Channel tunnel is jihad target

"The Channel tunnel has been targeted by a group of Islamic militant terrorists aiming to cause maximim carnage during the holiday season..."

Islamic militant terrorists.

Islamic militant terrorists.

Islamic militant terrorists.

Okay, can we now all agree that the words "Islamic", "militant" and "terrorists" go together and that the Islamists are against us and are planning our demise , please? And can we please act accordingly to protect ourselves?

Well, I'm sure terrorized. Doesn't that mean the terrorists won?

"The plotters are believed to be Western Europeans, possibly Britons of Pakistani descent."

Pardon? Could that be a typo? Since when did Pakistanis become Western Europeans? But the article is from the Britain's Guardian, so I guess we could expect that kind of multiculti hogwash.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah, everyone.

I'm going to have the happiest Christmas of my life because I am more appreciative than ever of my freedom.

Thank you to everyone at Jihad Watch for raising my awareness and educating me. Knowing the danger hasn't made me afraid; it has made me stronger and more determined to remain free.

I've been thru the Chunnel on 4 occassions and it is clearly awesome as you drive your car onto specially designed trains that allow for you to get out once the train is in motion from Folkstone, UK to Calaise, France or back. It is a bit expensive (nearly 100 pounds the last time I road it for a round trip. The French have had several attempts made by Illegals attempting to walk through the tunnel. One fellow made it some thirteen mile before he was caught last year. Security checks are extremely heavy but I don't know about the other chunnels that handle the Waterloo express train and tractor trucks.

Re: Channel tunnel is jihad target

The reason for all this deception-violence is that the belief-system must dominate. As Tariq Ramadan has pointed out, Kafirs are people who do "not recognise the last message as the truth." The perception that Kafirs do not recognize truth creates a whole array of rationalizations and perceptions re Kafirs that result in conscious and unconscious supremacist attitudes and behavior. Ultimately the belief-system would rationalize the Final Solution of the Kafir problem. What else can be done with people who do "not recognise the last message as the truth." People so blind deserve what they get. They are not innocent. They must be put in their place.

It must be marvelous to believe that you are someone with "the last message as the truth." It gives the believer a perception of Kafirs that makes deception-exploitation and violence against them holy.

Treating a belief as fact-truth is mental illness. Anyone involved in these threats against the tunnel should be put in straight-jackets and taken to psychiatric hospitals. The supremacist assumption that Kafirs are people who do "not recognise the last message as the truth" is a mental illness.

Dear All ,

Wishing You All A Very Intensely Fulfilling and Gratifyingly Merry Christmas !!!

It is Christmas Eve here. Am completely out of touch with news.

Treating a belief as fact-truth is mental illness.(*- Posted by: Frank at December 24, 2006 10:55 AM

Sure as hell it is a mental illness. The sick part of it is that there are about one billion folks who easily fit into that catagory. That thought is scary.

The plotters are believed to be Western Europeans, possibly Britons of Pakistani descent (*-

The UK media queen the BBC folks are always quoting that Pakistani community is so good. Are BBC fellows to be trusted after this news?

MusHuntCowboy-

I understand why Muslims do not permit alternative belief-systems to be studied and openly practiced in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the Muslim world. It is part of human nature to stick with something bad if there is no place to run to. People do not leave something to go to nothing. It's not the way people really behave. Even a beaten wife will stay with an abuser unless there is a place to go to for safety. If there is ever any real freedom of conscience and religion in the Muslim world, there will be a mass exodus from this belief-system. The clerics cannot afford alternatives. People who even think about that must be silenced or even killed.

It's really a meta-stable system. Though I'm not a scientist, I think I do understand the concept of meta-stability. In physics, it means that a system appears stable until some relatively minor outside force is introduced and then it goes into chaos. The reason for that appears to be that the meta-stable system is so rigid that it cannot accept variation without going into a very violent state. Iron, for example, is meta stable and brittle for that reason.

I first came across that term "meta-stable" when reading a book that discussed the USSR. It described the USSR as "meta-stable".

The Question is how far are we willing to go to break Islams will to commit these atrocities.
they come up with these horrible scenarios to get maximum casualties and to cause the West to be paralysed with fear.
what are we willing to do in response?

We have to be willing to match them eye for an eye . if they blow up the chunnel and kill thousands , we level downtown Tehran and all of their mosques(military headquarters)for example and cause just as much devastation. or even better we take out every single media outletthey have. we take out their Power, water, bridges, roads, in short we literally put their civilization where their mentality is, in the dark ages. we need to remove their ability to wage war by diverting their focus to basic survival. and we do it over and over again , till the Mythical moderates take control of their religion. they need to believe that for every terrorist attack that will be the response.

Concerned Canadian - the only problem with that is that you will turn the world against us. Contrary to left winger's thought now - the world is not against us now. But, brainstorming is a good thing.

Posted by: s_sgt7
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Well i agree that in the short term People may turn, but as things hit closer to home people have an amazing ability to see things differently. sooner or later this Terrorism will touch us all, and i think eventually people will lose patience and see the Barbarity and unflinching cruelty of Jihad and Islam and do what is neccessary.
are we there yet? , no way, but we will be oneday.
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Too bad Canada doesn't take a more proactive charge against this onslaught of the 'muslim hoards'. Do you really think you will be safe by ignoring the problem?

Posted by: s_sgt7
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I completely agree. the problem here is that Canada lives in a Bubble . it has not fought a REAL war in over 60 years and frankly Canadians have no idea . we have never suffered a Brutal terrorist attack. we have never experienced any of it. 911 shook us , but how soon we forget when it is not in your backyard. sad to say but i fear it will take a terrorist attack on Canadian soil to snap us out of our complacency. Canadians are not as passive as many think. i don't doubt for a minute that if thousands of Canadians get killed that we won't be out for Justice. Canada is one of the few Western Countries that has not been touched by the " Peace and Tolerance " of Islam , yet. we will , soon.

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If they get the USA, Europe - do you REALLY think they will leave you alone? All it will do is make it harder for you to fight because you will be more alone than you claim we are right now.

Posted by: s_sgt7

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I believe that a terrorist attack here is innevitable. it's overdue and that will be the Catalyst for waking up my Countrymen. i hope. I know when the chips are down Canada will stand shoulder to shoulder with the US and the European Countries to fight this Scourge. but as i said we have not yet been woken up. Canadians are peaceful an liberal to a Fault( which is kinda sad, as this is a Beautiful culture) but everyone has their breaking point. the US is reaching it's and Canada will reach it's own one day.

I have faith.

An off topic "Uh huh..."

Kuwait court jails two women for raping man

Ummah News Links

'indicates that the tip-off came from the American CIA'

*sigh* Probably the Last piece of info pelosi, kucinich, conyers, reyes et al will allow that EVIL organization to pass on to other governments.

With their intent to extend oversight to Kafka-esque levels, such info will likely take months instead of weeks to get to the right people- and will probably show up in the NYT first.

s_sgt7, I'd have to say that the politicians and their complete uneducation on Islam is the nearer threat. these people make policy but have no idea what Jihad Really means. what Sharia is, Dhimmitude, and with most westerners the Qu'ran is a complete mystery. they let Moderates ( The Silent Killers) educate them , Falsely about what Islam is supposed to mean. they need people like Robert Spencer and Danial Pipes to tell them the FACTS.

anyhoo,

Merry Christmas all.

'the plan was put together in Pakistan,"

l would place this cesspoolstan in the same evil league as iran and saudi. when will will the west wake up.

Too bad Canada doesn't take a more proactive charge against this onslaught of the 'muslim hoards'. Do you really think you will be safe by ignoring the problem?"
s_sgt7, you have to see what Cdns read such as the Toronto Star, is so damm far to the left, they are not shy about what they say, and no one will speak against their slant. then you have the government run CBC, much like the BBC is far to the left.
myself living by the border, and able to listen to talk radio, computer, and our paper run by Conrad Black who is very conservative, and our paper is still quite middle of the right. the Tronto Sun and Global papers are only good for my bird's cage.

ZenaWarriorPrincess, not to be making excuses here , but that's a product of Isolation and having no first hand experiences in these matters. it's easy to preach Peace and Tolerance and see aggressors as victims and all that good stuff when you have no personal experience. i assure you not all Canadians buy into that stuff. ( case in point) Western Canada is a lot less Liberal when it comes to Ottawa's policy .

As the Eurostar sets prematurely, as all sorts of Muslim bulls are readying the gang-rape of Europa (nice title for a tableau: "The Gang-Rape of Europa"), and it is closing-time inthe gardens of the West (who said that -- Cyril Connolly?), one wonders if anyone at all among those who rule over us is inclined, at all, to do anything, at all, about it.

We are in dire need of a fearless leader. The trouble with Iraq seems to be the focus presently, yet there seems to be little will to forcefully end the conflict there. If we won't, or can't solve the smaller problem, it follows that the larger problems are going to be beyond our capacity to deal with.

When a Google image search shows George W. Bush holding hands with a Saudi Emir, the phrase "war on terror" rings a little hollow. Tony Blair has recently been forbidden to even mention the "war on terror". That's strike two. What other western leader is there to lead us?

Problems like Iran and North Korea are looming on the horizon, but we are consumed with the Iraqi skirmish, and there's no end in sight. Well, except for "cut and run", that is. Pakistan has been given a free pass ever since bin Laden fled Afghanistan.

Until we pro-actively seek to bring about an end to the smaller conflicts, we're going to be overwhelmed by the bigger ones in the near future. Being chided by the peaceniks, the media and the UN is all it takes for us to back down. If this remains to be the case, we won't win any of the coming conflicts.

There is a way, but there's little will.

Concerned Canadian are you from "Western Canada"? l know people from most provinces, and BC especially Vancouver is so far left looney, they can hold a match with any eruo wienne leftist. l once went into a book store a few months after the US went into Iraq, and this book store had every leftist book out, anti US, michael moore crap, pro cuba, pro pali, out on their booksshelves. l went up to the owner and asked do you have any pro US, pro Western value's books? he looked at me puzzled and l lauged in his face, said told him was a bigot to his face and of course left his store lol.. when you get away from Vancouver, it does get more normal. Alberta is unique and Sask. close to it. Manitoba is very left with NDP's founder commie Tommy Douglas, a man of good heart but not enough common sense to see the shallowness of his commuinist tendencies that would cripple this country. Toronto is lost and so surrounding area have to be depended on the vote conservative. Quebec and Maritimes are lost as well, they depend on the welfare state, mainly from the coffers of Alberta and Ontario.

Speaking of Canada...

Yesterday my husband drove past the Indigo book store on Bloor Street (near Yonge St.). There were "pro-Palestinian" picketers outside the store trying to prevent people from entering. Their signs were protesting Indigo owner Heather Reisman (who is Jewish) for supporting "apartheid Israel". Too bad my husband didn't have his camera handy.

I think that's harassment. As a private individual, Heather Reisman can support whichever country she chooses. They weren't picketing her for banning books. The only book her stores won't carry is Mein Kampf. Hmmmm, come to think of it, isn't that a favourite best-seller in Muslim countries?

Anyway, the picketers weren't featured on CTV's six o'clock news report yesterday.

ZenaWarriorPrincess,

It has been a few years since I visited Toronto. Has it really gotten that bad? I'd hate to think so, but I do know that the communists were working hard in those areas during the cold war, and were instrumental in a lot of political changes...

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

"can we now all agree that the words "Islamic", "militant" and "terrorists" go together...?"

No, not yet. The PC Multiculturalist Template -- which is still dominant and mainstream -- can easily eat that data, digest it and excrete a harmless Islam and a harmless Vast Majority of Moderate Muslims, along with a tidy Tiny Minority of Extremists Who Have Hijacked Islam, out its other end for mass consumption and distribution -- wrapped with nice bows in time for the holiday season.

Dear Lord, please let them succeed in putting the Channel Tunnel out of action - permanently. They will be doing us two huge favours. One, they will automatically make it harder for illegal immigrants (including Muslims) to get into the UK, and two, we will once again be an Island with no land border - so it will be less convenient for our Civil Servants to go to Brussels to betray their country to its enemy the EU.

I cannot think of a better Christmas present than for the Jihadists to cut us off fom the Continent of Europe.

Hugh-

You are a smart fellow, but I think the bulls may be bull. Things don't usually turn out the way we think they will. It certainly did not turn out well for the 1,000 year Reich. Most American generals in Sept 1941 told FDR the Russians were finished, but things turned out differently in 1945. The USSR was crowing in the 1970's and twenty years later USSR was no more. Most sports writers in 1969 predicted the Mets would finish no higher than 3rd place and probably would finish in last place. The "Miracle Mets" won the World Series.

I will worry when I see hubris all over the place. Meanwhile, I see you painting a dark picture for the Mets. That's ok because fear of losing and the feeling that it's necessary to catch-up is a good motivator.

" . . . the plan was put together in Pakistan and is being directed from there."

. . . and the Pakis in the UK are supposed to carry it out.

Pakistan is G. W. Bush's ally and the UK Pakis are "Western Europeans."

Something appears to be wrong there.

ZenaWarriorPrincess, I live in Calgary Alberta.

I've noticed many posts in JW and DW that mock the MSM's term "moderate moslems" and wonder why, if they exist, they don't speak out against the radicals. Well, I believe that most moslems (possibly a "vast majority", possibly in numbers not so vast) are moderates, and want nothing to do with terrorist murderers. They don't speak out because they are afraid to, they see what happens to the rare few that do: beheadings, murders of family members, beatings, rapes, etc. In some moslem countries the government itself is the source of the intimidation, in others it leaves the dirty work to terrorist gangs that the government can disavow but can't ever seem to catch. And so the moderates lie low and keep their thoughts to themselves; it's not healthy to do otherwise. In the Third Reich many Germans (maybe most) did not support the Nazis, but it was definitely not prudent to say so. Most people are neither saints nor heroes. Even in western countries under the rule of law, the radical moslems effectively intimidate any moderates who come along, and our cowardly governments do little to stop this.

Islamic society is very brittle; it rests on the assumption that the Koran is the direct word of the Almighty. Any suggestion that it doesn't make sense, or that parts of it contradict other parts, or that maybe there are more "Satanic verses", or that parts of it are strangely tailored to answer Mohammed's lusts of the moment must be met with quick and effective repression. To allow such suggestions to stand could quickly bring the whole thing down. Islamic countries are like big glass houses, where even a few thrown stones can cause a lot of damage. So savage repression is the order of the day. The moderates know this, and so they keep their mouths shut.

Not speaking out , out of fear, or whatever is not a Valid Excuse.

If you are Muslim you either denounce Terrorism or you are an Apathetic/complacent accomplice.
Moderates are a Myth. i see Muslims Burn effigies with such Ferver over all things that anger them , yet i have never seen a Muslim burn an Effigie of Osama , or any Radical.

Curious.

just as NO German was innocent in WWII , No Muslim IS Innocent in a world of Islamic Militant Terrorism.

Islam needs to be reformed or destroyed.

Only Children are innocent.

ebonystone,

I think that a significant portion from among the Muslim population you categorize as prudently afraid in fact is composed of Muslims who are co-dependently passively enabling the more authentically extremist Muslims.

What do I mean by "co-dependently passively enabling "?

An analogy would be a household where the husband is a tyrant who beats the wife and beats and sodomizes his children. In this analogy, the evil husband is the Muslim extremist. Now, in my analogy, we have a wife who not only does nothing to protect herself and her children, but she even goes so far as to defend the husband when he is criticized: "He's not so bad all the time; sure he explodes once in a while and he orders us around, but we have our warm moments, and I think he loves us in his own way, etc."

A different analogy would be the wife who is deathly afraid of her husband and fears that if she leaves he will hunt her down and kill her and her children. But that is not my analogy. My analogy is of a wife who makes excuses for the husband, and thereby continues to enable him and his abuse of her family. That type of mentality I think, as I said, constitutes a significant portion of the Muslims who are among that "vast majority" you speak of. How many is a "significant portion"? I don't know, but it seems rational to conclude that:

1) it is too much, however you slice it;

2) we can't tell the difference between the ones who are afraid and therefore remediable if only they could escape, and the ones whose psychology is so twisted by their Stockholm Syndrome and attachment to their Qur'an and their precious Prophet Mohammed that they are, in effect, enabling and supporting the Enemy;

and, finally,

3) it shouldn't be up to us to perform the complex sociological operation of winnowing out the Muslims who could conceivably be on our side, and the ones who are pursuing lifestyles that enable and support the Enemy: the stakes are too high.

I think that a significant portion from among the Muslim population you categorize as prudently afraid in fact is composed of Muslims who are co-dependently passively enabling the more authentically extremist Muslims.

Posted by: remote_control

Remote control, I would agree that a portion of my "moderates" are indeed your "passive enablers". I would guess (and hope) that the portion is smaller than you suggest. But then islam is such a nasty set of beliefs that you might be right.
I guess my main point was that, left to their own devices in a free country under the rule of law, with access to a free press and a real education, most moslems (like most Christians) would be active in their faith only a few times a year, for the big holidays (like Christmas and Easter) and the big family events like weddings and funerals.
And, as you say, it shouldn't be up to us to sort them out.

" it shouldn't be up to us to sort them out "

Truth.

But it WILL be us who has to sort them out. The West will have to address and deal with the issues in Islam that Islam itself has been unable/willing to address within itself . That is because Islam itself cannot be reformed or criticised. Islam will ultimately have to be Brought down. it may take a hundred years and millions more lives , but i think that ultimately it is a Foregone conclusion.

The Responsibility for the Fate of Islam is ultimately in the Hands of Muslims.

Choose Wisely

If you are Muslim you either denounce Terrorism or you are an Apathetic/complacent accomplice.
Moderates are a Myth
Posted by: Concerned Canadian

Twenty or thirty years ago, an acquaintance of mine, named Tom, left a local restaurant one evening, and in the parking lot found a couple, both friends of his, having one heck of an argument. If it wasn't physical yet, it was about to become so. As a friend, he intervened, and urged them to calm down. They both told him to get lost. He persevered, and when he did so, one of them (the husband, I think) drew a pistol, and shot and killed him. So, Tom could have ignored the affair and been a LIVE apathetic accomplice, and they might have spent the night in the town lock-up. Instead, he became a DEAD denouncer of terrorism, and one of them spent years in prison.

Tom could have ignored the affair and been a LIVE apathetic accomplice, and they might have spent the night in the town lock-up. Instead, he became a DEAD denouncer of terrorism, and one of them spent years in prison.

Posted by: ebonystone

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Was there violence involved or was Tom just intervening in a Heated dispute?

Now let's assume that Violence DID play an issue.
( cause otherwise the point is moot. Radical Islamists are murderers)

So who was wrong? was Tom wrong to do what was right, and trying to intervene, though costing him his life? but none the less , commiting a just act? and not accepting it as NOT his concern or business, or not acting out of fear?

Or

Was the Person who pulled out the Gun
( an Entirely innaprpriate response ) and Killed someone who was trying to keep the peace wrong?
are we blaming the victim again?

I'd say Tom was correct in his convictions, and though it put him in peril, did what was right.

"The only thing necessary for the truimph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

~ Edmund Burke

The world needs more Tom's

"But it WILL be us who has to sort them out."

What I meant was that we shouldn't preoccupy ourselves with the laborious and exceedingly difficult fine-tuning discrimination involved in weeding out the harmless Muslims from the dangerous ones; rather, we should treat them as dangerous en bloc. The alternative would be too risky for our own innocent lives.

Absolutely remote_control.

I think we are in agreement here. by" sorting out" i meant doing what we WILL have to do to stop the threat. It's Islam, and the mythical moderates choice to change what is wrong with Islam. but Islam does not permit criticism of itself or change . that's why they are in the same place Muhammad left them. that's what i meant by " it WILL be us who sorts them out "
they wll force our hand, then blame us of course. lol

I think i have a better chance of spotting a Unicorn , than seeing a VOCAL and Outspoken Muslim Critic of Terrorism or Islam's Hateful Doctrine.

The plotters are believed to be Western Europeans possibly of Pakistani decent.

What an example of oxymoronic PC Drivel,next they be telling us that they have integrated with British society.

Anyway

OT a Christmas Veil Tale

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/24122006/325/man-attacked-wife-s-veil-comment.html

Just goes to show that veil is an anagram of EVIL and one letter away from DEVIL.

remote_control,
You said,
3) it shouldn't be up to us to perform the complex sociological operation of winnowing out the Muslims who could conceivably be on our side, and the ones who are pursuing lifestyles that enable and support the Enemy: the stakes are too high.

Agree with you. But when our leaders do wake up, they are going to try this. It is not their lives that are on the line. They are well protected. Us common people will suffer the consequences.

Can this be true? Something that is clearly against the law in Britain is not going to be touched.

http://civoc.com/society/?p=59

It has been a few years since I visited Toronto. Has it really gotten that bad?
Bulldog, Toronto is going downhilll and there is a huge flight of Cdn out of the area. Mississauga a suburb of Toronto is as bad if not worse, the liberal MP now independent is so anti US,Israel, they booted her out of the liberal party. its a big mess anywhere, and you can hear the shipon and sound of tax dollars ending in Toronto.
And Concerned Canadian, you sound like a lot of my fiends from Alberta, l see that in your words. Calgary is such a neat place. l live south of Detroit, which is SW Ontario, we all hate Toronto and Ottawa here, unless your a Maple Leaf fan. Between Detroit and Toronto we have a large influx of immigrants, which contain too many muslims that are so typical percieved victims. A high school teacher who is a close friend of my brother in law witness a horde of high school muslims students celebrating with the news of 9/11 in his classroom. needless to say it woke him up to their treachery and sick cult of death.

"Well, I believe that most moslems (possibly a "vast majority", possibly in numbers not so vast) are moderates, and want nothing to do with terrorist murderers. They don't speak out because they are afraid to, they see what happens to the rare few that do: beheadings, murders of family members, beatings, rapes, etc."

NOT TRUE. Several studies have been conducted and one thing is very clear; the Muslims consider themselves Muslims to be Muslims before they consider themselves citizens of their host countries. Muslims behead,kill,rape,and terrorize everyone on the planet, including their own, this is true..IF "vast majority" of Muslims were moderate, you would see more condemning the ongoing sensless violence by the "radical" Muslims. But it does not happen! Every day you find more and more proof that Islam is a flawed religion (if it is a religion), yet , few in the "religion" find fault and even fewer argue for Islam to seek peaceful resolution to problems. The way of Islam is through indoctrination, mind control, fear, terror, death; Islam controls its members to such an extent they are "scared to death" , if they decide to change religions; "scared to death" if it appears they have "committed" an infraction of one of the many insane Muslim "laws",(expect a visit from the religious police); "scared to death" if they show they have a sense of humor (Muslims showing a sense of humor has been beheaded, killed, had their eyes gouged out, tongues cut out, and bodies mutilated)--only because they sought a smile. The same treatment has been applied to those Muslims caught talking to a Christian, teaching school, attending school, medically treating a non-Muslim, being married, getting divorced,or even just working in a market.

If the "vast majority" of Muslims were "moderate", you would see more of an uproar against Muslim violence, but you don't.
The truth is that Muslims are quietly trying to consume the earth and devour all that resist.

If you think "vast Majority" of Muslims are moderate, just go to any Muslim majority neighborhood and try to co-exist. It won't happen, you will be harrassed, intimidated, degraded , assaulted and possibly run out of town. Don't think so???, go try it.

Muslims love to blow up useful things like airplanes, trains, tunnels, and crowds. The Muslims have done all three. They will do it again. We must remain vigiliant. For those who are unobservant, Muslims love to target civilians, women and children. The higher the body count, the broader the smile on the Grand Ayatollah and the Grand Mufti you will see. There is no distinction between Moderate Muslim and Radical Muslim. They are all in the same boat.