1st Muslim congressman thrills crowd in Dearborn

How blatant is this?

And will anyone pay it the slightest bit of attention?

This guy is a fraud; he says out of one side of mouth that the only document that matters in this country is US constitution. Then he is in bed with Islamics who preach the overthrow of that very document.
We can only hope that we wake up as a country and a society before it is too late.

Ask him to denounce the bigoted and intolerant verses in the Koran.

Wvinter List

"O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54"

Is there any verse in the Koran that uses explicitlly one of the words Jew, Jews, Christian or Christians and is positive?

Faith Freedom List

Koran on topics like amputation, tolerance, etc.

Koran indexed

Koran index

Koran Index

Christians and Jews are two items in the index. Each entry is linked to that verse.

It seems that the masses of people have a satanic cloud decieving them. They can not even see the enemy within, it's like everyone is blind. 9/11 meant nothing, people woke up for about a year and then went back to bed. Good I hope America and the UK who blindingly change for political correctness find out the hard way. But I guess it's the people who will suffer not the politicians.
Remember for the future Christian Tribulaton saints to become saints they will have to be beheaded by some type of future system, and for it to work you need a satanic willing army in every city and town to accomplish this. Are the seeds of fullfilment growing? Who knows but the template looks like its fitting the picture.
As hard as one trys to be PC about things there is no denying there is a problem and you can not hide by giving a name to an enemy as today it is like being called a racist if you do.

And so it begins. The enemy within takes it's first steps in the subugation of America. Expect a lot more of this.

The election of Keith Ellison contributed to a substantial degree in my recent choice to begin blogging full-time.

Thanks, Congressman.

Foehammer's Anvil v2.0 coming soon....

What part of the Islamic belief system can instruct freedom-loving non-believers on "tolerance and justice"?

The debate over Congressman Goode’s remarks bring to mind a simple political truth reinforced by events of the decade just past, i.e., the principles of a truly free society require toleration of the tolerant, but demand that intolerance be shown toward those who not only reject free society's values but eagerly await the day of their downfall.

From its earliest beginnings, Islam has demonstrated that it is not a religion of tolerance. Furthermore, as both a religion and government, this lack of tolerance is woven into the full spectrum of the Islamic belief system. One critical element for this institutionalized intolerance is the Qur’an.

Absent meaningful reform, the Qur'an will remain a symbol of intolerance and, thus, incompatible with the Constitution(as Robert points out in his post).

It is, therfore, entirely appropriate to question Mr. Ellison's judgment to carry the Qur’an while pledging to “uphold and defend” the laws of our land.

ohara

Alex asks:

And will anyone pay it the slightest bit of attention?

Apparently not. Compare this watered-down AP version of the events with the DFP report that Robert linked to.

Not one mention of the crowd's "Allahu akbar" chants.

Ummah News Links

"But Ellison said in Dearborn that Muslims can help teach America about justice and equal protection..."

God, Is this man serious? How are Muslims going to teach America about justice and equal protection, when they haven't managed to teach these principles to anyone in the Islamic world?
This is just another example of how Islam turns words up side down -- justice is injustice, good is evil, immoral is moral.
God help us and any society that takes instructions from Muslims on what constitues justice and morality.

rational: Ellison is mastering "turnspeak" quite well.

Wonderful, just wonderful!!

He's calling for justice. When he also starts calling for TRUTH and justice, we're really screwed.

Somebody needs to follow his money trail. If the mosques have contributed, then their tax-exempt status needs to be revoked. Other contributors need to be identified and carefully watched.

And the war goes on.

"On Jan. 4, I will go swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. I'll place my hand on the Quran..."
-- from a remark by Keith Ellison quoted above

Whether or not the Qur'an is actually used in the ceremony hardly matters. What matters is that Keith Ellison believes -- with the firm faith of the convert, a faith much more firm and often much more fanatical than many a Muslim born into Islam -- that the Qur'an is the uncreated and immutable Word of God. And that Qur'an is full of things about the duty of Jihad, about the duty of behaving toward all non-Muslims with at least ("do not take Christians ad Jews as friends" etc.) and at most sheer murderousness ("kill the Unbelievers" etc.). How does someone who claims that he believes in a faith that is more than a faith, that is an entire way of life, a Total Regulation of Life, a Complete Explanation of the Universe, a way of life that tells its adherents that they must always and everywhere be submissive, acquire if they do not already possess the habit of mental submission, to Allah, and never to use their own reason to question his will or for that matter his whim.

How does a Muslim, who if he is a real Muslim must locate political legitimacy can never reside in the expressed will of mere mortals, but only in the will expressed by Allah in the Qur'an (and as glossed by the Hadith and the Sira) manage to support the political and legal institutions of this or any Infidel country, especially one that so noisily makes a fetish of democracy and that expressed will of the people, and enshrines individual rights not one of which -- freedom of speech including that of mocking any and all belief-systems, legal equality of men and women, and of all religions ("Islam is to dominate, and not to be dominated")

Is Keith Ellison a real Muslim? Does he believe that "Islam is to dominate and is not to be dominated"? Does he take Muhammad as the Perfect Man, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil, and so he therefore endorses the attack on the Khaybar Oasis, the murders of Abu Akaf and Asma bint Marwan, the consummation of that "marriage" to little Aisha, aged nine, and the beheading of the bound prisoners of the Banu Qurayza, and so much more? Either he does, or he doesn't. Either he is loyal to the American Constitution, or he is loyal to Islam, which in every important particular flatly contradicts both the spirit and letter of the American Constitution, as it does the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Is there not a single reporter in all of the United States -- or especially in the state of Minnesota -- who will not look into this, study it, find out what Islam teaches, find out why the Muslim states instead of becoming signatories to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights instead concocted a Muslim version that leaves out all of the most important individual rights recognized in the full, real, Infidel version?

Put Ellison on the spot. Ask him about all that. Ask what he thinks is the source of political legitimacy for governments -- any government. Ask what he thinks of the specific rights in the Bill of Rights. Ask what he thinks, while you are at it, about the Arab Muslim treatement of black African Musliims in Darfur, or of other non-Arabs, such as the Kurds in Iraq, or the Berbers in Algeria. Ask him, and keep asking him, until an answer is received.

Keith Ellison said

You can't back down, you can't chicken out, you can't be afraid, you got to have faith in Allah, and you got to stand up and be a real Muslim

Couldn't he be arrested for inciting violence, per Qur'an 2:191, 2:216, 7:4, 8:12, 8:39, etc. etc. etc.?

Qur'an 2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers

Qur'an 2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

Qur'an 7:4 How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.

Qur'an 8:12 I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

Qur'an 8:39 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.

etc. etc. etc.

It just seems like an open and shut case to me... Since Islam is in conflict with the Constitution of the United States. Even Judge Roy Moore agrees that Keith Ellison cannot honestly say that he upholds the Constitution, since he is implying that the Qur'an trumps the Constitution.

According to Aafar Sheikh Idris, founder and chairman of American Open University, “Islam cannot be separated from the state,” and that no Muslim elected to Congress or the White House can swear to uphold the United States Constitution and still be a Muslim, because the law of Allah as expressed in the Quran is supreme.

Also, The U.S. Constitution states, “Each House [of Congress] shall be the judge … of the qualifications of its own members.”

According to Judge Moore and others, enough evidence already exists for Congress to question Ellison’s worthiness to be a member of Congress, as well as his conflicting ability to uphold the Constitution in view of his expressed resoluteness to embrace the Quran and an Islamic philosophy which has been deemed by its higher members to be contrary to the United States Constitution.

Also, unless I am mistaken, we are in the midst of a war with Islamic terrorists. Do you really think that we should place someone in Congress who shares the views of radical Islamists? After all, even though he is trying to distance himself from the Nation of Islam, Ellison cannot honestly say that he didn't understand what they were all about... After all, even I, a non-Muslim knew what they were all about, loooooong before they marched on Washington, and I do not presume to think that Keith Ellison is a stupid fool, who was just ignorant of the facts and stated goals of the nation of Islam.

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

But Ellison said in Dearborn that Muslims can help teach America about justice and equal protection, suggesting that Muslim activists may be part of God's plan.
what justice and equal protection. We just have to look at our friend or rather, our so called friend Saudi Arabia and see how Muslims protect minorities and practice justice under sharia law. Where women who have been raped are lashed and if you are married are stoned to death for adultery and their rapist walk free, where it's someone asks you about Christianity. Are you try to set up a church or her circle in your home. You can be arrested, where Bibles are confiscated and Muslims use them for toilet paper something they would not do this to their cults book the Koran. Where, if you're not of them i.e. Muslim you have to pay protection money. After four months or be killed. This is Congressman Ellison's idea of how to teach Americans about justice and equal protection that right. Only if we all embrace Islam no thank you, I will remain a follower of George Fox

Anybody want to start a pool on how many days till he starts demanding that everyone call him by his muslim name?

JLP

I should like to inform Mr. Ellison that my copy of the Constitution never had any dust on it.

Let us hope his remarks cause people to pick up the Qur'an and "actually read it".

Ellison should be asked if the Koran is bigoted.

Ellison should be asked if a text is judged bigoted based on its most bigoted sentence or thought. Ask him if Paul Begala didn't do that to Virgil Goode on CNN and force Bay Buchanan, Pat's sister to denounce Goode's letter, and avoid his own history from 1992 onwards in using immigration as a wedge issue to get Clinton elected instead of "providing for the common defense".

Every Democrat who comes on TV should be asked this. Republicans should ask it themselves.

Republicans going on TV should take the above list of references, the Thomas Jefferson statement on Islam, bin Laden Fatwa 1998, the Danish Cartoons, and the faith freedom gallery of photos. Ask to show them all.

TJ Barbary Pirates at LOC

Faith Freedom Gallery of Sharia Law amputations, etc.

Verse of the Sword

quote

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them . Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

end quote

Intolerant Verses

NR on TJ Barbary Pirates with quote

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Ambassador Adja answered them, as they reported to the Continental Congress, “that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found , and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

end quote
bin Laden 1998 Fatwa

quote

Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it ,

end quote.

They should point out that the Koran, Ambassador Adja to TJ, and the 1998 bin Laden Fatwa are all the same. The TJ quote summarizes every key element. TJ had a Koran and understood religious intolerance. TJ had already written the Declaration of Independence so he knew about listing reasons to justify war against a nation. The TJ quote summarizes every key element, he was the Robert Spencer of his day.

How on earth can any of his non muslim constituents have any confidence in him representing their views?

Ellison: "On Jan. 4, I will go swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. I'll place my hand on the Quran..."

I consider Ellison's use of the Koran in that venue, in that way, as an unforgivable insult to our heritage and to our forebears, and a declaration of war on our country, our communities, and our families.

Somehow, I don't think the Qur'an and the Constitution of the United States are compatible. Just a hunch.

Also, I know Ellison has been interviewed several times on television recently. Has anyone asked him whether he thinks Israel has a right to exist? In fact, has anyone in the media asked him any questions about the teachings of the Qur'an and possible conflicts with the Constitution?

Ellison said in Dearborn that Muslims can help teach America about justice and equal protection

Just as the Janjaweed militia is teaching the residents of Darfur about Islamic "justice" and "equal protection".

Just as the Chechyans taught the Russian school children at Beslan.

Just as Mohammad, uswa hasana, taught the sleepy residents of Kaibar.

The lesson has been learned, school is soon to be let out.

Is it just me or do we seem to be slowly inching toward Britain's problems?

I would like to see Mr. Spencer write a book like: Can a Muslim uphold the Constitution: Islam Jurisprudence and the U.S. Constitution. A chapter by chapter comparison of the juriprudence of Islam compared with the U. S. Constitution and jurisprudence of the United States....before the next election. Let's get this out on the table...that Islamic Laws/Worldview and the resulting Islamic jurisprudence are completely incompatible with the U.S. Constitution, allegiance to the secular government of the U.S.

Politicians and others who go on TV must script out an attack like a football coach. In fact, like Begala was your adviser, because that's what Begala did to Bay Buchanan.

The pre-emptive attack is that they use the word bigot to cover up their failure "to provide for the common defense."

They should have responded to the warnings from the 1979 hostage taking to now. See

Complete 9-11 Timeline

(they are desperately in need of cash and have a 10,000 dollar matching grant to the end of December. You can also order a CD that has 9-11 Families and Paul Thompson explaing the 9-11 Commission only disclosed what the families already knew)

To summarize:

The politicians and MSM had warnings from 1979 on, really from the 18th century on, and before.

Each of those warnings was disregarded because it was bigoted to do anything.

Whether it was FBI agents at the field level, or public events like embassy bombings or the WTC 1993 attacks, the establishment used the word bigot to justify every act of their failure and to silence their critics.

Bigot = Stifle.

They all used this. Begala with Bay Buchanan on Virgil Goode, Bush in religion of peace speech, Peter Jennings on 9-11, the 9-11 Commission, etc. All use the word bigot to avoid telling the truth and to avoid blame.

Bigot is their coverup word.

That's the script. Politicians have to have this down like a football play. That is what Begala had ready for Bay Buchanan on Virgil Goode. Begala scripted out calling Goode a bigot. He scripts out TV debates in advance. Its his business.

Our side has to be just as ready and just as prepared to launch its attack. If you go in without an attack, you will be forced to ritually denounce Goode, Pat Buchanan, America in that order. You have to have your own attack and just launch it, whatever the question is.

Oh fabulous (don't let my sarcasm drip all over y'all). Just what we need in this country - another yahoo playing to a crowd of self-professed "victims" and promising them intractable victimhood forever. He and Al Sharpton must be best friends.

This is the problem with converts. Not only do they dive in whole hog into (mostly) the cultural aspects of whatever religion they're converting to (go native) but they also don't understand what it really means to live in that culture. When you live in the US, it's easy to harbour delusions of a utopia where Islamism (or whatever the "ism" du jour is) solves all the world's problems. If Ellison or Hooper actually had to live in an Islamic society, they would move heavan and earth and risk life and limb to get out. Converts can be very scary.

What an asshole.

We're going to continue to face them," Ellison said. "They're not going to stop right away. But if you, and me too, stick together, if we believe in Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, if we turn to the Quran for guidance blah blah blaaah…
--- Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn.

How on earth can any of his non muslim constituents have any confidence in him representing their views?
--- Celcius

Sitting smack in the middle of the 6th Congressional District as I type, rest assured that confidence is sky high among his non-Somali constituents here, pious even.

The feeling up here is a warm one. Keith is a victim, a survivor, a fighter who wouldn’t take it any more and slugged his way into his own personal Mr. Smith Goes to Washington dream. No longer exploited, trampled, or down by law, Keith-the-underdog is the just the fellow to upgrade politcal discourse and understanding in ouir great nation.

* 2:216 * 4:74 * 9:111 * 8:12 * 4:96 * 56:22 * 38:51 * 55:56 * 55:76 * 56:22 * 8:74 * 9:2 *

In reality, Keith was given an undeserved scholarship because he's Afro-American to the Jesuit rich kid’s school in the Detroit area, and subsequently was given undeserved admission to U of MN Law School based on the racist reverse discrimination statute dictated by the U.S. Supreme Court.

In other words, Keith is an ingrate and the surgeons and stockbrokers and trust fund babies living in their inner-city mansions on Lake of the Isles and Dean Parkway just love him. They couldn’t be happier with themselves, or Keith.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

Do not doubt Keith’s credentials as a Mohammedan. For example, Keith boldly led the opposition in the Minnesota House against requiring school districts and libraries to install blocking software to stop porno from their networks. This is a man who understands 33:21 and all the gusto it brings our culture.

To pols or others following above script to have your own attack ready. They will say to you, you are attacking Islam.

Response: Islam is an idea. You can criticize an idea. Then you ask them to denounce the Verse of the Sword, 9:5. You immediately go to that.

If you can't say, yes, I am criticizing Islam, then just pop back and ask them to denounce the Verse of the Sword 9:5. Have the name and the number memorized. That's the single verse of the Koran for you to know.

If they say its abrogated by other verses, you say no its not, it abrogates other verses.

This is the heart of the battle, so know it.

You say its what Thomas Jefferson said and that he owned a Koran as a young man.

Jefferson bought Koran in 1765

Thomas Jefferson Koran Sale

If you want, when they say, you are attacking Islam, you say, Bertrand Russell wrote, "Why I am not a Christian", and if he can criticize Christianity, I can criticize Islam.

"You can't back down, you can't chicken out, you can't be afraid, you got to have faith in Allah, and you got to stand up and be a real Muslim," Detroit native Keith Ellison said to loud applause. (*

Wow... that is a call for Muslims to charge head on against the rest of us! The way I read it he has called for war on us. Real Muslim is a pretty dangerous Muslim.

OK, I got it, I will keep my gun loaded incase a real Muslim try to prove that Islam means 'peace'... I wonder whose peace are they referring to?

One final point to pols, Verse of the Sword is your mantra phrase like bigot is theirs.

Whenever you get in a bind, you just say Verse of the Sword. Just like they say bigot when they don't know what to say, you say Verse of the Sword.

It doesn't have to be a complete sentence or even a thought. They say, you are attacking Islam, you are nervous, you just say Verse of the Sword and then something else, like do you accept that.

Practice this as your safety. Whenever you are asked to denounce you ask them first to denounce the Verse of the Sword. This should come out of your mouth as fast as the word bigot comes out of theirs.

How they try to trip you up on Verse of the Sword, 9:5.

Its from the 9th chapter, but this is the second to last in time it was "revealed" to Muhammed.

Koran in Chrono Order

Spencer on verse of the Sword and abrogation

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In fact, abrogation (naskh) is not a tenth-century innovation. It is based on the Qur’an itself: “Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?” (Sura 2:106).

end quote

Abrogation is in the Koran. The verse of the Sword is in chapter 9, but that is the second to last chapter. The Verse of the Sword abrogates all the peaceful statements in every chapter of the Koran before it.

Verse of the Sword is from Medina. That is when Muhammed had power. It was in Mecca that Muhammed was weak and had to talk tolerance. Then he abrogates that in Medina.

Chapter 2 is from the Medina period. In fact,

chapter 2 is the first chapter from Medina.

The first thing Muhammed did when he got power in Medina in 622 AD was abrogate the peaceful things he said in Mecca when he was powerless. He escaped from Mecca, came to power in 622 AD in Medina, and he immediately declared his doctrine of abrogation. Then he issues intolerant bigoted verses to get even with Jews, Christians, apostates, and to frighten his supporters from apostasy or not obeying him.

If they say the Pope got that mixed up, you say this is not what the Pope was quoting, that was about something else, compulsion in religion.

Does anyone here know the link to a site related to something sounding like 'How to defend yourself against Islamic c..r..a...p' .. I read it once, and I've forgotten the exact title?

There is a war between democracy and excellence going on. If democracy wins, it will quickly disappear. I do not want democracy to win; I want it to stick around.

From an article in the Weekly Standard regarding immigration of Muslims streaming into Europe from Africa: Meanwhile, Yahya Jammeh, who in September was re-elected president of neighboring Gambia (“for the next 40 years,” as he put it), is closer to the mood of the African public. This fall, he told the Senegalese daily Walf Fadjri, “Nothing can stop illegal immigration… This country only got its independence from Great Britian 41 years ago. To compensate for the exploitation to which our population were subjected, our young people have the right to stay in Great Britian for the next 359 years.

Something tells me that these new voters will support people like Ellison, who in turn will vote to punish the productive through more taxes and regulation. The productive can re-locate just as shipping companies fly Liberian flags. But before democracy finishes its victory lap, it will be replaced with fascism.

Ellison needs to be careful about what he wishes for. The rest of us need to be good Citizens and get involved if the freedoms of the West are to be preserved. We need to make judgements and learn to say no.

(long story short; but a small green citrus has just turned into a small square candy)

Damn! We're in deep doo doo!

AlL Muslims take the shahada which means they repeat in the presence of a witness - "there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet" By that phrase, they accept the totality of Islam and Muhammad's message - and that means violence against nonbelievers, inequality of men and women, oppression of nonbelievers.

Additionally, they accept the muslim belief that loyalty in the umma and shariya trumps loyalty to their state of residence if non-muslim, (or insufficiently "muslim") and trumps loyalty to the states non-shariya law - all this is basic Islamic jurisprudence. They accept the muslim belief that they are subject to the death penalty if they try to leave the umma.

Since they swore allegiance to, and acquired "citizenship" in a political entity that is at war with the US (by Islam's own doctrine, the umma is at war with the US and the othe non-believers, and also in reality, thousands of non-muslims killed by it's members) and attempting to overthrow the US government, (and in fact having succesfully overthrown non-muslim governments such as in areas of former Yugoslavia, or historically over virtually the whole southern Mediterranean coast) the legitimacy of their US citizenship should be an open question.

Old Atlantic - go with 9:29 instead. Also, I can't believe I haven't seen one person ask Ellison what he thinks about Sharia law (he has acknowledged to Wolf Blitzer that he condemns terrorism) and how he would feel about Sharia law eventually replacing our constitution as long as this was accomplished in a democratic manner. As far as Goode's comments about immigration go, those attacking him as a bigot should be asked how it is bigoted for unbelievers to want to prevent the bigotry of Islamic law (which reduces unbelievers to a permanent, bigoted 2nd class status) from being enshrined into our laws, even if this is accomplished demographically/democratically and not through violence.

. . . of course, the only way to stop this--Islamization of the United States--is to make the ideology illegal.

Islam must be stripped of it protective disguise of "religion."

This will require an organized effort--as someone here has proposed already.

It now appears to be an uphill battle. If we do not fight, however--and win this battle--we will lose the war.

And if we lose the war, we lose everything that we value.

So, how to start?

Caroline, 9:29 is a good one to fit with Jefferson and Barbary Pirates.

quote

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

end quote

You're other points are good as well.

Fjordman on Malmo

We can either be covered in the word bigot or covered in blood. Its our choice, but the time to choose is now.

"But Ellison said in Dearborn that Muslims can help teach America about justice and equal protection"

Please! Please! Please! Would some interviewer please have the guts to ask Mr. Ellison what Islamic nation we should model ourselves after to achieve the justice and equal protection he thinks we so desperately need?
He has about 52 nations to choose from. as Islamic socities, they should all be paragons of virtue, justice and equal protection, but just one will do.

unicorns62000 said

Islam must be stripped of it protective disguise of "religion." [...] So, how to start?

By ensuring that Westerners learn and understand what the Qur'an and the hadith actually teach. Those who are still defending Islam in the name of being PC or "religiously tolerant" (what could be more ironic than Christians and Jews fighting to protect the rights of Muslims ... to attack and persecute and subjegate Christians and Muslims?) need to understand exactly what it is that they are defending. They need to understand in what ways Islam is different from Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrionism, and the rest. Islam is special, Islam is unique. To those who ask "How is it different?", begin your quest here. It's all there, for everyone to see.

Oops, Freudian slip. I said:

(what could be more ironic than Christians and Jews fighting to protect the rights of Muslims ... to attack and persecute and subjegate Christians and Muslims?)

Of course I meant "Christians and Jews", but Muslims have no problem attacking and persecuting and subjegating other Muslims (those who are not "Muslim-enough" for whatever reason), so the quote actually still works as is.

Off topic:

Islamic superheroes, THE 99

Ummah News Links

info@keithellison.org

“We showed that we are stronger when we build bridges between communities rather than trying to divide and conquer.”

So I am sure that you disagree with the Saudi attitude towards Christianity and the persecution of non Muslims that is rife across the Middle East and Africa amongst many other places. Surely you agree that what is good for the goose is good for the gander?

I will be keeping my ear firmly to the ground so I don’t miss your condemnation of this recent Islamic drive for world domination.

You see the race and religion door swings both ways. You can’t persecute a people and then expect them to build bridges with you. That’s called bullying.

You can’t blow up airplanes and then cry foul when people become worried about flying and demand tougher security. If little old Jewish ladies were trying to detonate airplanes or ram tall buildings then I am sure the public would demand the thorough investigation of all little old ladies boarding flights. That is called common sense.

You’re a politician Mr Ellison. Did you swear on that book because it’s your book, or because you were making a statement?

My dad says the soldiers in Iraq don’t like you very much. I wonder why?

Ellison should be judged on his voting record and participation on any committees. It will be very easy to see where Ellison stands on many issues, shortly.

"To those who ask "How is it different?", begin your quest here. It's all there, for everyone to see."

Thanks for the link, Special Guest. I wandered around the site for awhile and it's a perfect Mad Hatter's tea party of a place.

I agree that our best weapon would be education. The problem is that real education has not been one of our strong points for over a generation.

I don't believe that the majority of Americans can be "educated". I do believe they can be sold.

Selling a lie is easy. We need a way to sell the truth.

Ellison said: "You can't back down, you can't chicken out, you can't be afraid, you got to have faith in Allah"

Back down from what? Chicken out from what? Such questions posed as these infer backing down from some intended act or mission. What is the intended act or mission to back down from? Back down from what?, the status quo, living peacefully in the west? I wonder?

and "you got to stand up and be a real Muslim," What? he is not addressing real Muslims living in America with all it's bounty and freedom? Who are the "real Muslims"? Perhaps they are the ones overseas in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Hezbullah maybe?, Hamas? Al Queda? Who? I wonder?

Ellison is abd, abed, abed
and tap dances to the arabs tune.
He's a NOI goon
and worships the moon god,
the arabian god of war.
All his dreams of sex, money and power
will now flower in his newly won post.

But abed, abed, Ellison abed,
will soon be a hungry ghost
and leave the human realm,
for he made him self a willing slave
to hatred and horror and death,
unspeakable acts against humanity
made sacred, the essence of evil.
He is an ungrateful coward
who spits on the blood
shed for his freedom,
the blood of my kin
in the land of the free
and the home of the brave.
He is unfit to sit at the table of humanity
must less to serve the common good.
It is sheer insantity that this fool
was elected to congress in my Country!
but abed will see, abed will never know
what it is to be Free, really Free.

Maybe I am wrong but did not America go to war with Iraq to bring democracy and stability there? Whist at the same time the West is whole-heartedly embracing Islamic cultured people like they are looking for a democracy, which is not their agenda. Something is wrong here, is a moderate Muslim a democratic Muslim? or are they part of a sleeping dragon that once it's grows it devours the system and it's surrounding too.

Since when has an Islamic movement or majority ever asked for democracy and embraced minorities it it’s system without persecution and equal rights? I have not seen one Islamic movement, organisation or person saying 'WE ARE A DEMOCRATIC ISLAMIC GROUP' not one that I know of exists. If there are please update me.
Chances are you will never find one because democracy and Islam does not exist and when the Dragon grows it will boot the host nation or people out like a bird that grows first from a nest and throws it's brothers and sister unborn eggs out of the nest.

Sorry to offend but it seems that way, but I guess a few empires have done the same in history but this is a creeping empire waiting to devour.

The Devil's advocate has a foothold ,

"Ellison said: "You can't back down, you can't chicken out, you can't be afraid, you got to have faith in Allah"

Sounder: "Back down from what? Chicken out from what? Such questions posed as these infer backing down from some intended act or mission. What is the intended act or mission to back down from? Back down from what?, the status quo, living peacefully in the west?"

Excellent questions all, Sounder. Very well put. Why would one make such statements if it were assumed that Muslims were already on the same page as non-Muslims when it comes to being American citizens, indistinguishable from other American citizens?

There was apparently a great deal of concern when John Kennedy was elected the first Catholic president. Did he deliver a similar speech to Catholics in the wake of his victory which so obviously implied that he represented some "Catholic" agenda above and beyond all else?

It just seems like an open and shut case to me... Since Islam is in conflict with the Constitution of the United States. Even Judge Roy Moore agrees that Keith Ellison cannot honestly say that he upholds the Constitution, since he is implying that the Qur'an trumps the Constitution.

But Doctor Bulldog, Judge Moore is a "right-wing nutjob". We have more to fear from Christianity than islam.....blah, blah, blah.

Isn't it just crazy how the left has stripped all the remnants of Judeo-Christianity from our public life but let islam and all the headchoppers have free reign in the west. And no criticism is allowed!
It just doesn't make sense. I've said it before here on JW....strong delusion.

"He cautioned though that there might be more anti-Muslim attacks in the future."

More anti-Muslim attacks? And these are happening where?
I didn't think so. But there should be, not physical attacks but vocal ones, loud and clear.
I will not be ruled by Islam.

"Isn't it just crazy how the left has stripped all the remnants of Judeo-Christianity from our public life but let islam and all the headchoppers have free reign in the west. And no criticism is allowed!
It just doesn't make sense."

Posted by: Carolyn2

I think it makes sense.

It's like Ghostbusters.
There's a river of slime flowing under our feet and most people are oblivious to its existence.
They are therefore easily swayed by slimy Islamic/leftist propaganda.
The world is polarizing into opposite camps - slimers and pure beings of truth, light and justice.

Luckily, we will have the Proton pack and Ecto-goggles in the coming struggle.

Does this make al Keith a "Right Wing Extremist"? A "Christophobe"? How about the phony "seperation of church and state" the fascist left vomit everyday?? Two war fronts: Operational (abroad so far), and Logistical (Stateside). Marx and Mo? Hmmmm...

"Allahu akbar" — God is great — was the reply of many in the crowd...

This same battle cry was used by the 911 hijackers to murder innocents; this same battle cry will now be ellison's call to action in Congress.

This IS war!

Ellison is a fraud and a shill for Islamic aggression. There isn't a single Ellison statement pre-9/11 that Islam is a peaceful religion hijacked by a few extremists. But the 3,000 casualties 9/11 were small compared by the number of people killed by the same "extremists" in say Sudan (very conservative estimates are in tens of thousands) alone, even if you just take the ten years preceding 9/11. Actually, the muslim world spent the 90's feting those same “extremist” guys.

So what changed? Is it that the US was so well loved in the muslim world that when Americans were killed muslims awoke to the monstrosity of the jihad? Well, no, of course we were pretty much number 2 in muslim hatred after Israel even before the war on terror. Well, after 9/11, a muslim has to make the obligatory "Islam is a peaceful religion hijacked by a few extremists" statement, because the 3,000 people killed happened to be citizens of a country with the finest armed forces in the world, which then set out to kick muslim ****

So more military action against muslims = more muslim “moderates”, NOT the other way around.

Total silence on Muslim “extremism” pre 9/11, opposition to all anti-“extremist” measures post 9/11, I’d say Ellison is doing his darndest to make sure Islam STAYS “hijacked by a few extremists”.

Padilla should get a cellmate.

Allahu Akhbar? Allah must, indeed, be great for his name is invoked during beheadings, snipings, bombings, many sadistic murders, on the airplanes headed into buildings on 9/11.

Chislam is just getting started with our legislature. We can expect more Chislamists to invoke Allah and their holy book of murder, mayhem and misogyny to justify their crimes against America and the world.

I hope Ellison wears his turban and rusty scabbard for his photo op with his Quarrel-On. I hope somebody kicks his arse when he throws his little rug down on the floor of the House to pray to his bloody 'god'.