Fine. Let them take their oaths on the book of their choice. When I'm elected to Congress, I want to be sworn in on The True Nature of Imposture by Humphrey Prideaux. But in the meantime, before the Balkanization of America is fully completed (although Ellison's desire comes as no surprise to me, as it echoes cases we have covered here before), CAIR is all wet. There is not a thing "bigoted, intolerant and divisive" about upholding Western Judeo-Christian tradition. If Prager is removed from the Holocaust Council, it will be a victory not only for that Balkanization, but for genuine bigotry and intolerance, directed as always against those who uphold the values on which this nation is based. "Islamic group wants Ellison critic removed from Holocaust council," from Associated Press, with thanks to the Constantinopilitan Irredentist:
WASHINGTON - An Islamic civil rights group said Monday that a columnist who criticized Rep.-elect Keith Ellison's decision to use the Quran during his ceremonial swearing-in should be removed from the United States Holocaust Memorial Council.The Council on American-Islamic Relations said the comments by Dennis Prager, a columnist and conservative talk radio host, displayed an intolerance toward Islam that make him an inappropriate person to serve on the council.
Ellison, D-Minn., is the first Muslim elected to Congress.
In his column last week, Prager wrote: "Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress."...
"No one who holds such bigoted, intolerant and divisive views should be in a policymaking position at a taxpayer-funded institution that seeks to educate Americans about the destructive impact hatred has had, and continues to have, on every society," CAIR's executive director, Nihad Awad, wrote in a letter to the council's chairman, Fred Zeidman.
There has been a call to start a nationwide movement of Anti-Islamofascism.
A movement that will be duplicated from the Anti-Communist movement that was so successful.
http://www.tothepointnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2539&Itemid=67
At some point there will have to be an organized response to Islamofascism. Better now then never.
CAIR's vile duplicity is outrageously reprehensible.
What the hell is a violently antisemitic and hateful organization, such as CAIR, that engages in Holocaust denial, doing writing to the Holocaust Memorial Museum? And why would such a communication not be exposed for its lack of sincerity.
CAIR represents the forefront of Holocaust denial; while contemporaneously advocating another Holocaust.
I agree with Prager's conclusions; but not his reasoning; if it were any other text, I wouldn't object, but the Koran is no different than Mein Kampf.
What's also offensive is the ADL being so quick to attack Prager; I'm not saying the ADL should support Prager, just that they should not have commented on this issue.
A muslim cannot even take the oath of office without willfully lying .
No one who holds such bigoted, intolerant and divisive views should be in a policymaking position at a taxpayer-funded institution that seeks to educate Americans about the destructive impact hatred has had, and continues to have, on every society," CAIR's executive director, Nihad Awad, wrote in a letter to the council's chairman, Fred Zeidman.
Who died (or was ed by ISLAMIC ers) and left Awad in charge of who can say what in this country???
CAIR with all its members are the ones who need to be silenced.
Nihad -- if you America, then get the hell out!
There has been a call to start a nationwide movement of Anti-Islamofascism.
A movement that will be duplicated from the Anti-Communist movement that was so successful.
http://www.tothepointnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2539&Itemid=67
At some point there will have to be an organized response to Islamofascism. Better now then never.
Posted by: alaskan1000
I bookmarked the article. Where do I sign up to join this organization? Something must be done to stop Muslims before it's too late.
No one who holds such bigoted, intolerant and divisive views should be in a policymaking position at a taxpayer-funded institution that seeks to educate Americans about the destructive impact hatred has had, and continues to have, on every society," CAIR's executive director, Nihad Awad, wrote in a letter to the council's chairman, Fred Zeidman.
A group that holds such bigoted, intolerant, and divisive views should not be allowed to decide who can and cannot serve a taxpayer-funded institution that seeks to educate Americans about the destructive impact hatred has had, and continues to have, on every society.
It's so much easier when you can use their own words against them.
Sorry for being extremely OT, but this had me LOL.
Here is a translation of what some of the new Department of Homeland Security signs mean.
CAIR's and Awad are both a hypocrite and a bigot.
bigoted: obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions.
They are attempting to bypass the First Amendment by silencing and marginalizing anyone who has an alternative point of view.
If I'm not mistaken, the point is moot in any case as members of Congress aren't required to place their hands on any book (unless they bring and hold thier own) as they raise their hands to take the oath in unison:
Unfortunately they have been successful in removing dissenting officials in various other states on the charge of racism, bias, bigotry, or Islamophobia.
They should be taken to task for Muslim bias, anti-Semetism, and undermining the First Amendment as the Constitution is the "Bible" of the United States.
"A muslim cannot even take the oath of office without willfully lying."
This is an excellent point.
It should be remembered, however, that the Constitution makes no mention of taking the oath on any book; nor are the words "so help me, God" mentioned. These are traditions originated by our first (and greatest) president, George Washington.
This issue is, therefore, not a matter of law, but of respect for tradition. Mr. Ellison clearly has either no knowledge of or complete contempt for the traditions of this country.
I would have more respect for him if he took his oath on a back issue of Mad magazine and still more if he used no book at all. That at least would be constitutional.
Using the Quran is a direct slap in the face.
"Fine. Let them take their oaths on the book of their choice. When I'm elected to Congress, I want to be sworn in on The True Nature of Imposture by Humphrey Prideaux."
Hahahahaha! Now thats the spirit Mr. Spencer!
Thanks for the laugh....
And I, an atheist, will be sworn in with my hand on "Onward Muslim Soldiers" by Robert Spencer.
That, or a stack of pancakes. Depending on the mood/hunger-level.
CAIR wrote in its letter to the museum council's president, Fred Zeidman.
"As a presidential appointee, Prager's continued presence on the council would send a negative message to Muslims worldwide about America's commitment to religious tolerance."
This country has religous tolerance. This country however does not have tolerance for a religion without tolerance.
When is the treasury going to freeze CAIR? Maybe that will shut them up.
Since using a Protestant bible to swear oathes on is not a law, and does not insure the integrity of the oath swearer, Prager, A Jew, defense of the King James bible use is totally reactionary and hypocritcal. A true Jew denies Christ's divinity, but Prager is simply a superficial Jew trying to curry favor from the Christo-fascists by kissing every right wing theocon's butt! I thought Spencer was adult enough to realize that there are some really decent Muslims in the world and encourage simple minded bigotry by pandering to Prager is not good.
"And I, an atheist, will be sworn in with my hand on "Onward Muslim Soldiers" by Robert Spencer."
Posted by: special_guest
awsome got a good laugh. But its a good point like prager said would we accept someone to swear an oath on mein kempf. WEll I guess the koran is close enough.
I am glad they went after Prager he is a high profile guy and he is very smart. He will eat them up. He really knows how to put things into words. There are times I am frustrated with the PC bullshit but I don't know how to word things exactly then I read his article he really knows how to frame arguments in a way that make sense and any PC bozo can understand.
Passages from the Qur'an -- 9.29 and 9.5 come to mind, and so do a hundred others -- should be the subject of Op/Ed pieces, should be read out over the airwaves, both on radio and television, without any inhibitions, and audiences should be asked if they think this is the kind of text upon which a Congressmen ought to be swearing allegiance. Is he swearing allegiance to the Untied States, and if so, it is passing strange that he would choose to do it using as his unshakeable guide a book that contradicts, in every way, the legal and political institutions of this country, and menaces directly -- no mincing words about it -- the physical wellbeing of all non-Muslims.
If Ellison chooses to use the Qur'an, make sure he, and CAIR, will regret it -- regret it endlessly. It could be a long-running Teaching Lesson for the American public. And should be.
Dumbo:
Your analysis is flawed. Prager is not a hypocrite if he's a Jew and defends the use of the Christian Bible because he is not defending its theology. He is defending the PRINCIPLE of the TRADITION of using the Bible for the swearing in.
'Dumbo': is that you, Andrew Sullivan?
Mr. Spencer,
Can you define the term "balkanization" please?
Thanks.
No one who holds such bigoted, intolerant and divisive views should be in a policymaking position at a taxpayer-funded institution that seeks to educate Americans about the destructive impact hatred has had, and continues to have, on every society,"
Based on this logic, Ellison should be denied the right to serve in our Congress. This is the most perverse group of people the guvment has ever embraced.
The Minnesota jihadists, that seems about right.
I have been saying this for a long time: CAIR is a bigoted and sexist organization. Hooper said he wants to see Islamic law in this country. Islamic law is both bigoted toward non-muslims and sexist. What is the difference between a KKK member wanting the return to segragation and slavery and CAIR wanting this silly law code.
The anti-jihad force should use this against them. Focus on this and attack them on it. In fact Mr. Spencer should return the favor to Dougie Hooper by refusing to debate him or be on the same show with him becuase Hooper is a bigot and sexist coward.
After all did he not make the statement: "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future. But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."
Now if a KKK memeber says he is not going to do anything violent does that make you feel better. He is still a bigot. Mr. Spencer just say "I don't associate with bigots" and then explain "Mr. Hooper and CAIR want Islamic law in this country and Hooper himself has said so". Turn their tactic against them. In fact I would just go after Hooper and other "faces" of CAIR and Ellison by showing what bigots and sexist jerks they are. Pound them without mercy. Use PC tactics against them. Two can play the bigot card but even better the good guys in anti-jihad side can play the sexist card.
Why the song and dance?
This Ellison didn't exactly foist himself into the House. He was voted by the people of Minnesota. Every body who voted for him, including the Jews and Christians of that state, knew that he is a convert. What does everybody expect him to do? Swear on the Bible, Swear on the Constitution, you must be soooo naive.
You always get what you deserve in the end.
Dumbo
Are you a Bigot and a Sexist? Me thinks you are!
It appears you are defending one in Ellison. Lets hear your views on why you support Islamic law.
So dumbo you defend:
(1) Women are inferior
(2) Women should be raped for not wearing the Islamic dress
(3) Women should not get an education
And so will you hoimit.
Dumbo is.
loler,
Balkanization is a fragmentation of an area into smaller units or divisions.
Cheers,
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
When I'm elected to Congress, I want to be sworn in on The True Nature of Imposture by Humphrey Prideaux.
--RS
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It sounds like somebody has thrown his hat in the ring to represent Secure Undisclosed Locationville and surrounding areas in Congress in 2008.
Hurrah! Though we'll hold you to your first promise about swearing on "The True Nature of Imposture".
If there is one thing i am most certain of it's these people,the muslims use of the word hypocrite. Correct me if i am wrong but isn't islam built on hypocrosy?
You see my view on freedom is that it comes with a price AND a limit. The rules i believe are you are free to do so as long as it isn't illegal or brings harm to others.Last time i checked islam in it's words and ideals are as about as harmful as it gets.If we are to allow an ideal or religion bent on erasing all that we hold dear ,well then lets just raise hitler from the grave and hand all of ourselves to his madness.
I am posting from the house of war and it will be the house of war as long as there is islam,because unlike what the muslims think I AM NOT IGNORANT OF ISLAM,in fact i understand perfectly well what it is all about and i see what they are trying and what they are succeeding to do,at least at this time.I believe something horrific is in the future and unfortunately this is what it will take to open the eyes of those fast asleep.I am well aware that "the day of days" in what ever form either brought on by man or God whatever your belief or disbelief is approaching and it will be unlike anything any one person save for those allowed by God himself to fortell have seen.
What!? A Jew criticized a Muslim in public?!
Why, that should be against the law!
CAIR's going for revenge, plain and simple. They want to ruin Prager's reputation by having him branded a bigot, not just by Muslims, but by his fellow board members and associates. I hope they don't fall for CAIR's hypocrisy and lies.
CAIR is using bullying tactics, plain and simple, and I hope everyone recognizes it as such.
greatcometof1577 & tgusa
The biggest dumbos are the people who voted for him. People like you in fact.
What exactly was your contribution in this election? Did you go to Minnesota to campaign agaist this muslim? Don't shout the odds at me, read my posts and you'll realise what I'm on about.
Sitting behind your computers and calling people names is what has driven your lot to such deapth of depravity. You are still blind to see the bigger picture. Muslims are taking the avantage of democratic means to topple Western institutions and you are powerless to stop it.
What is irritating you is that you are atterly helpless to stop it.
Go and help Pakistan some more, yes it will lick your behind till its had enough, then it will just chew you up and spit you out.
We have seen that when allowed, muslims vote for ? Did we allow the German American Bund prior to WWII to run about the country with compassionate pleas of, Please! Give Hitler a chance America. No, and people who embraced him no matter how popular, such as the case of Charles Lindbergh, were later barred from participating in the war effort and humiliated beyond the grave.
BTW- This is old news disguised as new news. Prager has been doing this as long as I can remember.
Hey Pissedoffcanadian, I'm with you as usual, Denis Prager will definitely put them in their place as you suggested.
As for Dumbo, I don't know anything about you but what a great way to step up to your name. As atheling stated the issue is upon the tradition of swearing on the bible, however I believe he is making one more point; it is also not swearing upon a doctrine which is against the very democracy these people are taking an oath to.
The Quran is not compatible with democracy as everyone knows, so how can anyone who takes a democratic oath do it to a doctrine of hate, intolerance, and submission to a jihadist principle?
Niv
Ynkedoodl2 - I like "c) Uncle Jakob (Jakob=black slave of Mohammad)".
@Dumbo
The Koran isn't just another book.
The Koran is the worst book, the most evil book that has ever been foisted on humanity. It would be an atrociously written joke, if it were not straight off Satan's printing press.
Have you ever wondered at the monstrous evil of mohammad (allahsasshole) to deny Christ's crucifixion?
A crucifixion denier is like a holocaust denier. They are incorrigibly evil. The worst scum.
No one tells me to hate Islam. No leader speaks against it. The difference between an Islamophobe like me and a non-Islamophobic American is the difference between someone who has read the hate literature of Islam and someone who has not.
Hermit
I did not respond to you nor did I call you any names. My response is to dumbo and he alone. Read my posts and point out where I attacked you?
I however do disagree with one of your statements:
"Muslims are taking the avantage of democratic means to topple Western institutions and you are powerless to stop it."
No shit! But powerless to stop it????????
I have faith that the average American will see Islam for what it is. It will be hard work but in the end Americans don't like religious know it alls who want to tell everyone how to live their lives which most muslims do everyday. Just watch the news and muslims somewhere on earth are demanding something. Americans don't like that...we have something called the vote.
And if worst comes to worst...
I can always pull out the Declaration of Independence grab my "arms" and go 1775!
Helpless....
Not by a long shot. We have only just begun to fight...
Dennis Prager is a honorable man. He is intelligient, forthright and honest. CAIR on the other hand are nothing but a den of islamic vipers. They are the ones who had founding members who had terrorist ties with the holy land foundation and other so called charities.
CAIR should be banned and outlawed in the united states. They want to undermine the us constitution and the bill of rights.
I believe every member of congress should be sworn in with their hand on the us constitution and bill of rights. Ellison's allegience is not the us but to islam. Time will tell.
Hugh said
This is my dream, that when I have more than enough money to cover the mortgage, the payments on the wood-paneled station wagon, the Pampers for the 1.6 kids, paint for the white picket fence, and the dental braces, [and of course, regular donations to JW/DW] that I would buy billboard ads, or at least posters, simply with suitable quotes from the Qur'an, and possibly the ahadith, with the following tagline:
Do you know what the Qur'an teaches? Are you sure?
And end it with, if given permission, a link to JW/DW. No editorializing, just let the Qur'anic quotes speak for themselves. Getting the public familiar with the canonical foundation of Islam is the #1 way to fight the jihad, IMHO.
special guest,
Now, are you counting that 1.6 kids by the Qur'an's reckoning?
Cheers,
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
CAIR posted their 'Educators Guide", this is a guide that is to be used to explain Islam.
The guide can be seen at http://www.ico-ne.org/Education/Educators_Guide/educators_guide.html
Please orient yourself with the whole 'brainwashing' belief system. But please make note of the last item, the 'Pledge of Allegiance'.
CAIR admits that Muslims are not allowed to "PLEDGE" to anything or anyone but GOD. 'We members of this nation are not to be offended though' according to CAIR. CAIR even states that Muslims may go through the appearance but not the pledge. Although CAIR states this about the Pledge of Allgiance it will fall the same for the Pledge to a Country.
CAIR admits a Muslim is NOT to pledge to anything but Allah.
WASHINGTON - An Islamic civil rights group said Monday that a columnist who criticized Rep.-elect Keith Ellison's decision to use the Quran during his ceremonial swearing-in should be removed from the United States Holocaust Memorial Council.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations said the comments by Dennis Prager, a columnist and conservative talk radio host, displayed an intolerance toward Islam that make him an inappropriate person to serve on the council.
And of ALL groups it is CAIR who decides who is on the *Holocaust* Memerial Council? Is it CAIR members who suffere the Holocaust? Has CAIR expressed any previous support or concern for the Holocaust Memorial Council? has CAIR donated funds or vounteered goods and/or services to the Coiuncil?
Now we all know the answer to that!
Maybe CAIR should work with our SOWdi friends in raising Holocaust awareness over there.. Maybe CAIR will talk to the SOWdis about the treatment of other non-moslem religions and their adherents in that lovely kingdom.
Or maybe CAIR will talk to their leader AchmeiniranischerHitlerdad in the lovely country known as Iran? Enlighten this little gremlin about the Holocaust and the history that led to it. Will they beseech him to cease and desist from the path of verbal jihad that his country is currently on - before something serious happens!
Now if CAIR were doing even a SMIDGEON of all of this then they *might* have an ounce or two of moral authority over who should sit on what holocaust committe. On the other hand if they were truly concerned about Holocaust issues they would probably leave well enough alone in this particular case.
What more can i say? What's the Arab word for Chutzpah! I mean they have so much of it there just HAS to be one.
Heh, this is bullshit. There is one glaring error here: the swearing in ceremony for the House of Representatives does not include ANY religious book. I doubt Ellison said any such thing unless he is totally ignorant.
Skeptic - Ellison was interviewed on CBC Radio the day after the election. He was asked if he would be sworn in on the Koran and he said yes.
In the name of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate:
By the will of Allah, Sheik Ellison represents the people of the largest city in the Northern Caliphate. Presumably he will do so until Sharia is implimented in the Caliphate and the unholy democratic government is abolished.
Infidels no longer have any say in such matters.
As for me, I welcome our new Muslim overlords and thank our political elites for bringing about this state of affairs.
Allahu albar!
Norseman, that's the spirit! But remember, be prepared to do a retraction, Kent Brockman style, after our Muslim overlords fail in their attempt to enslave us. That's okay, we're a merciful people, we won't behead you or anything.
The solution isn't to deny Mr. Ellison the right to take the oath on the Koran, It's to change the oath.
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, secular and religious. I renounce any ideology or religious dogma that advocates the suplanting of rule by the people with devinely inspired laws of any deity or religious tradition. I renounce any belief, secular or religious, that advocates the subjection or discrimination against persons holding religious beliefs different than my own, or of the opposite gender than my own. I renounce and condemn any wars or acts of violence in the name of religion, without exception, and swear to fight against persons who engage in such acts as enemies of the United States and its Judeo-Christian heritage. Further, I recognize no laws, secular or religious, as superceding the laws and constitution of the United States. that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the constitution of the United States; that I will take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
The solution isn't to deny Mr. Ellison the right to take the oath on the Koran, It's to change the oath.
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, secular and religious. I renounce any ideology or religious dogma that advocates the suplanting of rule by the people with devinely inspired laws of any deity or religious tradition. I renounce any belief, secular or religious, that advocates the subjection or discrimination against persons holding religious beliefs different than my own, or of the opposite gender than my own. I renounce and condemn any wars or acts of violence in the name of religion, without exception, and swear to fight against persons who engage in such acts as enemies of the United States and its Judeo-Christian heritage. Further, I recognize no laws, secular or religious, as superceding the laws and constitution of the United States. that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the constitution of the United States; that I will take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
Thus, Mr. Ellison can both take the oath on the Koran, and renounce its contents at the same time
Because we are merciful, we will behead Norseman, after making him drink boiling water and enter the fire.
Sort of, like Allah
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
.... and Keith "muslim brother" Elisson will take an oath on the above. Square this against all religious books (exceopt ofcourse, Islam) banned in, our friend and ally, Saudi Arabia.
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
.... and Keith "muslim brother" Elisson will take an oath on the above. Square this against all religious books (exceopt ofcourse, Islam) banned in, our friend and ally, Saudi Arabia.
Yo Dumbo,
Clicked on your handle expecting to find something worthwhile. Imagine my disapointment when all I saw were directions through upstate New York. Lovely, If there is anything else of value you can contribute please feel free to do so Mr/Mrs. Darwin award canidate.
CEREMONIES ARE SOLEMN EVERYWHERE EXCEPT IN THE US
Why should a time-honored American ceremony be changed to appease immigrants?
If white English American immigrants whined about the US celebrating the 4th of July and said that they were "offended" and formed some alphabet soup political action group, would anyone say that we should stop celebrating the insensitive 4th of July holiday?
Don't change our beloved traditions. Don't destroy our cherished ceremonies.
"Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free....But the deconstructionists can stay home. We don't want them over here."
I sent the following email to CAIR communications officials ihooper@cair.com, rahmed@cair.com, arubin@cair.com
In response to "U.S Holocaust Museum Urged to Drop Islam-Basher",
http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=2426&theType=NR
demanding that Dennis Prager be fired.
Gentlemen,
Inasmuch as one of the most prominent Muslims in the world, Mahmood Ahmadinejad, continues to state publicly that the HOLOCAUST DIDN'T EVEN HAPPEN,
and inasmuch as your organization ROUTINELY FAILS to condemn this and all other expressions of islamo-fascism, I think it's a bit disingenuous to try to tell the Jews how to run the Holocaust museum.
If you would, from time to time, denounce Islamic extremism, then perhaps you would have more credibility when trying to claim that others' (non-muslims) views are extremist.
--
The idea that Muslims are taught not to pledge themeselves to anything save Allah because the Qu'ran tells them so, might very well be true.
However Jesus also tells his disciples not to take an oath, but to speak plainly, letting one's yes mean yes, and one's nay mean nay. The Nazarene's admonition was a correction to the Jewish and human tendency to take out holy oaths on everything from the mundane to the preposterous.
In American life this wise counsel to avoid oaths has morphed into a cultural stigma against so-called profane or bad language, i.e. cursing (which changes with the times), and is something else entirely, much closer to the religious concept of blasphemy.
Frank, dutiful honesty and follow-through trump the swearing of oaths and other empty gestures. This is the way pointed out by our prophets and Messiah. I'm old enough to remember when a man's word and handshake ruled the land without need for bloated contracts, lawyers, and legalistic oaths taken with one hand slapped to a book for most ordinary activities.
In other words, as an American patriot who agrees that Islamo-fascism has announced itself as America's sworn enemy, and that we are at war with those Muslim jihadists and their moderate apologists who have lifted certain passages from the rather diabolical Qu'ran to support their agenda whiel using our own open system against us, I believe that the "honest Christians" on this website - to remain free of petty hypocrisy - would be better served by a more comprehensive understanding of their own book before lashing out at some of the less pernicious clippings from the Qu’ran.
After all, the bible is a rather controversial book, in its own right, especially from a Protestant perspective. Ever heard of an absentee Christian, a listener of the word rather than a doer of the word, a lukewarm believer? The fact is we are all condemned by our own self-interests and hypocrisies. And we will ALL require grace at Judgement Day.
Now back to our regularly scheduled program...
As does Gabriel the American in a foregoing post, I am at a loss to understand why the people at CAIR (a questionably "American" organization) are concerned with the Holocaust, which according to the "moderate" Abu Mazen, the vile Ahmadinejad and other Moslems never occurred.
Oh, and a Moslem in Congress post 9-11 is like having a Nazi in Congress during world War II.
Islam has shown tolerance! Sort of. CAIR wants Dennis Prager removed from the Holocaust Council. That's very thoughtful of them, trying to remove such an intolerant guy from such an organization so that the organization won't be tainted by the likes of a terrible racist. See, CAIR loves Jews-they're only thinking of their well being here. Can't you just feel the tolerance? Plus, they obviously acknowledge that the Holocaust did happen with this support. Next thing you know CAIR will help celebrate Hannukah, led by none other than Keith Ellison. The Muslims really do have the Jews' best interests at heart.
ISLAMSFORLOSERS,
Ha Ha! That's like some wacky story I would read in the MSM. I'm surprised we haven't seen that angle yet.
Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Main Entry: oath
Pronunciation: 'Oth
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural oaths /'O[th]z, 'Oths/
Etymology: Middle English ooth, from Old English Ath; akin to Old High German eid oath, Middle Irish oeth
1 a (1) : a solemn usually formal calling upon God or a god to witness to the truth of what one says or to witness that one sincerely intends to do what one says (2) : a solemn attestation of the truth or inviolability of one's words b : something (as a promise) corroborated by an oath
2 : an irreverent or careless use of a sacred name;
Main Entry: 1pledge
Pronunciation: 'plej
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English plegge security, from Anglo-French plege, from Late Latin plebium, from *plebere to pledge, probably of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German pflegan to take care of -- more at PLIGHT
1 a : a bailment of a chattel as security for a debt or other obligation without involving transfer of title b : the chattel so delivered c : the contract incidental to such a bailment
2 a : the state of being held as a security or guaranty b : something given as security for the performance of an act
3 : a token, sign, or earnest of something else
4 : a gage of battle
5 : TOAST 3
6 a : a binding promise or agreement to do or forbear b (1) : a promise to join a fraternity, sorority, or secret society (2) : a person who has so promised
My first reaction to Gabriel the American's post was that an oath is different than a pledge, and I believe the definitions above from Merriam Webster support that. A pledge is an individual's promise to the best of his ability, but an oath is sworn before God and has a spiritual weight and somberness that extends beyond human interactions.
But anyway, the differences between the Lord Jesus Christ and Mohammed; and the Quran and the New Testament, are so striking that nothing more needs to be said. Have a wonderful evening!
Ha Ha! That's like some wacky story I would read in the MSM. I'm surprised we haven't seen that angle yet.
Posted by: SpongeMom at December 4, 2006 08:27 PM
If such a story does come out the Caliphate of Minnesota will most likely lead the way with it.
The koran is not compatible with the Constitution of the United States. How can one swear to uphold the Constitution on something that at odds with it?
Why should a time-honored American ceremony be changed to appease immigrants?
Don't change our beloved traditions. Don't destroy our cherished ceremonies.
"Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free....But the deconstructionists can stay home. We don't want them over here."
Posted by: Tookson at December 4, 2006 07:38 PM
As an immigrant (legal ofcourse), I am against changing anything to please immigrants. If the immigrants who should be thankful for what this country has to offer, don't like it here, they chould not have come in the first place. Having come, they who dislike this country and it's traditions, must get out! It is that simple.
Doesn't make any sense to me either, but muslims will SURELY find a way to use complete "nonsense" as legal sense.
Posted by: americaningermany at December 4, 2006 07:30 PM
Islam is designed to destroy anything different. As for individuals Quranic texts are quite clear. Destroy the entity and kill the infidel. http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx?g=405
Muslims, who follow the barbaric texts, demonstrate these barbaric and blood-thirsty traits on a daily baisis,
So you are right, americaningermany, muslims will SURELY find a way to use complete "nonsense" as legal sense.
By the way, when are you coming back to USof A? You know the Statue of Liberty needs you badly.
There is a logical answer to CAIR's concerns on the supposedly hate-mongering Mr. Prager: The U.S. Holocaust Museum should dip into its archives and examine/exhibit the role of Muslim leaders and masses in advancing the Holocaust. This should include:
Anti-Jewish riots in North Africa and Palestine;
Arab pressure on the Brits resulting in the infamous White Paper preventing Jews from escaping Europe via Palestine;
Open support for Hitler from the leading Palestinian Muslim cleric, the Jerusalem Mufti, including plans to set up a concentration camp in Nablus;
Hosting/hiding numerous Nazi criminals after the war.
There were 17 concentration camps where Jews were interned in Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia. I'll give 'em a pass since they were set up under the rule of Vichy France.
If there is one thing i am most certain of it's these people,the muslims use of the word hypocrite. Correct me if i am wrong but isn't islam built on hypocrosy?
Posted by: Dar al-harb at December 4, 2006 05:11 PM
The satan of islam is designed to decieve and oppress. The monster of islam consumes muslims on a daily basis. Fronts like CAIR, MAS and IRNA are just smoke-screens to hide the sinister goals of Islam.
Yes, Islam is an embodiment of hypocrisy.
The Whole point of being election to serve the people is this: You stand before GOD and swear, upon penalty of sinning against God, that you will uphold the constitution. If a man won't swear before God and show the people that he will accept the consequences should he fail to honor his oath, how can that person be trusted? If that person has no respect for God, then how will they have respect for anythign else? Thier word and testimony is automatically null and void.
The condition of affirmation came in to play when peopel who did not beleive in God wanted to run for office. While it is not necessary to beleive in God, a person SHOULD be willing to honor the majority of peopel in this country who do, and agree to make an oath or affirmation in the knowledge that 'should there be a God, then they will be held accountable should they break their oath or affirmation.' By doing this, you are standing before the pople, standing in the presence of God (whether you beleive it or not) and affirming your dedication under severe penalty.
It is VERY sad that people have so trivialized the oath that it no longer means anything. Politicians get in office and immediately break their oaths by attackign our constitution, and attacking people of faith trying to prevent their constitutional rights!
Ellison can swear in on anything he wishes BUT I assure ellison he WILL be standing before God and taking an oath, and God help him if he breaks that oath! Politions might not take the oath seriously anymore but I also assure Ellison God DOES take it seriously! http://sacredscoop.com
As an Englishman I am slightly offended, only very slightly offended you understand, by the use of the term 'mau-mau' because my grandparents lived through, survived through, the mau-mau rebellion in Kenya and I don't understand Robert's use of the word, or words, "mau-mau" in this context. Can anyone enlighten me here?
Dominic.
Gabriel the American- - MANY Christians ARE doers of the word- Many people ARE outspoken WHEN God moves them- being a doer doesn't mean everyone becomes a witness that stands on street corners and hands out tracts every day. God does indeed call soem to do that- however, the majority, God calls to study His word and to be ready when God moves and makes the opportunities available- that opportunity might only come once in a lifetime, or it might come several times a day. The Holy Spirit is the one whom God promisses that sanctifies us- we don't become Christ-like ourselves. The process of sanctification (which is different from salvation) is the sole responsibility of The Holy Spirit and it is a 'work in progress' so to speak- soem peopel are further along than others, but ALL are in the process of being sanctified as per God's promise.
Dominic,
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/mau%20mau
If I ever run for office and I get elected, can I be sworn in on a peeled off Miller Lite label?
...comments by Dennis Prager, a columnist and conservative talk radio host, displayed an intolerance toward Islam...
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
A very strange time to be alive. Remind me to pick up some rounds at Wal-Mart tomorrow.
If you ever run I will vote for you DC. You can swear in on a coaster if want.
PRCS/
Thanks. Got it. Just didn't understand. 'Two peoples separated by a common language' can sometimes be really true, can't it?
Dominic.
Dominic,
Kind of like saying 'I'm going to Xerox a copy'.
The Quran does nothing to advance human rights in a democratic, open, and free society.
The Quran is an enemy to freedom and has absolutely no place in an American swearing-in ceremony.
Dennis Prager had it right. Substituting the Bible for other religious books has no place in an American swearing in ceremony.
Dennis Prager should take his Quran and swear his allegaince to it in Pakistan not the United States.
CAIR has this to say as concerns the Pledge of Allegiance:
"Islam discourages acts of reverence to anything or anyone but God. Some Muslims may be hesitant to recite the pledge of allegiance. This, however, should not be taken as sign of disrespect to the symbol of the nation. Many Muslims parents teach their children to stand up but not to recite the pledge."
The Pledge of Allegiance (with the "under God" addendum:
I pledge allegiance
To the flag of the United States
And to the Republic for which it stands
One nation, under God, indivisible
With liberty and justice for all.
The flag stands for the Republic. If Moslems find it is against the koran to pledge allegiance to the Republic--that is to the United States, then, they do not belong in this country--neither as citizens nor as immigrants. CAIR is an un-American organization--it according to one of its spokespeople (Hooper) wants to make the United States into an Islamic nation. It cannot do that without compromising the Constitution, as the koran and sharia are incompatible with it. Hence, it is long past time that CAIR be declared an organization that seeks the overthrown of the United States government and as such is subversive.
PRCS/
Still, it's a nasty use of the word(s) and obviously seeks to denigrate we British, if you think about it. It cheapens and ridicules our fight for freedom and democracy in Kenya from 1952 to 1960. Nasty and typically anti-British!
I object, Robert! I think that your use of this/these word/s denigrates very brave men and women who fought for freedom in the face of an anti-democratic, racist and communist, insurgency.
But then, that's just my interpretation of history, isn't it? And we all know that a white perspective on history has to be wrong, doesn't it?
Dominic.
Ooops. Typo
I meant to write Rep.elect Keith Ellison- not Dennis Prager- should take his Quran and swear his allegaince to it in Pakistan not the United States.
While Robert in his post links to a thread from DW that publicized a noteworthy triumph for sanity in the area of sworn oaths, we are fighting a losing battle in trying to maintain the Holy Bible as normative, and I don't know what difference it makes anyway, much as it pains me as a Catholic to admit it. Although I appreciate Prager’s passion and his regard for shared Judeo-Christian traditions (he points out that he is a Jew who swears by swearing on the New Testament!) I can't feel too outraged about the subject myself, since fact is agnostics, perjurers, and Satanists swear oaths on the Bible all the time, and it doesn't mean anything. Likewise, CAIR’s protest against Prager to the Holocaust Council is good for a chuckle, but nothing to get your panties in a wad about. At any rate, as I say, defending the swearing of public oaths exclusively on the scriptures is for now a losing battle, as revealed in this overview of various recent contests to traditional practice:
http://www.pluralism.org/news/index.php?xref=Oaths+on+the+Qur'an&sort=DESC#headline11408
Please note that the ACLU has been on this issue like white on rice long before anyone knew who Keith Ellison was, except for those nut balls in the one state that could elect both Ellison and Jesse "The Bod" Ventura to public office.
HAID
On another topic...perhaps the achilles heal of the Islamic states: fresh water
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=120745&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16
I am huge fan of Prager. I dont think CAIR could have chosen a worse target then Dennis to go after. As stated above, Prager is genius with his approach to topics such as this. His arguments are so well thought out, so understandable, so simple, so pure. The ball is in Dennis' court right now. It will be interesting to see if wants to take this further.
Note to CAIR: Dont pull on Superman's cape.
"Why Dubai? Because I am excited about the challenge of transforming a desert terrain into a world-class golf course," -Tiger Woods
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/12-03-2006/0004484142&EDATE=
Great link Abby. Our friend Tiger is planning on turning a 25 million square foot piece of sand into a tropical oasis.
Here’s some math:
A 6,000 s.f. lot uses 8,000 gallons per month in the winter and 30,000 gallons per month in the summer. The difference (22,000 gallons per month) is due to irrigation in a semi arid climate. It’s a safe assumption that the irrigation requirements will be much higher in the UAE.
Tiger’s 25 million square foot ‘improvement’ would use about one hundred million gallons of fresh water per month for irrigation alone that is already spoken for. Look a little deeper into the costs of desalination, and who does it (GE and Siemens), and things get interesting.
CAIR's members are Islamic (or "Islamist") terrorists and terrorism supporters. That is a fact (or is it an "open secret?") which we are all aware of by now--or at least should be. Ellison is likely among the ranks of these. So it should come as no surprise that CAIR is going to use every unfair tactic it can use to waylay Islamosavvy individuals (MY TERM) like Prager from getting the truth out about Islam and its ideology to the American people. We at Jihad Watch must respond to this challenge proactively! "Now is the time for strength and resolution"-Margaret Thatcher. We will need plenty of strength and resolution to expose Islam for what it is to the masses and that is institutionalized murder that is based in totalitarian and pseudo-religious ideology.
Being prejudiced against Islam and the Kuran is NOT a negative thing when it is clear that Islam and the Kuran teach first-degree murder against people who have been labeled and targeted as "infidels." The western democracies did not become the mainstay of human progress for all these centuries by allowing first-degree murder for ideological advancement and unproven declarations from "God." This is what CAIR is hiding from the American people and we need to prove that to the masses.
It is not "bigoted" in the least to point out that Islam teaches first degree murder and act accordingly. The public has a right to know this about Islam and they should have already been made aware of this by now. And certainly the American people have a right to know that the Muslim world is plotting to massacre them and Judeo-Christianism off the face of the planet. And, yes, it is curious indeed that liberals find fault with prejudice against Islam's agenda and not with the agenda itself--an agenda includes genocide against non-Muslims everywhere just as the Kuran teaches. The libs are assisting the Muslims in this regard and they must be dealt with too, soon.
And just what IS so prejudiced about declaring it unethical to swear upon a book that teaches totalitarianism and first-degree murder as a natural human activity??????? And why would that be so????
ps-America is a predominantly Christian country and there is nothing wrong with defending that against the institutionalized murder that is and always has been Islam.
Deliver us all from Islam!!!!
i am willing to bet the entire incident was manufactured by the legislators that were just elected,cair and thease religious leaders themselvesin in a efort to me certain that certain sects of Islam are above the law by using a faked incident and the manufacture of outrage that would make Democratsthink their is a groundswell of support to make certain that can do anything you want to use religious germination discrimination justified it. as long as your Muslim
A memo to CAIR: Religious intolerance is a lot less egregious than relying upon murder as a religious practice (which Islam DOES everywhere).
Islam's reliance upon killing non-Muslims says a lot more about who is really intolerant than anything America is or has ever done.
Besides, first-degree murder violates our legal codes!!! It does not belong here in America at all.
islamakapigeaters,
Careful, that's how conspiracy theories get started... *grin*
cheers,
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
The Rebuttal:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
U.S. HOLOCAUST MUSEUM URGED TO KEEP COUNCIL APOINTEE
(LOS ANGELES, 12/04/2006) - A prominent national education and action group today called for the support of a presidential appointee to the United States Holocaust Memorial Council after accusations of intolerance by a radical Islamist organization.
The United American Committee (UAC) urged that talk show host and columnist Dennis Prager be supported by all Americans for his recent appointment to the museum's council.
Controversy arose when the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), viewed as a radical Islamic organization by many, objected to a recent syndicated column by Prager in which he wrote that Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, should be prevented from taking his oath of office using the Koran.
"This goes beyond politics, regardless of one's political views and opinions of Dennis Prager we must support him as he endures a relentless smear campaign by this radical Islamist group. We must make a stand for freedom of speech in the face of the Islamists who would attempt to destroy our freedoms and who try to silence those who oppose them.” remarks UAC Chairman Jesse Petrilla.
In a letter to the United States Holocaust Memorial Council Chairman Fred S. Zeidman, the United American Committee wrote:
"We support Mr. Prager for courageously standing up to the threat of radical Islam that America is facing today. We can not allow radical groups to work to silence American journalists and commentators, and must continue to uphold the 1st Amendment and protect the freedoms that this nation holds dear. We thank you for having him on your council."
The United American Committee is a leading educational group dedicated to awakening the nation to the threats of radical Islam and works to educate Americans on the nature of Islamic extremism. Its mission is to fight the ideological aspects of the War on Terror to counter elements of radical Islam in America.
Contacts for the U.S. Holocaust Museum are as follows:
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
100 Raoul Wallenberg Place, SW
Washington, DC 20024-2126
Main telephone: (202) 488-0400
TTY: (202) 488-0406
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/council/
https://secure.ushmm.org/join/contact/main.php
Letters of support may also be emailed to Dennis Prager at dennisprager@dennisprager.com
##
The United American Committee
P.O. Box 3301
Burbank, CA 91508
Fax: (202) 478-0325
www.UnitedAmericanCommittee.org
info@unitedamericancommittee.org
This fellow being sworn into Congress is a side show compared to the big things out there. I personally don't care if he is using a Burpee's catelog or whatever. Remember, in our Constitution there is that line "No Religeous Test" and we either beleive it, or not. Now, the real Elephant in the Living Room is that Imams vs UAL charade being played out with the usual verminous collection of lawyers doing their thing. This is the exect set-up that allowed all nineteen homicidal maniacs to board those airliners on 9/11.
WASHINGTON - An Islamic civil rights group said Monday that a columnist who criticized Rep.-elect Keith Ellison's decision to use the Quran during his ceremonial swearing-in should be removed from the United States Holocaust Memorial Council.
Let's NEVER forget that CAIR is NOT a *civil rights* group. They are an islam-promotion group.. they are nothing but a bunch of sharia-mongers and THAT is what the media needs to start describing them as. That I bee Hooper already said he'd like to see sharia in the United States. Those are HIS words, not mine.
FIRE AND BRIMSTONE INDEED!!!
SWORDS AND GUNS!!!
RESISTANCE UNTIL THE LAST OF US IS DEAD!!!!
Which won't happen if we FIGHT!!!
Being prejudiced against Islam and the Kuran is NOT a negative thing when it is clear that Islam and the Kuran teach first-degree murder against people who have been labeled and targeted as "infidels." The western democracies did not become the mainstay of human progress for all these centuries by allowing first-degree murder for ideological advancement and unproven declarations from "God." This is what CAIR is hiding from the American people and we need to prove that to the masses.
KNOWLEDGE is NOT prejudice.
if I ever should get elected I'd like to be sworn in holding a good glass of scotch.. HELLO,
Ted the Red Kenndy.. :-P ..burp!
If text is necessary I'll procure a nice glass with engraved Yale insignia. BURP..!!
OT:
Islam at it's most TOLERANT & COMPASSIONATE;
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain
Also of note:
From 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide.
1979 - Iran Embassy Hostages
1983 - Beirut, Lebanon Embassy
1983 - Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks
1985 - TWA 847 hijacking
1988 - Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight
1993 - WTC bombing
1996 - Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Kh! obar Towers
1998 - Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy
1998 - Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy
2000 - USS Cole Bombing
2001 - 911 attacks
2002 - Bali Nightclub Bombing
2004 - Madrid Bombing
2005 - London Bombing
" Islam, The Religion of PEACE "
Coming to a Neighborhood near you.
Rep.elect Keith Ellison wants to be sworn in with his hand on a koran, and speak a oath to defend and protect the United States, while his hand is on a book that tells him it is O.K. to lie to the people who do not follow what faith he follows.
Got it.
Now, how much will Speaker Nancy be able to get from him to promote the Dems agenda? It will be interesting seeing them work beside this follower of islam, and see if they begin to learn somthing about islam.
Dear Holocost Museum,
Drop Prager or we will rape and behead your wives and daughters in your presence before we slowly starve you to death and burn you in a oven.
Signed: CAIR
(hahaha)
He was voted by the people of Minnesota
Sorta kinda. In the Soviet style plebicite held here every two yrs, he was indeed voted in by the obeisant registered voters of Mpls, but his selection was really made by the ruling elites of this town, who with their Pinko newspaper, TV stations, and DFL party, make damned sure that no good politician hold this seat.
My guess is that Ellison was crowned in the living room of a mansion somewhere on the banks of the Lake of the Isles. The pious wealthy at the ceremony no doubt wept at how awesome they were being for putting a Moslem in our once great Congress.
Poor misunderstood Minnesota Moslems.
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What does everybody expect him to do? Swear on the Bible, Swear on the Constitution, you must be soooo naive.
Sitting in the heart of the 6th Congressional District as I type, your logic is faulty. We don’t expect Ellison to do anything. He’s just another self-referential ass with a sub-90 IQ. Pulling a reverse Obama, he bumped up from one qualification to two with his conversion, and that about wraps things up for Keith.
What we expect is for his colleagues in the House to pass a resolution rejecting the use of the Koran because it would so obviously result in a false oath.
Ellison’s loyalty to the Constitution is already suspect; why institutioanlize that?
Hopper and CAIR are frauds and they don't really understand human nature and that will undo them. The real basis of human to human communication and love is based on trust and respect. We cannot love anyone or anything we do not trust and respect. All Hopper and CAIR have is the emptiness of deceit and the will to inspire fear. That only produces flight or fight. In evaluating the character of Dennis, I predict he will dig in and fight because of his honesty and self-respect. Dennis is trustworthy and worthy of great respect because of his authenticity and creativity. He's a man of good will.
God protect all men and women of good-will. God bless, guide and protect Dennis Prager. God will do that. I'm sure of it.
"The solution isn't to deny Mr. Ellison the right to take the oath on the Koran, It's to change the oath."
Exactly! I think that the first is to ask ourselves, 'what does the koran say about justice? about freedom (looking at our current experiences with the islamic nations? about women equal rights etc etc etc.
The issue is not whether koran is a religious book or not, but the credibility of the book.What has it done to the lives of the people who have practiced its dictates and the nations that have followed its laws? Much of the US foundation is based on the Bible and it has prospered for it. This is because, the Bible on its own, without any man's help has proved that its practice brings peace and prosperity to the people.
Look at the nations that have followed the dictates of the koran, what do we see?--violence, intolerance, subjugation of women, slavery, oppression of the minority etc eg: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Indonesia, Taliban, Syria etc Groups like Hizbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda etc are all following the teachings of the koran. They quote from it immensely. Is that the kind of nation that the US wants to be? I'm sure that if the threat we are seeing today existed before the US independence, it would have been enshrined in the constitution that the koran will never be used as a holy book.
Groups like CAIR are manipulating and using the US constitution to fight the US, so as to achieve their jihad of turning the US to become an Islamic nation. These are things you can never mention in countries controlled by the teachings of the koran. I think that radical changes need to take place among the American public as it concerns redefinitions of freedom and all that.
The work that JW is doing is actually the starting point of that enlightenment. When more people become aware of the menace islam is causing, nobody will want to vote a moslem into a political office any more. It's a great battle that will take time.
"The solution isn't to deny Mr. Ellison the right to take the oath on the Koran, It's to change the oath."
Exactly! I think that the first is to ask ourselves, 'what does the koran say about justice? about freedom (looking at our current experiences with the islamic nations? about women equal rights etc etc etc.
The issue is not whether koran is a religious book or not, but the credibility of the book.What has it done to the lives of the people who have practiced its dictates and the nations that have followed its laws? Much of the US foundation is based on the Bible and it has prospered for it. This is because, the Bible on its own, without any man's help has proved that its practice brings peace and prosperity to the people.
Look at the nations that have followed the dictates of the koran, what do we see?--violence, intolerance, subjugation of women, slavery, oppression of the minority etc eg: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Indonesia, Taliban, Syria etc Groups like Hizbollah, Hamas, Al Qaeda etc are all following the teachings of the koran. They quote from it immensely. Is that the kind of nation that the US wants to be? I'm sure that if the threat we are seeing today existed before the US independence, it would have been enshrined in the constitution that the koran will never be used as a holy book.
Groups like CAIR are manipulating and using the US constitution to fight the US, so as to achieve their jihad of turning the US to become an Islamic nation. These are things you can never mention in countries controlled by the teachings of the koran. I think that radical changes need to take place among the American public as it concerns redefinitions of freedom and all that.
The work that JW is doing is actually the starting point of that enlightenment. When more people become aware of the menace islam is causing, nobody will want to vote a moslem into a political office any more. It's a great battle that will take time.
I never heard of Dennis Prager before. So now there are millions of Americans who have heard of him.
Good work CAIR. Keep it up. The more you point out your enemies, the louder their voices will be.
Those not so bright boys over at CAIR would do well to study some Amserican History. Like say the prohibition era. or the old days when schools told you not to read certain books.
We are SO perverse in this country that we can't get to the prohibited things fast enough.
Keep telling us what your against. It so helps our education.
They have to reword Mr. Ellison's oath because there's nothing in koran that supports the freedom we have in the constitution. Infact moslems in a lot of places call the constitution an idol and want to be under sharia rather. Let it be clear that he renounces th violence that koran teaches and supports.
I wish that men of noble minds will watch these men very carefully. This is because, they will want to use this opportunity to enact laws and pass bills that will make things easier for them in the future.
Islamist always have long term plans and goals. Look at the Lebanon flags that Hizbollah members were carrying instead of their own yellow color with the gun. They want to confuse the Lebanese public that they are patriotic. However, all these are part of the grand plan to take over Lebanon. By the time they are through, Gen Aao(or whatever you call him) will not be around to see that he has aligned himself with wrong people. All over the internet, in different Islamic websites, they bemoan Lebanon and dream of the day it will completely turn over into the hands of Moslems.
America, wake up from your slumber. Now they sound patriotic and 'human right defenders', but they have a long term goal of taking over America.
Nwachi
If I ever run for office and I get elected, can I be sworn in on a peeled off Miller Lite label?
Posted by: DCWatson at December 4, 2006 09:57 PM
didn't that all change?
Now you can be sworn in on the wikipedia with your hands on the keyboard.
They have to reword Mr. Ellison's oath because there's nothing in koran that supports the freedom we have in the constitution. Infact moslems in a lot of places call the constitution an idol and want to be under sharia rather. Let it be clear that he renounces th violence that koran teaches and supports.
I wish that men of noble minds will watch these men very carefully. This is because, they will want to use this opportunity to enact laws and pass bills that will make things easier for them in the future.
Islamist always have long term plans and goals. Look at the Lebanon flags that Hizbollah members were carrying instead of their own yellow color with the gun. They want to confuse the Lebanese public that they are patriotic. However, all these are part of the grand plan to take over Lebanon. By the time they are through, Gen Aao(or whatever you call him) will not be around to see that he has aligned himself with wrong people. All over the internet, in different Islamic websites, they bemoan Lebanon and dream of the day it will completely turn over into the hands of Moslems.
America, wake up from your slumber. Now they sound patriotic and 'human right defenders', but they have a long term goal of taking over America.
Nwachi
They have to reword Mr. Ellison's oath because there's nothing in koran that supports the freedom we have in the constitution. Infact moslems in a lot of places call the constitution an idol and want to be under sharia rather. Let it be clear that he renounces th violence that koran teaches and supports.
I wish that men of noble minds will watch these men very carefully. This is because, they will want to use this opportunity to enact laws and pass bills that will make things easier for them in the future.
Islamist always have long term plans and goals. Look at the Lebanon flags that Hizbollah members were carrying instead of their own yellow color with the gun. They want to confuse the Lebanese public that they are patriotic. However, all these are part of the grand plan to take over Lebanon. By the time they are through, Gen Aao(or whatever you call him) will not be around to see that he has aligned himself with wrong people. All over the internet, in different Islamic websites, they bemoan Lebanon and dream of the day it will completely turn over into the hands of Moslems.
America, wake up from your slumber. Now they sound patriotic and 'human right defenders', but they have a long term goal of taking over America.
Nwachi
Off topic news from down under:
Muslim boys urinated on Bible
'Jihad Jack' asks High Court to lift restrictions
Ummah News Links
I'm sending CAIR and the ACLU ( national and local) some Christmas cards this year.
Peace on earth, good will to men, muslim or otherwise - but death to islam.
"The Muslims really do have the Jews' best interests at heart."" ... from another post
Of course they do. They ARE the new Jews, doncha know? Or so they would position themselves via this calculated stunt.
" Off topic news from down under:
Muslim boys urinated on Bible
Posted by: ummahnewslinks "
Anyone want to take a guess at what the reaction would be ( worldwide ) if Christian boys Urinated on the Qu'ran ?
I can make a pretty educated guess .
Especially after we see how hey react to Cartoons.
Do unto others?
1. where does the term Mau Mau come from?
2. There are those that would say you could take an oath on a piece of toilet paper, if you worship toilet paper. Nobody is going to stand up for the bible oath, due to the modern misconception that there is a separation of church and state. Modern Americans seem to take this as a axiom, however, the constitution makes only the provision that the government shall not take any action that will establish an offical religion. Prager makes a good point that the constitution was founded on Judeo-Christian values, and as repect for those shared values, all oaths should be administered on the Bible. (regardless of how things are going, those values are still supported by the overwhelming majority of our citizens). Unfortunately for our country we are becoming so heterogenous, and so supporting of minority rights, that we will loose our shared values and what little threads hold our country togather. This may be a bigger threat to our nation state than any possed by the jihadists. If destruction be our lot, it must arise from within us, and we must be the author of our own destruction. As Lincoln stated, as a nation of freemen we must live through all times or die by suicide.
Now there's an idea. Water for oil! Relative value.ow cheap is gasoline in Saudi Arabia or Iraq (before the current war)? Seems I heard something a while back that gas sold for 25 cents a gallon in Sazddam's world. And in Venezuela, too. The Saudi's are the number one importer of Scandanavian spring water.
What if the West withheld this pipeline of fresh water from those who have jacked up the price of their own black crude?
1) Dennis Prager's objections to Keith Ellison being sworn in on a Koran were stupid and bigoted. Prager needs to remember he is not a Muslim, he is a Jew and he is an American, and he needs to set a higher standard of toleration than ayatollahs and imams. We're better than them. We shouldn't imitate them.
2) CAIR has no bloody business intervening in the affairs of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council. Unless they want to ask for more extensive attention paid to the massacre of the Armenians.
How about we allow them to be part of 21st Century Earth in exchange for oil. All they have to do is supply oil, and they can have technology to keep them from being the fifteenth century camel jockies that they are. They don't supply oil, and the trade embargos take place, and they revert back to their primative ways. It's as easy as that.
"Anyone want to take a guess at what the reaction would be ( worldwide ) if Christian boys Urinated on the Qu'ran?"
I'd guess that it is assumed by most Muslims that infidels uninate on qurans everyday just as something that infidels do. I wouldn't waste my time doing ANYTHING in regard to their "holy" book, whether it's respectible of not. Their manual of hate and murder isn't worthy of my viewing it.
Most infidels I know wouldn't give two-cents for a quran, to read, collect dust, or whatever. They'd rather read Rick Flair's autobiography.
And so we have it. The one thing both Muslims and Jews have in common: they both deny the devinity of Christ. Interesting. Very interesting. And not something I will soon forget.
Maybe Cair (supporting 1% of the population) and the ADL (supporting 2.5% of the population) should join forces?
To Karl Pov, (see above post)
Dennis Prager is as far away from a bigot as is possible for a human being. Listen closer and longer to him and pick another word. You are showing your stupidity and lack of understanding of the situation he is bringing to citizens of this great country regarding using the Quran IN PLACE OF the New Testament. He said he would have a non-issue if one placed the Koran WITH the Bible.
Before his recent gig, Dennis hosted a show years ago called "Religion on the Line" reaching out to all faiths. Calling each into question and proving he is as fair and balanced in his listening as it gets. Of course he has opinions. Yes, he is a Jew speaking for America. Not Jews, or Christians only, but those who love this country and it's traditions. God bless him and those like him that allow us to see that THE STOVE IS ON AND WE ARE IN THE POT! And it is unfortunatly unlike the melting pot we were once proud of as Americans.
Ashtung Baby! says:
"Maybe Cair (supporting 1% of the population) and the ADL (supporting 2.5% of the population) should join forces?"
Maybe you should find another place to spout your anti-semitic propaganda. Nobody here thinks that you have an intelligent point to be made. It's disgusting to me that you consider yourself to be a "Christian."
Infidel Brotherhood, sorry, I call 'em as I see 'em. I've liked a lot of what Dennis Prager has written, but I read his column on this subject and it was stupid and bigoted. Unfortunately many of the individuals writing here choose to imitate the intolerance of our enemies, and so admire Prager's nonsense.
Dominic and GrimReaper:
The origin of the term "mau-mau" is of course in the Kenyan revolt against British rule, as pointed out above. But it was popularized by Tom Wolfe in his 1970 book (actually two essays) "Radical Chic and Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers", a great send-up of the wealthy liberal/left elite and various "liberation movements" of the late '60s. I remember the book really made me squirm (as a left-leaning New York teenager) at the time.
Let words be carfully choosen Nihad Awad, CAIR's EX Director..Bigoted, intolerant,divisive views!
Dennis Prager has nothing compared to CAIR and Why Islam ? beliefs.
GAVE ME A LAUGH! Sadly
And say Nihad is CAIR tax exempt? I believe it is and if so it is costing me and I don't appreciate it. When in Rome and oh what's the use you just want to sack it and take the spoils.
The Truth about Muhammad
Founder of the World's Most Bigoted, Intolerant, Divisive Boy's Club.
material guy has it right. I would go further. One of the problems at the Holocaust Council, is that one of the official "historians" that they hired denied the Arab role in the Holocaust until protests came in about the role of the Mufti, Amin el-Husseini, in the Holocaust. [google: "amin el-husseini + nazis]. Apparently, the Holocaust Museum, under authority of the Council, has resisted admitting the truth about Arab Nazi sympathies, but reluctantly gave in to facts.
Some of these characters want to be "politically correct" so it seems.
Another thing, that Arabs/Muslims did was to require dhimmis [non-Muslims] to wear distinctive clothing to identify them as Jews or Christians or Zoroastrians. This set them up for harassment by Muslims who felt the need to be cruel to dhimmis, for whatever reason. [I make this point in response to some idiot named Klein who asked on his radio show about making Muslims in the US carry some sort of ID. The ignoramus compared this to the Nazi practice of making Jews wear an identifying badge. However, the practice of the "Jew's badge" goes way back in Islam.]
Whoops! I may have over-reacted to the 'mau-mau' thing. Anybody whom I may have offended, please accept my unconditional apologies.
Dominic.