December 7, 1946

Robert writes:

"May the courageous ones who fought to defend America, Britain, and Western Europe from the Axis scourge be blessed today. And may we prove to be their worthy sons and daughters.:

Amen to that!

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

The most important thing we can do to get Washington to adjust to the harsh reality that there is NO opting out of the global jihad war being waged against us is to write or call our representatives in Congress and the Senate repeatedly and explain to them what is really happening with Islam, why the global jihad cannot be ended peacefully, and that we have a huge conflict on our hands which will require all our resources to win.

In the words of my hero, Margaret Thatcher: "Now is the time for strength and resolution." Indeed, if there ever was such a time it is now!

"NO opting out of the globaljihad war being waged against us..."
-- from a posting above

But let it not be a war fought by the stolidly unimiginative who believe war is only a matterof bombs, tanks and guns (though those are often necessary), and where there is little place for intelligence and indeed ruthless intelligence. Let it be a war which seeks always to exploit pre-existing weaknesses in the enemy, to make sure that that enemy remains as divided as possible, on ethnic, sectarian, and economic lines, possesses as little major weaponry as possible, has to spend its own money and never can rely on the disguised Jizyah of foreign aid extracted from Infidels (as that $450 million now being planned at the U.N. for the "Palestinians" who should be allowed, of course, to get any damn money they please -- but only from fellow Muslims, not a cent from Infidels, and the same goes for Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, and all other Muslim states and peoples who forgot to be born with oil reserves).

And let Demonstration Projects, of Muslim violence and aggression, be allowed to be put on, by Muslims themselves, for the benefit of Infidels still unclear as to what Islam is all about.

Finally, let Infidels and Muslims alike be forced to make the connection between the political, economic, social, moral, and intellectual failures of Muslim states and societies suffused with Islam, and Islam itself. Let inshallah-fatalism explain the failure, despite the ten trillion dollars since 1973 in OPEC oil money, of Muslim states to establish modern economies. Let the Muslim despotisms be properly attributed to the belief, in Islam, that a ruler's legitimacy comes only from his being a Muslim, enforcing or following the strictures of Allah as set down in the Qur'an and glossed by the hadith, and not from any supposed grant of authority from the people, who after all do not count, for they are merely slaves, submissive to the will of Allah. Let the Muslim social failures, in the mistreatment of women and non-Muslims, be shown up, and the Muslim intellectual failures ("Whenever I listen to Mozart I feel I am betraying Islam" as one Arab intellectual wrote) that have led to such mental impoverishment, and such constraints on the free and skeptical inquiry necessary for science, and on so many different means of artistic expression (sculpture, all depictions of living creatures in painting, most music) that make "Islamic civlization" such a wretched thing. Let this be made clear, so that Muslims themselves will have to figure out where to put the blame, and some of them, at least, will have to, in fact, put it.

That is the outline of a war strategy.

The rest is filling in the details.

We are fighting the "war against terror". That phrase glosses over the real war.

It's really against Islam! Thats the enemy!

robert quoted
"Five years after Pearl Harbor, the war was over. The Third Reich was kaput. The Japanese were vanquished as well.

But five years and counting after 9/11, there is no victory in sight. There is not even much clarity about why we are fighting, or whom we are fighting.

you say 5 years robert but its not 5 years islamic terrorism has been around for hundreds of years.

the reason you do not know what your fighting is because no one is fighting islam or terrorism the only fighting thats happening is USA vs EUROPE
islam has become a tool for the leaders of the world to cause civil wars in other places so they can control those places for example usa doest like the EU so it pressures the EU to except turkey the usa knows that turkey will weaken europe just like the usa used islam to break up soviet union and to break up yugoslavia also the british have used islam as a tool to divide Cyprus becuase they couldnt stand the fact that Greeks wanted independence from the biritsh empire and now the british have a base in Cyprus ty to islam and usa have bases in kosovo thanks to muslims the usa also supports chechnya to become independent i think theres still a cold war going on also russia is helping iran to build nuclear power russia is helping islam to show it has influence in the middle east and probably to weaken america just like america wants to weaken russia

that is just my apinion

On Dec 7, 1941, we were attacked from outside by the Imperial Japanese Navy. We stopped immigration, tourism, student visas, and even did internment. There were few acts of internal attack during WWII.

On Sep 11, 2001, we were attacked from the inside by people living in America. We continued immigration, student visas, and tourism. Since then immigrants have transferred our generation III night vision and stealth to China. China already sells night vision generations I and II to all who are willing, presumably including to the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Anyone with information on night vision being used by insurgents, please post it.

On Sep 11, 2001, Pat Buchanan in name or intent was called a bigot as he was during the 1996 Republican Convention as the buildings burned. Peter Jennings and the MSM knew that the 19 hijackers would turn out to have some post 1996 immigrants. They preemptively attacked Buchanan and in effect the victims, for being bigots.

Its hard to imagine the radio networks on Dec 7 1941 broadcasts saying that anyone who wanted to stop immigration from Japan after the attacks was a bigot. That would not have made sense to the country.

They would have thought we have to protect our own people in time of war. We can't give the equivalent of night vision technology and stealth away during time of war. We can't have anyone but Americans in Ph.D. programs in physics in America or in the labs.

The MSM and Congress chose differently and the result is that since then our late generation night vision and stealth have gone to China, to eventually go to Iran and Pakistan and be used against our troops and allies. There are reports Iran supplied late generation night vision to Hezbollah and that this harmed Israel in the 2006 combat in Lebanon.

More along these lines is towards the middle of the following discussion:

Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group Fallacies

I WWI and WWII, America was strong and full of stamina; she fought like a boxing champion; not only with a powerful punch, but also with endurance. Today, America is an old boxer, still very strong, but lacks endurance. The weapon technology is strong, but the will to fight a long drawn war is lacking. The enemies know in short war American military make the military decisions, but as it is prolonged, every American citizen will make the decisions in their favor.

If the enemy can’t win the war in the field, he will bring the war into American living rooms through TV so that everyone one’s heart sink into his boots.

We lose not because pentagon says so, but, the citizens say so.

First step toward victory: trash "GWOT" and bring in "GWOI" instead.

But since we all know what that "I" stands for, and since we all know who among us are defending it with all their might...

Zeroth step toward victory: strip the Lord Haw Haws of their powers. Tell the now physically (but not mentally) grown-up Sixties Hippies they're welcome to go the whole unkosher mammal as Adam Gadahn did. They'd be a lot safer for the West then, because right now they're paralyzing its immune system from within. Kick them all out. This IS wartime right now.

Back then we did not:

* Refuse to acknowledge our enemy

* Misname the war

* Have an academy, media, and permanent government empathetic with the enemy

* Fight to protect a foreign public thast almost totally supports the enemy, and itself is indeed part of the enemy force

* Fight obstensible civilians who are actually soldiers

* Praise the enemy and the ideology that caused its soliders to attack us and its public to despise us

* Fund our enemy with handsome stipends

* Aid and abet our enemy with arms, munitions, and military training

* Suffer a feminized military command, both active and retired

* Have our allies in Europe not only abandon us to the fight, but actively work against us

* Depend on our enemy for our supply of our 3rd most valuable natural resource: oil (3rd after air and water)

* Have a seditious Congress that seems to be rooting against the USA

* Have a third rate President

* Have no understanding of what would constitute victory

* Misidentify a world war as a two local conflicts, now maybe three

* Import millions of our enemy into our country

* Give our imported enemies several types of welfare

* Import millions of our enemies into our universities for knowledge transfer

* Have our entertainment and curricula support our enemies and deride our way of life

A Congress full of whores and Bush.

Rober Spencer,

The Third Reich was kaput. The Japanese were vanquished as well. But you did not tell your people the North Korean was left intact.

No, Robert, we did not finish the war; therefore, it's still there festering.

We will not even begin to address the situation as long as there is discord, rancour and mistrust in the five permanent members of the security council.

"May the courageous ones who fought to defend America, Britain, and Western Europe from the Axis scourge be blessed today." --RS

And, in light of APG's list above, may the courageous ones fighting overseas today be equally blessed--for they are fighting like champions for a country that has forgotten itself.

ssa - What has Bush asked us to do to support the war effort? Very little beyond go to work and keep on shopping. He has not dsefined the enemy. He has not defined what victory will look like. He has not even issued a call for individuals to join the services! What sort of leadership is that? Can we expect the people to lead themselves? I remember when I was a kid another U.S. president tried to win a war with a "guns and butter" approach. How glad I am today that I did not have to personally sacrifice to go to that debacle. How angry I would be if I had lost a limb there.

Alarmed Pig Farmer you are completely right. Too bad you can't go and feed the weeds in Congress to your pigs.

like the "Lord of the Rings", there is an upcoming battle that will end the tyranny of islam. the author of these books wrote them l believe during the 30's and 40's. he knew the human condition of not giving up on freedom. May God bless the US and allies's military, "Let Freedom Ring"!

Clarity, thy name is Robert Spencer.

Re. How to win the ongoing GWOI:
From a post I just made concerning the traitor Keith Ellison's swearing-in:

We need to elect an HONEST and a PATRIOTIC President in 2008. Noone with an islamic middle name like Barack Hussein Obama. And noone with the middle name of Rodham either. LOL.

Nor do we need another Bush clone if we are to get out of this mess we are in.

It makes me laugh when the Repubo-bots like Limlaugh and Vanity keep blaming the "bush-haters" for the Dhims' victory in the midterms - rather than to think about all the bribery and influence-peddling that was going on. Besides, the Repubes weren't exactly stellar on border security and related issues either.

Stategical blundedring in the misnomered "war on terror" is not as good way to get a mandate for more either.

The Repubes should look inward and then go back to the Roots and don't forget your core constituency. You can never out-liberal the Dhims but that's what Bush&Co. been doing.

So the Reps and the Dems basically succeeded in sidelining the issues and concerns of a vast majority of the citizens of this country.

I'd love to see a study on the econmoic power of these voters who have now been effectively disenfranchised by both major parties.

Where do these voters go from now on?

Then figure in the many who held their noses "this one more time"...

Now THAT is a HUGE block of disgruntled folk!!

There is absolutely NO HOPE for the Dhimmicrats so the only hope we have is that Tom Tancredo or Mitt Romney can snag the Nomination.

I do NOT want to see another liberalist Republican who is backed by SOWdis and Big International Finance to take on either Obama or Rodham.

THEY will be running an in-your-face liberal either way or maybe even a combined ticket. America stands to be the loser if the only alternative to such a ticket is yet another slick 'N'greasy Big Oil candidate.

Rudy Giuliani also looks like an acceptably independent candidate.

REGARDING NIGHT VISION GOGGLES FROM NEAL BOORTZ WEBSITE:

GOTTA LOVE THE UNITED NATIONS!

It seems that Hezbollah had a bit of help in killing Israeli soldiers during their five-week war. The help came in the form of nifty little night vision goggles found by the IDF. How many? Try 250 sets found in a Hezbollah stronghold.

Now this may come as a bit of a surprise to you, but Hezbollah doesn't exactly have a manufacturing process cranking out these night vision goggles. The were made in England.

How, you ask, did they come to be in the possession of Hezbollah? It seems that these goggles were shipped from Great Britain to Iran in 2003 under a United Nations program to combat rampant drug smuggling in Iran.

So ... here's your chain of possession. From Great Britain to the United Nations. From the UN to Iran. From Iran to Hezbollah.

Any questions?

RE: Few in the Muslim world are willing, as he notes, to confront the deep roots that jihad violence has in the Islamic texts, and no one among the Western government or media elites is daring to ask them to do so.

This might seem a quibble, but would we not agree that instead of jihad having deep roots in the Islamic texts, that Islam itself is jihadic? (hey a new adjective!)

My point is that Muhammad was the first Islamic terrorist and there is nothing in Islam but terrorism to gain booty (be it wealth, territory or slaves (dhimmis)). The original Muslims were ALL terrorists.

ISLAM = JIHAD = ISLAM

The 'religious' part of it is a pure joke to any thoughtful, questioning person, but it is the means of controlling the vast majority of Muslims.

Ethelred

Wow!!
The whole World should read this article that brings such clarity. I would also like to see clarified specific "sacred" passages from the quran. That clearly points out "why" Islam is not like any other religion. I would like help with this. To bring widespread awareness to Islams specific "holy texts" that create such perverted and dangerous ideologies.
Merry Chrismas and very Happy Holidays to all.

Greek Gurl,

I can't help but agree with you. Everyone here like to point at Russia and say those bastards are selling missiles to Iran! But they never think that the US, Britain and France are doing the exact same thing to all of the Islamic players in the same region.

That is the real reason this war will never be won, we keep empowering our enemies at all cost. We fight wars against tactics like terror, but not against the ideology that fuels it.

Instead we give support to Turkey's entry into the EU, we give support to Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, yet no one gets upset about that.

Personally I don't get it, we have no choice but to call for a truce with Russia and stop supporting the Islamic elements amongst us.

Niv

Well written Robert. Keep it up. Hopefully, more people will realise what you're talking about.

Somewhere we (the US, Britain--the Allies of WWII) got off the track. The track is self-preservation, survival, freedom--the will to live. In WWII, we made no excuses for our enemies.

We did not made excuses for the Nazis, that they came into power because of the conditions in Germany after it lost WWI, the Versailles treaty, unemployment, etc.

We did not blink when Japanese-Americans were interned--some unjustly, because they were loyal Americans, others sympathized with Japan and were a risk. Decades later, another generation of Americans, threw up their hands in horror that such a thing was done. When you are at war, you do not take chances, even if the innocent must suffer. Today this attitude is abhorred.

In WWII, collateral casualties--civilians, be they workers in the enemies factories producing war materials or simply inhabitants of the enemy's country, did not stop military actions. Today, we want to fight--and win (do we?) without killing anybody but those bearing arms. We are horrified when children, women, and old men are killed and would rather sacrifice our military than take a chance at heavy collateral casualties.

We impose intolerable rules of engagement on our military (we have been doing that since Korea and Vietnam--wars which we lost.

The enemy are the people--men and women (and their children)--who want Islam to be the ideology enforced on us--on the world.

When the enemy lives in our midst we cannot allow him to use our laws against us, make demands, cheer when our troops incur heavy casualties.

After December 7, 1941, the US went to war. We interned enemy aliens, executed spies and saboteurs, outlawed enemy organizations in our country.

Today we do not have the stomach to do what must be done.

Unless we do so again, we will not win.

The jihadists have leap-frogged US military technology, and come after the American public psyche. Outright lies in the form of press conferences intended for western audiences (happily brokered by the likes of CNN), as well as videos proliferated through the internet of beheadings and executions, have mollified/frightened half of us into self-delusions about "opening dialog" with our enemies. Add to that the fact that politicians on both sides of the aisle are, by definition, public opinion whores, and you get the fuddled response to the conflict we're seeing now.

Unlike our tough, noble predecessors of WWII, we're just collectively soft. It won't be until Islam disrupts the average US citizen's blissful postmodern consumerism that resistance will become politically acceptable here. I just pray that it isn't too late by then.

Too bad you can't go and feed the weeds in Congress to your pigs.

What a great idea. I could throw in so many flavorings from a variety of sources:

* First, serve up to the hog Rep Murtha and Sens Kennedy, and Kerry to inject cowardice into the hog to make its adrenaline flow; this will infuse the pork meat with a tangy gaminess

* Feed the pig Rep Pelosi, Sen Clinton,and Sen Amy Klobuchar to waft their musks beneath its curious snout, and get it going

* Feed the hog Profs Esposito and Karen Armstrong so that the pig becomes delusional, believes itself to be Grade A Black Angus beef, and sells itself to slaughter at a premium

* Also feed the swine Sen Schumer, Sen Hagel, and Sen Biden to add a swirling admixture of oil

* Feed the pig Sen Obama and Rep Ellison to make the statement, “My meat is better than your meat”

* Feed it Rosie to boost the fat way up; increased fat gives more capacity to carry all these post-slaughter artificial flavorings

* Toss John Stewart, Conan O’Brien, and Steven Colbert into the hog trough to addle the hog, and make it easy to slaughter

* The hog gets to munch George Clooney, Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, and Paula Zahn to improve the presentation of the pork meat

Lastly, throw in Keith Obermann and out of pure spite; a spiteful hog is an intense hog

Alarmed Pig Farmer

Great post. Undo all the those that you point to, and we will have victory.

Muslims are not nazis. Why do you keep comparing us to them. Nazis raped and killed. In Islam is a man rapes he is stoned to death (a slow and painful death). We women are protected from rape, unlike virgin girls in christianity and judiasm. I know your bible and it disgusts me. I'm sorry to say but your book does not revere women no matter how much you lie and say it does.

Couldn't have said it better myself. http://conservativefuturist.blogspot.com

Thanks for the thoughts, Spencer!

Sister In Islam. ok sista, you will need four men to back up her story, and then the woman who got raped will get the lashes just like what happened to a woman in Saudi arabia, the victim was just sitting in a car and four men raped her.. yeah they felt sorry for her, and she will get a 100 lashes..you get your head out of corrupt book you call the koran, and your child rapist mohummad disgusts all who know the truth about islam.

Hey ‘Sister’:
I’m very sorry for you and the fog that seems to surround you. Renounce your false beliefs for the truth of Jesus!

"In Islam is a man rapes he is stoned to death (a slow and painful death). We women are protected from rape, unlike virgin girls in christianity and judiasm. I know your bible and it disgusts me. I'm sorry to say but your book does not revere women no matter how much you lie and say it does."
-- from a posting by what I assume is a convert, and not someone born into Islam, above

The only deaths by lapidation known to me are of women, often accused of adultery when, in fact, they may have been the victims of rape (it's a good way for the rapist to get off, and Islam is a man's religion, in the worst sense). How are women "protected from rape" if the charge can only be made upon the sworn testimony of four male witnesses? How often does one rape a women in the presence of four other men who are likely to testify against you? Aren't they likely to be the sort who will enjoy the spectacle, and egg you on, and even join in? It is almost impossible -- I know of no examples of any Muslim man under the Shari'a being condemned to death for rape. And as far as raping non-Muslim women -- well, that simply doesn't count. Surely the observed and recorded behavior of Muslim men in such Western European countries as France and Norway and Sweden, where they are responsible for something like 70% of the rapes, is instructive. Instructive about about the mores and manners of Muslim men. Apparently the sheer wonderfulness of Islam in regards to its treatment of women, and forbidding of rape, which is made much of by the Muslim poster above, who finds the Christian Bible "disgusting," has apparently been lost on Muslim men in Europe, where their behavior can, and in fact is, punished.

Sister in Islam,

You are right we should not compare you to Nazis, you are far worse than that.

The German people who fell under the Nazi embrace at least have shown remorse and guilt for the actions their people committed at one time.

The Islamic world shows no such remorse or feeling of human compassion. It does not allow itself to feel guilt as it is in your beliefs that you are superior, and everyone else is Kafur.

You are a brainwashed fool, how do you think you are protected from rape. In Pakistan today there are calls that an anti-rape law is un-Islamic and calls are out to repeal it.

Your people whenever they are told are violent, protest violently. You do not show respect to other cultures as equals, but demand that right when you are a minority. Islam is the fruit of ignorance and hate, and many in the world are fed up with it.

The Agia Sophia in Turkey is the most important Church to Orthodox Christians in the world, yet the Turks do not allow prayer in it, it is only allowed to be a museum. How would the Muslim's of the world feel if the pilgrimage to Mecca was not allowed to take place and that the sacred area be turned into a museum?

Please take your ignorance home with you and leave it there, we don't want it here.

Niv

Until we see Americans in the streets chanting "DEATH TO ISLAMOFASCISM" you can kiss this country goodbye.

And with the world allied against you, the only possible victory will be through nuclear war.... and we all lose.

Surrender Monkeys

Now we just need to turn Alarmed Pig Farmer's list, which is a good beginning, into Surrender Pigs.

Thanks exsgtbrown for the post on night vision ending up with Hezbollah courtesy of Iran.

I agree with unicorns62000

"Somewhere we (the US, Britain--the Allies of WWII) got off the track. The track is self-preservation, survival, freedom--the will to live."

FROM ABOVE:

we have no choice but to call for a truce with Russia

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Deuteronomy 22
22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to deathhh—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

I think that is disgusting. Please speak up if you don't find this last passage about virgin girls sick. Islam doesn't allow such vile treatment of women, but we will always have criminals. I am sorry that you continue in ignorance.

What sort of idiocy is it when a woman not born into Islam "reverts" to it? Infidel women who marry Muslims are in a special category of idiocy. "Sister_in_Islam" clearly is not conversant with Shari'a or the Qur'an. Usually one expects that a convert to a religion would take the time to really learn about it first. In Roman Catholicism one has to undergo a long process of catechesis (looking under the hood)before being either baptized and confirmed or simply confirmed (if one has already been baptized as a Christian belonging to another church). Catholic doctrine is explained at length. One is invited to spend time also looking at a fair amount of scripture as well.

As for the mind-numbing statistics of infidel women being raped in places like Malmo, Sweden, it is typical of Muslims to blame the victims. The perpetrators of the crime are never responsible for their acts.

I listened to GW Bush and Tony Blair this morning.
Both sounded thoroughly delusional. One kept referring to the "democratization" project in the Middle East -- as if this fellow has yet to hear about attempts at democracy in Algeria (prior to 9/11 which led to a protracted and bloody civil war); attempts at democracy in Lebanon (now Hezbollah is at the throat of the Christians); attempts at democracy in the terrorist entities currently occupying Israel (that's Hamas, al-asqa and a half-dozen other terrorist so-called political "parties" -- in reality, terrorist organizations with funding by the EU and UN); the attempts at democracy in Iraq (bringing to power anti-American milita groups -- thanks to U.S. taxpayers); etc. What more proof is needed that Democracy is NOT working in the Arab world -- what MORE is required to get the message across?? Decmocracy in the Arab world leads to Terrorists running the governments -- it does not lead to "civil" societies. How long will it take the Western leaders to come to this realization?

It is utter insanity to persist in this pipe-dream of "democratizing" societies/cultures which have ZERO interest in said project. Enough of this utter nonsense.

Arab "culure" is grounded in violence, barbarism, primitive vendettas, revenge = "honour", etc. The culture cannot be "reformed" by Americans -- it does not matter how many troops the U.S. sends into sink-holes like Iraq. The "culture" is corrupt and violent. And nothing the West does will alter that. Concessions and attempts to appease the Barbarians will NOT work. They consider such gestures as weakness and they simply up the ante. Give them a finger, and they'll take your arm. They need to be isolated like some cancerous disease.

exsgtbrown,

Does none of that post make any sense as to how to win this war? Or does cutting our nose off to spite our face make a better policy?

Niv

* Have our allies in Europe not only abandon us to the fight, but actively work against us

Alarmed pig farmer

Maybe you should read the history of the suez crises
America showed its true face that day.

and some historians say if nasser had been taken out we wouldnt have half the problems we have now.

One more thing. During World War II America had allies. Some were similar in political makeup. Great Britain. The Free French. The Resistance movements, with varying degrees of effectiveness, and the Partigiani in Italy (and the Italian troops who revolted against their German masters in Albania, Greece, Yugoslavia).
And the Soviet Union, which in the largest tank battle in history, at Kursk, managed in that one battle to kill 850,000 German soldiers, as many as were killed on Germany's Western Front.

Today, unable to grasp or to articulate the nature of the problem, and stumbling about with this "democracy" project in Iraq, we seem unable either to interest, or to sufficiently alarm, the states and peoples of Western Europe. They need to be alarmed. They should be alarmed. And so should Russians, including those that have a modicum of interest in keeping Russia as Russia, a place outside the grip of Islam. Such people exiset. They have to be found, cultivated, supported, appealed to. But it cannot be done if the American government is in the control of the naive, and if those naive are, still worse, under attack by those who are also naive, but comnpletely misguided, and in some cases malevolent, in their analysis, as certainly James Baker and Lee Hamilton were, though not all of their colleagues on the committee, mostly camouflage and potted plants, were.

A failure of leadership, rooted in a failure of intellect. (Baker and Hamilton, though not the useful covers provided them

"Muslims are not nazis. Why do you keep comparing us to them." -- poster child poster for Islam above.

Sister in Islam -- You're not exactly like Nazis. Just close. In some things you don't do just as well, in some things not as well, and in some things you exceed them in every way.

You lie more than, and far far better than any Nazis, yet you aren't as good at inventing things...

You display an ability to lie to yourselves far more than they lied to themselves, and you exhibit the ability to keep lying generation after generation about the 'wonders' of your clearly broken system of beliefs. The Nazis lasted barely a generation.

You outbreed the Nazis, yet you seem incapable of feeding and sustaining your own overgrown illiterate populations...

You out hate the Nazis in every category. Nazis largely limited their list of initial targets and scapegoats to Jews, Gays, and Communists. Muslims from the get go decided to take on the entirety of the so-called 'infidel' world...

The Nazis managed to annihilate perhaps 25,000,000 during their nightmarish reign -- Islam has murdered and enslaved, maimed and tortured human souls in the BILLIONS -- with no sign you've sickened yet from the slaughter. Words are just barely sufficient to describe the brutality of the Nazis.

There are no words to convey the extent of horrors unleashed on the world by the sadistic rise of blood stained Islam.

I could go on and on for pages, but I won't.

Sister in Islam,

The truth is that the Jewish/Christian faiths has always been good to women, compared to Islam, which from what I have studied, been very oppressive to women. Would it suprise you that husbands are allowed as well as commanded to beat their wives according to Koran 4:34. Also that a testemony of a woman is half of that of a man. Plus you need 4 male witnesses when a woman is raped, otherwise she is blamed for the rape.

At least Jesus treated women a lot better, starting with his mother Mary and then to the other women that he meets as the Gospels state.

Why do we keep comparing islam to nazis?
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/

If Presdident Roosevelt had - either due to ignorance or in deference to ethnic Japanese sensitivities - decided to proclaim the conflict that began on December 7, 1941 as "The War on Aircraft Carriers" we'd probably still be fighting in the Pacific and the Philippines would be a Japanese province...

Thank you, Robert:

...and you're very welcome. I pass on that which my ancestors of that time passed on to me as well. It won't go away, nor be bastardized as some try so vehemently to ad nauseum over time.

We will let history (and our respective Deity), and not agendas from ranting rabble as I've seen above, judge us on our actions...and let the ranting rabble spew away...they don't bother me in the least as they can eschew & obfuscate, but they can never erase reality...
...and, for them, I say "you're welcome, too". They'll figure that one out in time as well.

"Ne Oublie"
(an old adage from my ancestors)

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is able to save to the uttermost all who call upon Him.

I remember a conversation a few years back with my WWII era parents. One of them had said that a sentry that fell asleep on duty should be executed. I was aghast! What if a person was sick and couldn't help himself! What cruelty!

They were utterly baffled that their daughter could have such an opinion. Of course, now I know better, and agree with them. War is horrible, and we have to be on our guard. All of the troops depend on the sentry to keep them safe.

It appears that Americans no longer have the will to do what is necessary to secure life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for themselves and their posterity.

How sad.

Carolyn2,

Had bookemarked the website you have had posted. Seeing that black flag with the Nazi swaziker with the Muslim sword. Ironic to see this on Pearl Habor Day, 2006.

"Few in the Muslim world are willing, as he notes, to confront the deep roots that jihad violence has in the Islamic texts..."

Any why should they? So far the jihadis have outlasted the US in Iraq, the Israelis in Lebanon, and the US/NATO in Afghanistan. Why would anyone, Muslim or otherwise, put their life on the line and confront these seemingly undefeatable killers? Only those living in the West dare do so, and they require 24 hr bodyguards.

The jihads have centuries of experience undermining and then overtaking other civilizations. The West still does not understand the high stakes games that is being played.

bigcatgirl,
I've got a computer full of bookmarks, my kids make fun of my "favorites" list.

One more for "Sister"
http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/12434.html

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Is all that is needed to be said about judiasm and christianity and the so called holy bible.

Do you know why you cannot convert musims to your religion? We know that this is in your book. Maybe when you striken these falsehoods from your bible we will listen, but then your religion would be Islam.

Inshalla the kuffur will see Allah's wisdom. Treating women like slaves is forbidden.

Here are some sites you may like to visit:
http://www.muslimtents.com/sistersinislam/
http://www.sistersinislam.org.my/
http://sisterinislam.blogspot.com/

Those men who treat women bad will be tortured by Allahs will in hell, inshalla.

One more thing. Within this country, no one would have dared written said a word on behalf of the Nazis or Imperial Japan. They would have been picked up in a minute. they would have been seen as traitors. Critical to the domestic war effort were such books as "Under Cover" by John Roy Carlson, by a man who penetrated, and reported on, inter alia, Fritz Kuhn's Bund, William Pelley's Silver Shirts, and all sorts of other groups and individuals who were supporters or admirers of Adolf Hitler or, in a few cases, of Japanese kodo.

Where is the "Under Cover" of today -- written by someone who has penetrated the mosques? In fact, it has already, in parts, been written, by ex-Muslims here to tell us what it is all about, what they know. But they are not invited to testify before Congress. They are not invited to speak at the war colleges or service academies. They are not made much of. They are, apparently, kept at arm's length, for fear of offending -- offending whom, or what group, exactly?

No fear permitted. It is less fearful to find out the truth now, than to trudge around Fallujah on a fool's errand, when there are so many other, much more effective ways to counteract the instruments of Jihad, and to divide, to demoralize, to weaken the Camp of Islam.

Nice try...but no ciger, "sister"...

I stand by a former superior I worked for and his exposure of what's what (Jack Wheeler).

I've read your so-called holy book.
I bid you a loud and happy:

LAN ASTASLEM!!!!

Have a nice day.

;-)

Robert's analysis misses a key component of the problem:

"Because of the religious derivation of this ideology, analysts are generally reluctant to identify it properly or fully. They don't wish to examine how this ideology is advancing through peaceful means. They refuse to consider the ways in which it threatens American society, laws, and mores. And multiculturalism dins into all our ears that all value systems and belief systems are equal, and that only "bigots" oppose one or another, or dare to examine how one may be contain incitements to violence and supremacism."

It is not only the religious derivation of this enemy ideology that make analyssts reluctant to identify (and criticize and condemn) it; it is also its Third World provenance. Were this enemy ideology predominantly Western and white, the majority of Western analysts long ago would have caught up to identiy, criticize and condemn it.

No rc, although you're on a good basic premise.

That's not what's preventing us from doing so...it's already been done.
What's preventing us (tying our hands behind our backs) is one thing, and one only...

political correctness

"They are, apparently, kept at arm's length, for fear of offending -- offending whom, or what group, exactly?"

Easy answer: the predominant mainstream paradigm separates

1) a blameless harmless Islam (and its vast majority of moderates)

from

2) a small (albeit globally disparate) minority of extremists who are the enemy.

So the easy answer to Hugh's question is: for fear of offending #1.

Sister of Islam, please understand that the Lord Jesus Christ came to bring a new covenant, one of peace and mercy and grace. God, through His only begotten Son, has shown His great love to us.

The Mosaic law (Old Testament covenant in Deuteronomy) was stringent and strict because God is a holy God. He is perfectly righteous and we are not. So He sent His Son Jesus to make a way for us to be reconciled to Him. Belief in Jesus as Savior inputs (transmits) Jesus' righteousness to the believer. There is an event in the New Testament where Jesus comes upon a group ready to stone an adulteress. He says, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." This is grace, as opposed to the verses you quoted. The purpose of the Mosaic law in the Old Testament is to show us how far short of God's perfection we fall. It helps us to realize we are sinners in need of God's help. God knows we are incapable of following it perfectly, that's why he made an escape, by sending a Savior that we can believe in and become perfect in God's eyes through Him.

To understand the God of Christianity, you must study the New Testament. There you will find the life, example and acts of Jesus Christ and the witness of the apostles who carried on sharing the message of Christ following the resurrection and ascension of Jesus.

Our God is rich in mercy, has given us revelation of Himself, and He never changes, unlike allah, who is a mystery that men cannot know, and is capricious, changing his mind. I pray that you will investigate Christianity further, for Jesus is calling you to come to Him.

jcorn -- That's what I was talking about, though I didn't name it: political correctness. Political correctness dictates that Third World cultures can do no harm; and, when they seem to do harm, it is ultimately the fault of the West.

Often when a Muslim becomes a Christian it is because of a major miracle happening or of a dream of Jesus when that same person sleeps. It happens, which is very good news.

the fanatic

i am glad somebody agrees with me but the truth is that islam is seen not as a enemy by the leaders of the west its seen as a tool for them to use to divide other countries for them to control. they used islam to break up the soviet union they supported osama and even people today will still justfy what they did but then again russia is being stupid to at the moment for wanting to sell missles to iran what if iran gives those missles to Turkey? why dont the west just stop blaming everything on russia they cannot win against russia and the russians cant win against the west all this does is make islam stronger and stronger and eventually islamic countrys will become nuclear power.

but still on TV i hear negativity against russia because of this spy business and how the russian goverment are suspected of assasinating him but what the news media doest say is that how that ex spy was a convert to islam and how he had links to chechen terrorist and he had knowledge in nuclear technology as far as i am concerned that spy was a traitor and i feel no sympathy towards him also i beleive the way he got contaminated with radiation was that he had the radiation on himself to give to the chechen terrorist as alquieda had been requesting that sort of stuff and where willing to pay millions maybe he mishandled it and got it on himself by accident

Great post Robert, thank you for speaking the unadulterated truth.

Great comments on this board people, keep those thinking hats on and your heart steadied to our Anti- Jihad cause.

To the sister in islame. I’d be mightily embarrassed if I were you, for your ignorance smells.

Smells so bad it’s seeped right thru my monitor, Now go away brood cow.

Kudos, rc...

I'm with ya on it...and you're dead on about the "not offending" part.

Let 'er rip.

"Sister", it is clear as glass to a Christian just who allah is. You have been deceived by the "father of lies". Lucifer desired to rise above God and usurp His throne, he coveted the worship that God receives...so he appeared to muhammad as an "angel of light". He knew this was the one to give him his kingdom and worship...notice that islamic worship is forced, if you do not pray 5 times a day you will be punished. Force! Violence! Murder! That is the legacy of islam and it's false god.

Sister_in_Islam,
The passages that you quote from Deuteronomy sicken me, just as they do you. They are clearly wrong by any decent standard. I reject them whole-heartedly. I don't have much time for the rest of the Bible either.

However, there is a very clear difference between the moral examples of Mohammed and Jesus. Where M led military campaigns and sanctioned the massacre of 1000s of people, J showed a path of love and forgiveness for wrongs done to us. Where M invented spurious 'revelations' to further his own worldly ends, J set an example of denying oneself worldly gain. Where M espoused violence, deception and cruelty to further his own ends (all the while disguising them as Allah's great purpose), J embraced the weak and taught that each individual is as important as another in the eyes of God. Where M brought slavery and oppression, J taught that 'The truth will set you free'.

This is why Islam and Christianity are so different. I know some muslims myself and (the one's I know personally) are good people but I sense this is more in spite of their religion than because of it (though I can see there are some virtues of discipline and mindfulness that can be derived from it). When I point out the violent messages contained in the Koran, they seem to be ignorant of them. Surely, you people have a responsibility to actually find out what it is you're signing up to?

I'm sure you're sincere but can you not see the important moral differences between Mohammed and Jesus? I speak as a non-religious person.

J.S.,

You said,

"I listened to GW Bush and Tony Blair this morning. . . ."

Unbelievable such ignoramuses are our leaders. Dumb and dumber. Bush sounded beaten, bleating about "democracy," as if this can be imposed on an Islamic country. Blair as idiotic as ever in refusing to recognize that the UK's days are numbered as a British nation.

As is his wont, Blair made Israel the scape-goat, blaming it for the "unrest in the Middle Easst," to absolve Islam and its jihad of fomenting it. Of course, Blair has to be concerned about his Moslem-infested little island.

Greek Gurl,

I half agree with your assessment. But the half you left out concerns the jihadists not as passive and "used" but rather as active and users. They know lots about us; we (being the general public and our current leaders) know very little about them. They have studied us thoroughly, know our weaknesses, and are playing us for all we're worth. They are not beguiled by politicially correct illusions about us, but they are well aware that most of us are beguiled by such illusions, and they are taking advantage of those illusions in much the same way a sighted person could take advantage of a blind person. Nor do they have compassion for us as human beings. The concept of compassion toward non-Muslims is simply unthinkable for them (For, when they do begin to think in terms of compassion toward non-Muslims, they are themselves sliding toward being non-Muslims, in mind, if not in word and deed. Yet the jihadists, aware of our tendency to have compassion toward all human beings, make tactical use of it for their own advantage.

Jihadists and their supporters are not passive agents; they are highly motivated in striving toward their goals. They are active agents in using and exploiting the non-Muslims in any way they can while undermining and draining those same non-Muslims at the same time.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Dubai Ports World, the Arab-owned company which set off a furor with its purchase of six U.S. port operations earlier this year, has been cleared to join a federal pilot program to test the methods used to screen U.S.-bound cargo for radiation.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/07/dpworld.screening/index.html

way to go goergie

I believe that many of our leaders have the courage to face the enemy on the battlefield where the danger is bullets and bombs. The real courage is required when one's ideas and beliefs are challenged.

I will not call anyone who has flown a hand-me-down National Guard jet fighter a coward. I will, however, call someone a coward who buckles under when he is criticised for using the word Islamofascist.

All the leaders that we need at this time in history are all long dead. This current crop is either a collection of cowards or they are in bed with the Isalmists. We need Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan.

I cannot tolerate someone who will not defend their own beliefs, if they have any, that is.

"Five years after Pearl Harbor, the war was over."

What we sometimes miss in all these World War Two comparisons is that that war actually started in 1933, if not earlier.

Greek Gurl and Archimedes,

I think that the reality of this situation is closer to being somewhere between what you are both saying.

I think Greek Gurl is right when she says that the Islamists have been used by the west as a tool for controlling agendas, however Archimedes is right when he states the Islamists allow themselves to be used to further their own goals.

Osama was propped up by the US administration to help bring down the Soviet Union. But it is also evident that Osama used the training and weapons supplied by the US against it, when it suited him. Pakistan used its monies received from the US to build a nuclear program, that money would never have been sent if the US wasn't mad at India for being a Soviet trade partner.

The Kosovo situation is a classical example of how the jihadists fooled the west into doing its dirty work for them. Now we are seeing a continuation in that region on the momentum gained by NATO's attack on the Serbs. The previous conflicts in that area were also funded by Germany who armed the Croations, who in turn turned to the Muslim's in that area and set on the Serbs.

There's far too many filthy examples available to print here now, but you get the drift.

Niv

For the Sister In Islam, the brainwashed lassy

This was posted on DhimmiWatch and totally dispels your lies about your wretched religion.

Sister in Islam,

thanks for your posts. I am happy that you have found those awful passages. The reason I am happy is that all you have proven here is the opposite of what you intended.

What you have proven is that Christianity can evolve, while there is mountains of evidence that Islam cannot.

As posted above by Malta_1565 there is and has always been a huge difference from where our two religions come. Jesus had never stated that any of those types of punishments were allowed or desired. He taught the exact opposite, yet Muhammad through many documented sources was the leader of a violent clan, and often murdered people himself.

To further show the differences between your religion/doctrine of death and hate, and my religion is in our present day spiritual leaders. I have never heard of any Orthodox Patriarch or the Pope say that these are accepted in Christianity today. This is known as evolution, that is something your Quran does not allow, we to this day hear calls for death to infidels, death to apostates, death to adulterers. Please answer a question that is posed to you for a change, can you prove me wrong on this issue?

Niv

"Sister in Islam," personally, I couldn't care less about the obscure and ancient passages you listed above, as I am neither Jew nor Christian and am in no way bound by them. But for the sake of argument, when was the last time you heard of anyone being charged or punished according to the direction of those passages you listed above? When was the last time you heard anyone use those passages as a pretext or justification to do anything at all? On the other hand, the news is full of stories on an almost daily basis of women who are raped, killed, or just generally abused under the guidance and pretext of Sharia law.
I realize you will not respond directly to my comment, because as an Islamic troll, it is beyond your ability to directly engage anyone in debate. You will simply copy-paste another piece of drivel from one of the copious Islamic propaganda sites that infests our internet. It's what you are programmed to do. It's all you can do.

"War sucks, but being ruled by Islamofascism sucks even more." Quote from one of our brave men fighting in Iraq.

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor and stoic philosopher, 121-180 A.D.

The ISG report, to me, provides a good context to understand that the U.S. and the West do not have a strategy for fighting the war on terror. We are in a defensive posture with no comprehensive strategic plan for moving forward. The ISG report offered obvious proposals most of which are being implemented and some do nothing but make us look weak. What benefit would there be to us to enter into negotiations with Iran and Syria? Just another set of tactical proposals.

Until the enemy is truly defined and illuminated a winning strategy cannot be put in place. The average person needs to understand how awful and large the threat truly is and what their methods are. And that's the responsiblity of our leaders and they have failed miserably.

The reason they failed? They don't want to offend people. Well, guess what, until we risk offending people who are already officially offended, humiliated, motivated, and bred to kill, we will be doing a tactical dance that will not stem the world-wide tide of Islam.

A couple thoughts on developing a winning strategy.

1. NAME the enemy clearly.

The enemy is Islam not Osama bin Laden and his ilk. They are important leaders but its the idealogy that is the enemy. Explain, with examples, on a regular basis, how Islam is in conflict with the principls of Western Civilization and what is at risk.Show the horrors going on around the world and make clear that the quiet from the so-called moderate Muslim world is very troubling and could be intrepreted to mean tacit support.

Education by regular doses of honestry from our leaders, rather than morally-equivalent platitudes, is critical to building support for a sustained war footing.

2. Declare a "Manhatten" style project for alternative fuel and energy sources. We are funding the people who are killing us. Our current energy policy is status quo and that is very dangerous. Two benefits will be derived from this program, one, the killers will have much lower cash flow for their weapons and tactics (and cash flow is the key), and two, once this happens the Muslims will start fighting amongst themselves for the shrinking pie. Let them shrink themselves.

3. Increase the size of the military. We are in a long-term war and Islam is showing its violent self on every continent. Islam is pressing the advantage hard right now with considerable success. We need a lot more fighters.

4. Put 50,000 more marines and soldiers in Iraq and play to win. Take out al-Sadr and the Mahdi army and the other private armies. Don't spend much time with the national Iraq leaders unless they step up.

5. Using every medium continually place the pressure on Islam to explain itself. We need not be ashamed of our culture and they should be. Put the spotlight on it and let them respond.

Those men who treat women bad will be tortured by Allahs will in hell, inshalla.
Posted by: Sister In Islam

And just in time for Christmas!

Ahmed, roasting o're an open fire...

Do you even READ the Qur'an?

I love the way the tu quoque experts troll here, especially when they pitch their own blog, as though they are doing da'wa.

MODERATES DON'T LIE. If you even think you might be a moderate, try correcting a "radical".

Islam doesn't allow such vile treatment of women

Hey, wouldn't your time be better spent traveling to Pakistan? They are debating the treatment of woman (hudood rape laws) RIGHT NOW. You can enlighten them and start a new Islamic Revolution that will use THEM to show all of US how right you are about Islam.

Excellent post, "gordo." Very clear thinking and writing. Could not have done it better myself. We must especially emphasize that moral and intellectual courage are non-negotiable prerequisites to getting to square one, and square one involves the unstinting effort to come to grips with the truth.

On the radio Rush Limbaugh show today one caller commented on how unbelievable it is that in the aftermath of 9/11 so many Americans still do not "get it." Rush took off on his interpretation of "why" - and it involved pointing out how self-absorbed and hedonistic we are. We don't want to be bothered by the threat of Islam. Our jobs, our families, and our creature comforts come totally absorb us to the point that we punish and penalize anyone who points out uncomfortable facts and truths. There is also the hate Bush agenda/passion in play also. But, overall, most Americans no longer think there is a threat. And so they want to be done with the very idea of victory. To them, victory is neither desirable nor achievable. It's far more important to party on and shop-till-we-drop.

ONE

One main reason, meanwhile, why the war is so poorly understood and controversial: the enemy is not a nation-state but an ideology, an ideology which has been spread throughout the world and can now be found in practically every nation on the planet..

PLUS ONE

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has warned Western leaders to follow the path of God or "vanish from the face of the earth".

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/06/061206101357.8mjamnal.html

EQUALS TWO.

NAZI-ism and fascism was the identified ideology back then ISLAM is the enemy that must be defeated now.

But islam is being aided and abetted by traitors in the government just like Vichy France had traitors in their government.

Hang the traitors first; then you can EASILY destroy ISLAM.

Cow to the traitors; you will be faced with the three options: conversion, dhimmitude, or death.

The choice is simple; the choice is yours!

We seem to forget just how precariously unprepared we were for WW2. An entire US army surrendered in the Philippines, A British Army surrendered to an outnumbered Japanese enemy, and we lost a few naval battles around Guadalcanal. The battle of Midway was not really won with superior American tactics and weapons; the victory was mostly due to inferior Japanese planning and pure luck. If not for the Doolittle raid, Midway would not have happened.

We also forget how much of a blunder the attack on Pearl Harbor really was. In the final analysis, the comaprisons to WW2 can only be superficial. This edition of a world war is not one that we are prepared to fight either. Perhaps we need a Corregidor or a Singapore to shake people out of their complacency.

When the terrorist bastards finally achieve their dream-detonating a nuclear a device in a major US city that kills at least a million people I want to see the same outrage that was seen on December 7, 1941. I don't want to see a lot of crying. I don't want to see people tell us not to jump to conclusions. I don't want people wondering who did it. I don't want to hear any more talk of how Islam is a peaceful religion. I don't want to hear anything about over reacting. I want that rage of 65 years ago because we WILL know who did it, just as we knew in 1941 who did it. This time, like at that time, I want the name of that enemy to be spit from EVERYONE's lips like the poison it is. No more games, no more talk, no more patience, no more forbearance. On 9/11 the enemy was given a free pass. Next time, I want those feelings of anger and disgust to burn in EVERYBODY's heart. I want the total destruction of that vile, despicable enemy of humanity called Islam-a destruction as total as that of Japan and Germany in 1945. If that means we drop nuclear bombs on Mecca and Medina and Tehran and Damascus and Riyadh and Islamabad and any other city then so be it. Millions of Germans and Japanese died for the crimes their leaders committed-the same MUST be done to Islam's leaders, both abroad and home if they dare do the unspeakable. And as in 1945, let the United States not flinch in doing what needs to be done, terrible as it might be, for in not doing so would be far more terrible for all of civilization and its future generations.

witness,

"The outspoken president [Ahmadinejad] also maintained Iran's defiance over its controversial nuclear programme, saying it was on course to fully master nuclear technology.

"Thank to God's help, we have gone all the way and are only one step away from the zenith."

They might be at that (a step away from their zenith*)

*May their zenith be brighter than many suns and very loud. Let it come before they make it our zenith. Remember Pearl Harbor! Don't let the enemy get first strike again!

Gordo:

I really liked the post but want to add a few things.

Withdraw from the UN immdeiately. NATO will call the shots and impose itself and its collective will. Hell, it is only our troops being used anyways.

We do not have 50,000 more Marines to send into Iraq.

New Policy: American soldiers will never enter an Islamic Republic unless it is to kill, capture or destroy.

Immediately terminate all types of foreign aid (jizya).

Redirect this aid to Israel along with weaponry and other technologies.

We need to give NATO members like Germany and France an ultimatum: stand up or step aside.

We pee our pants over 3,000 dead soldiers over a 4 year period in Iraq. Gimme a break! We lost that many in the first few hours at Normandy. We need stronger resolve from our citizens. Politicians, especially Liberal politicians, should not use combat deaths to try and court voters.

We must cut all immigration from Islamic Republics. We will close all our embassies, recall our ambassadors and expel theirs.

Ban aspects of Islamic ideology as they contravene hate speech laws.

Repatriate all existing Muslims who seek Sharia in America.

Where is Pat Buchannon when we need him?!

ISLAMISFORLOSERS:

"On 9/11 the enemy was given a free pass."

AND WHY WAS THAT? Could it be that it was because the enemies that attacked and killed were mostly from Saudi Arabia?

And that Saudi Arabia is a favorite of the people at the very top of our government and their Saudi-sucking advisers and fellow-travelers of the jihad?

And is it also because of the whores in the State Department (past and present) that receive a stipend from that major finance source of jihad in the world?

I can’t recall a President ever looking as impotent as Bush did today in his press conference with Prime Minister Blair. We’re absolutely paralyzed because our effort has been based on an assumption that essentially projected a Western mindset and intellect onto Arab Muslims. We’ve now found out that the assumption was bad, but to say what we’ve learned out loud goes against everything that’s been drilled into our collective skulls over the last forty years.

We’ve spent $400 billion in Iraq. Even after all of the BS insurance, environmental, legal, and other government nonsense, a Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers costs $4 billion (it used to be a quarter of that price). Its like we’ve built one hundred new USS Ronald Reagans, or executed four Marshall plans, and the meter is still running.

We pay this price because its easier than accepting the fact that we are facing a religious ideology. One that exists in the minds of a billion men, women, and children. Properly defined, we are fighting the War Against the Qu’ran. We’d better learn to say it.

A couple thoughts on developing a winning strategy.

1. NAME the enemy clearly.

The enemy is Islam not Osama bin Laden and his ilk.

Good luck with that. The world -- including the West -- is against your strategy.

"On 9/11 the enemy was given a free pass."

AND WHY WAS THAT? Could it be that it was because the enemies that attacked and killed were mostly from Saudi Arabia?

And that Saudi Arabia is a favorite of the people at the very top of our government and their Saudi-sucking advisers and fellow-travelers of the jihad?

And is it also because of the whores in the State Department (past and present) that receive a stipend from that major finance source of jihad in the world?

Posted by: unicorns62000 at December 7, 2006 08:17 PM

Precisely. If/when we literally fight these Islamaniacs in the streets the traitorous politicians should get it first regardless of party. I want them to be given the treatment Mussolini got in the end for their bringing us to that point. These bastards are worse than the beheaders themselves-"necklacing" them would be too good for them for selling us all out.

It's no surprise that I can talk to a number of people about the dangers of the rise of radical Jihad, they know it's a problem, have contempt for the Muslims, but see it more as a law enforcement issue. I am afraid it will take another attack to "awaken the sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

Sister_in_Islam,

I am an atheist. The passages you cite are indeed reprehensible. Why, then, do they give me much less pause than other words, such as the news?

Oh, yes -- that's right. The news, which includes Muslims validating slavery with their religion, burning "adulterers" because of their religion, and murdering apostates and cartoonists and filmakers because of their religion, represents real events. The passages are ink on a page.

I could write, in all seriousness, that one should murder their children. It would be a horrible thing for me to write. It would be quite evil advice. But if someone were to read my overall works, and agree with them, but never address or act on that particular passage, could you call them evil?

Frankly, I wouldn't care what the Koran said if Muslims were actually peaceful, if they ignored it. They don't. They actively use interpretations of the Koran and hadith to justify horrible acts.

To the extent that Christians are activist militants (bombing abortion clinics), I think it's terrible. I can't recall the last time I ever heard a Christian justifying a rape using the Bible. I can't recall the last time I heard a Christian owning slaves and justifying them with the Bible (though, the Bible does apparently allow for slavery, the Koran allows for it and Muslims actually engage in it) Big difference.

The fact of the matter is, your religion inherently protects no one. Christianity doesn't inherently protect anyone either. It is the actions of people that protect or condemn. It is the actions of people, not the formatting of inks on sheaves of paper, that comprises morality and immorality.

War is Hell.

The problem as i see it is the American Public and the Western Medias need to know EVERYTHING about the day to day progress of the War. There was a time that the general Public did not know exactly what is going on and what the Losses exactly were etc... it lowers Moral to report everysingle Defeat or Death, as we see now. there used to be a much greater fighting spirit. these days the public has no stomach for war because we see it in detail and we hear about the Gruesome side of it too much. If you look at Battles of WWII , sometimes there were many thousands of dead in a Single battle or on a single day . these days the losses are not even comparable, they are much less , and soldiers are better prepared and better protected than ever before, so why the loss of Nerves? or why have we lost the will and stomach to fight? I say it's because the Media has FAR too much freedom in their Speculating and reporting of the events. there needs to be tighter restrictions on the Medias ability to put Fear into the hearts and minds of the Public. if WWII was fought with the same type of FREE media that we see now, well i don't think people would have had the nerve to do what must be done.

The Media is causing the West to lose it's nerve. not everything needs to be reported. i
understand completely why the Gov't does not want Casualty lists aired in the Media. because it is a Cancer in the Moral of the Public. the Public's will is what wins wars. and the Media is undermining our Will to win.

This "Sister In Islam" person is the worst sort of troll. All she does is drop her propaganda (no doubt what her imam spoon-fed her), and flees. She does not care to reply to the obvious hypocrisy of what she accuses Jews and Christians of doing (when it is so obviously clear that WE do not live under any sort of sharia law mandate like Muslims do).

She decries scripture that isn't in any way enforced by either Christians or Jews, and ignores the Muslim script that requires four witnesses of rape, that a woman's witness is worth half of that of a woman, and that:

"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme." [QURAN, 4:34]

She maintains we are evil for what she maintains is evil but not in enforcement, but that Islam is good, because it is what it is, because someone said so, and that is good enough for her.

By the way, I visited her site, and noticed there that she ignores those who replies to her obvious hypocrisy. She isn't worth your time.

Well, American's have a tendency to forget, especially when they make more income. Why not? I'm always forgetting my password or Log-in name? I feel if they dropped a bomb on us, why shouldn't we cut and run doing the same thing ? Instead of our 3000 being killed, we could return the favor by killing 300,000 of their's ?

Sister In Islam...and i thought Naseem was a real pain in the ass

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has warned Western leaders to follow the path of God or "vanish from the face of the earth".

where is there a credible "Western leader" who can for once respond harshley to this little monster, and tell him to shut the F$@#$ up, or he will disappear along with his nuclear sites and a fair number of his followers at those sites. in fact he can carry a big stick and talk lightly.. better just go ahead and make that little monster disappear pronto!

Islam itself is jihadic? (hey a new adjective!)

And an important one at that, Ethelred. We all know how critical language failure has been so far in this the 1996 World Jihad, because it is a low intensity conflict fought mainly in the media, using words, that has so far a nearly endless string of victories for the Moslems, both activist and inactivist.

Besides, Jihadic rhymes with idiotic, spasmodic, semiotic, erotic, psychotic, exotic, neurotic, and more... Jihadic offers a rich playground for darkly cynical comedy writers who understand that Moslems are a sickening, crapulous group.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

Combine Jihadic with another important new term introduced in here a few weeks ago, turnspeak, and you have a full explanation of the bowel movement just taken publicly in here by Sister in Islam.

Go ahead, sister. Now that you've made a mess of yourself, wipe with your left hand.

(sister of islam) and to all.
Deuteronomy 22
22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

Hi i am all-new here:

I am surprised that no one here actually understands or brought up the fact that the Old Testament was aimed at certain Adamite blood line tribes for the situation of their society being in the desert with yet unfulfilled covenants with God. The restrictions changed as representatives of the religion held certain Godly promises and trials.
The laws were for the these tribes and they were to hold the chosen people in strict order of obedience as a form of preservation as without them you would could have waved the Adamite blood line away along with Jesus' who was the covenant with the rest of man. As the people listened and as the tribes became nations the laws changed for certain situations. The prophets proved to God they could withstand his trials to hold the torch for God's ways and people.

Do not apply Old Testament laws with unique situations of their days to the modern world; hence the word of Christ was now for the Gentiles (for man kind) as the Jews lost out their saviour.

The thing is where is this distinction in Islam? Are people spiritual enough to see this in their religion or do out dated laws still plague mankind today? To be honest Islam has become the Old Testament all over again and instead of going forward it has gone back to the Tribal laws that are outdated. Its like Islam went back 2500 years in 622AD. The Bible shows a lot more tolerance at least if it was a lie it was a nice suggestion that God loves us and was willing to sacrifice his Son Jesus for mankind. A lot nicer in what Mohammad had to say to save mankind. Was he actually needed or did he highjack of a previous religion, does it sound like his nature to do that?

I think people are right the more you find out the worse it all is.

The reason why it is taking so long is because we are losing Christ on our side in spirit, now we are so fragmented the spirit is not within the nations so we are losing the battle between good and evil. In the end once the Devil gets his chest pieces he will lure Christians to be beheaded once people refuse the mark of the beast.
Who uses swords still after thousands of past years? Seen the internet lately seen TV? its back in fashion.

Revelation 20

4 I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn't worship the beast nor his image, and didn't receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived, and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5 The rest of the dead didn't live until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

jesusisthelamb,

To be honest Islam has become the Old Testament all over again and instead of going forward it has gone back to the Tribal laws that are outdated.

I can tell by your moniker you don't really mean that the way it reads. The Bible (Hebrew and Christian scriptures) can be proven to be divinely inspired by fulfilled predictive prophecy (and not merely the fulfillment of a stated goal as in the capture of Constantinople).

The Qur'an and the Hebrew scriptures only have in common the parts of the few appropriated stories that Mohammad remembered correctly.

I for one am starting to take heart.

Lately I have heard the talk radio types starting to refer to Islam as the problem and not Islamofacists. This may be one of the reasons that Bush has had the look on his face lately in some of the explanations that he's given to the American public. He knows this but if he says that Islam is the problem, then officially all hell does indeed break loose.

The commentators that I have been listening to are starting to connect the dots. From problems in the Philippines to Kashmeir. The dots all lead to problems that Muslims are having with their neighbors. Its allways muslims that are mistreated or cheated. If you had a superiority complex as Muslims do, you would have that attitude also. The commentators are finally seeing that it matters not what Isreal does, it's the fact that they are still breathing that bothers the Muslims. The ones I have been listening to lately have got a theory that Jim Baker is really fronting for the Saudis'. If Isreal will give up some land then everything will be OK. Well its a fact that Jim Baker's law firm defends the Saudis when they are in trouble. I'm sure that what ever he puts in the report will not risk his reputation with one of his biggest clients.

I have also noticed that there has been a subtle resistance to Muslim-Islam influence. Such as the texan in Katy texas that proposes a weekly pig race, fridays, on land next to a building site of a Mosque. He's probably going to get a liquor license for the place too. I would guess that they will eventually make him an offer he can't refuse.

This is a chink in the armor of the Muslim. We must exploit the chinks in their armor. They aren't hard to find. These guys aren't monolithlic. If given enough firepower one Islamic tribe will wipe out the other. This may be the maybe another chink to explore.

Has anyone kept an eye on numbers of visitors that have been daily visiting this site. I think that it's growing.

And so it goes.

"To be honest Islam has become the Old Testament all over again and instead of going forward it has gone back to the Tribal laws that are outdated. Its like Islam went back 2500 years in 622AD."

I cannot disagree more. To compare the Torah to Islam is like comparing Shakesphere's sonnets to HUSTLER magazine. The Old Testament is literally filled with end-times and messianic prophesy that is priceless to the new covenent believer. The Psalms and Proverbs are also invaluable.

The Torah and other ancient scriptures are God-given, and are good. The Quran is a pile of steaming feces. You cannot compare the two.

A question for the ever thoughtful Hugh (and others who might have an opinon).

Do you think Enlightenment crusaders (and star-of-david-ers)should learn Arabic?

I am of two minds, the first is that a knowledge of Hebrew gives me understanding of many Arabic words and syntax and I can see how alif became alif when comparing to other semetic scripts.

So one the one, it would be useful and easier (and I once someone has tackled Japanese I think they can do any language with an alphabet no prob)and I think helpful for a kuffir to be educated.

On the other hand, I feel compelled to beef back up my French and maybe even start Italian.

In short, what`s a westerner to do with his (little bit) of spare time? Devote more time to our own Civ or understand theirs better?

We can’t just blame our worthless muslim loving politicians. I can almost understand them, they are greedy self-serving opportunists out for themselves and have to appease someone they think who can keep them in a power position. Most realize a political life is a short one and as such they greedily suckle anyone who feeds them.

I can understand the academics trained in islamic studies earning degrees in programs paid for by saudi money who have jobs jobs which require them to toll the party line or risk never working again.

I can understand career military officers at the end of their careers who realize sucking up to politicians will lead to a cushy government position, as long as they toll the PC line.

I can understand the ignorance of Americas youth who are so self centered they entirely miss the fact our entire planet is threatened.

I can even understand why Americans who have for generations sent its best and brightest to fight countless battles to save a world, now hesitates.

The same world, who turns its back on us, maligns us and hates us. I can understand why this policy has failed. We gave and they took, we have nothing left. They are on their own.

I understand all these things, I don’t like them but they picked a side, most of us have, I simply understand.

I don’t understand why seemingly intelligent people refuse to learn enough to help us in this fight. Instead they wait, wait for whom? There is no superman coming. We have two choices fight or surrender. There is no third option. We are not all young, skilled in combat or physically able to participate in our military. We can keep doing what we do, speak out, record events, watch the players, send letters, give interviews, and make alliance with foreign bloggers and help them. I guess my point is simple, help, push or get out of the way. But I am speaking to the choir, most of you are doing your part and I commend you for it. The fact the trolls seek this site out is proof of concept. Keep up the good work.

tokyobk , one does not really have to understand arabic to know about islam, as one poster once said, l learned enough about islam after 9-11. Before 9-11 l had a natural dislike towards islam just by reading about what they did to their women and non muslims. with various website and particular this one and Robert's books, l have now a good knowledge to know why l dont like islam. and l am getting better at debating my stupid liberal family members, and its sinking in on some of them. so if one has the natural inclinations to learn languages, go ahead if you have the time, but since French was my first language, l find the guteral speech of arabic unappealing.

Hebrew is also prophetic in the letters that are used id you spell jesus in ancient Hebrew it has two nails symbols //

Robert: No one in official Washington seems capable of realizing that the jihad would proceed against us no matter what we do or don't do, because it springs from imperatives within Islam that are not dependent upon the character of the infidels who must be fought.

This is so simple and yet so brilliant!

It is a beginning,-- but I am beginning to see more and more people who are speaking out and talking about the sources that bring us this jihadist mentality. And these are people who have the airways.

I am hearing them say things they never said before in the past 4 years when it comes to understanding the source of what will once again bring this violent Ideological conflict to the borders of America.

I am beginning to hear it from the helms of radio talk shows, and television shows, and Ministers who preach on the television. One of the most forceful ministers now commenting on the Islamic Jihad Ideology is the very charismatic San Antonio Reverand John Hagee who does not mix words when he speaks of people like Mahmoud A-mad-ding-job. He refers to him as the new Hitler loud and clear and without reservation. And there are many others that are beginning to step up to the plate and realize that you cannot faithfully negotiate with these people. Glen Beck, and Bill Oreilly are seeing the light. There are still others that bring it up but are still not addressing it forcefully enough in my opinion except on occasions from Rush Limbaugh ( the father of modern conservative radio) to Sean Hannity and of course the man who lives up to his last name Michael Savage. Still we need to hear more from those who have the control of the media lights. We need to tell them that their politicians need to have an understanding of Islam and the sources from which Islam draws there jihadist behavior otherwise we need to vote them out of office, we cannot afford to have congressmen in our government who don't understand what there up against. We cannot afford more like Rep. John Conyers of Dearbornistan,Michigan , let alone the introduction of Keith Ellison from Minnesota.

Talking of World War Two: people still admire Winston Churchill so it would be a good move to use his opinion of Islam as a way of overcoming public resistance to seeing its true nature. Churchill took part in the suppression of two jihads ( the Sudan uprising of 1881-99 and the Pathan uprising of 1897) so he knew exactly what the word meant. He had also wiled away the time as a subaltern on the NW Frontier reading Gibbon's 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.' The second half this two million word book is concerned mainly with the origins and expansion of Islam and contains reflections on it, as profound as any in the language. His passage on Islam, from the 'River War' is often quoted but an even more damning opinion was expressed in another work - 'The Story of the Malakand Field Force' (London:1898)

That he was in no doubt about the tendency of Islam to promote intolerance, fanaticism and violence and conrasted it unfavourably with Christianity is shown by the following passage:

"It is, thank heaven, difficult if not impossible for the modern European to fully appreciate the force which fanaticism exercises among an ignorant, warlike and Oriental population. Several generations have elapsed since the nations of the West have drawn the sword in religious controversy, and the evil memories of the gloomy past have soon faded in the strong, clear light of Rationalism and human sympathy. Indeed it is
evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men's passions,
and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination. But the Mahommedan religion
increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since, its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness. In a moment the fruits of patient toil, the prospects of material prosperity, the fear of death itself, are flung aside. The more emotional Pathans are powerless to resist. All rational considerations are forgotten. Seizing their weapons, they become Ghazis--as dangerous and as sensible as mad dogs: fit only to be treated as such. While the more generous spirits among the tribesmen become convulsed in an ecstasyof religious bloodthirstiness, poorer and more material souls derive additional impulses from the influence of others, the hopes of plunder
and the joy of fighting. Thus whole nations are roused to arms. Thus the Turks repel their enemies, the Arabs of the Soudan break the British
squares, and the rising on the Indian frontier spreads far and wide. In each case civilisation is confronted with militant Mahommedanism. The
forces of progress clash with those of reaction. The religion of blood and war is face to face with that of peace. Luckily the religion of peace is usually the better armed."

Today I am also reminded of my father who fought in the war against the Japanese in the pacific theatre on a flether Class Destroyer. After a long battle with the old war injuries that he received in Brunei Bay,Borneo on July 12th 1945 that finally came back to haunt him over the last dozen years, he passed away at 88 years of age this past saturday December 2nd..

I will eulogize him and I will salute him this sunday as a gold star member of America's Greatest generation.

In the local paper yesterday, one of our local News personalities announced he was joining the Army. He's over 40yrs old! He has been very successful as a news person. I know that he will git it. I hope that he sees enough and comes back alive. He will be an effective voice in the discription of the enemy that we face.

sorry for your loss Mackie.I too thank him for my life,and our way of life.

okyobk,

In my opinion, don't waste your time learning Arabic - you can learn all you would ever want to know (both pro and con) about Islam from English language sources. Instead, like ZenaWarriorPrincess relates, spend you time trying to warn and educate others.

Islam is the Church of the Devil prophesied of in the Bible, and that is the magnitude of what confronts us. Take time to study the Bible so that you can identify for yourself the attributes of the Church of the Devil and how they so perfectly match what Muslims do today and what they believe.

For Christian acquaintances, teach them and warn them using the Bible as your foundation. For others, rely on the excellent resources of this web site and Robert's books.

Just my two cents worth.

Mackie--

I salute your father as well. And rest assured there are many, many Japanese, in my estimation the majority, who also realize that that awful war was between freedom and tyranny and the Empire of Japan stood on the side of tyranny. In Japan, only highly marginal people-- estranged from the current emporer who takes his role as a mere symbol very seriously, would argue otherwise.

I expect we will get it together to fight this one and there are many future generation in the Muslim world who will look back and thank us for our resolve, if we muster it.

Opps, I meant to address "tokyobk", not "okyobk". Sorry.

wallyUK:

Like the "River War" comments Sir Winston was dead on in his description of this feverish cult that continues to leave a bloody path wherever it can. They even devour themselves if there is no other enemy at hand such as in Iraq.

A couple thoughts on developing a winning strategy.

1. NAME the enemy clearly.

The enemy is Islam not Osama bin Laden and his ilk.

Good luck with that. The world -- including the West -- is against your strategy.

Posted by: remote_control at December 7, 2006 08:35 PM

Once again remote_control, I must concur with you 100%.

Forget arguing with Sister_In_Islam types. They are gone. True that it is an odd-bird, a woman who supports Islam, but that's just based on facts.

Reference to archaic, Judeo-Christian, Old Testament text passages do not justify vilification of all of us so-called "infidels".

That's the beauty of reform. I dare someone to cite an example of those passages enforced or even on the books anywhere in a non-Muslim dominated society.

As far as I'm concerned, subscribing to Deuteronomy as Divine fact is equivalent with Adam and Eve.

Comparing Christ to the animal who tried to hijack His religion about a half century later is silly. Their respective texts speak for themselves.

The war is, and needs to be, identified without question, against Islam. Even though the enemy is devoid of truth, their numbers and attitude warrant exceptional attention.

tokyobk:

Thank you!

Patriot8:

Thank You!

islam has become a tool for the leaders of the world to cause civil wars in other places so they can control those places for example usa doest like the EU so it pressures the EU to except turkey the usa knows that turkey will weaken europe just like the usa used islam to break up soviet union and to break up yugoslavia also the british have used islam as a tool to divide Cyprus becuase they couldnt stand the fact that Greeks wanted independence from the biritsh empire and now the british have a base in Cyprus ty to islam and usa have bases in kosovo thanks to muslims the usa also supports chechnya to become independent i think theres still a cold war going on also russia is helping iran to build nuclear power russia is helping islam to show it has influence in the middle east and probably to weaken america just like america wants to weaken russia

that is just my apinion

Posted by: Greek Gurl

Actually you make me think what we have here is a merry-go-round conflict raging in-between USA=Europe=Russia=China.

All of whom are using islam in some way aginst the others in various conflagrations.

In the meantime.. ISLAM IS USING US INSTEAD!!!

ALL of us have islam-related problems.

China = Uighors in West China.
Europe = islamic "immigrants".
USA = islamic "immigrants", N.O.I
Russia = Chechnya and an increasing islamic population throughout "Mother Russia" - the traditional Christian Orthodox Heartland.

Instead of realizing that these problems are at the point of no longer being "manageable" all of these powerful four actors keep acting against one another's interests when it comes to this rising threat.

USA = complain about Russia and China's "human rights violations" re. their homegrown moslem populations. Continuing lobbying for more islamic invasion of Europe both via immigration and getting turkey in the EU.
Europe = getting in the way of US 'war on terror'. European left both in government and media working actively against the USA. See also: indiciting US secret service officials in Kanga-Euro courts. Continual harping on Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib and "Extraordinary renditions".
Russia = Blocking security Council Resolutions vs. Iran, Sudan, etc. Selling nuke technology and defense technologies to Iran.
China = making oil deals with Sudan and Iran. And Venezuela as well.

Each of these actors think they are cleverly undermining the interests of their global competition and weakening the others. Fact is: all are weakening all.

Old German proverb says: Wenn zwei sich streiten dann freut sich der Dritte.

Meaning when there is a fight among two the third party benefits.

Here we have FOUR involved in this not-so-suble jockeying for influence and power and GUESS WHO is licking their chops?!

So ... here's your chain of possession. From Great Britain to the United Nations. From the UN to Iran. From Iran to Hezbollah.

Any questions?

Posted by: exsgtbrown

THIS SHOULD BE ON 60 MINUTES!!! That is an absolute SCANDAL!!

Instead we give support to Turkey's entry into the EU, we give support to Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, yet no one gets upset about that.

Personally I don't get it, we have no choice but to call for a truce with Russia and stop supporting the Islamic elements amongst us.

Niv

Posted by: The fanatic

GREAT to see that my analysis seems to be shared by others as I read deeper along this thread!!

WHY can so MANY of US figure this out BUT NOONE else seems to be able to??!!

We should all be hired immediately to form an anti-islamic-encroachment THINK TANK!

Alarmed Pig Farmer

Great post. Undo all the those that you point to, and we will have victory.

Posted by: DP111

Hey Farmer: GREAT ***ROAST*** !!!!

Clive said....It won't be until Islam disrupts the average US citizen's blissful postmodern consumerism that resistance will become politically acceptable here. I just pray that it isn't too late by then.

That is so true and so tragic. Eurabia is being birthed before our eyes. Muslims in America have so intimidated our political class and infiltrated our Middle East studies programs that it has consumed what little thought of the truth they ever had.

With the ease that the polonium spread, it is pretty clear to me that is how the next great disaster will occur. What's more, it doesn't even have to really kill (at least not immediately) to succeed. Sheer panic and disruption. What if you contaminated Grand Central Station or the Loop in Downtown Chicago or..What if you did several city cores at the same time? Until a terrorist act that disrupts our economy so seriously that there is a severe recesssion affecting everyone, our leaders and the public masses will not wake up.

I am still chuckling at the Pig Farmer's roast of the most USELESS among us and then I have to read this:

Muslims are not nazis. Why do you keep comparing us to them. Nazis raped and killed. In Islam is a man rapes he is stoned to death (a slow and painful death). We women are protected from rape, unlike virgin girls in christianity and judiasm. I know your bible and it disgusts me. I'm sorry to say but your book does not revere women no matter how much you lie and say it does.

Posted by: Sister In Islam

This CANNOT go unreplied to. Trolll or not.
I just CAN'T TAKE THIS!!!

Muslims are not nazis. Why do you keep comparing us to them. Nazis raped and killed.

DITTO!!! DITTO!!! DITTO!!! Just ask the Australians.. and the British.. and the Germans and the French and the Americans.. and even the Egyptians in their own country!! They even have Egypt women BLOGGING about their home-grown RAPISTS!!
Oh, and I left out the Swedish and Norwegians and the Danes who've had their women raped by these SWINE!!!! RAPED BY THIS FILTH!!!

So HOW ******DARE****** YOU!!!!!!! I'd LOVE to have u say that TO MY FACE!!!!!

Next comes THIS GEM: In Islam is a man rapes he is stoned to death (a slow and painful death).

OOOOH YEAH???!!!!! We've just gone through several threads relating the resistance in PAKI-LAND - no doubt that is where u live, Sista!! - against comprehensice RAPE LAWS. In islam a woman needs FOUR witnesses to get a conviction in court for rape. Even then these POGS are always cut loose soon after they go to jail. NOWHERE HAVE I ***EVER*** heard about even ***ONE*** of these SWINE getting stoned to death. What drugs are you on, sweetie? When a woman gets raped in an islamo country she is usually rejected by her family thereafter and subject to honor killings. The cowardly brutality of islam goes WAY beyond anything I've ever heard of - even Nazis had a conscience compared to THIS!! So yes, maybe we shouldn't call you Nazis any longer. The comparison might flatter you guys. Given the military means that the Nazis had at their displosal islam would be ON A WORLD-WIDE TEAR JUST ABOUT NOW!!!

You are indeed Hitler's grand-children. Since he felt the German people had let him down by not fighting as hard as he thought they should have.. YOU ARE MAKING HIM PROUD!! Too bad he chose US!! I truly wish he'd chosen YOU back then. Maybe he'd have appreciated you for your barbarity and your ruthlessness. He'd no doubt found you his kindred spirits in your INHUMANITY!! Instead of the Germans.. losing the war and now forever mired in self-absorbed guilt and the whiny Political Correctness which your brethren now so ably and cunningly exploit and benefit from.

So PLEASE do not lecture me, child! Turnaroundspeak ONCE AGAIN!! It's truly the islamic way!! Your big mouths may indeed cost you FINAL VICTORY!!

See, when a team scores in most any sport.. keep the celebrations to a MINIMUM!!!!! You do NOT want to get the opposition RILED UP!!!!

Stupid you, Sista.

And now THIS?:::
We women are protected from rape, unlike virgin girls in christianity and judiasm. I know your bible and it disgusts me. I'm sorry to say but your book does not revere women no matter how much you lie and say it does.

You don't even believe this yourself. Wasn't it Mahomet, your wonderful prohet who married a 6yo virgin and then he "broke her in" at age NINE???!!! islamos always kill the men and rape the women when they conquer and invade!

How DARE we be so *insolent* and RESIST??!!
HOW F*CKING DARE WE, HUH???!!!!!

I'll tell you how, Sista!! Cuz we like that.

FREE HAGIA SPOHIA!!!!

I WANT A CRUSADE!!!

GLAD TO SEE SO MANY REBUTTING THIS FOOL SISTER INPISLAM!!!

And..

The Agia Sophia in Turkey is the most important Church to Orthodox Christians in the world, yet the Turks do not allow prayer in it, it is only allowed to be a museum. How would the Muslim's of the world feel if the pilgrimage to Mecca was not allowed to take place and that the sacred area be turned into a museum?

Please take your ignorance home with you and leave it there, we don't want it here.

Niv

Posted by: The fanatic

I just had a vision where the moon rock and its shrines are turned into a sort of Holocaust-against-humanity museum once we DE-ISLAMICIZE the World all over!!

THEN AND ONLY THEN can Mankind FINALLY get along and tackle the truly important issues that plague us all.

Things may even get truly enlightened once this ugly threat is finally vanquished from our collective History!!

I think that is disgusting. Please speak up if you don't find this last passage about virgin girls sick. Islam doesn't allow such vile treatment of women, but we will always have criminals. I am sorry that you continue in ignorance.

Posted by: Sister In Islam

I cannot comment on these passages u quote but I DO NOT SEE RAPE RAMPANTLY practiced by non-moslem men as it is whereever moslems are present/ Our jurisdiction does NOT condone rape and we come down on it severely. UNLIKE the PISLAMO-LANDS!!!!!

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

r u sure u weren't reading the KKKoran, Sista?

I think the 28 holiest site in Judaism, Medina, needs to go back to the Jews.

What's preventing us (tying our hands behind our backs) is one thing, and one only...

political correctness

Posted by: jcom972

YEP YEP YEPPERS!!!!!

jcorn -- That's what I was talking about, though I didn't name it: political correctness. Political correctness dictates that Third World cultures can do no harm; and, when they seem to do harm, it is ultimately the fault of the West.

Posted by: remote_control

You have NO IDEA how MANY people have told me JUST THIS very thing IN PERSON!!! They all had been to a major college. Ivy League at its BEST.

"Five years after Pearl Harbor, the war was over."

What we sometimes miss in all these World War Two comparisons is that that war actually started in 1933, if not earlier.

Posted by: Pelayo

Well analyzed indeed, Pelayo..

Those men who treat women bad will be tortured by Allahs will in hell, inshalla.
Posted by: Sister In Islam

There ain't ROOM enough in hell, Sista..

Bad_Attitude_Infidel

No Prob! I`d have to take the typo two-by-four out of my eye before I critized the error mote in my fellows, to paraphrase an idea from a true religion of peace.

Mackie--

I plan to write a review of --Letters From Iwo Jima-- which I will post and link here and at LGF, with reference to war and civilization. I will have men like your father in mind in doing so.

Germaninamerica:

I find it so amazing that Muslims who argue about the justice of Islam and its prophet almost always do so in the most violent terms. "Mohammud would behead the beheaders," we hear, "Chop his own daughters hand." etc...etc...

Allah is a torturer, huh, wonder what Irene Khan who we hear ad freaken nauseum is the first Muslim head of Amnesty has to think about Allah.

Yeah, we get it. That is why we are "phobic"

Sister of islam, get aquainted with the truth ...
...read it all ...

There is more to sex in Islam than meets the eye. Do you care to know that sex is the biggest taboo in Islam? It is a topic that is fraught with fear and seldom discussed by the followers of Islam, except when they are in trouble or when they go to a foreign/infidel country to 'enjoy' women there.Islam pretends as if sexual organs do not exist either in a male or in a female. A woman is covered from head to toe ...

Let us begin with the first principle of Islamic sex for men, that is:

Have virgins for fun and frolic
In Islam, keeping the virginity is the highest asset that a woman could possess. There is no crime/sin as despicable as that of losing the virginity before a woman is married. The thought of indulging in pre-marital sex by an adult woman is absolutely unthinkable in Islam (For men it is a different story altogether. As we shall see later, it is possible for an unmarried Muslim man to be engaged in sex with slave-girls/captive/infidel women but not with free Muslim women).Mind you, premarital sex is a serious crime that may involve severe punishment for the offender; one hundred Islamic lashing for the unmarried woman (or man) and stoning to death for the married woman (or man). This punishment is hudud, which means that there is no way the offender can escape the severity of this kind of barbaric torment. Once the punishment has been passed down, it must be carried out at any cost. So much for Islamic mercy and tolerance! If you thought that I am being too critical, then please be reminded that in Islam, homicide is not such a serious offence as sex is. That is to say, the punishment for a murder can be commuted to other sentence like Qias (retaliation) or Diya (blood money).Now contrast this if you will, with the laws for sexual offences.It looks like that taking a life is much simpler and easier than making love, especially for women, if we go by the Islamic rules.How barbaric and at the same time myopic view!

Who do you think is the 'real' owner of our sexual organs, in particular the sexual organs of women?No, it is not we, the humankinds. It is Islam.Believe it or not, Islam owns the sexual organs of every Muslim man and woman in this universe, all of it, including even the pubic hairs that grow there!Here is what the ahadith say about how to manage a woman's pubic hair.

Wife must shave pubic hair if husband returns home at night after a long journey...7.62.173

Sahih Bukhari:Volume 7, Book 62, Number 173:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "If you enter (your town) at night (after coming from a journey), do not enter upon your family till the woman whose husband was absent (from the house) shaves her pubic hair and the woman with unkempt hair, combs her hair" Allah's Apostle further said, "(O Jabir!) Seek to have offspring, seek to have offspring!"

Five practices of fitra 1.Circumcision; 2. Shaving pubic region; 3. Clipping nails 4. Cutting mustache short;5. Removal of arm pit hair...7.72.777

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 72, Number 777:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic region, clipping the nails and cutting the moustaches short."

One may wonder why Allah is so free to look into what a human possess between his/her two thighs. We always thought Allah has more important affairs to attend to!

If you ever thought that Allah gave you the sexual organ for your use as per your desire, then perish that thought.From birth to death, from adulthood to old age, from house to desert, every aspect of the use of your very own private part is controlled by innumerable, mindless, cruel and oftentimes utterly despicable Islamic rules as written in the Sha'ria, the so-called divine laws of Allah.One may legitimately ask why Sha'ria does not control the use of sexual organs of animals like cows, goats, horses, pigs, lions, tigers, birds, snakes, turtles and all other species that engage in copulation for fun and/or reproduction.It looks as if the animals have much more freedom on sexual activities than the human beings the best creation of Allah!Please give a serious thought on this and you cannot but be amazed by the downright infringement by Islam on the very basic right of a human being which is his/her privacy.The extreme barbarism in Islam to control the innate, natural and instinctive sexual desire and its joy is particularly aimed at keeping the virginity of women intact at all cost even going to the extreme of execution of a woman who dare to express her sexual desire in an un-Islamic (read pre-marital or otherwise) way.

One may wonder why Islam is so utterly obsessed with the virginity of women.I often thought about this after I came to the infidel land.In this land of 'sinners' and 'prostitutes' and 'sluts,' sex between consenting adults is not viewed as a crime, although application of physical force for carnal gratification may constitute a serious act of violence, which may carry prison sentence.In an Islamic paradise, on the other hand, sex between two opposite partners (or same sex partners) is absolutely haram whether consensual or not.More importantly, sexual gratification by a woman outside the bond of marriage is completely forbidden.Many Muslims who come to live in a western society will have great difficulty in understanding the values and ethos upon which their (the so called infidel west) concept of sexuality of men and women are based upon. To these Muslim men, most women who indulge in sex before their marriage are prostitutes, harlots, and whores and are available for an easy lay. That is why a lot of devout Muslim men have a hard time to have easy and professional relations with the western/infidel women they meet. For a Muslim man, a non-virgin woman is totally unthinkable for his consideration of marriage.These infidel women are for having a good time and for 'one-night stand' only.According to Islam, an unmarried woman must keep her sexual and reproductive organ in complete lock under any and all circumstances till she gets married. I gave a deep pondering over this issue of blatant deprivation of sexual joy in the name of Allah and religion. Then, while examining the Sahi Bukhari and Sahi Muslim, the most authentic of all ahadith, I came across with the following gems of ahadith. I found the reason why Allah is so paranoid on keeping intact the virginity of women at all times before marriage.Let us read these ahadith.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16:

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:

While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 38, Number 504:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

I was accompanying the Prophet on a journey and was riding a slow camel that was lagging behind the others. [...] When we approached Medina, I started going (towards my house). The Prophet said, "Where are you going?" I said, "I have married a widow." He said, "Why have you not married a virgin to fondle with each other?"[...]

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3459:

Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported:

I married a woman, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to me: Have you married? I said: Yes. He said: Is it a virgin or a previously married one (widow or divorced)? I said: With a previously married one, whereupon he said: Where had you been (away) from the amusements of virgins? Shu'ba said: I made a mention of it to 'Amr b. Dinar and he said: I too heard from Jabir making mention of that (that Allah's Apostle) said: Why didn't you marry a girl, so that you might sport with her and she might sport with you?

Please read those three ahadith once again. What picture do we get of a husband who is gracious enough in marrying a widow?Now contrast this with the recommendation of Muhammad (pbuh), the Prophet of Islam.What picture do we get of a husband who is obsessed in marrying a virgin possibly a very young virgin for that matter?Yes, it is the picture of a husband who is a molester, a sexual molester per se, if we say it bluntly.Remember, this is the recommendation from the messenger of Allah, who, himself had only one virgin girl in his harem. He must have found it exceedingly fun to be married with a very young virgin girl. This kind of child/female/sexual molestation must have the seal of approval of Allah, the almighty. Can this pleasure of sexual molestation be the real reason for Allah's absolute obsession with the virginity of young women?Can it be that Allah, Himself loves to fondle the virgins, since we read in the Quran that He has an abundant supply of virgin houris for His followers of Islam? Here are a few samples of verses from the holy Qur'an to demonstrate Allah's total fascination with the virginity of women.

http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/SexInIslam/sex_and_sexuality_in_islam.htm

Its a good thing that we have voices defending Islam on this site because engagement on the relative value of Western Civilization and Islam is telling. Islam needs to be put under the spotlight where its weakness of character will be highlighted. By weakness of character I mean how human life is valued on a cultural level and how that value is manifested. If you believe each person has value, a priori and God-given, then you invest in humans. That means we have education, charity, protection of the innocent, innvoation, creativity, art, literature, music, and break-throughs that improve the human condition.

In all these manifestations of value, tied to our respect for human life, compare Islam to Western Civilization. There is no comparison. Is there a lesson in that for us? Is there a moral equivalence between Islam and the free world?

So, to beat back Islam, we need to embrace the higher ideals in our culture, based on Judeo-Christian values, and use our examples of these ideals being put into practice relative to the horror show that Islam perpetrates on its own people let alone the West

Islam cannot win on the basis of valuing human life because it doesnt't. We need to get right with our belief-system and start playing offense in the information war which is a central battleground against our enemies.

On Sunday, August 15, a 16-year-old girl in the town of Neka, northern Iran, was executed. Ateqeh Sahaleh was hanged in public on Simetry Street off Rah Ahan Street at the city center.

The sentence was issued by the head of Neka’s Justice Department and subsequently upheld by the mullahs’ Supreme Court and carried out with the approval of Judiciary Chief Mahmoud Shahroudi.

In her summary trial, the teenage victim did not have any lawyer and efforts by her family to recruit a lawyer was to no avail. Ateqeh personally defended herself. She told the religious judge, Haji Rezaii, that he should punish the main perpetrators of moral corruption not the victims.

The judge personally pursued Ateqeh’s death sentence, beyond all normal procedures and finally gained the approval of the Supreme Court. After her execution Rezai said her punishment was not execution but he had her executed for her “sharp tongue”.

Chess

Invented by Muslims . That's what they are doing. Playing Chess. they are planning 5 or 6 moves ahead, and we are playing 1 move at a time. they are better at Propaganda, and better at manipulation and turnspeak. If you can't beat em , join em. we can't play by the rules of Politically correctness. they certainly are not. we need to have better Propaganda and we need to stop worrying about offending them and their sensibilities. they are not concerned about hypocricy or being PC because they don't have to . this is all a big set up. they will turn our morality against us. in fact they already have.

We need to learn to play Chess.

Today I am also reminded of my father who fought in the war against the Japanese in the pacific theatre on a flether Class Destroyer. After a long battle with the old war injuries that he received in Brunei Bay,Borneo on July 12th 1945 that finally came back to haunt him over the last dozen years, he passed away at 88 years of age this past saturday December 2nd..

I will eulogize him and I will salute him this sunday as a gold star member of America's Greatest generation.

Posted by: Mackie

Looks like I've been hogging the thread.. sorry everyone but I got a bit riled up.

God Bless your father, Mackie. That is what i wanted to say to you. He is one of the millions who saw to it that we can live at peace in this world right now.

I keep asking myself what went wrong since the end of that war. Why haven't the children and grandchildren of both sides been able to see the consquences of this war? Why can we not appreciate the sacrifice and the courage of those like your father who fought so that all of us may live in safety and in peace?

Is it that the victory was so certain that noone ever imagined that another war might ever have to be fought?

I have no answers but I will be trying to think about this and how we can relate these things to thosde around us and hopefully to the genereations to come.

May God Bless your father indeed, Mackie. We all say Thank you to him.

Great posts Mackie. Your dad is a hero to me and many other posters on this site as is my uncle who fought at Iwo and Okinawa and my dad who was in the Army Medical Corps. Many thanks for the posts, WalleyUK. Old Winston had it right about the Religion of Peace being better armed. I would say "Thank God" instead of "luckily".

Our leader of the same age said "all we have to fear is fear itself". The perfect Bible verse that covers that is- We have not been given a SPIRIT of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind. Isn't it interesting that Father God tells us that fear is the spiritual force of all the "isms" ( nazi-islam-race-jihad-etc.) and the anti-dote for fear is the spiritual force of His Love, and that true Power comes only from Him, AND that we have sound minds and the "isms" dont.

Also, I am very pleased with "stand fast", "big cat", and "carolyn2" for your stand in Faith and also several others.

It really speaks volumnes when history writers from each century since the 1400,s have noted the same thing about islam!

I forgot to add this to my last post. Thanks yohannbiimu, I will always remember "A pile of steaming feces"!!

Hahahahahahahaha

Very well done Robert and thank you for all of your contributions in this cause. We must never forget.

Sister of Islam, no one wants to hear your mumbo jumbo especially on this particular thread. Save it for another day, if you can. But no, you would have to spoil our commemoration.

Sister in islam, - you too -

Dear (?) Human beings,

My name is Shabana and as my name suggests, I am an animal. I was born as a human being, but being a Muslima, I chose to live the life of an animal. Today, I proudly consider myself an animal, though I look like a human being. I am ashamed of my physical appearance, so I cover myself with a tent like garment called Burkhah. Only my eyes are seen outside. I told you about my dress only to make you understand how much we Muslims hate human beings. We are even ashamed of our appearance, i.e. of human beings. All kafirs are dirty human beings. All Muslims are proud animals. Like you human beings have your own religions called Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism etc, we animals also have our own religion called Islam. Animals who follow Islam are called Muslims. All animals are not Muslims, but all Muslims are animals. We have our own animal god called Mr. Allah, the most merciful (Allah is his surname). There are 1.4 billion Muslims all over the world. So we are not a rare species like polar bears. The scientific name for Muslims is Islamo Homo sapiens.

http://www.islam-watch.org/Shabana/LetterFromAnimal.htm

Greek Gurl is right. The USA, Russia, UK and other countries are doing the ultimate stupidity by empowering these countries with weapons.

usa doest like the EU so it pressures the EU to except turkey the usa knows that turkey will weaken europe just like the usa used islam to break up soviet union and to break up yugoslavia also the british have used islam as a
Posted by Greek Gurl

The US helped to create the EU, putatively to discourage Europeans from waging their incessant wars with each other. It was a BIG mistake. My feeling is that Bush and the US State Department encourage the admission of Turkey to the EU to advance the New World Order agenda-- global, one world government. The sooner they can "unite" the world, the sooner the UN can take over and rule us all. That is the master plan and it is advancing steadily, albeit a little behind schedule.

The NAU is being created right under our noses and is due to be a done deal by 2010. As soon as all of the major "unions" are created, they will be consolidated or merged, and unelected elites and bureaucrats will create global laws to govern everyone on the planet. International law was the precursor to eventual global government. No more nation states, no more borders, no more freedom, no more identities, no more nationalities---just one big, disparate world with all the same problems, differences, and hostilities. But the good news is that when the NWO is up and running, there will never be another war. Ask Bush, Sr.; he has been a long time, outspoken advocate of U.N global government.

The ruling elites, many of whom are agnostics or atheists, do not grasp the concept of political religions. That is why they cannot name the enemy; they haven't discovered the enemy. They have eliminated islam as a potential enemy because islam is just a religion. How could a religion pose a political threat? They see the evidence every day but they reject it because it does not compute, it does not meet the stereotypical criteria. Holy wars are ancient historical relics; people don't fight holy wars in the 21st century. Our multiculti, utopian leaders are obtuse, unimaginative, devoid of curiosity, completely uninterested in unconventional ideas and advice, ignorant of history, and utterly convinced that all religions and people are basically the same. They project Western values and morality on islam and muslims, oblivious to the obvious -- islam is the polar opposite of Western Civilization and Western philosophical thought. If any of them understood islam, they would have seen the futility of "democratizing" the Middle East and saved thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

Even if Bush, Blair, and the ivory tower elites in the EU woke up tomorrow and realized what we already know, they couldn't name islam as the enemy. It's too late for Europe to do that; there are too many muslims in Europe. The U.S. could do it, but the cowards in our government never will.

..."The ruling elites, many of whom are agnostics or atheists, do not grasp the concept of political religions.

susanp,

I believe the political elites grasp the concept, but are too attached to any material or prestigous gain (ie "contributions" and peer praise) to be honest about the state of affairs with regard to our nations future. The academic elite are getting endowments from islamics. The politicians are feeding off of this also, as well as the major media
owners.

Speaking of WWII , I found a few Churchill Quotes that i think are very relevant to our times. Especially in light of the Denial to face what we must. He was unpopular for telling the world what it needed to hear. we can learn from him

" An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."

-Winston Churchill

" If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future."

-Winston Churchill

" It is no use saying, 'We are doing our best.' You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary."

-Winston Churchill

" One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!"

-Winston Churchill

" You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else. "

-Winston Churchill

Islam is the enemy, and we continue to leave it in is pure and "holy" state, it is off limits to discuss, or attack. The "Religion of peace" has not, as yet, been the focus of those who should know, and probally do know. It is the heart of the enemy's army, the aim must be true to reach it , and bring it to understanding.

War is required in islam, war against all who differ. Unrelenting, until the "peace" of islam blankets the world.

The follower of islam carries this understanding, without question. Those brought to islam by request, or force, or birth. To a follower, islam is life, not love, science, tech, indeed only islam will lead to the "real" life.

This cloudy mirror, where all that is, may need to be dropped, and broken. Thrown down with force, never to be seen again . Tears at the thought, the mirror of islam.

**"Sister", it is clear as glass to a Christian just who allah is. You have been deceived by the "father of lies". Lucifer desired to rise above God and usurp His throne, he coveted the worship that God receives...so he appeared to muhammad as an "angel of light". He knew this was the one to give him his kingdom and worship...notice that islamic worship is forced, if you do not pray 5 times a day you will be punished. Force! Violence! Murder! That is the legacy of islam and it's false god.

Posted by: Carolyn2**

Well said!

May I add,

2 Corinthians Chapter 11

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Matthew Chapter 24

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Matthew Chapter 7

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits….

I think the fact that Muslim women can say that Islam has a relatively good track record towards gender equality, shows you how powerful Islamic brainwashing is. Powerful enough to have 100's of burqua laden women protesting the removal of the rape protection laws in Pakistan.

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Posted by: yohannbiimu: This "Sister In Islam" person is the worst sort of troll. All she does is drop her propaganda (no doubt what her imam spoon-fed her), and flees.

Sort of like tossing grenades into the enemies camp.
Lots of muslims post like that. They drop their little bomb full of lies and distortions, then run so they dont have to deal with the flack.
Naseem at least, sticks around for the flack, but then, I think she is lonely (since the death of her shor). She comes here because only infidel scum are willing to give her loving companionship...

It may be that Sister In Islam has led a sheltered thought police controlled life.

The facts are that Muslim men abduct and rape Christian girls and teens all the time. They try to force their conversions. Muslim men also repeatedly rape Christian girls in Pakistan and other Muslim dominated countries who are forced to be servants in their homes. ***None*** of these men are brought to justice. The only one I know of is the Saudi national who was convicted in the United States for holding a servant enslaved in his home and raping her.

Many Christian girls and women have been raped in Pakistan, Egypt, Sudan, Saudi Arabia by Muslim men.

In Sudan, Muslim men cut off the breast of a nursing Christian mom so she could not have enough milk for her baby so the baby would starve.

It would take pages and pages to list the atrocities being committed by Muslim men against Christian women.

I challenge you to compare the lives of Jesus in the New Testament (not the Koran) to the life of the founder of Islam. Jesus never abducted or raped any woman...but treated every woman with respect. You will not be able to say the same thing about the founder of Islam.

Sister In Islam wrote, "Those men who treat women bad will be tortured by Allahs will in hell, inshalla."

We already knew that. Hell is Allah's domain.

"Instead we give support to Turkey's entry into the EU, we give support to Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, yet no one gets upset about that".
Posted by: Niv.

Well, my friend, I think you should first call on the sexy greek minister of foreign affairs Bakoyanni and the this numbskull Tassos Papadopoulos to stop acting as if they would be willing to support turkey's entry into the EU conditional on opening its ports to cyprus, bla,bla...

You should know that this creep Erdogan and hıs gang of "mild" islamofascists don't give damn about whether the EU would accept turkey or not. However, they, on their side, are pretending to support the EU monkey business as they see this will be the only to weaken the military, the last secular stronghold in the country. Of course the EU may not care about this. I think, however, greece and cyprus should be most concerned ones about having an "islamic republic of turkey" as their closest neighbor. Another thing, the elections are getting closer and islamic monkey Erdogan has to show his muslim fundamentalist face as well as play nationalist to keep his electoorate satisfied and, if possible, steal some seats from the ultranationalist action party.

At least, france and austria are to be congratulated on that account as they are the most sincere among other eurabian sissies.

We have floundered greatly since WWII.

It seems to me our problems are three fold.

1. Islam is at war with all non-Muslims.

2. Western leaders are having great difficulty accepting what the majority of what their citizens know to be the enemy, Islam.

3. Citizens that recognize Islam as the enemy are not electing leaders that have their point of view.

Until we elect leaders from among us that share our knowledge, the first two items cannot be righted, because they do not truly represent us.

Democrats, Republicans, conservatives, liberals, Christians, Jews, the young or the old, did not win WWII. Americans won it. We were a nation of many ideologies. There were even communists and socialists among our citizens that fought. Don’t lose sight of this because when war was delivered to us, ALL fought as Americans.

We were a vibrant nation, not because we enjoyed tranquility in domestic matters, but because of the constant give and take that moved us forward. Today we divide ourselves when most we must come together.

Neither Democrats nor Republicans can serve our nation well when they are not Americans first, foremost, and forever. It means nothing if they vote to defend our flag, but neglect to protect our nation. I want, and we need, red-blooded Americans!

Our citizens do not fear a long war, but they absolutely hate a war purposely prolonged by our leaders. We know that from Korea, Viet Nam, and now Iraq. The same was true during the Civil War until General Sherman delivered war intended to end that conflict.

We will likely stumble about the next two years until elections come once again. I’ve already decided my vote will be cast for those candidates that acknowledge Islam is the enemy, intend to fully engage our enemy by every means, and if the candidates are brave enough to hang the red cross of the Crusades over their personal donkey or elephant, all the better.

In the meantime we must shoulder the fight and share our knowledge with ALL Americans. It is time for Americans to rise up!

Assalamau Laikum all,

It is unimaginable that there would be a war between Europe and the Amerike...but unfortunately I can envisigen this.

It is clear that the Europe will be Islamic over the next few decades. This is inevitable and this is so because ....Allah SWT wills it.

Most "Eurabia" ministers will be Islamic and sharia will creep in scope all over....in effect Eurabian society will be a mix of a the Middle East/Pak culture with cocasian culture in the background somewhere, chinese/hindu culture will be just so much "white" noise.

The Amerike ofcourse will be so alarmed with these developments...we can see signs of this today in Iraq and Afghan... where you are trying to kill something you call "global terrorism" at source...but the name "global" actually reveals that this will fail. In effect I think the strategy is to try and change the global bit to "localised".

As Eurabia gets more and more mulim ministers... and congress becomes more Islamic... the Amerike clinging desperately to a tiny "non-islamic" majority will start a cruel, unwanted, unwarranted, biased, and reckless catastophic war of such proportions as the world has not seen before...and this dusguised "for their own survival".

In it the Kafur of europe (eh..sorry Eurabia) ...the very ancestors of "modern" Amerike could be wiped off the map of Eurabia.

However the $64M questions will be "can we live with ourseleves in doing that, have we started too late...and can we survive anyway?"

A lot of the Amerike will perish too caught in the retalitory strikes...and the few obese stright thinking ones will say "stop this madness...Islam is not so bad...we like Allah, we will convert for peace"....and there you have it...PHEW!, judgement day avoided by a whisker...and global Islam in the nick of time as your saviour...at last the world is at peace.

Robert and Hugh recall the acts of bravery of the allied forces in bringing down the nazis and have a wishful thinking about having the same political will(now) which would be conducive to a settling of accounts with islam.

Still, they should themselves ask why the US considers ıran as the biggest threat but turns a blind eye on saudia arabia which is the most important financial source for worldwide jihad and rely on pakistan (already having nukes) as an ally in the fight against the taliban.

Even a child knows today that taliban was fabricated in pakistan and dumped into neighboring afganistan to fight soviet army.

They should also ask why in London, there are many quarters in which the shops, hotels, restaurants have become predominantly arab-owned, and visitors here frequently see women in burqa with faces hidden by leather masks.

They should wonder about why germany made such a big neglect in selecting immigrant workers from a pool of turks with traditions and culture diametrically opposite to european values.

Because of a mixture of neglect, greed, selfishness and myopia still prevailing in the west, not only the west, but the whole world is facing an unprecedented danger. A danger which, unlike nazism and communism is spreading all over the world.

When you fight an enemy having a front, at least you know its location.. This enemy has no location. It is everywhere..

"2. Western leaders are having great difficulty accepting what the majority of what their citizens know to be the enemy, Islam."

I am continually fascinated by how people seem to know what the majority of the people think & feel. I see no indication that the situation is this hopeful.

If Islam is so great why is the Christian faith growing by leaps and bounds in the global south, to the point that they are even sending needed missionaries to the west to re-Christianize it? Also the number (#1) best-selling book of all time, which will never change is the Holy Bible.

As I sit here watching the slow start of WW3 I had this thought and decided to share. Islam messed up. By attempting to tie up, weaken and strike the US. They declared war on the only power stronger enough to crush them. Despite Islam and our own dhimmis, the word is spreading, talks shows, some politicians, news anchors and preachers are all awake. The next step will be forcing the dhimmis to realize islam will not just go away nor will its demise be an easy victory for us.

Islams mistake was attacking the west. They thought because of our global reach we were their biggest threat. They were right and should have cemented a hold in Europe before messing with us. They are too weak to both attempt a take over of Europe and the US. Where they went wrong is depending on all muslim to tow the party line, this has caused chaos throughout the muslim word. Iraqis are killing Iranians, foreign fighters from everywhere and other Iraqis, all in the name of Islam. Somali are Killing Somali, death is a growth industry in islam. They will start to feel their mistake hit home when someone wakes up to the fact that these idiots have wasted this generation. Suicide bombings are down not because our technology got any better. Islam just has a shortage of stupid kids. How many islamic mothers have lost their future? Who is going to care for the elderly mothers of islam? This is why the want immigration into Europe and other areas, which do have welfare, they fully understand the islamic world will abandon them and claim it is allahs will. Who is going to pay the medical bills for all the blind, maimed muslim youths, stupid enough to stand up to a US Marine? They don’t have the resources to care for these people and they wouldn’t anyway.

Muslims are starving all over North Africa and the non-African muslims could care less. There is no “ummah” it is a myth, Islam is just a series of armed gangs and thugs. I know this fight has many fronts and at first glance appears hopeless. Almost like shoveling jello but we have one easy method to fight back with. Money, stop responding to every natural and man made disaster and the global reach of the US will be felt everywhere, stop bankrolling nations who do not enforce our values and watch entire regions crumble, stop worrying about trade restrictions and spend inside the US. Watch and record, which politicians, groups and commercial interests support Islamic causes, vote and shop accordingly. Money is a powerful weapon the truth is even more powerful and will the cause the downfall of Islam.

Sister in islam - now can you reason this???

Flora del Mindanao Left Islam
by Flora del Mindanao

12 July, 2006

The following is a harrowing true account from a former Muslim. It describes in detail how her experiences in Saudi Arabia forced her to accept that Islam is not the "religion of peace" as it has been described. In her own words, Flora del Mindanao tells why she could not remain a Muslim:
MY STORY

a shocking revelation
http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/FloraDel.htm

You have my condolences and prayers in regards to your father, Mackie.

88 years is simply too short a life for men like him to live.

And soon, all WWII veterans will pass from existence. Just a few days ago one of the last living US WWI veterans died at 106.

AS TRUE AS IT CAN GET - THANKS TO INFIDEL OVER AT ISLAM WATCH

Muslim's Way to Refute the Facts
by Infidel

07 Dec, 2006

Whenever you criticize anything related to Islam, Allah, Muhammad, Sharia laws or muslim community, you will find a refutation immediately. To refute something is OK but the way muslims refute is funny. Here are some most common ways of a muslim-refute, the order may change depending upon your and muslim’s caliber:

1. First of all, muslims will say, “This is false information”, “This is a lie”.
Whatever you say is wrong and whatever they say is only right.

2. Next step is Taqqiya. i.e. “Islam means peace”, “Islam was not spread by sword but love”, “No compulsion in religion”,

3. If you quote from Koran or hadith, you will be accused of quoting verses in bits and pieces.

4. And be prepared for accusation that the verses you quoted are twisted and out of context.

5. If you provide reference to your quote, then muslims will say “All your references are false and lies”, which implies only their references are true and correct.

6. You will be advised to “Read the koran first and you will see the light”

7. If you say you have already read it then they will doubt you as if you are a liar.

8. If you quote full verses (not bits & pieces) from koran and hadith, your translation is incorrect / misleading. Then you will be advised to learn Arabic and read original version.

9. If you say, I read the same Koran with most authentic translations, which muslims are referring to, then you will be asked “Did you read only the cover?”, “Read it with open mind” (Read with closed mind, like a muslim reads by keeping thier brains aside)

10. Besides your reading of translated Koran or even though you know arabic, if you quote Koran, they quote hadith, tafseer etc, if you quote hadith, then they will say "Only Koran is authentic".

11. After all this, you are still willing to continue, they will distract you and other readers from original issue/topic and feed plenty of irrelevant issues.

12. You are still sticking to the original issue, Muslims will refer your / other religions’ scriptures like Bible, Torah, Vedas, Geeta etc and other events and personnels like Bush, Blair, Indira Gandhi, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine etc.

13. Be prepared for one or more muslims to showing their way of convincing, such as Copy & paste stuff or reference from crap Islamic sites. This includes verses from Koran & hadith, twisted facts from non islamic holy scriptures like mohammad is prophesized in all of them.

14. In this connection, one or more muslims will write about Miracles in the Koran. Remember that whatever is discovered in recent time, Muslims will attribute it to Koran, but they will keep quite till it is discovered. They will never say about the fallacies in Koran like “Sky is a dome on imaginary pillars”, “Sun sets in mud”, “sun revolving around the earth” etc. If you draw their attention to these fallacies, they will copy and paste crap again which is totally illogical and irrational. You will be again advised to read Koran.

15. You are about to loose your patience but still continuing, then comes personal attack. You will be abused as fool, stupid, idiot, pig, dog etc

16. If that does not work, then there will be accusation of taking money for your criticism of islam. You may get this also “Western media is biased, its propaganda to defame islam, Islam is wronged by all non muslims” etc.

17. Even than if you are not stopping, then muslims will run for your mother and sister.

18. You are stubborn and still want to continue, you will be cursed like “Burn in hell, you will repent on last day, still time to seek the truth” etc

19. Towards the end, when all above ways are failed, you will be threatened directly like, “beware, watch it, keep cool, my sincere advice” or indirectly like “Give me your email id, don’t hide behind false name, you are a coward (since you have false id on net), and lastly invitation to go to debate one to one or visit mosques or Islamic centers like Islamic Research Foundation in person” etc.

20. And finally- its drum beating, for all Muslioms, as if they won a debate, even when they lose miserably, because Koran is the word of allah.

http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Infidel.htm

Please read the post of Nassem at 5:23 a.m. above. She is what she says she is: a female, resident of Pakistan, a member of the Ahmadiya sect that is regarded by many non-Muslims as one of the least aggressive and dangerous versions of Islam, and by Muslims, including the government of Pakistan on its official documents, as non-Muslims (pejoratively called "Qadianis") because of the claims to prophethood of its 19th-century founder.

She is consistent: Islam will and should rule the world. But she appeals to us, in the West, to accept and welcome this fate. And we, those Western Muslims, or "wuslims" as she puts it, will somehow manage to soften or change the real Islam, the Islam she knows and fears and hates and loves and is confused about all at the same time, because she is both a mental and physical prisoner of Islam. She knows little or nothing of the outside world, really, even if she may upon occasion have travelled to the United Kingdom (this is unclear). Her views of the United States are as comically off as they can possibly be, and so too are her views of what non-Muslims are beginnig, in very large numbers, and despite their idiotic leaders (including Bush, including Blair), to understand. Not everyone, you see, allows his brain to be formed by the BBC World Service, or The Guardian.

Her posts have never been banned because they are so instructive.

Look again at that post of 5.23 a.m. That is her fervent wish, her hope. It is the hope, and the belief, of many other Muslims. Everything must be done to make sure that Western Europe is not islamized, whatever it takes, and of course if the Czechs were perfectly justified in expelling the ethnic Germans, the so-called Sudeteners, in order to assure themselves a modicum of security, surely the peoples of Western Europe are entitled to consider any and all such actions, beginning with shutting off all Muslim immigration, making the conduct of Muslim life not easy but difficult, no longer subsidizing with all kinds of domestic Jizyah the transfer of non-Muslim taxpayers' wealth to Muslims taking full advantage of everything the welfare state constructed by and for the non-Muslim indigenes, and paid for by them, and now taken such advantage of, including fraudulent advantage, by Muslims in so many Western countries.

It is entirely possible, there is still time, to halt and reverse the presence of Islam in the Western World. It is entirely possible for new, better educated and better prepared, leaders to replace those now on view, clumsily attempting either appeasement (as with that collection of the Great and Good, the eternal collection of Board Members, who made up the Iraq Study Group headed by a shill for the Gulf Arabs and another a dutiful supporter of the Robert-Malley school of "everything connects to Israel and "Palestine" -- a modern variant on the Nazi notion that everything connected to "the Jewish Question"), or messianic polypgragmonic "democracy," somehow, in a way never quite specified, leading to a diminution of the menace of Islam, as if "democracy" in Egypt would lead to something other than more, not less Islam, as it did in the "Palestinian" elections, and would in Lebanon, if real democracy were permitted, and Hezbollah and the Shi'a got the representation their numbers would democratically entitle them to, or as would happen in Syria, if the Alawite rulers were ever to allow real elections, which would of course bring about the ascendancy of the Sunni Arabs and the Ikhwan.

Between competing sets of idiocy, one becomes confused. One is so used to having many bad choices, but at least one semi-acceptable choice. In what is currently on offer, as one can see in the solemn debates over the Iraq Study Group, where no one in Washington dares to question the definition of "winnning" when, for example, Robert Gates says "no, Senator, we are not winning" and not a soul asks: Perhaps we won? Perhaps we have permitted, with the removal of Saddam Hussein, the setting in motion of events that will inevitably divide and demoralize the camp of Islam? Perhaps what you, Mr. Gates, and all these others call "catastrophe" in Iraq is no catastrophe at all, but a means to preoccupy Sunni and Shi'a alike, to cause them to squander men, money, materiel, even perhaps to have, if the Shi'a win, the Saudis begging us to protect them, as they wanted us to during the First Gulf War, and this time, we may -- but only if they pay us, say, a few hundred billion (for a start), and if furthermore they agree to stop all funding of mosques, madrasas, armies of Western hirelings, including those at academic centers that are Saudi-funded, and CAIR-like groups all over the Western world. That may be a "catastrohpe" for Robert Gates, and the Bush Administration, and the stolid Board-Members (just the kind of solid, dull people corporations like to have on their boards, and that's what they are: they are Board Members)whom James Baker rounded up for his ludicrous committee with its comical and worthless suggestions.

"Frankly, there are no new ideas on Iraq." Robert Gates confidently told the Senate. Really? No "new ideas"? What about the idea that the messianic impulse was based on a misunderstanding of Islam, and on the nature of the enemy. Did no one see fit, at this point, to declare the "war on terror" a misleading and dangerous and stupid phrase, because it left out the main instruments of Jihad -- money, Da'wa, and demographic conquest? Did no one even try to mention that just possibly the only return on the half-trillion dollar investment worth having was a diminution in the power of the Camp of Islam, and that this could be achieved in Iraq, indeed had already been achieved by the beginning of 2004, and the great failure of American policy was in not defining that "victory" correctly, and recognizing that it had been achieved, and that the longer we stayed, and squandered men's lives, and money, and materiel, in an attempt to undo that "victory," and to prevent the very fissures, ethnic and sectarian, that we should welcome, and figure out ways to exploit them furter (as, for example, using an independent Kurdistan as a means to destabilize both Syria and Iran, and to serve as a model for other non-Arab Muslims (e.g. Berbers) suppressed or oppressed by the Arabs). Nothing new under Mr. Gates's tiny little sun, perhaps. But there is plenty, once you get outside, and start to think, the tiny little box of Official Washington.

It will take only one or two political figures who begin to tell, even obliquely, the truth. It need not necessarily be someone currently running for President. Or even someone currently in office. But it has to be someone.

When

I think we need to study and expose the fine-prints of islamization.

What's the role and calculated function of the 'moderate' etc..

Kia ora Robert

Well said. Keep up the excellent work.

Greek Gurl, Fanatic et al.

from Winston Churchill in 1941 (no less):

From what I have seen of our Russian friends and Allies during the war, I am convinced that there is nothing they admire so much as strength, and there is nothing for which they have less respect than for weakness, especially military weakness. For that reason the old doctrine of a balance of power is unsound. We cannot afford, if we can help it, to work on narrow margins, offering temptations to a trial of strength. If the Western Democracies stand together in strict adherence to the principles of the United Nations Charter, their influence for furthering those principles will be immense and no one is likely to molest them. If however they become divided or falter in their duty and if these all-important years are allowed to slip away then indeed catastrophe may overwhelm us all.

---I would say Sir Winston Churchill hit the nail on the head.In todays world, the Western Democraciers are not standing together, the United Nations Charter is a joke and the lessons learned in fighting the Nazis are slipping away. The Russians see Islam as strong and the West as weak. The Russians are in de facto, allies with Islam. For you to insinuate we need to call for a truce with Russia is just plain stupid. In the long histories of Islam and Russia, neither has ever honored a truce, Negotiations have always resulted in the death of the weaker opponent, appeasement has always resulted in the slavery of the ones trying to appease and both Russia and Islam have always sought to enslave/conquer the weaker side..Make no doubt about it Russia would love just as much as the Islamic nutcases to see America destroyed. (do not think for one minute that Russia does not have nuclear weapons and may have given nuclear weapons to the Islamic nutcases).

Become a slave if you want to, but I choose to oppose Islam, terror and the Russians.

Sister in Islam:

Muslims are not nazis. Why do you keep comparing us to them. Nazis raped and killed. In Islam is a man rapes he is stoned to death (a slow and painful death). We women are protected from rape, unlike virgin girls in christianity and judiasm. I know your bible and it disgusts me. I'm sorry to say but your book does not revere women no matter how much you lie and say it does.

BAH-- you are a fool.

Women are protected from Rape--that is a joke.

In Islam generally for a woman to accuse the rapist, she must produce 4 witnesses. Without the witnesses AND a confession from the accused rapist, the victim will stand accused by the accusation, she will be accused of ZINA (sexual activity outside of marriage), which is punishable by stoning or prison. (did know, 3 out of 4 women in Islamic prisons are rape victims).

The woman could also be charged with adultry, which is punishable by stoning.

No wonder a Muslim woman is protected from rape--most often, it just did not happen as it cannot be proved.

You say:

Muslims are not nazis. Why do you keep comparing us to them. Nazis raped and killed.

Did you know it was a Grand Mufti who advised the Nazis on how to kill the Jews? It was the Grand Mufti and other Muslim advisors who designed the Nazi concentration camps and ovens to help the Nazis kill about 6,000,000 people.

Muslims are compared to Nazis as they worked together for a common cause--the death of the Jews and other undesirables.

Sister, you are misinformed and a fool.

Robert:
I think at this point we are like lone wolves howling in the darkness trying to warn others of the danger coming out of Islam. The Islamics have armed thesmselves long ago in the idealogical war and its only when we align ourselves in "packs" that the real effort will grow. As we muster the intellectual ammunition the Islamists will fall because as Ali Sina says they have nothing ot stand on.

Unfortunately, I forsee Infidel blood and another ghastly attack by these monsters on US soil before a large part of our population wakes up. Right now the American wolves are too busy feasting on the techno toy frenzy and their political and religious leaders are nowhere to be found.

Briars,

I don't think so, but islam is so unreasonable and a lie that everyone knows about it. The only problems are in not taking them serious in their attempt to fullfill their Jihad.

People rather ignore and whipe it away as stupidity and believe that it will resolve by itself and there is where the danger lies.

We should not underestimate their fanatic approaches. Instead it should be written and warned about it all over the skies.

We need to extend our facilities to cover every square mile with the truth on this planet.

The problem is that Muslims have bought into a belief system that was totally fabricated. We know that Mohammed existed because of all the carnage he left behind. He also left behind a belief system that was brilliant in terms of keeping a perpetual army of killers and martyrs at the ready. Islam was not only spread by the sword, but by fear and keeping muslims ignorant and programmed (five times a day is good for training the conscious and subconscious mind)

Allah doesn't exist and the Koran is a fairy tale, albeit a rather dark and nasty one.

So given the Islam is the largest cult in the history of mankind, how does one de-programme one billion people?

And to the point that Eurabia will become a reality, I don't think so. Europeans will wake up soon and realize the nightmare in their midst. They, as we, are awakening from our slumber and Islam will begin to take it on the chin. It takes awhile to get free people ready for a fight, its not our nature unlike Muslims, but its happening.

a shocking revelation
http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/FloraDel.htm

Arnie l read that story and how sad and tragic what this poor women went through, tears came down, when she called that Pakistan shop keep father, she was beaten and weak, he was probalby the only real man since her father that treated her so well. l dont know how any muslim women can even begin to defend this cult. it is ingrained to beat women down, and all non muslims. you see that with any women wanting a hint of freedom to chose, oh how l appreciate our lives in the West, and how l will defend it to my death as life is not worht living without freedom.

fanatic,

In response to your post, I believe you have misunderstood mine. Greek Gurl had only included half of the story. I agreed with her half (at least generally), as I stated, and then included the half of the story she left out.

Ralph Peters wrote an interesting piece some time ago where he made the case that a key to undermining radical Islam is muslim women rising up against their treatment by the religion of peace. Its a nice thought but unrealistic because most muslim women are uneducated and have no skills other than serving their masters (men). What are they going to do? How will they survive? Where will they go? They have no choice but to follow and submit and try to aviod getting stoned to death. What a bizarre world the muslims have created for themselves.

you can not win a war unless you fight the war. The war is against the filth that is the cult of islam and we have yet to fight this war.

3,000 innocent Americans died on 9/11...........

2,400 soldiers died on 12/7/1941............and we went to all out war and finally ending WW2 with two nuke strikes on Japan............

where has the leadership and bravery disappeared to in America????

How many times has America stopped Israel from defeating her enemies??????????/

we are being defeated by our own PCness and waging war against the real enemey.....the cult of islam.............

God bless American, Israel, England, Australia, our Allies and Fighting Forces and keep us Free.

The Texican.
God, Family, America and Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

A little late but not forgotten...My uncle Calvin Stevens, served in WW2. He was a second lieutenent in the US Army. He was 162 days on the Quadalcanal front, leading patrols into the jungle nightly. Near the end of the war he was shot in the chest by a Japanese sniper. He survived and was sent to Korea for that conflict. Comming out of a bunker with a sergeant on 'Hearbreak Ridge', an enemy mortar landed on them, killing the sergeant and blowing my uncles legs off. He lived the rest of his life as a double amputee in a wheel chair. My uncle was a first class hero...There are numerous hero's in the military now, many are seving in 'hot' areas. My uncle would have been proud of them...I am proud of them now.

wow posts like some of the above warm my heart. As you all know my handle is about WWII and about the future. The Allies of WWII were not only America and Britain but the whole british commonwealth and many European countries (like Greece who was with the ALLIES even before pearl harbor --where my grandfather fought side by side with kiwi soldiers on Crete smashing Nazi skulls. At one point he had no more bullets but used a knife to kill two more of them before an American came to his aid.) Folks I believe strongly that the Allies will wake up again and I pray to God that its soon because I do not want America to stand alone. As for the country Im part of --Canada Ill fight like my grandfather did if I have to. I will not allow islams filthy moon replace the beloved maple leaf.

God Bless America
God Bless all the Free World.
God Save the Queen.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WWII.png

Didn't get a chance to comment yesterday. This is simply one of the best, most clear and lucid, essays I have read on JW/DW.

Thank you, Robert, especially on a day when we had to hear the results of the Baker report on Iraq (it was everything that Hugh predicted, and less), and listen to all the Middle East Experts (tm) expounding on how the Baker report didn't go far enough, we need to appease more, we need to help the Islamic nations more, and how much the Islamic nations want freedom and democracy, if we could just give it to them. Rarely in the history of mankind have so many been so wrong about so much.

So, thank you Robert, for providing the lone breath of fresh air on a dreary day.

Posted by: Naseem at December 8, 2006 05:23 AM
"As Eurabia gets more and more mulim ministers... and congress becomes more Islamic... the Amerike clinging desperately to a tiny "non-islamic" majority will start a cruel, unwanted, unwarranted, biased, and reckless catastophic war of such proportions as the world has not seen before...and this dusguised "for their own survival"."

You bet your boney Muslim ass we will.

Posted by: Naseem at December 8, 2006 05:23 AM
"However the $64M questions will be "can we live with ourseleves in doing that?"

You bet your boney Muslim ass we can.

Posted by: Naseem at December 8, 2006 05:23 AM
"A lot of the Amerike will perish too caught in the retalitory strikes."

Doubtful, but if true, then All of the Middle East and Eurabia will be gone as well.

Tell me Naseem, being a woman, do you get 72 male virgins in Allah's paradise when you go?

Posted by: exsgtbrown

---I would say Sir Winston Churchill hit the nail on the head.In todays world, the Western Democraciers are not standing together, the United Nations Charter is a joke and the lessons learned in fighting the Nazis are slipping away. The Russians see Islam as strong and the West as weak. The Russians are in de facto, allies with Islam. For you to insinuate we need to call for a truce with Russia is just plain stupid. In the long histories of Islam and Russia, neither has ever honored a truce, Negotiations have always resulted in the death of the weaker opponent, appeasement has always resulted in the slavery of the ones trying to appease and both Russia and Islam have always sought to enslave/conquer the weaker side..Make no doubt about it Russia would love just as much as the Islamic nutcases to see America destroyed. (do not think for one minute that Russia does not have nuclear weapons and may have given nuclear weapons to the Islamic nutcases).

Become a slave if you want to, but I choose to oppose Islam, terror and the Russians.

exsgtbrown actually the US/UK are also allies with islam the west supported islam against russia. you say that russia would love to see the usa destroyed by islam well maybe thats becuase the usa has always been using islam to try and destroy russia like the usa supporting chechnya as a islamic state for example and in afganistan and yes it is stupid that russia is sellnig missles to iran and helping them with a nuclear powerplant but what about the british empire when it was in india it helped the creation of pakistan a nucelar power country as well as islamic how do you know pakistan wont sell any weapons to terrorist?

i am not a slave to anyone and i will not appease islam and i will not appease the us/uk either who wishes for the downful of russia or any other orthodox christian country

Archimedes, you're right it's sometimes difficult to gain a full understanding of some posts, as I try to read as many as I can, as fast as I can.

Niv

remote_control,

You wrote, “I am continually fascinated by how people seem to know what the majority of the people think & feel. I see no indication that the situation is this hopeful.”

At some point we come to accept what people express as being their individual truth on a matter. Admittedly I base my observations on major polls querying people on the subject of Muslims, Islam, and international matters. Most of these poll results are available at http://www.pollingreport.com . Together, the polls undertaken by a wide array of services paint an interesting picture.

The polls indicate a majority of our citizens do not view a single Islamic state as an ally. A majority polled believes Islam does not teach respect of non-Muslims.

Where the disconnect occurs is with Muslims domestically. It’s only my opinion, but it would seem President Bush’s undertaking to promote Islam as a religion of peace feeds this disconnect. Reading the poll results generated immediately after 9-11 to the present reflect the success of his activity, but it has been steadily losing validity within our nation over the years. As time passes, how the majority views Islamism on the international front is again becoming our domestic view of Islam. It is slowed only by our elected that have difficultly expressing the connection between international Islam and domestic Islam. Through sheer ignorance or purpose, our leaders treat the two as separate entities despite Islam not having such a disconnect.

Former President Nixon once hit upon a theme that most Americans believed was true. He spoke of a silent majority. He rode that silent majority to victory. That silent majority still exists, but it has no voice among our leaders. We are to blame.

We spend the majority of our concerted efforts exposing international Islam, not Islam within our borders. Voices like Brigitte Gabriel are the exception, not the rule.

In late September, all eyes were focused on activities within the UN. No where was there mention of Islamic meetings taking place within our borders during this time, yet they occurred. During the week of UN activities, the Secretary General of The Organization of Islamic States was conducting meetings within our nation to coordinate Islamic activities. The OIC is a federation of 57 Islamic states. As a federation, it is similar to the federation our own nation had before the ratification of our constitution. The OIC enjoys benefits denied our Republic. The OIC has 57 votes within the UN where our own nation of 50 republics has but one.

It goes beyond lunacy to allow a foreign entity to conduct activities within our nation considering how the majority of our citizens view that entity, Islam, on the international scene. Our nation allowed no similar activity among the German Bund or Japanese Black September during WWII. Such activities should not be allowed now.

We need greater attention on the domestic activities of Muslims within our nation to bridge the divide between domestic and international Islam to overcome the message of President Bush and other such leaders. We must not neglect international Islam in seeking to report domestic Islam. We have to stop addressing Islam as the enemy at the gates. It has already passed through the gates and is moving freely among us. The majority of American people will have little difficulty connecting international and domestic Islam as a single entity when presented with facts, and regardless of what our elected are trying present.

Archimedes quoted

"Greek Gurl,

I half agree with your assessment. But the half you left out concerns the jihadists not as passive and "used" but rather as active and users. They know lots about us; we (being the general public and our current leaders) know very little about them. They have studied us thoroughly, know our weaknesses, and are playing us for all we're worth. They are not beguiled by politicially correct illusions about us, but they are well aware that most of us are beguiled by such illusions, and they are taking advantage of those illusions in much the same way a sighted person could take advantage of a blind person

yes archimedes sorry i left that part out the jihadist also use the west and russia i mean for example even though they hate the west and russia they know that the west and russia want to weaken each other the jihadist will use that to there advantage i mean i remeber years ago how much the muslims hated russia and where crying to the west about russia violating there human rights in chechnya and kosovo and the usa did help them in kosovo sadly but the muslims repayed usa with 911 now today it seems the muslims love russia now it is helping them with nuclear technology well how are the muslims going to repay russia for its help probably with more beslans and theatre hostages

if the west and russia keep making islam stronger to weaken eachother then in the end islam will be so strong it will be the end of the world

and as for the turks they are more dangerous then osama bin laden and the islamic finatics becuase the turks pretend to be secular so they can join in europe i mean they could have easily have killed the pope when he visited turkey but why didnt they ? becuase they know that if they killed the pope they would not be allowed to join in EU i mean why kill 1 man when you can let that man live and take all over europe

Greek Gurl, you are absolutely correct when you say that Turkey is more dangerous than Osama Bin Laden and other Islamic fanatics.

It wasn't until recently that any time a Greek brought up Turkey, people would automatically discount anything you'd say. I've heard a thousand times over, "you Greeks need to forget about it, the Ottoman Empire was a long time ago." Or you'd here things like "I travelled through Turkey it was great, I don't know why you Greeks always complain about them".

People are slowly realizing what we've known for centuries. We've been on the front lines of Islam since the beginning, and the 1st Crusader Emperor Heraclius was responsible for holding off Islam from Constantinople for almost 1000 years. He is possibly the most ignored person of great historic significance ever in my opinion. The big question is who will be the next Heraclius?

Turkey as Momar Khadafi stated will be the Trojan horse that will ultimately end Europe, let's hope that never happens.

Niv

Greek Gurl and fanatic,

I agree 100% that Turkey, with its bid to join the EU, is more dangerous and would have a larger and longer-term impact on Europe than anything bin Laden et al could muster.