. "During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle, the dogs used to urinate, and pass through the mosques (come and go), nevertheless they never used to sprinkle water on it (urine of the dog.)"

Bunch of Hypocrites.

jews don't have cemeteries because they burn the deads, pOSTE BY STILL FED UP

What is it with Right Wing Radicals? Why do they insist on proving their gross ignorance, yet pontificate like they are the supreme source of knowledge in the universe?

Pick up the cluephone oh ignorant one.. Jews don't cremate their dead, in fact cremation is forbidden, just as it is forbidden to MOST Catholics and other Christians.

Judaism has traditionally disapproved of cremation, as it was the traditional means of disposing the dead in the neighbouring Bronze Age Pagan Semitic cultures, but also disapproved of preservation of the dead by means of embalming and mummifying, as the Egyptians did. During the 19th and early 20th centuries, as the Jewish cemeteries in many European towns had become crowded and were running out of space, cremation became an approved means of burial amongst the Liberal Jews.

What were you saying?

I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."

Well I’m sorted then, my living room as many pictures of family and friends, and we have a particularly muscular Doberman that dislikes uninvited guests invading her house.

No doubt the Imams will create a special rule that old Mo would approve of to counter my defence. But no fear I’ll breed these:

“The “dogs of war” were Roman. Huge and fearsome Molosser dogs, which resembled giant Rottweilers, these were sent into battle to kill and dismember the enemy.”

Maybe Wandsworth nick will buy a dozen for special duty.

Does anybody here really believe that the Islamists have any chance of actually destroying the West through force of arms?

Russia couldn’t do it. China as no friends capable of helping them do it. So why on earth are we blowing ourselves out worrying about a bunch of second rate religious fanatics armed with yesterdays weapons and a week in die for Allah camp?

So what if the short one in Iran manages to build ten bombs and says guess what you attack me I’ll attack you back. He cannot pre-emptively strike anybody. Imagine an Iranian nuke detonating in Germany, say Munich succumbs to a fire storm. Does anybody believe that Merkel wouldn’t declare open season on Iran?

Muslims are playing the political and breeding game, and actions like blowing up planes and killing the Pope always play into our hands. They know this too. I bet the Pope won’t be assassinated in Turkey because the Islamists know they will lose the straight fight.

And if they cannot win the straight fight then all we have to do is clear them from our borders and send them back to the sand.

Then we win.

One of the fascinating aspects of the advent of computer animation is seeing those wonderful clips of particles in various experiments... We've all seen those animations envisioning two galaxies colliding, which, when all the myriad effects of Newtonian physics are considered, result in all manner of aftermaths -- sometimes spectacular spiral nebulae are the result, or chaotic roiling fuzzballs at the center of huge discs of trillions of stars. This technology utilizes various rule sets, thermodynamics, fluid dynamics, quantum mechanics, Newtonian mechanics, all to to calculate behaviors, behaviors of wind turbulence on a space craft wing traveling at super fast speeds, the effects of various preliminary shapes on nuclear and conventional detonation yields, the behaviors of rioting throngs, or the effect of traffic light timings on flows on our road systems.

Mysterious and beautiful to behold, these animations are tangible evidence for our eyes of the complex workings of our Universe. This technology is a tool to study the influence of discrete actors with defined predetermined properties, all of which play upon each other and affect outcome. Will that Atlantic storm coalesce into a hurricane? Will it bypass or hit a major population center? What will the effects of surface temperature on the ocean in this region have on the storm's momentum? Will that beam fail under that stress? All of this has become possible due to the analytic tool of particle analysis.

While not reduced to a pleasant display on a CRT -- isn't it increasingly evident that the introduction of Islamic particles into any system inevitably results in degradation, chaos and upheaval? Isn't it also clear that, when viewed as a coalition of random seeming independently motivated particles, that Muslims in the collective consistently and spontaneously organize themselves into predictable patterns of militant separatism, militant rage, militant demands for non-muslims to change and accommodate Islam, universal rejection of the notion that Islam is implicated in terrorism, universal victimhood, and universal indictments against non-Muslims for all manner of supposed crimes? Corollaries of this spontaneous organization also include the riots, the endless furious denunciations on our Media, the strapping on of bombs, the chopping off of heads, the snipping of clitorises with broken shards of glass and scissors, the bagging up of women, the dehumanization of 'the other', the silencing of resistors, the murdering of disbelievers, and the desire and efforts for the subjugation of all under Muhammad's merciless iron fist.

It is calamity to continue the charade of allowing this demented ideology to persist in our homelands. We must not be mesmerized by the horror the Islamic particle animation before us. Wherever Muslims organize themselves they must be stopped to avoid these horrible formations. In Mosques and Prisons they must be stopped. In "Islamic Community Centers" and "Islamic Schools" they must be stopped. Across our land in ever increasing formations, Muslims are coalescing to subvert and destroy everything we've created...

The smoke and despair billowing wherever Muslims rear their heads must be understood for what it is. This is Islam's trajectory - this is Islam's pattern - this is how Islam consistently organizes itself, whether in Communist China or Kleptocratic Russia, whether in the Secular Tolerant West, or Hindu India, Socialist Canada or far flung Australia, the result is generally the same. In sufficient numbers (far less than a plurality in our democracies), Muslims prove again and again that they are capable and eager to digest and then spew forth Islam's waste products, which itself is then infested with more Islamic spores, more particles of horror, more agents of destruction.

Sorry but I disagree.

You assume that the Muslim communities will breed into ad nauseum when the fact is that western people are turning to right wing governments.

“Muslims prove again and again that they are capable and eager to digest and then spew forth Islam's waste products, which itself is then infested with more Islamic spores, more particles of horror, more agents of destruction.”

Imagine you’re a bisexual BBC correspondent from an ethnic minority who has spent too many years in the Gaza Strip and as become practically native.

Then imagine that Sharia law is looking imminent in Britain. Say you’re a Muslim woman.

Soon your love for the poor Palestine is going to see you lined up and shot before the football match at Wembley. Unlike the stadium at Kabul the locals won’t turn up and cheer, unless they are forced at the point of an AK47.

I fear you are expecting that our entire country is going to lie back and think of England when the reality is that the next Conservative government as already stated twice that there will never be Sharia law in Britain.

And don’t believe for a second that the Conservatives are going to spend eternity in opposition. Blair is a joke and most English hate Brown because the bastard is a high tax thief. Plus Brown is a non runner for English nationalists.

52% of Scots want to be independent. 59% of the English want Scotland to be independent. Brown can only hold power if the union holds.

Labour as took its power base from Scotland and Wales. The day that we break up the union is the day that Labour and the left lose the power base of England.

Good news if you ask me.

The most common name in several Western countries today is "Mohammad".

Posted by: americaningermany

I just looked this up on wikipedia and there isnt a SINGLE arabic sounding name in the top 10 names of ANY european country as of 2005

Do you just make this stuff up?

My Brothers little lad is called Joseph. But there is a Jordan and a Cameron in his class.

Amazing to believe that the vast majority of the populationis nt Muslim!

Have you noticed that when the BBC report from a school,its always one with a large majority of immigrants.

The most common name in several Western countries today is "Mohammad".

Posted by: americaningermany

Can't really see these selling fast?.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/krisen.jpg

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450600,00.html

Councillor Mahbubur Rahman, a practising Muslim, backed the ban. He said: “It’s a tolerance of people’s beliefs.”

Erm.

Hypocrites.

"the reality is that the next Conservative government as already stated twice that there will never be Sharia law in Britain"

Do you really have that much faith in a party led by David Cameron, who seems to be aping New Labour, just as much as New Labour aped the Thatcherite Conservatives? I would have thought that true patriots are appalled by Cameron and the direction he is leading the Conservatives. The rot will only stop when politicians have their backs to the wall, and by then it may be too late (as it nearly was in the Britain of the nineteen-thirties). Unless there's a Winston Churchill out there biding his time ...

The most common name in several Western countries today is "Mohammad".
Posted by: americaningermany

I just looked this up on wikipedia and there isnt a SINGLE arabic sounding name in the top 10 names of ANY european country as of 2005
Do you just make this stuff up?
Posted by: BlowHammed

There was a news article about Mohammed becoming the most popular name for a baby boy in the UK a couple of years ago. I can’t find the article ore any reference to Mohammed being the most popular name but here’s a list of the most popular boy’s names in the UK

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/naming/topnames2005/#6

At first glance it’s not that popular, but continue to look through the list and you’ll see:

23 Mohammed
56 Muhammad
70 Mohammad

The statistic that Mohammed is the most popular baby boy’s name in the UK probably came from adding the three spellings together. Also the name seems to have declined in popularity since 2004 (when I saw the article) when it was in the top 20:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4148335.stm

Like good dhimmis we ignore that the three spellings are essentially the same name to avoid the public becoming alarmed by the rate of occupation.

Following on from my post above here's confirmation that Mohammed is the most popular name in the UK when you combine all spellings:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0114/p01s04-woeu.html

How about banning Islam?

In any case, I think there will be a point, after France is lost, that people will just say, "Dude, you're alright, but...get the hell out of my country. You are NOT a victim, so quit acting like it." Islam and the West will never mix.

Every day more and more join our ranks, getting through the shrouds of lies and deceit. The fact that Mark Steyn's America Alone sold so many books tells me two things: people aren't as dumb as the media gives them credit for, and that people are starting to understand that this threat is real.

Mert:

"You assume that the Muslim communities will breed into ad nauseum when the fact is that western people are turning to right wing governments."

What does that mean? It's nonsensical. Muslims ARE outbreeding us, and their median age is much LOWER than ours too.

How do you think the British managed to comquer the world? Their advances in science greatly reduced the infant mortality rate and they were fecund, so they had the manpower to go everywhere and establish colonial outposts.

BTW, Wikipedia is not a definitive source. Many of its contents are questionably biased.

So, around 18% of the population of the UK's largest prison is moslem.

Around 2.5% to 3% of the population of the UK is moslem.

Does anyone else notice the discrepancy in the numbers here. I do hope so!

"The Home Office employs 23 full-time and 12 part-time imams to serve over 4,000 Muslim prisoners in the UK [my note - over 9% of the total prison population in the UK: do you see anything strange about the numbers, here?]. Islam is now the second biggest religious group in British jails."
(From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4727723.stm )

And from the same article: "And two prison imams were suspended after 11 September 2001 for making "inappropriate" remarks about the US. But imams, academics and the government strongly refute the suggestion that imams could be partly to blame for any radicalisation. Imams are there not only to look after the welfare and religious needs of Muslim prisoners, but also to help them to rehabilitate" (My bold emphasis.)

"Asim Hafiz, imam of Wandsworth prison, said imams are not extreme and they oppose any kind of violence." Really, since when?

Let me, if you have the time, enlighten you further:
"...the number of Muslim prisoners has risen sixfold over the past 15 years. With more than 4,000 such inmates they make up 70 per cent of prisoners from minority groups. They are mostly of Pakistani descent, and the relative absence of people of subcontinental origin who follow other religions is equally striking."
From: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-1713671,00.html

From the same article:
"The same phenomenon has been noticed in France, where a much higher proportion of the prison population — rising to as much as 60 per cent — is Muslim. The prisoners do not pray or keep Ramadan, or perform any other religious duties. Like their white and black counterparts, they are interested in sex, drugs and rock’n’roll. Their one difference is that, thanks to their cultural inheritance, their abuse of women is systematic rather than unsystematic as it is with the whites and blacks. And that is the way they intend to keep it, for it is a very gratifying system to them."

(Theodore Dalrymple, the author of the article from which I have drawn the last two quotes, by-the-way, is a recently retired prison doctor and the entire article is very much worth reading, in my opinion.

"The UK's almost two million Muslims appear to be nearly three times over-represented in prisons."
From:
http://www.esrc.ac.uk/ESRCInfoCentre/Plain_English_Summaries/environment/human_activities/index314.aspx?ComponentId=9854&SourcePageId=11699

and, by-the-way, that site says that there over 5,500 moslem criminal prisoners in the UK - i.e. over 12% of all criminals in prison from a group that is only, at the wildest exageration, only 3% of the population! Well, really!

Oh, and as an added extra, 8% of all murders in UK gaols are committed by moslems. See (and work out the figures for yourself from this dhimmi and deliberately obfuscating document): http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr4604.pdf

Do I have to say anything more or do you all, as I expect, see what I am driving at here?

Dominic.

Have you noticed that a lot of these articles start "potentially explosive."

Let it explode. Start deporting these guys. Put them on no fly lists. Do the basics. They don't get treated this well in France.

Do it like we did Alcatraz(sp) No Talking. Ever.
These guys are prisoners. Inhumane treatment never. These English prisoners are loving it. Believe me they wouldn't like to be in a Paki prison.

And so it goes in England.

I am so angry here, so please bear with me. I posted in my last post (above) a quote from the imam for Wandsworth Prison - Asim Hafiz - a quote in which he denied that imams are preaching violence and hatred for the west and for the society in which they now live. My father 'phoned me immediately and pointed me at imam Asim Hafiz's own site and, in particular, this quote from that site:

"We have been lead astray from the good moral characteristics of the Muslims and have been made to wear the costume of the west. In the manner that we eat we imitate the west, in the way we sleep we imitate the west, even the way we walk and talk we imitate the west. Our whole life has been intoxicated with the western lifestyle which makes shaytaan, our accursed enemy overjoyed."
From:
http://www.inter-islam.org/Lifestyle/sccs.htm

My father, and now my eldest brother who has just 'phoned me, has also pointed out that imam Asim Hafiz - who so obviously hates the west - is the "appointed Muslim Chaplain to the [UK] Military"
From:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/raflintononouse/news_06_71.html
and:
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.4920
and (follow the links down the site):
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/news_0610_reg.html

Moderate moslem, my arse! Are our intelligence services - in this case our military intelligence services - incapable of using the internet? It would appear so!

And, what is worse, this apology for a human being is being allowed onto some of the most sensitive military bases in the UK. Have we gone quite mad?

Dominic.

Oh, and remember, this turbulent imam is a follower of Sheikhul Hadith Maulana Islamul Haq who once, from his home in England (more fool us), preached that the English are an accursed race and that they should be destroyed, whilst maintaining that islam is a religion of knowledge!

Stuff that!

Dominic.

I just looked this up on wikipedia and there isnt a SINGLE arabic sounding name in the top 10 names of ANY european country as of 2005

Do you just make this stuff up?

Posted by: BlowHammed

Just to confirm that this boys called Mohammed story has been reported several times on the MSM in the UK over the past few years. On the BBC and in The Times to name but two, the general line taken is "Isn’t it wonderful that we are such a multi-cultural society"

Since Muslims deny that "real" Muslims act in such criminal ways, why do they need a mosque ?

Islam is fatalistic without a doctrine of repentance so why do they need a mosque ?

Since a mosque is not a purely religious place like a church, and can be used as an arms store and for many other purposes, why should there be any such thing in a prison ?

When hospitals are firing chaplains to save money, should the taxpayer be funding imams in prisons ?

Why are so many Muslims in prison ? what are the most common offences for which they are jailed - credit card fraud ?

But the report also highlighted the inadequate prayer facilities inside Britain's largest jail, which houses 1,451 prisoners.
Currently Muslims have to walk through the Christian chapel to reach their place of worship, "exacerbating at times inherent tension".
The facilities are struggling to cope with a recent surge in Muslim inmates at the prison, which is home to 73 different nationalities.
More than 200 people are thought to regularly attend Friday prayers in the sports hall, while 240 took part in the recent Eid meal.

Hey.. 73 countries to DEPORT them to!! Why is all of this so damn DIFFICULT to figure out?! Criminal moslems should be sent HOME. Period.

David Cameron is the smiling party leader designed to tempt the middle classes from voting Labour.

David Davis, who lost his campaign against Cameron for the leadership of the party, is a northern lad who managed to get into the TA 23 SAS before he took up a career in politics. He has said twice that Sharia has no place in British politics. Not just the core Tory supporters, but the entire bloody country will back him on that.

Really, it’s difficult for the Tories to come out with any policy, because Labour will steal it if they think it is a vote winner, like they did with the tax break that the Cameron proposed for the army that is now law.

Until the next election we will not know what the Conservatives really stand for. But crap, anything they have to say as to be an improvement on the current rabble who believe, wrongly that they are capable of running a chip shop, never mind UK Plc.

I say forget the Cameron effect because it’s not aimed at me. I already know the Arabs are trying to take over the world. That’s why Davis has said twice that Sharia as no place here.

The Tories are finally pushing for tighter border controls, and while they are publicly supporting the union, they must be thinking privately that devolution will hand England, the power house of the UK to them on a plate.