"We are in a position to help by all means for the stability of Iraq." Oh, I'm sure you are. "Iran offers to help US withdraw from Iraq," from AP, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
...Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said US troops were responsible for at least half the violence tearing apart Iraq and that their departure would pay security dividends for the entire region."If the United States changes its attitude the Islamic Republic of Iran is ready to help with the withdrawal from Iraq," Mottaki told the International Institute of Strategic Studies conference here. "Fifty percent of the problem of insecurity in Iraq is the presence of foreign troops. If the United States decides to solve this, everyone will take part to help this important decision. This is the only way the political situation can improve."....
"When they have decided to withdraw from Iraq, then we will explain," Mottaki told reporters after his speech. "We are in a position to help by all means for the stability of Iraq."
The Psychotic-In-Iran is clever in the manner of Hitler, both were/are rat-like in their deceptiveness. Hitler and Himmler (the head of the SS) thought Islam was compatible with Nazi ideology and both hated Christianity as "the Jewish Christ creed with its pity ethics". Rats of a similar mangy fur flock together.
Note to Armstrong-Espositio and other peddlers of "mosaics": Christ condemned deceptiveness-hypocrisy as being from "the evil one". Mohammad recommended deception and harming and treating Unbelievers as inferior and recommended exploitation or murder of Unbelievers. Mohammed, Hitler, and the Psychotic-In-Iran are on the same pages. It's not a mosaic in the matter of the message of Christ and the message of Mohammed. Stop the bs.
I am a skeptic re all religion. However, "a cat's a cat and that's that". It is what it is.
"The US forces will remain in power in Iraq for at least another 20 years - perhaps 50, perhaps as long as US forces remained in Europe and Japan after the end of WW II".
August22-
You may be right. That would be good for them, but not really good for the US. The American presence in Europe did much to end the nation state rivalries and wars in Europe. We fostered an economic unity there and even a military unity (NATO). However, that does not mean the same thing will happen in the Mideast.
The problem-difference is Islam. I think I agree with Fitzgerald on this matter. Trying to remodel the Mideast will fail and we will be blamed and hated by the belief-system wackos. Let them do what they will do, but not to us.
Let's "withdraw" all right - to the east. Now that's an invasion I could get behind.
There will be no peace in Iraq (and alot of other places) until there is regime change in Teheran and Riyadh.
The US forces will remain in power in Iraq for at least another 20 years - perhaps 50...
This Jihad War will go one of three ways:
1) Things go well and Dar al Islam is completely disarmed and fully occupied for centuries, until Islam disappears, or
2) America remains for decades, until the conflict is rendered irrelevant by the Islamization of America. Then the American divisions would stay on as a very large Dhimmi police enforcement corps to keep an eye on troublemaking Moslems on behalf of the troublemaking Moslems running Congress, or
3) With Nancy, Hillary, and Obama in charge, we pull out, Iraq implodes, Europe explodes, there is a decade long global oil crisis, and in the subsequent years the focus turns to intense Jihad terror war activity and mass conversions in Latin America and Africa, thereby isolating China and Japan. Thermonuclear activity will be sporadic but significant (as it always is).
I'd prefer scenario 1, but predict it'll be 3.
yesterday was John Lennon's anniversary of being shot/killed. l often wonder what would a john lennon be saying right now. he was for human rights, ie women's rights. would he be a true liberal and stand up for humaan rights against the islamists? they played his songs all last night, and l wondered how good would it be if they could play in iran "Power to the People", and throw out those immans. or another famous song "Imagine",, and you could put in these words "A world without Islam".. l think a John Lennon today would be like a Robert Spencer for wanting human rights, equal rights for women and non muslims in muslim lands, and would be pointing out these out to the media.
I think it best to listen to the Iranians - they are the ONLY ones who seem to know exactly what they are doing in Iraq.
A kind of 'In Cold Blood' feeling - as though the West were the Clutter family being bound and taped up "We won't hurt you....just do what we say and everything will go smoothly..."
APF-
I think what we are very likely to have in the future is a US and other nations policy of containment of this cauldron of violence and the gradual impoverishment of the region as the rest of the world goes to alternative energies and the development of oil resources elsewhere (Russia, e.g.). The whole world will be appalled by the violence in the region and eventually the wackos will attack Israel, seek to do in Israel what they are doing in Darfur, and Israel will kick their collective asses.
Wow, we owe James Baker et al a great debt of gratitude for showing us the way. I mean, who would have thought we could ask the Hitler of our time for help i evercoming his efforts to destabilize the country and he would so magnanimously agree? Why, I bet Syria would even be willing to help with the problems in Lebanon as well and then we can all join hands and sing Kumbayah.
Thank you Iraq Study Group for showing us the way!
(sarcasm off)
"What a joke".
americaningermany-
It is a farce. I feel sorry for the president who did not know what a rats nest he was getting into. He should have had Fitzgerald advising him.-LOL
OT
Can anyone read what the Arabic plaques say inside the Hagia Sophia?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usp6GLrzdws&mode=related&search=
Carolyn2-
They probably say, "we settle theological disputes the old fashioned way"-or something very similar to that.
Thank you Iraq Study Group for showing us the way!
I keep waiting for the commander in chief of the world's most powerful military to take out Iran's nukies. Although he doesn't have to, we'll see if he caves in and follows the Iraq Study Group's advice. I'm betting he does.
Hi Frank,
Yeah probably. I figure it is the shahada (sp?) but you never know what they might put in the church. It just makes me sick that it is in their hands.
"If the United States changes its attitude the Islamic Republic of Iran is ready to helpyes they are ready to helpthemselves to Iraq and double their oil reserves and the Iraqi army is in no shape to resist invasion by Iran so they are ready to help help themselves that is, after all Iran seems to see itself as the growing superpower in the Middle East despite having a bunch of nut cases in charge.
Sasha I don't think Pres. Bush will do that- there may be some sound advice in the report (although it is highly unlikely) but he will not go for the 99.9% of the assininity presented by the report- people always call him dumb- but the man is anythign but http://sacredscoop.com
If the US leaves, Iran will move in. That is the chess move they are hoping to make. Saudi Arabia will have none of it, so the US will have none of it. The US forces will remain in power in Iraq for at least another 20 years - perhaps 50, perhaps as long as US forces remained in Europe and Japan after the end of WW II.
They are still there today.
Posted by: August22
We HAVE to get Bush, Baker and the whole SOWdi-controlled claque OUT of the White House and bring in some folks who are HONEST and Incorruptible. Tom Tancredo is looking better by the day.
As long as the SOWdi swine are paying Bush & co. to do their eveil bidding we will have Americans dying for their cause against the other Ay-rabs.
Why should we give a Shyte about these *ssholes!!
Let them kill one another and let alla [a big fat pile of elephant dung be upon him] sort them out.
I am TIRED of our people getting KILLED in the armpit of humanity for the simple reason that our "leaders" at home are bought and paid for.
Can you imagine if James Baker was working on Adolf Hitler's behalf..? What if his nice little lawfirm were defendign the GErman governement against Holocaust survivor claims? And THEN they brought him in on foreign policy issues concerning Europe and/or Germany??!!
THIS is how absolutely ABSURD this is!!!!!!!!!
JAMES BAKER OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HANG BAKER THE TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do believe that we will have to be there for the next 20yrs or so. Pullng out would probably let the Mid-East implode. I'm sure that the Saudis and the Iranians would go at it. We would be the loosers. How? There wouldn't be any oil shipments out of the mideast. I don't care which one of the sides would ship oil to us, the other would disrupt the oil. Stationing of troops in the Mid-east would give us long enough to move the economy to a self-contained energy development situation.
There will always be disruption in the Mideast as long as there are the two main tribes of Islam. If we move out it's true that they would fight each other however it would tie up the Mid-East as an Islamic world. This would have disasterous effects on the rest of the world.
I look forward to the day that Iran goes to the UN to complain about Crusaders in the holy land. OOPs I forgot he already has.
another cause and effect for a pull out that would create more turmoil in the middle east will cause mass muslim immigration into western lands.
Baker has told Iran,"..what you are doing in Iraq
is working..now intensify those efforts to attain your objectives.."
Great job, James, you bear responsibility for
elevating the numbers of U.S. military who will
be killed in the days ahead...dumbf***..
the Iranian character said that 50% of the cause of violence in Iraq was the presence of foreign troops, that is, Americans and their Coalition allies. But jim baker said that all [= 100%] of the conflict in the Middle East was because of Israel. Can't we get together on our arithmetic, boys?
The Arabs never help the Palestinians. Why should they care for someone they can use as an Axe to grind against Israel. While making the West feel this false sense of guilt. Easier to throw money and food away deflect the reality of Multiculturalism. The Arabs just don't seem to be buying the bill of goods being sold. No matter how cheap the product or volume of Marketing.
Why help a People who will only be vaporized by Mushrooms over Israel. I don't seem to recall any concern for the "Palestinians" any time the Arabs went to war with Israel.
Socialists never cared for Democracy either. Unless it is the vehicle to gaining power. After that, they have no use for it. That is why they bash the Presidents policy. Not because of some inherent understanding of Islam on their part. Rather simply, it is just another means to an end for their own agenda.
Spreading Democracy as we understand it has been a staple of American thought and policy from the beginning. You can't even consider yourself American if you don't.
I would hope that any President we elect would have a strong desire to spread Democracy. Even if the cause seemed hopeless from the start. The attempt would still need to be made.
We had 12 years worth of reasons to remove Saddam. The American people by and large supported the President in the endeavor. Trying to Install any form of government in Iraq other than Democracy would have reaped Mountains of abuse on the President. For being un-American. So now we here the Abuse because the Presidents policy didn't pan out. So the Socialists and Progressives abuse the President for attempting something they didn't want to happen in the first place. It is much better Politically to denounce the Bush policy and "Bushes War" than openly admit to the desire of the Muslims to do us harm.
It is generally much easier to take the exact opposite view on an issue and beat it to death than to make a firm decision ones self.
The Socialists and Progressives have even managed to make the population in general feel guilty for even attempting the most basic American principle. For all the wrong reasons do we hear the socialists cry and demean.
People in High places need to do a better job of pointing out the fact that it isn't a failure of the Presidents policy that is the issue. Rather the rejection of Democracy on the part of the Arabs.
A simple statement that Killing people in Gods name and with his "blessings". Is a principle in direct opposition to our Constitutional Government. And that We, as a Nation, will combat that principle where ever it threatens us.
I think their is enough Jihadist material around that would help get the threat, as well as the point across.
It is rather hard to keep the American citizen focused when for the last 30 years the problem has been intentionally swept under the rug. While the news bends over backward to tell us what is, isn't.
The Socialists and Progressives appear to follow that age old axiom that "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" It is just puzzling where they think some special protection under the Koran exists for them?
Just because the Saudis will have none of it doesn't mean that the US will have none of it. Let the Saudis take whatever action they deem necessary. Let them pay Egypt and other Sunni countries to send them mercenaries that would pour into Iraq. Let them pay Ikhwan in both Egypt and Syria to infiltrate Iraq, and start fighting on the side of the Sunnis. I'm sure the Assad regime will be only too happy with so many Ikhwan leaving Syria. Let Iran send its forces in, and while at it, have Hizbullah send in their volunteers to join forces with Moqtada al Sadr. Let Iraq become one big battlefield. That way, Saudi and other Gulf money don't get spent in bilad ul Kafir building sprawling mosques, but are instead spent on useful projects, like this one.
Jihad ul sabiillah. Let's see which version prevails.
Oh God, I almost hurt myself laughing when reading this one. I can just see all the "help" Iran is ready to provide-helping itself to some territory, helping kill its enemies, helping its Iraqi puppets right into power. By all means Bush should accept this magnanimous offer-it isn't often that Iran extends itself like this.
When will Israel finally deal with these helpful ones?
Baker...a globalist with an agenda. Why anyone would give him 'this' kind of credibility is beyond me...
Sorry to be such a Blog-hog this weekend...
If I am too much I may have to start my own. But I just found this on Debka:
haled Meshaal escalates threats, declares his Palestinian group has embraced strategic option of armed conflict against Israel
December 9, 2006, 10:42 PM (GMT+02:00)
Speaking from his Damascus base, Meshaal says the US and Israel must undertake a withdrawal to 1967 boundaries, and accept a Palestinian state with Jerusalem its capital and return of Palestinian refugees. In Tehran, Palestinian PM Ismail Haniya said Friday: Hamas will never recognize Israel or give up jihad. Iran is the Palestinians’ strategic support. The Islamic Republic’s had transferred $120 m to break the Western and Israeli boycott of his government, he reported.
So can we DEDUCT those $120 m from the $450 m the UN is trying to hold us up for? Are these $120 m real or counterfeit?