The jihad there may be ending soon. By Mohamed Olad Hassan for Associated Press, with thanks to D. C. Watson:
MOGADISHU, Somalia - Somali and Ethiopian troops drove Islamic fighters out of the last major town before Mogadishu on Wednesday, and the government predicted that the capital and stronghold of the radical Islamists would fall without a fight.Government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari said no assault was planned on Mogadishu because the forces of the Council of Islamic Courts were crumbling so fast.
"Islamic courts militias are already on the run and we hope that Mogadishu will fall to our hands without firing a shot," he said.
The Islamic Courts movement had grown steadily in power for six months, until the dramatic entry into the war by Ethiopian troops last week. Since then, fortunes have changed dramatically with the Islamists in full retreat.
Isn't incoming representative "Keith" Ellison's constituancy mostly made up Somali muslims? What does he say about this situation?
Nothing will be settled. If jihadis face defeat on the battlefield they retreat into civilian areas and plot protracted guerilla warfare, ambush tactics, and use of shahid bombs. Civilians will bear the brunt of the new conflict, probably for decades, or until the "end of days," whichever comes first. This is getting tiresome.
Nothing will be settled. If jihadis face defeat on the battlefield they retreat into civilian areas and plot protracted guerilla warfare, ambush tactics, and use of shahid bombs. Civilians will bear the brunt of the new conflict, probably for decades, or until the "end of days," whichever comes first. This is getting tiresome.
Posted by: Beagle at December 27, 2006 01:31 PM
Agreed, but that being said, there is no valid reason to discontinue the assault on the Islamists.
awake,
Agreed. But let's be clear. They have to be killed. It's not a nice thing to say or advocate, but it's the only way to end the war. No truce or peace agreement will be honored with the kaffir. They are fighting by rules set down in the Seventh Century. So it's "martyrdom" and "paradise" for the lot of them. They should be grateful.
Bloody their noses. At leaset it will keep them out of Ethiopia. In 18 months repeat the process. Ditto in Afghanistan.
Issues seem to get settled when dialog wears itself thin.
Just give us the martyrs count.
Ethiopia can get out and Hollywood can come it and put it all back together again.
"Islamic courts militias are already on the run and we hope that Mogadishu will fall to our hands without firing a shot," he said.
Let's hope that Ethiopia ignores the calls from the shortsighted , irrelevant UN for a ceasefire or for talks. We all know that all the Islamists will only use that opportunity as a chance to rearm and regroup.
" War is Deceipt"
Let Ethiopia finish the Job.
Recently, cockroaches began to sporadically appear in my home, and quickly their numbers grew until it was out of control. It wasn't until I called in a professional exterminator that I was finally able to expell them.
However, my neighbor is still infested by cockroaches and I know it's only a matter of time before the roaches will try again to spread their filth back into my home.
'Ethiopia can get out and Hollywood can come it and put it all back together again.'
Flowerknife, I would not be surprised if Hollywood came out with a 'Syriana'-type movie about it, blaming the Ethiopian's motives on US interests.
btw, the LA Slimes is saying this war could become a 'quagmire' for the Ethiopians. I begin to think 'quagmire' means anything that doesn't further Leftist interests, no matter who is involved.
ref aig's question, i would not be surprised if there a few advisors there already. israel is probably an interested party, and if they chose to send some Falashas to help out, they would probably not be noticed by the media. if captured, they could probably also pass themselves off as Ethiopians. israel can also help with spares and upgrades for Ethiopia's Migs.
The jihad may be ending soon?
Seems quite similar to Baghdad, Kabul, Gana?
Let you in close, then it starts. I hope I'm wrong!
I would say 1st thing to do is round up the islamic clerics and put them " against the wall."
The inciters hv always been those old men that want to keep power and control. As soon as that's done, things will settle down.
"So why aren't we helping the Somali and Ethopian troops that are defeating the Islamists"
Why should we send our kid soldiers there? Haven't we enough Fronts already?
Are we the world's policeman?
Anyway, we've tried it before, and it doesn't work.
Agreed. But let's be clear. They have to be killed.
Posted by: Beagle at December 27, 2006 02:00 PM
Not like Jihadis have any education or a job or career to go to or family to care for. Smily Mo took care to see Jihadis have no education (since he himself was illetrate) no career no future but kill or be killed. How about that for a dead-end job?
"The only way to beat Muslims is to use Muslim methods."
Yes, you only have to execute a couple of massacres to demonstrate that the price of insurgency is too high. Hafez Al-Assad did that in Hama and King Hussein of Jordan used the same method with the 'Palestinians' during Black September in 1970. Saddam Hussein was also very good at using massacres to keep order in the house.
However, the threat does not disappear this way, but is halted only temporarily. As soon as, the ruler becomes complacent and lets his guard slip the Muslims are at it again. Then you just have to repeat step one and conduct another massacre.
Im guessing built-in quagmire protection exists in Somalia, having suffered medieval Islamic barbarism and religious police activities and, having been inspired by their fellow Christians, the population will rise to the occasion, and act in a self-determinate way.
Optimism abounds. Kick azz and let Allah sort 'em out.
Bottom Line: If they don't take it to the Mog and win then there is no true victory.
Celebrate it in the news all you want. That's the facts ma'am.
I just hope our dumb politically correct guvmint can learn something from the Ethiopians. But again, our president calls Islam as a "peaceful religion". So I guess we will slowly slip into oblivion while islam slowly take over our heritage, culture and our country. The process has already begun with dumb Minnesotans electing the Jihadi Keith Ellison.
Ethiopia
Things are falling into place neatly for the endtime invasion of Israel. Check it out.
Based upon Ezek 38:2,3,5,6, other members of the invasion force allied with Russia may be:
MAGOG is modern-day Russia and should also include Kazakhstan (the area north of the Caspian Sea). Some believe it could also include Turkey.
MESHECH can include the southern part of Russia by the Black Sea, as well as Georgia and Armenia. Some believe Turkey could also be included.
TUBAL is a part of Russia between the Black and Caspian seas. It also includes the Ukraine and Kazakhstan and possibly Georgia and Azerbaijan.
PERSIA is modern-day Iran. Some consider that Iraq may be included.
ETHIOPIA (or Cush). Some consider that other surrounding areas, such as the Sudan or Eritrea, could also be included.
AND LIBYA (or Phut).
GOMER may include the Ukraine. Some believe it may also include the area SE of the Black Sea, such as Georgia. Many believe that it will also include Germany (of which the major part was not of the Old Roman Empire) as well as Poland. Some may include Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Slovakia, and Romania.
AND ALL HIS BANDS (or troops) could include some or all of the areas (or nations) listed under Gomer and some others.
So folks, if the Scriptures are the Truth, and I firmly believe they are, I expect Ethopia will lose to Islam.
Phase I
Abandon the battlefield.
Phase II
Start killing women and children in earnest.
Find everyone who spoke for this and all members of the Islamic courts and all preachers and teachers who encouraged the jihad... and give them their marytrdom.
I just hope our dumb politically correct guvmint can learn something from the Ethiopians. But again, our president calls Islam as a "peaceful religion".
I was made aware of one of the advisers that Bush has at his disposal and from that I gather that Bush knows exactly what is going on with Islam. One can only conclude that Bush and our 'guvmint' is only doing what it has always done which is to stop short of a final solution. After all, if the guvmint did what we really need it to do, there would be no bad guys cause they would be dead or scared to death and there would be no ignorant people because they would either be productive, incapable of being productive or they would be in school on the way to becoming productive.
Point is, the guvmint has no vested interest in actually solving problems as this would put them out of business or greatly reduce it's importance in our lives.
Sad...
"Phase I
Abandon the battlefield.
Phase II
Start killing women and children in earnest."
yep...!
pretty sad...so much for the big bad Muslim fighters...
Isn't incoming representative "Keith" Ellison's constituancy mostly made up Somali muslims?
While roughly 100% of the Somalis, Afro-Americans, and illegal aliens (i.e., aboriginals from south of the border) in Ellison's 5th Congressional District bloc-voted for Moslem Keith, I'd estimate that the district's demographic to be at least 85% caucasian, some lower-middle and middle class, and a good number either upper-middle or just plain upper class.
But these people too bloc-voted for Moslem Keith. Go figure. They'll learn.
Funny thing, though. Looking at the map, the Minnesota 5th Congressional District is drawn in such a way that its east-central portion engulfs all three major Somali urban enclaves.
However,the Fifth does not include enclaves in Eden Prarie and Eagan, two wealthy suburbs that were blackmailed into accepting thousands of Somalis in exchange for federal highway dollars.
Voting for Ellison is a way to morally preen, to demonstrate, to oneself and to others, that one is certifiably tolerant, impeccably broad-minded. All the better if done without even making a move to find out what might be in the texts, tenets, attitudes, atmospherics of Islam, to cause disquiet. Such holier-than-thou voters do are not really voting for Ellison. They are voting for themselves. And in voting for themselves, in giving themselves a pat on the back and a vote of moral self-confidence, they do not wish to have their minds violated by facts, by what they might find out if they actually looked into Islam. That would only confuse them. That would only be an obstacle in the project of self-appreciation.
As he enters the voting booth and makes his little marks on the computer-legible piece of paper, this kind of voter hears the distant voice of someone reading from "Leaves of Grass":
"Do I celebrate myself? Very well then, I celebrate myself."
Vote for someone, so that when you cast that vote -- never mind the actual positions or possible dangers of that candidate winning - you can feel good about yourself. Isn't that what life is supposed to be all about? Feeling Good? And isn't Feeling Good About Yourself part of Feeling Good? Of course it is. Vote for Ellison.
Votiing as a branch of Self-Esteem Studies.
So it's "martyrdom" and "paradise" for the lot of them. They should be grateful.
Posted by: Beagle at December 27, 2006 02:00 PM
Not as grateful as I would be at that prospect.
Hugh's and Beagle's comments are right on target here
Voting as a branch of Self-Esteem Studies.
Where absolutely nothing is learned, except the lengths to which one will go to debase oneself.
Feel good = do bad.
Said Hugh:
"Voting for Ellison is a way to morally preen, to demonstrate, to oneself and to others, that one is certifiably tolerant, impeccably broad-minded."
Yes sir! And the lucky voter might even get an invite to an "interfaith awareness" night at the local mosque with Ellison and some other brothers personally welcoming them.
Man, you'll be preening then!
I remain hopeful the Ethiopians will crush them and leave them to their fate, they should not attempt to build a nation out of Somalia. Nation building is expensive, leave it to the UN. Instead protect your common border and remove the Muslims in your own backyard. What of the Somalis? Inshallah dude.
Ronin,
Leave Nation building to the U.N.? You're yanking my chain, right? *grin*
Cheers,
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
I hope we in the west are doing enough to help Ethiopia with all its problems, it's still starving isnt it?
Ok this is far from over but there is a lesson to be learned:
When faced with the threats, intimidation, provocations, and violence of muslim fanatics...
HIT THEM BACK AND HIT THEM HARD! Amazing how they crumble and fall back in the face of it!
Equal or greater counter force is the answer.
SEND THEM TO PARADISE!
Nice thought alexon but dead Muslims don't go to paradise. They like the heat better.
if you guys haven't already noticed; this is just like iraq.
the mujahjedin melt away to fight another day. in a guerrilla setting, they can always claim to be the victim, and turn the spin to be called "freedom fighters."
then the IEDs start showing up. they did the same thing in kosovo.
I remember what Han Solo said in "Star Wars - A New Hope" about sneaking around. I hate it to. If we are helping Ethiopia, I would really like to know. If we ain't' I would like to know that also.
The CIA's World Factbook says that Ehtiopia has a population that is between 45 and 50 percent Mulsim. That is a precarious raio; it amounts to a fifth column. They need our support.
Although I know Islamists don't give up until they're dead this situation with Ethiopia is absolutely hilarious, after months of posturing Ethiopia looks like it's going to beat Israel’s 6 days record.
My grandmother once had a Chihuahua, he was brave but overconfident. On day he decided to pick a fight with a German Shepard, you can guess what happened next. This whole war reminds me of that incident.
Sorry should've typed "after months of Islamic posturing"
Can't really say until the Islamists are driven out of Mogadishu. On the Security Council, the Ethiopians appear to have the support of China, Russia, the United States, France and Great Britain plus 2 African members, Ghana and Tanzania.
Wars are always chancy. The main risk is that the Islamists will infiltrate Ethiopia. The major thing that Ethiopia has going for it is that it doesn't really care about having the moral high ground. They are not going to be bothered with the incidental deaths of civillians as Israel was in the last conflict with Lebanon and the U.S. still is in Iraq.
I would like to wish the Ethiopians good luck during these times. They are going to be a target of all of the evil that the Islamists can bring. I hope and pray that they are up to this challenge.
Regarding Americaningermany's comment.
I think this war is going to require total ruthlessness. We can't even stomach something like Abu Gharib or even someone desecrating a Koran. No, I don't condone at Abu Gharib but its no worse than stuff that fraternity pledges are routinely put through.
Maybe its better to leave this to the Ethiopians who probably have the required ruthlessness to do this kind of work. They had better or they won't last. Anyway, we don't have what it takes over here.
Let's see if the Ethiopians can set back the worldwide Jihad.
Off topic:
Muslim World League Wants Lawsuits for Abuse of Islam and the Prophet
Ummah News Links
"if you guys haven't already noticed; this is just like iraq.
the mujahjedin melt away to fight another day. in a guerrilla setting, they can always claim to be the victim, and turn the spin to be called "freedom fighters."
then the IEDs start showing up. they did the same thing in kosovo."....from post above
Several differences. First, unlike kosovo, I doubt even the arabists in the US State Dept will be able to talk anyone into bombing the Ethiopians. Secondly, as others here have surmised, it is doubtful that the Ethiopians will constrain themselves with absurd rules of engagement. For example, I would guess that mosques and imams will be fair game, and there will be no perceived imperative to win 'hearts and minds.' Just speculation, mind you.
Jedda, December 28, 2006 — A two-day conference organized by the Mecca-based Moslem World League yesterday called for a consultative commission in order to take legal action against those who abuse Islam and its Prophet Mohammed... and Islamic sanctities, at local and international courts of justice.
Three questions:
1) Isn't our moral duty to mock Islams and Moslems wherever possible?
2) Just what in the hell did Mohammed ever prophesy, anyway?
3) What is a Moslem sanctity?
"Jedda, December 28, 2006 — A two-day conference organized by the Mecca-based Moslem World League yesterday called for a consultative commission in order to take legal action against those who abuse Islam and its Prophet Mohammed... and Islamic sanctities, at local and international courts of justice."
Will they also be looking into the beheadings of Christian schoolgirls, the massacre of Russian schoolchildren, and all of the other cowardly crimes committed on a daily basis by muslim fanatics around the world in the name of Oolah and Moham-Mad? Talk about ABUSE!
Anti-israeli antisemitism and anti-Christian sentiments are acceptable under common notions of political correctness. But now, political correctness finds itself in an interesting situation: If you oppose Ethiopia, you are a racist (anti-black). If you support Ethiopia, you are an islamophobe. The only PC reaction is to sigh, righteously shake your head with closed eyes and say "the shame of it all."
Political correctness no longer means anything to me, kinda like the UN it has outlived it's usefulness and is no longer Parctical. i will call a spade a Spade and defend MY rights and anyone who tramples on them MUSLIM or not will hear about it. that is what we all should be doing. we know right from wrong and in my guts this ALL feels very wrong! I will NOT go quietly into that good night!
Thank you
edit:
Political correctness no longer means anything to me, kinda like the UN it has outlived it's usefulness and is no longer PRACTICAL.
From ummahnewslinks,
They are really worried that the truth about islam is getting out.
Al-Turki called upon Western countries to protect human rights of Muslim communities and take action against those who create unnecessary fear about Islam by linking it with terrorism and violence.
“The creation of such fears will lead to violating human rights of Muslims and threats to their freedom and security,” he said. “It will also have other long-term negative impacts.”
Jamal Badawi, a Canadian-Muslim expert on Islam, spoke about the Prophet’s outstanding influence on human history.
“There is no other personality who has made such a positive impact on history,” he told the conference.
Positive impact? These guys are brain dead.
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k225/ECMarm/brain2.gif
(from ecmarm at LGF)
jihadlove said
The jihadists' only strength is their ability to bluster and threaten. When war comes, the results (in Israel, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and now in Somalia) are quick and decisive. Call their bluff, and they fold and run like the cowards they are.
The same result happened in the court of law, with CAIR's lawsuits. When threats failed and they actually had to go to trial, they lost. Every time.
We (infidels across the world) can no longer give in to their threats. We must make the jihadists fight for each step they take, either in the battlefield or the courtroom or the classroom or the editorial page. We must all become honorary Missourians, our motto must be "Show Me". You're going to crush Ethiopia? Prove it. You're going to sue me for claiming a link between CAIR and convicted terrorists? Prove it. Islam is a peaceful religion that is being attacked by a Jewish/Christian/Hindu/Buddhist conspiracy? Prove it. We've been putting up with their lies and bullsh*t and threats and violence for over a century (google "Shores of Tripoli") and we're getting closer to go-time.
awake,
Agreed. But let's be clear. They have to be killed. It's not a nice thing to say or advocate, but it's the only way to end the war. No truce or peace agreement will be honored with the kaffir. They are fighting by rules set down in the Seventh Century. So it's "martyrdom" and "paradise" for the lot of them. They should be grateful.
Posted by: Beagle
It is very hard to go on killing people who say that they are surrendering. It is very hard to think of homo sapiens as virus, and to wipe them out ruthlessly. Our humanity is our undoing.