Zawahiri votes -- with reservations -- for Hamas, calling Abbas "America's man in Palestine," which he certainly is. Our friend Jeffrey Imm, who has sent us countless important links over the years, has an excellent summary report of the new Zawahiri message over at the Counterterrorism Blog:
Al-Jazeera television released an excerpt of Al Qaeda deputy Al-Zawahiri's latest message in a Wednesday morning news bulletin, stating that it will air a longer segment later.In this morning's excerpt of the latest Al-Zawahiri message, the Al Qaeda deputy stated: "Those who are trying to liberate the Islamic territories through elections based on secular constitutions, or on decisions to hand over Palestine to the Jews, will not liberate one grain of sand of Palestine, but will choke jihad." This is in apparent response to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's proposal for early elections to resolve the conflict between the Fatah and Hamas parties.
Zawahiri called Abbas "America's man in Palestine," warning that if Palestinians accepted Abbas as their president, it would be "the end of holy war".
Off topic, but priest sets himself on fire in protest against islam. That's what I call anti-dhimmitude.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2434625,00.html
Yeah, an end to "holy war" would be so tragic. But this punk need not worry-Hamas, like Hezbollah and pretty much all palestinians in general, will never give up their "holy" war. They've been at it for 60 years now and until they are all either wiped out or forced to move to other countries they will never shirk from their "sacred duty". Much to the detriment of the world.
Al Qaeda deputy Al-Zawahiri's statements are true to the text of koran. the only control of the people comes from immans period. Democracy cannot be accepted. pious muslims know that, and we need to press that on Westerners. Kaos in the middle east is from Democracy in Israel, as it showcases people living in relative prosperity and peace from its civilians. Demcracy will be the undoing of islam, and Al Qaeda understand that.
It'll be interesting to see how the leaders of Hamas and Fatah react to this challenge. My guess is that they'll ratchet up personal security and ignore the old Jihadist.
Zawahiri is, of course, right in his criticisms. But, in their bid to be "practical" Hamas and Fatah can keep the welfare checks coming for their Swiss bank accounts and their constituents.
The best result would be Al Qaeda attacks on Hamas and Fatah, but I'm not so optimistic. The West needs the two parties to prop up the secular Islam fantasy that is the foundation of our collective suicide. And, darn it, the Arabs need the welfare checks from us so they're happy to do the Kabuki dance that has been ongoing for decades now.
My how far we have sunk that a secular but Jihad terrorist government is our best of goals.
Bet on a north-south Hizbullah-Hamas axis in the region, leaving us only to hope for what the MSM terms "sectarian conflict." That'd be great.
Listen to the "Philistine Child" on Sheik yer'mami's brand new blog:
http://www.sheikyermami.com/
Democracy is the only way, if 3 major faiths circle one area such as isreal then it should be shared and no one should oppress it. If it becomes Islamitised then Jews and Christians will be thrown out. Look how hard Temple Mount is to worship by or even visit to the top. If Isreal turns Islamic wave freedom of worship Good Bye for all worshippers. Problem is they don't have a solution and the Jews do.
I'm not sure why Zawahiri is railing against elections, since it was elections that brought Hamas to power. In Algeria, it was elections that almost brought a radical group to power a decade or so ago. The entrenched "moderate" government held on to power only by nullifying the results of the election. In Egypt, Mubarak has held on to power by an emergency decree that is something like 25 years old now. It remains in effect probably because Mubarak knows that a free election would likely bring the Islamic Brotherhood to power. The problem in the Islamic world is not a lack of democracy. The problem is an abundance of Islam. The problem is a culture that celebrates victimhood, bigotry and mass murder. Elections won't change that. I don't want to get too pedantic here, but a great American jurist with the interesting name of Learned Hand once said the following: "Liberty lives in the hearts and minds of men and women; when it dies there, no Constitution, no law, no court can save it." Liberty does not live in the hearts and minds of the men and women of the Islamic world, and no elections will create it.
BIG AL is basically saying it is a fight to the death......we should be looking at it in the same light.
Zawahiri's speech may persuade well-meaning Americans to regard Fatah as "our" friends and to hope that al-Mazen (Bush's and Rice's favorite) gains in influence. Web sites such as JW/DW should therefore step up their efforts to make it clear that neither side is willing to recognize Israel, that al-Mazen is Arafat-in-a-suit, and that it would be stupid to fall for the good-cop-bad-cop act. The two parties differ only on tactics, and our response should be to sit on the sidelines and watch, while the rival gangs kill each other's members, thereby demonstrating what "Palestinian" democracy means.
Islam plays westerners like a puppet on a string. just pull the strings and watch the puppet dance.
Zawahiri knows perfectly well that Abbas wants the same thing he does: the disappearance of Israel. The difference is simply one of how patient, or impatient, one is, and how realistic about current prospects. Abbas has concluded that it is best to proceed by degrees, taking whatever can be squeezed out of Israel by the Quartet -- that "two-state solution" would be an excellent start -- and then continuning the war, by economic boycott on the part of the Arabs and Muslims, by diplomatic warfare conducted especially at the U.N. (a bit harder now that Annan's not there, and even harder if Edward Mortimer and his tribe are booted out, or at least publicly exposed and then kept vigilantly under surveillance) and at the E.U. (itself coming apart, as nationalism and a salutary love of the local becomes the only bulwark against Islamization), and by real war -- terrorism here and there and everywhere, and that "Palestine" now working among the Israeli Arabs, who have become sudden "Palestinians" (and why not? there is no difference), in order in thirty years, or twenty, to make life so hellish that Israelis will emigrate, the eight Israeli airfields all well within range, those nuclear weapons of both Shi'a Iran and possibly by that time of the rival Sunni "Greater Gulf Co-Prosperity Sphere" (Saudi Arabia, Managing Director) threatening Israel, and who cares if the Israelis can retaliate -- it's well worth it, to end that shame, that humiliation to Arab and Muslim pride, of an Infidel state, and who cares if many Arabs (those "Palestinians") also get killed because they never mattered anyway, it was always a question of whether Islam would control, would possess, that land, and not about the welfare of real people.
That's the Slow Jihad that Al-Zawahiri attacks.
The Fast Jihad, the one that doesn't pay no never mind to niceties for the sake of Infidels, that thinks the Arabs already possess the wherewithal with those OPEC trillions, those millionso of Muslims now already settled deep behind what they are taught to regard as enemy lines in Western Europe and North America, and all the other weapons in the armory of Islam, unbeatable, wonderful, perfect, total-regulation and compleat-explanation Islam, Islam, Islam.
From the viewpoint of Infidels, Slow Jihad and Fast Jihad are equally dangerous, and perhaps, in the end, it is the revelation of what the Fast Jihad tells us that will enable us to see through the Slow Jihad. God knows the Slow Jihad is not exactly difficult to see. There may be a Dance of the Seven Veils, to seduce the credulous West, but in reality there are not seven veils, or six, or even one. The Slow Jihad is transparent, blushingly so. But many in the Western world, Bush and Rice and Blair and the leadership-role people in the E.U., want to pretend that this lacy little see-through camisole worn by Abbas (and doesn't he look good in it, too?) and his Fatah associates is in reality an impenetrably thick burlap burqa, and they just can't for the life of them see what lies underneath.
You say Sunni
I say Shi'ite! (said Silvestro Reyes)
Let's call the whole thing off!
But oh! If we call the whole thing off....
OR LET'S KILL JEWS AND MAKE JIHAD (kind of redundant,eh?)
Fatah vs Hamas ---->>>
A-RAB: We always walk tall!
BABY JOHN: We're Jets!
ACTION: The greatest!
ACTION and BABY JOHN (Sing)
When you're a Jet,
You're the top cat in town,
You're the gold medal kid
With the heavyweight crown!
A-RAB, ACTION, BIG DEAL
When you're a Jet,
You're the swingin'est thing:
Little boy, you're a man;
Little man, you're a king!
ALL
The Jets are in gear,
Our cylinders are clickin'!
The Sharks'll steer clear
'Cause ev'ry Puerto Rican's a lousy chicken!
Here come the Jets
Like a bat out of hell.
Someone gets in our way,
Someone don't feel so well!
Here come the Jets:
Little world, step aside!
Better go underground,
Better run, better hide!
We're drawin' the line,
So keep your noses hidden!
We're hangin' a sign,
Says "Visitors forbidden"
And we ain't kiddin'!
Here come the Jets,
Yeah! And we're gonna beat
Ev'ry last buggin' gang
On the whole buggin' street!
On the whole!
Ever!
Mother!
Lovin'!
Street!
Yeah!
derka, derka, derka, mohammed, derka, jihad, jihad, jihad, allahu ackbhar!
A mo-foe's vocabulary is essentially limited to that of a wooden puppet in Team America:World Police (TM).
Somedays I get tired and think 'give them their jihad'. Eventually I think it will come to that. Something big will happen and we'll give up on the whole thing and simply start blasting away. They'll have their jihad.
I'm not sure why Zawahiri is railing against elections, since it was elections that brought Hamas to power.
In Islam, democracy is regarded to be only a transitory state en route to Sharia, upon which democracy is shut and a Dictatorship of the Holytariat is implemented.
Zarwahiri is notifying the Hamas that it's time to quit pussy footing around with this democracy bullcrap and to move straight to the Mufti dictatorship the local Moslems so badly want.
of given the schizophrenic belief Muslims have about all and belonging to Allah and it and promised to Muslims despite the people living there not having any desire to become Muslim and Muslims believing any land they occupy must remain Islamic land and if the people there in their eyes rebel against the Islamic parasites that have been extorting protection money a.k.a.jizha from thedhimmi a.k.a. the subdued people Islam demands that they be killed for daring to rebel against their mad overlords and that in reality is why the Arab nations of the Middle East have kept trying to finish Hitler's final solution after all they were his allies in World War II and as for Palestinian people that is a figment of Arab minds that is the only place they have ever existed and Jews have a right to their land despite the schizophrenia of the Muslims and their bloodthirsty travesty of the Jewish and Christian beliefs that Muhammad cobble together along with moon God Allah into Islam and used it to make him self the seventh century equivalent of Bill gate's when it comes to money.but the fact is the Jews were in the lands of the Palestinians are trying to claim were there millennia before Arabs came out of the desert and over ran Jewish lands just as they them and trying to do in India until the British came and stopped
I'm not sure the Palestinians are interested in jihad for Islam's sake. I don't think Zawahiri will find much of an audience with them.
Lan Astaslem...I will not submit!:
http://www.cafepress.com/politiganda/2247256
To my mind, abbas' slimey quasi-political machinations are much more likely to succeed, and therefore he much more dangerous. Luckily, from the news accounts, it looks like haniyeh and meshall's savages are just a bit more ruthless than abbas' savages, so if the Israelis and Americans will kindly just sit back, abbas will soon be history. The egyptian doctor is good for nothing other than providing a bit of clarity to those willing to listen.
Abbas Americas man.Ya right.Hes an Ararafat loyalist,just in a bussiness suit.So in effect Alquedas tape provides cover for Abbas as he wares his moderate designation.But ive seen nothing to sway my understanding of abbas,as being a peacful moderate.Ive seen plenty to suggest hes an old hand in the terrorist warfare against Isreal etc.And Hamas is just more blatent in its strategie.But Abbas and the Hamas peaple all share the one common goal.Its been this way for a long time.So Abbas as a moderate, only a foolish person could except such rubis.Theres no evedence to suggest such things.Just becouse hes and his party have been designated such does not make it so.In fact this is part of the bungled efforts in dealing with such groups.So all day well be hearing the PLO spokes peaple saying no were not Alqueda like,and Alqueda should stay out of PA affairs.But be not fooled the PLO etc are Forrunnerers to Bnladens brand of Terro.This is historic fact.And no amount of political spin can change it.No worldy desgination of moderate can change the essense of these groups polcies.Its a very dangerous sitiation.
very OT
JihadWatchers... I need your help.
Spent 3 hours last night trying to get my brother to see what Islam is REALLY all about, to get him to understand why what goes on in Islamic countries and the Eurabian-morphing of Western Europe IS our problem and all that.
He was having NONE OF IT. He is a liberal left wing media darling and he has never even thought about getting his news someplace with less bias.
His biggest argument, and one that I COULD NOT SWAY, was: The koran and the Bible read exactly alike, and there are Christians in the world, too, who are as rabid fanatical about the Bible as some Muslims are about their koran.
He agreed to read some links I send him. Problem is, I honestly don't know of any truly MODERATE sites to get him started on EXACTLY what Islam teaches and why Muslims inherently cannot be moderate and participate in a democracy because of what the koran tells them.
I wanted so badly to send him here or to WesternResistance, but those are too much, and he'll be turned off by what he perceives as extreme. I am therefore putting out the call for help to all of you, to direct me to a few moderate websites that will lay out some koran quotes and some ideas and beliefs about Islam for the beginning... sites that read more moderately and that won't scare off someone brand new to this so he could dismiss it as 'too extreme in its views.'
PLEASE HELP!
His biggest argument, and one that I COULD NOT SWAY, was: The koran and the Bible read exactly alike, and there are Christians in the world, too, who are as rabid fanatical about the Bible as some Muslims are about their koran.
This is called the Equivalence Argument, a pernicious contention that has no basis in reality:
* Snuffing out all other religions by violence (including the threat thereof) is the central tenet to Islam. Not so for JudeoChristianity.
* The text of the Koran is not open to interpretation, it is the literal word of God and therefore uncreated and immutable. Not so for the Bible, which was written by mere mortals to record and interpret the God, Jesus, and JudeoChristian prophets.
* The text of the Koran is suffused with calls for violence, intimidation, and murder against non-Moslems, including pagans and apostate Moslems, and systematic programs for same. Not so the Bible.
* The Sunnah, the sacred Islamic texts chronicling Mohammed’s words and deeds, are commanded by Allah for Moslems. Mohammed was a murder, terrorists, rapist, thief, slaver, sex slaver, pedophile, extortionist, and many other bad things. Moslems worship these things. Jesus lived clean and was pacifist.
* Islam, from the Koran, is energized by victimism as the rationale for murder and theft. Not so the Bible.
* Virtually all terrorists are Moslems (Jihad war terrorists); all Jihad activists (terrorists) base their murderous behavior on the Koran and the Sunnah. Not so for the tiny number of JudeoChristian terrorists that exist; they act for political, not religious, reasons.
The Equivalence Argument is rooted in fear, intellectual cowardice, Fictive Reality, and wishful thinking. He needs to shake that Marxism that bit him (probably in college).
JenBee,
Your brother is one who sees the world as he "wishes it to be" and not as "it is". He is a denier and cannot come to the understanding or realization that such "evil" really does exist and is spreading. These type of people live in a bubble and cannot come out easily. Typically he would be a Liberal and very PC.
I surely share your fustration! We are all going thru it!
JenBee try Ali Sina's site, Ali Sina is always polite to people who want to talk to him. He is also a man who raised a Muslim and has insights into that culture outsiders like your brother can never have. It hard to argue with someone that Islam is peaceful religion when you're talking to a guy who actualy lived it.
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/
"In fact the very meaning of jihad is to go FROM natural or potential tensions, conflicts OR WAR TOWARDS inner serenity and collective peace."
Oh!Thats a relief!For a second there,I thought he said jihad is a war FOR peace!
Oh.He did say that...sort of...I think...
anonamutafa,
He means jihad is a means to peace. Of course Muslim peace that is, without the rest of us non-muslims!
whoops!wrong article!
Candygram for Zawahiri.
Hypersonic Cruise Missile: America's New Global Strike Weapon.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4203874.html
Ouch!
Is that the Mark of the Beast on Al=-Zawahiri's forehead?
[I know, I know what it is, a supposed mark of exceptional piety brought on by banging his forehead against the ground in avid prayer.]
Dear JenBee,
I am a hard core leftist myself. What I would point out to your brother is that the SECULAR STATE is 1] instrimential to overall humanitarian progress 2 ] Christians , the vast majority , accept and support the secular state where as Muslims , again the vast majority, do not.
Also what ever objections he has to Christian culture ( yes there are countless ) the same situations exist in Muslim culture ONLY THE EVEN GREATER EXTREAMS!
Wealth distribution? Unequalled lopsidedness in the Islamic world. Religious fanatism? No need to comment there! Discrimination against women? Free press? Democratic rights? There is no comparision.
If he cannot see these diffrences then he is not so much a leftist as he is a FACIST! Like so many on the left has become. Does he feel comfortable standing shoulder to shoulder with David Duke as he testified before the Iranians at their recent confrence on the genocide of WW II ? Notice it was not Vanassa Redgrave of Norm Chomski there but the Imperial Wizard of the KKK David Duke there.
AS for Dr. Z of Egypt he can put his Koran to good use and wipe his ass with it!
There is NO GOD but NO GOD and Muhammad is the messenger of nothing.
----Nossy
Lefties have replaced God with environmentalism, feminism, and many other ism’s. They have said they are the protectors of the oceans yet since they took on the role the Oceans are even more polluted than they were. They protect the forests, then why are they burning down in giant fires not seen until recently? Because lefties stand for everything yet nothing at the same time. If the Christians ever disappear they will find out just what they ****ed up. They are brownshirts disguised as human rights supporters, they seek to shove their ideas down our throats. I have talked with both lefties and evangelicals, they both try to convert you but the left gets nasty if you don’t immediately embrace their ideology. Evan’s just say thanks for your time and walk away.
The left, if they ever formed a country wound not last 50 years by itself. I wish they would form their own country and get lost. They are dangerous as we have all seen. I doubt many of them would stand up and fight for what they believe, that is why they always protest in an area with cameras and lots of police protection. If they are ever confronted by the jihadists they will run, abandoning their own in a desperate attempt to escape what they got themselves into. As you can see I am not a fan of leftism, I have observed the results of their work and it is perverse. Even though it is perverse I will not attempt to kill them unlike the jihadists that many of them are so confused about.
Regarding that ugly contusion-abrasion on Al-Zawahiri's forehead, see
http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com/2006/12/mark-of-beast-third-angel-followed.html
The Al Qaeda deputy also stated: "Every way which is not Jihad will only result in defeat."
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But I thought that "Jihad" just meant "inner struggle to be a better person"--you know, to be less judgemental and nicer to mean people at work and give more to the homeless and not get grumpy during the Ramadan fast.
Isn't this what we're always being told?