Muslim World League wants lawsuits for "abuse of Islam and the Prophet"

Oh, the irony.

There should be a counter claim for terrorism, Paedophilia, Slavery, Genocide, Non Muslim taxes, Holocaust denial, and general lack of feeling secure.

Izlamentia:

“There is no other personality who has made such a positive impact on history,” he told the conference.

Reality:

"There is no other personality who has had such a negative impact on history."

FIXED!

USURPATION OF JESUS, AGAIN!

“There is no other personality who has made such a positive impact on history,” he told the conference.

Notice, it's not enough to say that the fiend mohammad was a "prophet" or a "leader" no, no, the evil fiend mohammad must USURP THE PLACE OF JESUS!

A two-day conference organized by the Makkah-based Muslim World League yesterday called for a consultative commission in order to take legal action against those who abuse Islam and its Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islamic sanctities.

What took them so long to do this? Shouldn't this have been obvious to them from the outset?

This is their window for top-down implementation of Sharia, the back door man's back door. The West's capacity for self-mutilation is of course its legal systems.

Yes, of course this will help destroy civilization, but I for one am willing to pay that price just to find what an Islamic sanctity is.

I just want one thing in return: When they set this Star Chamber Consultative Commission up for business, presumably in the Hague, or maybe in Geneva, let's be sure to get a person from Yale Law, Harvard Law, or Stanford Law to serve as its Chief InJustice [no sic].

Well, another example of recreating Muslims in the image of 1960's blacks in Mississippi. The fruit of an American university education is self evident.
The attatchment to victimhood...the racist and Islamophobe chants growing stronger, the use of censorshhip, called political correctness, to thwart even converstion about this subject.
Add use of the courts, sloppy thinking by voters and submission of the authorities. Factor in PC newsrooms across the nation the New Left's cooperation and partnership with these terrorists.

Someone has been working overtime.

Its time to step up and expose this clever manipulation to our fellow countrymen.

Thank you Jihad Watch.

HAHAHA,

They are scared of the scrutiny thier war-creed is getting all over the world. The truth is out!

Fighting back in Malaysia:

Muslim defamation claim

Ummah News Links

I suppose these clowns will sue if I call him Mo or Muhammad instead of the prophet Muhammad

muftis, mullahs, imams and ayatollahs

They are the first and the worst. They need to be knocked into the dirt.

They are scared of the scrutiny thier war-creed is getting all over the world. The truth is out!

Posted by: squire

You are absolutely wrong there, squire! They are merely afraid that people will tire of running amock in the streets, burning effiges and threatening suicide bombs if anyone so much as says "boo" to them! That would be truly tragic for the mullah!

So, after reading this I don't know whether to cry or laugh hysterically. It's like the Twilight Zone over there - only more frightening.

"The anti-Islam campaign also intends to trigger a cultural conflict between the Islamic world and the West and create a situation of clash and conflict in place of dialogue and peaceful coexistence,..."

If there were ever an ideology that is so alien so at odds with the West, Islam would get my vote. I don't care if they practice their beliefs and traditions in their own lands. But to immigrate into the West and then expect to have those beliefs and traditions not only accommodated but forced on Westerners is beyond the pale.

I'm sure Tony Blair would beg to differ on that.

"A two-day conference organized by the Makkah-based Muslim World League yesterday called for a consultative commission in order to take legal action against those who abuse Islam and its Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islamic sanctities, at local and international courts of justice, the Saudi Press Agency said."

Abuse Islam? geez...i mean when i was a muslim convert some of these muslims actually believe in an apocolyptic world war...iwas even told that at a time in future Afghanistan would have an army an dwould descend on, i think it was medina or makka todefend these places against the anti-christ...and at that point all muslim males MUST join that army to fight...

they are using all these avenues to bring about this apocolyptic world end...it is madness..

"all Muslims must observe his teachings in all walks of their life.”
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......Muslims are doing this everyday, just look at the blown up cars and body parts lying about.

“The whole Muslim Ummah, including its leadership, scholars and ordinary people was outraged by such attacks and this again shows the lofty position the Prophet has in their hearts,” he said in reference to the Muslim response to cartoons depicting the Prophet.

More accurately, it shows the "Muslim Ummah" is a bunch of cretins, from top to bottom. The notion that any member of the "Ummah" knows anything about being "lofty" is contradicted by the very way in which the "Ummah" lives, and has lived, since the time of Muhammed.

Note to Ummah: Your prophet, were he a Westerner born today, would be put in jail alongside other scum a la Charles Manson. I put just as much stock in Muhammed as a prophet as I do in Charles Manson as a prophet, i.e. none.

post script...

I mean you are not even allowed to interpret the koran for yourself and are simply supposed to do what these imams tell you to do since they supposedly know best...my observation is that therefore you dont know if what you are being told to do or believe is really islam at all...just believe and leave the thinking to us seems to be the orthodox Muslim position...fools they are...piss me off..!!!

In the US, a suit like that would be tossed after the first hearing. In the World Court who knows what will happen.

JEDDAH, 28 December 2006 — A two-day conference organized by the Makkah-based Muslim World League yesterday called for a consultative commission in order to take legal action against those who abuse Islam and its Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islamic sanctities, at local and international courts of justice, the Saudi Press Agency said.

Since Muslims deny the divinity of Jesus, his death and resurrection, doesn't this constitute abuse of Christ and Christianity?
Let's face it, the purpose of the consultative commission would be to force the rest of the world to acknowledge that the fraud Mahammad was a Prophet of God, and deserving of special protection against infidel Christians and Jews.
Any suggestion that Muslims might be subject to legal actions because of their attitudes and teachings about other religions would be anathema to the Muslim World league. After all, how can Islam be guilty of anything but teaching the unvarnished truth?

“The anti-Islam campaign also intends to trigger a cultural conflict between the Islamic world and the West and create a situation of clash and conflict in place of dialogue and peaceful coexistence,” the MWL chief said....

G A R B A G E!, the on "anti-islam" is the one they are waging on rest of the world. Darfur, Somalia, Indonesia and Lebanon are just example's of members of the farce and do acts of violence in Allah's name.

The MWL just wants to muzzle Free Speech and Free exercise of Thought. This is nothing more that more threats again the rest of the world.

Then there is this web-site:
http://www.proislam.com/targeted_individuals.htm

Enough already! Wake up America before it's to late... I am all for making the WEST a 100% "Islam-Free" zone.

KnightHawk

"The MWL just wants to muzzle Free Speech and Free exercise of Thought. This is nothing more that more threats again the rest of the world."

Indeed and it began with their followers...they are insane.!!!!

A littl off topic....but the delusions craddled by the Islamists reminds me of this woman...

I think Cindy Sheehan is doing the same drugs as Ahmedinijad or she's living in a perpetual acid flashback. Here's an exerpt where she blames President Ford for the Iraq War.

"Usually, burying a 93 year old loved one is sorrowful but, I believe his pardon of Richard Nixon is one of the factors that have led to the untimely deaths of over 3000 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the Middle East. Just this month alone, 91 of our young people have met early, avoidable, unnecessary and tragic deaths in Bloody George's horrific war."

....okay! Now I've heard everything.

Citycat,

Don't you just love the way she just blithely states the connection without even trying to construct a persuasive argument? Only a "true believer" would buy into a premise so flimsily stated.

I suppose these clowns will sue if I call him Mo or Muhammad instead of the prophet Muhammad

Posted by: dennisw

Oh, it gets even better: they'll sue you for not writing 'prophet' with the mandatory capital letter!

..
Anyway, it's a lost cause that they are fighting, since information about the very beginnings of islam are coming out.

And with that, I don't mean the muslim account of it all, of which the oldest written accounts were written about 200 years after Mo's death, but contemporary accounts, from non-muslim chroniclers and other sources.

You see, as it turns out, the early cult of Mohammed was nothing like islam - it wasn't even called islam, nor were its follewers known as muslims.

And that is just one of the lesser differences...

But the details of that are explained in an excellent book called 'Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World' (1977), written Michael Cook and Patricia Crone.

And here's a link to an article about this book, amongst a few other things: http://www.sullivan-county.com/x/koran_prob.htm

Another link to this article is: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28952

"I mean you are not even allowed to interpret the koran for yourself and are simply supposed to do what these imams tell you to do since they supposedly know best...my observation is that therefore you dont know if what you are being told to do or believe is really islam at all...just believe and leave the thinking to us seems to be the orthodox Muslim position...fools they are...piss me off..!!!
Posted by: jihadlove [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 28, 2006 04:45 PM"

Welcome to reality Jihadlove. I guess you left the evil worshippers. Take care if you still have Muslims in your vicinity. They are seriously dangerous people if you leave their cult. Perhaps talk to Ali Sinha, I think that is his correct name, he might give you some pointers about how to avoid any pitfalls.

The following excerpt from Pope Benedict XVI's Christmas 2005 midnight Mass homily constitutes a brilliant, simple and direct challenge to the theological underpinnings of Islam!

The Child lying in the manger is truly God’s Son. God is not eternal solitude but rather a circle of love and mutual self-giving. He is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
.........
God is so great that he can become small. God is so powerful that he can make himself vulnerable and come to us as a defenceless child, so that we can love him. God is so good that he can give up his divine splendour and come down to a stable, so that we might find him, so that his goodness might touch us, give itself to us and continue to work through us. This is Christmas: "You are my son, this day I have begotten you". God has become one of us, so that we can be with him and become like him. As a sign, he chose the Child lying in the manger: this is how God is. This is how we come to know him.

How DARE Muslims, starting with Muhammad, assert that the almighty and omnipotent God (Allahu akbar!) does not have the power and the prerogative to incarnate Himself as a child in Mary's womb and then redeem sinful mankind by dying on the cross at Cavalry -- all out of the unbounded Love which He has revealed to us as the essence of His nature! In so doing, they commit blasphemy by binding God into a cramped little box bounded by the corrupt and bankrupt moral and cultural mores which they have inherited from 7th Century Arabia and preserved to this day.

If an angel did actually appear to Muhammad and "dictate" the Koran to him, it must have been Lucifer impersonating Gabriel out of Satanic revenge, jealousy and rage because he believed that HE -- LUCIFER -- should have occupied the place of power, honor and glory as the son of God, sitting at the right hand of God the Father.

SO SUE ME!!

Very often when I read these (BS)proclaimations I think that they are often aimed for the millions of Muslims to keep them in line also. These (BS) proclaimations also scare the rest of the world.

BTW, has the MSM picked this up and run with it?

@MusHuntCowboy

Thanks for the pointers...fortunalty for me, i started cathcing on to the muslim B.S. pretty soon after my conversion...but i must say, their form of brainwashing is pretty powerful. I could feel the pull from it at times and it is as though your mind is no longer your own...but after the first few pleasantries with these people they started to leave me alone after i started to tell them that i did not beleive what they were saying. i was kicked off from a muslim message board for asking the wrong questions like "why cant women do the call to prayer?" or "I think men and women should be allowed to pray together." the hatred that flowed from these intolerants was think...yeah...it is a major mind f***...

So now we have the death cult wanting to persecute anyone who doesn't believe in it.

For the record, here is what Islam IS NOT:

IT IS NOT A RELIGION - It's a war manifesto against the whole of mankind. It's so-called 'prophet' was a genocidal maniac, pirate, pedophile, paranoid schizophrenic, racist and serial rapist.
IT IS NOT A CULTURE - It is the opposite of culture because it prevents the growth of real culture.

Islam should be banished to the stone-age because that is where it belongs, it certainly doesn't have a place in the 21st Century or any civilized nation.

JEDDAH, 28 December 2006 — A two-day conference organized by the Makkah-based Muslim World League yesterday called for a consultative commission in order to take legal action against those who abuse Islam and its Prophet Muhammad (piss be upon him) and Islamic sanctities, at local and international courts of justice, the Saudi Press Agency said.

>>>Once again the ummah proves that allah is so weak he needs mortal men to defend him!
Why, i wonmder doesnt this all wise ,all knowledgable, all powerful allah strike me dead when i say "piss be on muhammad", or allah is satan and chose a pedophile child rapist to be his representative? allahu suckakbar

Islam, like all political, economic & social ideologies, is an IDEA. Ideas are not persons. Ideas have NO HUMAN RIGHTS. There can never be any crime committed against any idea. Our ancestors figured this out thousands of years ago. The tribes of Arabia obviously have yet to get the memo.

Just looked at KnightHawk's link:

http://www.proislam.com/targeted_individuals.htm

Whoever runs that site must not read Jihad Watch. R.S. is not on their list of "the most vocal anti-Muslim bigots on the face of the Earth."

And of course, he adds:

"May the curse of Allaah be upon the liars" [3:61]

Here are the "liars:"

Steve Emerson
Pat Robertson
Jerry Falwell
Daniel Pipes
Ann Coulter
John Ashcroft
Jerry Vines
Michael Savage
Bill O'Reilly
Sean Hannity
Franklin Graham
Parvin Darabi

He also has a Letter-Writing Campaign and a Muslim Boycot list of retailors who do business with Israel.

Geesh, what a loser. But it does show how determined they are to exert their influence here in the U.S.

Oops -- In my recent post, I meant Calvary, not Cavalry.

Calvary was Jesus' means of redemption, while Cavalry was Muhammad's weapon of choice.

Sorry about that -- senior moment . . . .

Piss on islam and their so called prophet mohammed... so sue me!

Remember folks it is because of allah you are not muslim!
allah states in the qu'ran it is allah who makes men muslim,if you are not muslim it is the will of allah, he has given you up to be lost and to be hated and tortured by him(allah) in hell!
read these ayah and tafsir carefully, allah murdered an innocent young child whose only crime was allahs "fear" that child wouild grow up to be a nonmuslim! ofcourse this is nothing but fantacy but muslims accept this garbage as fact!
SURAH 18-74,So they journeyed on until they met a boy, and Khizr slew him. Moses said: "You have killed an innocent person though he had killed nobody. Surely you have done a horrible deed!
SURAH 18-80-81,As for the youth, his parents are true believers, and we feared lest he would grieve them with his rebellion and unbelief.[80] It was our wish that our Lord should grant them another in his place, a son more righteous and better in affection.[81]All this was done as a mercy from your Lord.
What I did was not done by my own will.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn: SURAH 18}-74
So they set off, after leaving the ship, making their way on foot, until, when they met a boy, who had not yet reached puberty, playing with [other] boys, among whom his face was the fairest - and he, al-Khidr, slew him, by slitting his throat with a knife while he lay down, or by tearing his head off with his hand, or by smashing his head against a wall, all of which are [different] opinions (the coordinating fā' [of fa-qatalahu, 'and he slew him'] is used here because [it indicates that] the slaying took place after the encounter; the response to idhā, 'when' is [the following statement, qāla …]) - he, Moses, said, to him: 'Have you slain an innocent soul, that is, a pure one that had not reached the age of [legal] responsibility (a variant reading [for zākiya] has zakiyya), [one slain] not in retaliation for another soul?, in other words, one that has not slain any soul. Verily you have committed an dreadful thing' (read nukran or nukuran), that is to say, an abomination.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn:SURAH 18}-80
And as for the boy, his parents were believers and We feared lest he should overwhelm them with insolence and disbelief - for he is as [described] by the hadīth of Muslim, 'He was [incorrigibly] disposed to disbelief, and had he lived [longer] this [disposition of his] would have oppressed them, because of their love for him, they would have followed him in such [a path of disbelief]'.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn :SURAH 18}-81
So We desired that their Lord should give them in exchange (read yubaddilahumā or yubdilahumā) one better than him in purity, that is, in righteousness and ALLAH-fearing, and closer, than him, to mercy (read ruhman or ruhuman, in other words [it is to be understood as] rahmatan, 'by way of mercy') namely, [closer to] dutifulness towards his parents. Thus ALLAH, exalted be He, gave them in exchange a girl, who [afterwards] married a prophet and gave birth to a prophet through whom ALLAH guided an entire community.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn :SURAH 18}-82
And I did not do it, namely, what has been mentioned of [his] slaying of the boy , of my own accord, that is, [out of] my own choosing; nay, it was because of a command in the form of an inspiration from ALLAH.

It's called a cover up, the more people expose it the more they make rules to hide it's truth.
People think about the USA the Illuminati and the New World Order Conspiracies. What about this? It's far more up front and real, the cover up comes from being persecuted within lands that are not Muslim if one speaks against that relgious system. You think the Russians and the Americans do all they can to stop information going out by killing people, this is twice as bad they admit it, they want to destroy people who upsets the relgious founder. If MO was alive today he would behave exactly as his followers do now, only difference is there are over a billion clones to contend with all programmed in his image. the only thing the West can do is fight religion with religion so that at least everything is on their levels and if you believe in God he may help.

"If MO was alive today he would behave exactly as his followers do now, only difference is there are over a billion clones to contend with all programmed in his image."

indeed one thing the radical american converts do is grow beards, wear a robe and turban...clones all they way...just look at that freak Khalid Yayin or whatever the f*** his name is.!!!

Muslim World League wants lawsuits for "abuse of Islam and the Prophet"

This could turn and bite the muslims on their ass!
To take one to court for insulting islam and the prophet they would have to prove what was stated about/against muhammad or islam was an insult or was a slander!
I can see people opening up the qu'ran and hadiths and the sira of muhammad and the history of islam and muhammad in a court of law and showing that it is impossible to insult muhammad or allah!
Actually calling muhammad(piss be upon him) a prophet of god and allah a god is an insult!

“There is no other personality who has made such a positive impact on history,” he told the conference."

With the exception of.....pretty much the rest of humanity.

Them Mooselimbs are getting paranoid, I reckon.

This is what should be known as the "Muslim complex". The Muslim complex can be defined as follows:

The desilusional belief that all the world ows it's good things to your child molesting prophet, while at the same time you believe that everyone is out there to get you (maybe).

Victimhood and superiority complex in the same tent!

what islamofascist hate the most is open debate. They despise all things they don't agree with.

The prophet mohammed was only a man. Nothing more , nothing less. He is open for criticism because he did have weaknesses and was self deluded.

I believe the koran and much as i believe that the world is flat.

The most interesting thing to me is the use of the word 'Canadian-Muslim' in the article. The ‘last name’ is Muslim, in contrast with German-American, or Mexican-American, or African-American. This is in sync with the opinion polls showing that many Muslims in the West consider their primary affiliation to be to their religion, and their second to their Citizenship.

"MWL Secretary-General Abdullah Al-Turki said the attack on the Prophet was an expression of enmity toward Islam.

“The whole Muslim Ummah, including its leadership, scholars and ordinary people was outraged by such attacks..."

Outraged over "attacks" on Mohammed including cartoon depictions? Absolutely.

Outraged over near constant terrorist attacks in the name of Islam that have killed untold thousands of innocents? Not so much.

Not that they haven't already made it clear where their priorities lie, but still the multi-culti crowd just doesn't get it.

Not really on topic, but certainly an indicator why Islam is enabled in the Western world:

Migrants arriving at one a minute

Ummah News Links

Assslamau alaikum all,

Mohd SAW lost both his parents before he was 6. He was brought up by his uncle who liked Hindu gods.

Grateful for this early education, he however felt that he could touch the stars and wanted more. He just needed divine guidance...and how he got it. IN 23 short years (he started at 40 till 63), he transformed humanity in the ME, gave freedom to womens and gave the musalman something to be proud of. Now inshallah this good news is spreading the world over.

Surely, No one can begrudge him his genius, if you think that the past has been spectular ...just think what the future holds. ...complete global rule of Islam....for the 1st time since Allah created man there will be peace on the Earth....truly you could not ask for a more brighter , lighter and whiter future.

Badawi is right to try and polirtely take you to taks over the blaspheming of such a mighty and highly spiritual leader....

Allah SWT bless you all and I am right here to guilde you as far as possible into this new future, please give generously to your local mosque...we all have a part to play in this future.

Remember Jesus was for 2000 years...Allah is forever. ....yuo0u just need to believe.

islam has already lost one trial against preaching the truth against muhammad allah and islam!

Pastors will keep 'telling truth' on Muslims
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Two Christian pastors found to have vilified Muslims under Victoria's religious hatred law won their appeal and hailed the decision as a victory for free speech.

The Court of Appeal ordered the case to be reheard at the original tribunal, before a different judge and with no further evidence. It set aside the orders for public apologies in newspaper advertisements and for the pastors not to repeat their remarks.

Last year Judge Michael Higgins found that Pastors Danny Nalliah and Daniel Scot and Catch the Fire Ministries vilified Muslims at a seminar on jihad in Melbourne in March 2002, in a newsletter and a website article.

He said these suggested that the Koran promoted killing and looting, that Muslims wanted to take over Australia and terrorists were true Muslims.

Justices Geoffrey Nettle, David Ashley and Marcia Neave overturned that finding but rejected the appeal that the Racial and Religious Vilification Act was unconstitutional.

They ordered the Islamic Council of Victoria, which brought the original complaint, to pay half the appellants' appeal costs but left the costs of the original hearing to be decided by the judge who rehears the case.

After the hearing, Pastor Nalliah said: "I'm really thankful to the Lord. I would be pleased to see it completed and not go back to the tribunal, but what we got was more than a blessing."

He said it was a great day for free speech. He added that all laws needed to be tested, and this now had now been tested and found to be a bad piece of legislation.

Pastor Scot thanked his supporters and vowed to continue conducting seminars on the Koran and Hadiths (Islam's sacred texts). "Some Muslims have got the idea they have to hide the truth, and that's very sad," he said.

"People should know it from the primary sources and not be misled by politically correct teachers who don't know the reality of Islam and want to glorify it with false pretensions and assumptions, " he said.

naseem sweety, unlike you ignorant decieved uneducated muslims and muslimahs we civilized peoples dont honor child rapist and murderers, we inprison them!
the truth of your pedophile messenger is out for the world to see, you ignorant muslims can continue to worship and honor your rapist and pedophiles, we will keep inprisoning and mocking any and all who seeks to honor such scum!
our prisons are full of men just like muhammad, you could come to america and choose your prophet from among thousands!

Naseem:

. . . and yuoou seriously need to rethink your commitment to a blasphemous and satanic cult . . . .

Peeps,

I don't know why y'all are still answering Naseem. This person is pulling your leg. I'm under the impression that this is a college student (or group of students) trying to (successfully) get a rise out of you. It's a free country, but I urge you not to bother with this Naseem.

“There is no other personality who has made such a positive impact on history,” he told the conference.

I sure do not agree with the words of positive impact but maybe Satan's impact would be of like kind.

Islam is a test. a test to see how stupid we really can be. a test to prove that we are so eager to appease and deny moral and universal truths that we will actually see Red as Blue and up as down, and wrong as right.

I'd say Humankind is failing this test.

"MWL plans to launch an international program to introduce the Prophet and the conference called for setting up a fund to support the program. “The anti-Islam campaign also intends to trigger a cultural conflict between the Islamic world and the West and create a situation of clash and conflict in place of dialogue and peaceful coexistence,” the MWL chief said...."

Again, the onus is on those who question the authority and divinity of their Profit Mo-ho-mad, not on the practitioners of violent Islam. Those who question, those who seek reason, justice and mercy are the proclaimed enemies of the Profit Mo-ho-mad. Anyone who is able to reason, question and engage in a dialogue is the sworn enemy of Flimflamislam. By this definition, that means the free world, the worldwide media and the religious leaders of all other faiths.

Thank you MWL for demonstrating why Flimflamislam is totally incompatible with Western thought, law, government, culture and free market practices. (So, if they continue on this path to challenging our freedoms...Muslim, boycott, anyone?)

The FLIMFLAMISLAMISTS can put their mental straightjackets on for the Profit Mo-ho-mad. The rest of us can continue to enjoy our free speech and our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness unencumbered by Sharia Law, the Quarrel-On and the divine words of the Profit Mo-ho-mad.

Naseem --

If Mo gave women their "freedom", as you stated above, then I would hate to see how oppressed women were BEFORE the oppression was lifted.

Sarc off.

The court system may force us to face the issue. What would happen if there was an honor killing, or an aposty killing in Dearborn, and a Muslim juror refused to convict based on his belief that the killing was justified by the Qu’ran?

It is important to get conservative judges on the Supreme Court. It may be the branch of Government that declares Islam Unconstitutional.

This is so typical of the warped muslim mind. Listen to this idiot:

"Jamal Badawi, a Canadian-Muslim expert on Islam, spoke about the Prophet’s outstanding influence on human history.

“There is no other personality who has made such a positive impact on history,” he told the conference.

Positive impact???? The only thing Mohammed (weasel dung cover him in hell) and his genetically retarded followers have brought to the world has been rape, murder, slavery, genocide, pedophilia, and inhuman torture. The muslim mind is incredible and truly Orwellian in its' thinking: Up is Down, Good is Evil, Freedom is Slavery, everything they say is so. The sooner Islam is destroyed the better.
Just so you understand me, Jamal, nobody tells me what I can or can't say in my free country. I will say what I choose and if you don't like it, that's just too damn bad. Your dead pedophile "prophet" from hell doesn't scare me and neither do you or your baseless lawsuits. Why don't you take your demonic korans and get the hell out of my country? Go back to hell where you came from.....

Finally this is something the entire world can support Islam on in lawsuits over Islam as if Islam can sue the world over what it thinks is bad press about Islam, then the world can sue all those oil rich Muslim nations and their western oil rich condo dwelling shieks for all the atrocities which Islam has taken responsibility for like 9 11, Madrid, the USS Cole and gee the billions for the war in Iraq.
What is good for the Islamic goose is good for the world gander. Let the lawsuits begin and rid Islam of all that dirty western money.

Naseem, i see what you are saying Muhammad IS the " Perfect example of human Behaviour " , at least that's what you robots preach. so , should i follow the example of Muhammad and become a Pedophile? for example.do you think it would be ok ( To you )for me to do that? what if i decided to marry a seven year old girl? I mean MO did it, that would not be a crime against a child now would it? cause Mo and the Ayatollah Khomeini , you know the one i mean, the grizzley old bastard from Iran that croaked a few years back , they did it so if they are good examples ...

cause Khomeini said :

" A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister... It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house, rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990] "

I mean he models himself after Muhammad and millions of people ( and i use the term loosely in this instance )around the world adore and think he is wonderful. do you?

Ok Ok that may be a bit much.

What about Animals Naseem ? how do you feel about Donkey's or sheep . met any really hot ones laytely?

Khomeini also said :

" A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”
From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh

what's the Harm . it must be right, right? cause this guy was the spiritual leader of Hundreds of millions. another example of Perfect Behaviour i believe. just like MO.

Naseem , i would very much like for you to answer some of these questions , as i would be very interested to hear your thoughts, being that you adore and admire such people.

Oh , and if you are Female( you know the lesser people, the possessions ) have you ever been Raped? cause i wonder if i have to tell you you go about proving that in your Model society.

Please , i'm eagerly waiting you reply.

In the US, a suit like that would be tossed after the first hearing. In the World Court who knows what will happen.

Posted by: Pelayo at December 28, 2006 04:58 PM

Pelayo,

Congratulations. You have more faith in American courts than I do at the moment. I fully expect SOME judge here in America to rule anti-Islamic rhetoric is "hate speech" and must be banned, lest it make others uncomfortable. Free speech will be voluntarily muzzled, to avoid large legal fees.

The Non-Muslim World League should want lawsuits for "abuse by Islam and the Prophet" starting with treatment of Filipinos and other "guests" in Saudi Arabia. That's for starters. Then the world can move on to trials of Muslims for Jihad in Darfur and a few other places. However, since the belief-system is the only major belief-system that condones deception, it will be difficult, if not impossible, to believe any Muslim testimony-defense in any court, especially a Sharia court. An impartial court requires honest testimony. Distrust of Muslims is the ultimate consequence of having any "religious" doctrines that permit deception. Islam is unique in that regard.

And with that, I don't mean the muslim account of it all, of which the oldest written accounts were written about 200 years after Mo's death, but contemporary accounts, from non-muslim chroniclers and other sources.

You see, as it turns out, the early cult of Mohammed was nothing like islam - it wasn't even called islam, nor were its follewers known as muslims.

And that is just one of the lesser differences...

But the details of that are explained in an excellent book called 'Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World' (1977), written Michael Cook and Patricia Crone.
Posted by: Dae Rolf

I am looking forward to the publication of another book which will deal with this matter. It is tentatively titled "The Avicenna Code". The story-line is roughly as follows: the Caliph has assembled a group of the best scholars, and ordered them to collect all known copies of the verses of the koran and hadith, to collate and scrutinize them, and to delete dubious or spurious verses, so as to produce a standard, uniform koran for the use of the entire islamic world. It turns out that these "scholars" deleted a good deal, and that in most of these deletions, the angel Gabriel spoke to Mohammed not with the voice of Allah, but with the voice of one or another of his daughters, the goddesses al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manah. Fortunately, some of the assembled scholars disagreed with these expurgations, and they formed a secret society to preserve them for posterity, until the time was ripe to publish them. This secret society calls itself the Avicenna Society, after one of its greatest leaders, the medieval philosopher Avicenna. In general these verses reveal a softer, more feminine side of islam, more nurturing, more caring, more supportive. Many of the harsher verses of the existing koran are abrogated. Take, for example, the infamous verse where "even the rocks and trees cry out, 'oh good moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.'" The deleted verse, which abrogates the existing one reads: [Gabriel using the voice of al-Uzza] "Oh Mohammed, Papa was in a bad mood when he said that, he didn't really mean it. what he meant was that the rocks and trees would cry 'oh good moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and embrace him, and tell him there is no need to hide, for you are both believers in faiths handed down by Allah.'" Another example is the deleted verse dealing with when and how a wife is allowed to chastize her husband. The wife is first to gently upbraid her husband for his failings and earnestly urge him to do better. Failing that, she is allowed to forcefuly vilify and mock him. And failing that she is allowed to beat him, only with the hand where it would show, such as on the face, but with a stick where it will not show, and even then only so hard as to cause a bruise, and not so hard as to break bones or damage internal organs. In the verse detailing the circumstances in which such correction may be applied, Gabriel speaks with the voices of all three goddesses: "the husband may be chastized when he fails to provide sufficient resources for the wife to run the household [al-Uzza], when he behaves badly in public and brings dishonor on the family (e.g. by criminal conduct, or cursing, or fighting) [al-Lat], and when he fails to perform well in bed [Manah]."
I should be a good read. I hoope someone writes it.

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable."

posted by Concerned Canadian.

Good Lord what a sick bastard (may his stay in hell be for eternity)!

Surely not even the creature Naseem would agree with that teaching!

Such sexual perversions sound much more in tune with the most diabolical cult than any religion.

Naseem? ...Yoohoo? you out there?

Care to address these charges?

Or are you like your Cult? Cowardly and Brainwashed?

I guess i should not hold my breath expecting a Muslim to actually address the Hypocricy of their Cult of Insanity and Violence.

Isnt it ironic that when these fools mention the name of Mohammed they follow it with "peace be upon him" when this false prophet has never brought anything closely resembling peace upon those around him?!?

I'd like to see Muslim governments, newspapers, professors, clerics, and other spokespeople, taken to the Courts for abuse of Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Catholicism, Buddhism, etc.

It's time they paid for their intolerance, ignorance and blasphemy.

Jerusalem Posts
The pbuh is because he is being tortured in hell, hence he has no peace.

JEDDAH, 28 December 2006 — A two-day conference organized by the Makkah-based Muslim World League yesterday called for a consultative commission in order to take legal action against those who abuse Islam and its Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islamic sanctities, at local and international courts of justice, the Saudi Press Agency said.

If anyone thinks that courts in the U.S. would never take a law suit like this seriously, had better think again.
we already have hate crime and hate speech laws in this country, which are really nothing more than punishing people for what they think and express verbally -- and which the supreme court has upheld as "constitutional".
Because we didn't stand up and fight against these violations of our constitutional rights of free speech, we can look forward someday to being punished for telling the truth about Mohammad and his immoral lifestyle.
So if you feel moved to call Mohammad an asshole or pedophile, you'd better do it now, before the courts in this country decide it's their constitutional duty to invent a new right "not to be insulted". And you can count on the political and religious establishment in this country to get squarely behind enforcement of this new "right".

Naseem, naseem, tch, tch, tch...Listen to the scholars! Haven't you heard yet!? Where have you been? Asleep somewhere?? Taking a snooze??

Here's a Head's Up, naseem -- Mo does not exist. The name Muhammad is simply an honorific title -- like "the wise one" -- but here the term muhammad simply means, "the one who is praised." There was NEVER a single person who went about as the hadith, etc., claim -- said person does NOT exist -- has NEVER existed! It is ALL a fantasy, a fabrication, an enormous lie! It's just a made-up story to entertain people (it's fictional).

said Al-Asheikh; “…On the other hand, all Muslims must observe his (Muhammand’s) teachings in all walks of their life.”

There is no ambiguity in this statement. But what specifically are the "teachings of Muhammad" that must be observed in "all walks of life"?

Didn't Muhammad teach by example; torture, murder, slavery, rape, bigamy, robbery, lying, paedophilia, genocide, supremism, racism, misogyny, stonings, beatings beheadings, and more? Where do the "moderate" Muslims draw the line on their obligations under Islam?

as rediculous as this is, it would be interesting to see the reaction of the ACLU. might keep them in knots for decades.

ohara

Rather than pursue flivolous lawsuits, muslims should try an old trick. Stop behaving like murderous, uncivilized, uncultured, violent, triumphalistic, industrially nonproducing animals. That would be a start and then we could work on some of their other undesireable traits.

urged Muslims to make all-out efforts to project the true picture of Islam and the great divine teachings of the Prophet.

"True picture of islam" kill all non muslims, death by chopping body parts, torture and rape of women, death by bomb belts.. killing unarmed civilians..
{True Islam equals TRUE COWARDS"

" urged Muslims to make all-out efforts to project the true picture of Islam and the great divine teachings of the Prophet"

That's what they ARE doing.

Who's confused about this?

anyone?

i thought not.

"Surely, No one can begrudge him his genius."
Posted by: Naseem at December 28, 2006 07:08 PM

Naseem,

Thanks again for stopping by and pointing out the obvious reality of Islam. An Ethically- challenged malcontent creates a cult. Only 1400 years later, a roster of mentally-challenged serfs, to the tune of 1.4B people, still buys this crap from that clown.

Finally removing Allah from the equation is a step in the right direction for you as far as truth and honesty go. It's obviously Muhammad's game and his record speaks for itself. Allah was merely the makings of his twisted mind.

Please do post again.

"I'm sure Robert can digg up the proper surah."

Posted by EliasAlucard

Actually I think that's one of our problems. We are relying on Robert and Hugh to do our research for us. We cannot afford to be just a bunch of Dittoheads

I raided the local library and came out with "The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an" by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. It is a heavily annotated translation put out by (or escaped from) Amana Publications.

I've already renewed it once and am only a third of the way through. It is hard slogging but I believe it's necessary to "know thine enemy" and pass the knowledge along.

One Robert and one Hugh are not enough.

Karl Popper once wrote that any movement which promotes intolerance places itself beyond the law. There is no point in the farce by which Muslims try to use the legal systems and freedoms of liberal democracies to subvert those democracies. The populations of non-Muslim countries should demand that the adherents of this religion be placed beyond the protection of the UN declaration of human rights, at least in the sections that protect them from deportation and freedom of travel.Just get them out of western democracies. They look upon any institutions produced by non-Islamic cultures with contempt, whatever lies they may find it expedient to tell: this goes for representative democracy, equality of the sexes and freedom of expression. Because of this, they have foregone full entitlement to rights conferred by those institutions. Just get them out of western countries and back to their 'zone of peace' as soon as is practically possible.

How ironic is it, that these shmucks cry abuse? Abuse a prophet that conveys abuse? That is what you Mutmouths want! It is in your texts! Abuse, you know it well, is your mainstay! We abuse, yet, do not abuse us. What the f u ck is that?

USBEAST,

Beware of Yusuf Ali's translation. He takes liberties the others don't in order to sanitize the Quran.

Among the four widely-accepted translations, only Ali added the word "lightly" to verse 4.34, where Allah allegedly gave man permission to beat his woman.

I think that CAIR, and the ACLU, needs to look a little deeper before passing rulings of sound mind and body statements. Abuse! They abuse Jesus daily, nothing is done. They deny Jesus as our prophet, nothing is done. Say that Mohammed is fictitious in nature, and is a figment of Muslim adoration, catch a ride on the railroad bus. How come Catholicism, and Christianity, are considered crimes, and offenses committed by Muslims are deemed cultural differences? Attack us with your religious banter, and prepare to get it back ten-fold!

“There is no other personality who has made such a positive impact on history,” [Jamal Badawi] told the conference.

WHEN was that ??

Want to see how the U.S. is abusing them? Go to this video on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSbCnWe6e1o

It's the 'Army Strong' recruitment video. In it, one scene shows a woman recruit out on a training run. Wearing a skirt and hijab. Now, I don't know about you guys, but I don't want my son serving next to someone who obviously hasn't had the same rigorous training as the other soldiers. This is sickening.

And speaking of sickening, in yesterday's Christain Science Monitor there was an article about how all of the branches of the Armed Forces are aiming recruiting at the U.S. Muslim community. According to Sec. of Defense, there is nothing in Islam which is incompatible with serving in the armed forces or with democracy. Too bad the poor guy can't read.

OUTLAW

GROUPS THAT SEEK TO OVERTHROW

THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

. . . whether by force or by using our laws against us!

What "Groups?"

All Islamic groups

There are no "moderate" Islamic groups

Only ex-Moslem groups are "moderate"

Typical Muslim tripe by a self-professed expert, he makes all these extra ordinary claims about Islam and Muhammed while not giving just one extra ordinary piece of proof to back up that claim.

The good thing about the Olympics is that it only allows someone to be a liar for 4 years , anyone can claim they can lift 1000lbs, jump 9' high,run a 3 minute mile,long jump 40 feet , or any other amazing feat.
But the day will come when you'll have to prove it in front of the cameras and most of the World viewing the Olympics every 4 years.
So keep in mind that idiots like Bawadi from CAIR-Canada is free to make all the claims he wants about Islam being a religion of Peace and Muhammed being the perfect example of a man for all to emulate , these lies will only last until the next Terrorism slaughter by Muslims for Allah's cause or until the next Scholar defend pedophilia by Muhammed because Aisha was a gift from Allah and Muhammed had the moral conviction to wait until she was 9 before he raped her.

CAIR-Canada is slowly becoming obsolete since the Media has also published their links to Hamas and their support for Hezbollah and Dr.Elmasry's crusade for Sharia Law in canada with his Whahabi zealot pal Dr.Sheema (AKA con-job Khan) Khan who was given the boot from CAIR after telling lies under oath during a Inquiry , and Sheema even swore on a Quran to tell the truth .

some more

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/whale_nun.htm

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/earth_flat.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/sun_set.html

and much more ...

some more

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/whale_nun.htm

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/earth_flat.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/sun_set.html

and much more ...

So they are all in Mekka

... they don't commit idolatry? - but kiss a black stone there?

USBeast

There are several good online places that you can scour for not just Quran, but also Sunnah, Fiqh, Usool and other items. This is a good place to start (thanks to Archimedes)

I personally use the Quranbrowser.com for any Quranic verses that get quoted (enter verse# in search box like this 9:5, and select the desired translations). I generally pick Hilali-Khan, which the video "Islam: what the West needs to know" uses, as well as Arberry, which Robert seems to pick as his favorite (my only peeve about it is the use of the word 'God' instead of 'Allah', since English speaking Muslims worship Allah, not God.)

For Hadith, Fiqh, Reliance of the Traveller, Usool, I highly recommend the al Muhaddith search engine, which one can search either by keywords, or by chapter and verse.

Concerned Canadian said

From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh"

These quotes must be hitting a little too close to home. Over at wikipedia, they are denying that the book exists, or if it does exist, that Ayatolla Khomeini didn't write it, and it contains alot of non-child-and-animal-sex stuff so it's really not so bad, and anyways, we're all a bunch of bigots for quoting from it.

Just another example of Islamic deception.

tactical denial, that's what they try and is
part of Islam strategies

The complete Persian text of this saying can be found in "Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom"

There is even a picture of this book. http://civoc.com/society/?p=67

Arnie,
So they are all in Mekka
... they don't commit idolatry? - but kiss a black stone there?

yes, the black stone represents Mo's ass.

So much arrogance and hubris from such a primitive and backward doctrine is difficult to take.

When is islam going to be put in its place?

Retards >>>>>
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006600358,00.html

Let me check the date first , right...it is not
April the first.

The conference titled “In Defense of the Prophet” called upon Islamic countries and governments to stand united to defend the Islamic faith and its Prophet. It denounced the smear campaigns to tarnish the image of the Prophet and urged Muslims to make all-out efforts to project the true picture of Islam and the great divine teachings of the Prophet.

PLEASE inform me how it is possible to smear
Islam and Muhammad.
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence realises this gangster concocted his visions to justify his killing,raping,robbing and paedophilia.
The vast majority of the public are unaware of
this ...they need to know !

Oh i forgot...the BNP must be shaking in thier
boots...NOT !

The ancient Egyptians built the great pyramids. After Islam took them, they can't even remember how they built the damn things! I'm baffled.

Naseem, sister in Adam, Muhammad is not the kind of man you would want to emulate. Ask yourself the question: Would you leave your 7 year old daughter alone with him, if he lived today?

USBeast is correct.

We cant just rely on people like Mr Spencer (pbuh)

It is the sacred duty of every freedom lover to engage in anti-jihad, rule number one KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

Rule number two, do something about it. If you cant fight, then giving money and shelter to a fighter is as if you had fought yourself. Damn where do i get this k(o)rap.

Cup of tea anyone?

Mr Tommy Atkins

One of your "Friends" has asked for the killing of all Children.

I am sure you'll must be really supportive of such things. Aren't you?
I bet he was a regular visitor and supporter here hanging out with extremists like you'll.
What do you have to say in his defense

One of your "Friends" has asked for the killing of all Children.
I am sure you'll must be really supportive of such things. Aren't you?
I bet he was a regular visitor and supporter here hanging out with extremists like you'll.
What do you have to say in his defense
Posted by: Muslim Unity

What children were they ?...the three beheaded Indonesian Christian girls you indoctrinated
servile cretin.

The conference titled “In Defense of the Prophet” called upon Islamic countries and governments to stand united to defend the Islamic faith and its Prophet. It denounced the smear campaigns to
tarnish the image of the Prophet.

It's difficult to further tarnish the image of the prophet when the moslems have done such a good job of it themselves. After all the basic writings of Islam describe Mohammed as a murderer, thief, brigand, liar, oath-breaker, lecher, rapist, child-molester, bigot, and slaver. And these qualities are presented as admirable and worthy of imitation. How could one further tarnish this image?

"IN 23 short years (he started at 40 till 63), he transformed humanity in the ME,"

........well, at least this part is very true.....and the transformation has not been a good one......

"...just think what the future holds. ..."

.......bondage and bodies at the hands of Islam--the Religion of Peace---....comes to mind.

Moses had much more of an impact on the world than Mohammed did! From Moshe Rabenu (Moses our Teacher) the world received the Ten Commandments!!

Wait a minute. What law do they want to use.

Look at this undermining situation of the Thai coup leader who is married illigally with 2 wifes. Its against the law to have two reghistered marriages in this country.

What is he up to. For now he went to kiss the black stone in Mekka.
Islam is the most sexy ideology.

http://civoc.com/society/?p=69

Mohd SAW lost both his parents before he was 6.
--- posted by Nasseem

His mother abandoned him. Twice. The second time happened when the wet nurse’s husband insist that the little monster be returned. early.

I suppose these clowns will sue if I call him Mo or Muhammad instead of the Prophet Muhammad

No, you're getting mixed up here. Call him Mu or suffer the consequences. Speaking of which, shouldn’t Nasseem’s blasphemous reference just above land her in one of Paki’s infamous prisons?

One word to describe this conference – kafkaesque. It is surreal distortion of the truth and it is accompanied by an impending sense of danger – as is any event from the dysfunctional world of Islam.

Alarmed Pig Farmer said:

"...[s]peaking of which, shouldn’t Nasseem’s blasphemous reference just above land her in one of Paki’s infamous prisons?"

Naseem has admitted to numerous matters that would ordinarily have landed (should the Islamic authorities ever catch wind of them) a person to be buried in a pit, and stoned to death. Why she continues to espouse the evil that she has upon such occasions raised issues with is beyond comprehension.

Naseem obviously HAS isssues with Islam, but they must have been put away for the time-being, or else she's had a "stern-talking-to" by her imam about THINKING ON HER OWN about what to believe, and what not to believe. Making personal decisions about ANYTHING is anathima to Islam.

"'There is no other personality (i.e. "Muhammad") who has made such a positive impact on history,' he (Jamal Badawi) told the conference."

As well as "Mein Kampf" is selling in Islamic countries, I suppose that they'd have to put Adolf Hitler about as close to their "prophet" as anyone as far as having "positive impact on history." Their political and societal ideologies are nearly identical.

Fatwa deal in Bangladesh despite mounting protests

While we're talking, Islam moves on in an ugly style.
http://civoc.com/society/?p=70

@americaningermany...

"Are you sure you were a muslim convert and not an ORC convert?"

Not certain what on ORC convert is...as far as Allah being the anti-christ i would say that Allah may or may not be...i mean, how does one come to such a difinitive conclusion objectively and not subjectivly...? i think there are many anti-christs if by anti-christ is meant someone downright evil...Allah's existence is purely a subjective act on the part of an individual...how one chooses to act on that belief perhaps would be anti-christian?

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable."

As I understand it, this sort of thing is in the Jewish Talmud also. The Orthodox Jews accept it, and can join the moslems in the slave business - wherein young girls and women are sold in the ME.

http://www.talmudunmasked.com/

It's in the bible also.

THAT is why I stay away from ANY religion and dogma. ANd listen to my Soul.

"Are you sure you were a muslim convert and not an ORC convert? I mean, it does all really sound like a story from Middle Earth and the FIGHT between good and evil, doesn't it?
"

WELL HELL1

In case nobody has noticed THAT is what it is ALL about!

Haven't you realized it yet?

If you stand back and think about it - look at history, the history of the world - and take an objective view of the whole thing - that's waht it's been all along!

The story of the "Lord of the Rings" IS about us, humanity. WE ARE the Hobbits.

It was written also in the "Silmarillion."

Where a powerful Energy Force becomes Unbalanced hating mankind so much, it works to destroy humanity. That's happening right now!

How is it doing that?

IT created RELIGION and Dogma/rules to divide humans.

If you have noticed, ea. culture can live very well side by side - happily minding it's own business until a a cleric steps in, and incites riots and violence.

The clerics are the ones that stir the hornet's nest - then stand back with a smirk.

Haven't you been noticing this time and time again in the events in the ME? It's always a cleric stirring up trouble.

According to modern science, everything gives off energy - and riots and violence give off tsunami energy waves- which these evil old men absorb - making them MORE powerful.

There was always been a fight betw Light and Dark!

but it's been obsfuscated by the pace of modern life - and also deliberately done- by teaching modern man to see it as "superstition" - and in this way, causing the "common" man to face away from it and marginalize this knowledge.

What better way for Darkness to gain strength than to cause mankind to laugh at the overview I've just given?

why should there be a lawsuit for abuse of islam the prophet muhammed when all muslims do is abuse christianity in muslim country's

muslims abuse churches in muslim countries and they treat christians as 2nd class citizens if theres going to be a lawsuit to protect islam and muhammed then they should also have a lawsuit against those extremist who harras christians and churches

Islam as it stands...the 1.4 billion version or however many there are is simply an experiment in social control and engineering...just like democracy, capitalism...whathave you...

allat what you said is wrong sure there has been violence in religions but Athiest idealogy has also caused blood shed look at stalin for example he was a atheist who killed 20 million christians and mao killed millions to

stalin started his genocide after he read darwin and became a atheist

Do we live in a country where we have free speech or not? Seems in some parts of Europe, this is becoming a real problem in that if you say something - even if it is the truth - that offends a muslim, then they are labelling it 'hate speech'.

They would love to chip away at our rights and that is why it is vital that 'we the people' stand up against them.

Today our freedom of speech....tomorrow?

allat said

As I understand it, this sort of thing is in the Jewish Talmud also. [...]http://www.talmudunmasked.com/ [...]It's in the bible also.

Where are the sex-with-kids-and-animals-is-okay quotes you alluded to in the Talmud and the Bible? I didn't see it in the anti-Semitic Catholic site you linked.

According to mainstream and established Islamic doctrine, Mohammad had sex with a nine year old girl and with slaves. According to Christian doctrine, Jesus did not. Your tu quoque argument seems a little vacuous. I don't believe in any religions either, but I don't tell lies about, and misrepresent, religious teachings. Your claim that all religions are the same will need a little more proof than just your saying that they are.

"Do we live in a country where we have free speech or not? Seems in some parts of Europe, this is becoming a real problem in that if you say something - even if it is the truth - that offends a muslim, then they are labelling it 'hate speech'"

that is what mainstream islam is all about...you have no rights of your own...it is about control of the many by the few who in this case are the so-called scholars who do the interpreting for ya...your job as a good muslim or as a citizen of a capitalist police state is to do and believe what you are told to do...in capitalist police states all you need to do is keep your mouth shut and just continue to shop and watch sports...in islam you keep your mouth shut and do what the "experts" tell you is Allah's will for you so you get to paradise...

Yes, that is true...but then ask yourself why non-muslim politicians are pushing the 'hate speech' issue? Are they puppets of the muslim community or something even MORE sinister?

...your job as a good muslim or as a citizen of a capitalist police state is to do and believe what you are told to do...in capitalist police states all you need to do is keep your mouth shut and just continue to shop and watch sports...in islam you keep your mouth shut and do what the "experts" tell you is Allah's will for you so you get to paradise...

Nice try jihadlove, nice try.

And just what countries are Capitalist Police states to you? Islam is definitely a Religious police state. look at Turkey ,Iran , Afganistan and almost every other Islamic nation.We have Democracy and free speech. we have REAL elections, not the fixed irrelevant kind like Muslims do. you know the kind where someone like Saddam Hussein get's a miraculous 100% of the Vote. and unlike the Law of Islam we do have the right to perpetually Criticise our Religions and Gov'ts , and Gueass what we don't disapear in the night for doing it. Take your Islamic Propaganda and stuff it. nobody here is falling for any of it. you are a slave just like the 1.5 Billion other Robots who worship your Sick Prophet and his Violent Demonic Cult. It's amazing to me that someone like you who apparently comes from a free society would actually chosse to enslave themselves.
Heres hoping you never end up on the wrong side of Sharia Law , or that your mother , sister or Wife ever get's raped, cause i hope you know what your lovely religion deals with that.

Slave!

Just to be devils advocate, Champ in his moment of wisdom states:

"If Mo gave women their "freedom", as you stated above, then I would hate to see how oppressed women were BEFORE the oppression was lifted."

Let us not be such hypocrites and forget that only in the last 50 - 100 years have women in USA been able to be accepted as semi-equal to their male counterparts.

It wasn't until the mid 1900's that women could actually vote or hold a proper career, or do about anything except cook, clean and raise a family.... so to stop sounding like a moron, please don't jump on the band wagon of ignorance.

If anyone has been oppressing our women, it is ourselves.

please! The injustices women suffered in the west 100 years ago are still light years better than the treatment of women in Islam TODAY! it's insulting to compare them. it sounds like turnspeak to talk like that. nobody is saying we are perfect BUT we do evolve! Islam cannot and will not. there is a huge difference you Dhimmie!

Your speaking from ignorance, I study religion and can categorically state that you have no knowledge about the Abrahamic religion and hat they say about the role of women. You are just jumping in to the bandwagon of ignorance and foolishness.

There may be in cultural societies, women mistreated, just as women in the USA are more likely to be raped than anywhere in the world (go look at statistics)..... but the core religions of Islam, Christianity and Judaism provide women with almost equal rights of those to men.

And the rest of humanity wants to file lawsuits against Islam and its alleged "prophet" to make them pay for their abuse of the rest of humanity.

TRULY---

Islam is cruel and unusual punishment if ever there was such an animal.

The Muslim world must pay for the torture and death and detruction and repression it has so "religiously" willingly inflicted on humanity.

LET'S GET 'EM, GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There may be in cultural societies, women mistreated, just as women in the USA are more likely to be raped than anywhere in the world (go look at statistics).....

That's because women have more freedom of movement in the US than just about anywhere in the world, which inevitably puts them in some bad situations. Keeping women locked up in the house does wonders to reduce instances of rape. Additionally, women are probably underreporting rape in other parts of the world, especially in Islamic societies, where it can get them charged with adultery, and overreporting it in the US (you should check out the estimates of how many false rape charges are filed each year).

Sometimes statistics don't tell the whole story.

but the core religions of Islam, Christianity and Judaism provide women with almost equal rights of those to men.

Islam isn't a "core" religion. If it never existed the world would be no poorer for it. Christianity and Judaism, whatever their truth or falsity, at least expanded man's notions of the universe and himself. Islam did, and does, nothing of the sort. The sooner it disappears, the better.

@concerned canadian
"Nice try jihadlove, nice try."

i dont know what the H*** you mean by that! It aint my religion...my religion is personal so dont equate me with anyone or anything...as far as capitalist police states, try having an "illegal strike" and watch what happens to you when you try to stop the strike breakers...the USA is a capitalist police state and I am an american...just try to stand up for your rights in the workplace and watch what happens to you...ostracized, no promotions, etc and etc...it is all about control even in a capitalists state...you either are controeld or you are the idiot who lives off the labor of others and does the controling...Islamic states are indeed far worse an i recognize that so dont tell me nice try!

Let us not be such hypocrites and forget that only in the last 50 - 100 years have women in USA been able to be accepted as semi-equal to their male counterparts.

It wasn't until the mid 1900's that women could actually vote or hold a proper career, or do about anything except cook, clean and raise a family.... so to stop sounding like a moron, please don't jump on the band wagon of ignorance.

If anyone has been oppressing our women, it is ourselves.

Hmmm . i don't see anything about Abrahamic religion/law in that post . I was replying to Your comparing the rights of women 100 years ago to the treatement of women in Islam TODAY.

Are you honestly sayng that Islam treats women as we do now? that we in the West over the last 100 years ever treated them as harshly? look at the Taliban, look at the Rape laws, look at the age of consent in places like Iran, which is 9 i believe. i'm Ignorant of nothing . you are just a Typical " Educated " know it all who loves twisting facts. We are not like Islam in any way. haven't been for centuries.

"Islam isn't a "core" religion."

Actually, Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion, it is also the wests fastest growing religion, and the main converters are women. I don't see swords of steal forcing them, rather swords of intellect... this notion of Islam spreading by the sword is wrong.

"look at the age of consent in places like Iran, which is 9 i believe"

And it is 13 in Spain and 14 in some America states, go have a look at Canada - http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

Go to 1850's in America and Britain and see what the age for legal sex was then, you will be surprised, as children back then were not children but young adults. So because that was OK 100 years ago but not now, that makes us now right and everyone else wrong?

One word: Hypocrasy

" So because that was OK 100 years ago but not now, that makes us now right and everyone else wrong? "

One word : Irrelevant

So because we once were like that we can never have a Moral highground? like i said we evolved, Islam isn't and won't.
It's about moving forward and aducating ourselves and EVOLVING as a culture. that is why we are here talking about Islam. Islam has not eveolved in 1400 years . it is not allowed to.
Comparing us as we were to how they are, well that is Hypocricy my friend

No, what we are doing is imperialism and imposing our beliefs on others, which is morally, ethically and humanely wrong.

Note that letsbehonest assumes that Champ is a man. Freudian ain't it. I am personally more concerned about how islam directs muslims to treat all unbelievers than I am about the sad plight of women within that group. It is true that rape happens all too frequently in the west but fortunately it is punished severely and does not require four male witnesses, no females allowed, including the victim. As an aside, the west doesn't punish the victim as an adulterer.

letsbehonest,
I live among moslems and i witness everyday that islam imposes its beliefs on others, leaving them no choice. Isn't that imerialism?

There is no substitute for experiencing islam in a majority moslem country like where i have lived for over thirteen years.

You think islam is such a peaceful religion and that its converts are growing in numbers because it's so attractive.

You are soooo deluded. islam is plain tyranny.

One day you will learn.

letsbehonest:

You are NOT being honest in our view.

The fact that women were not equally treated under the law in the US in the 18th and 19th centuries does NOT automatically mean that women in the USA were being systematically mistreated, and anyway inequality in and of itself does not equal repression. The United States during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries was a product of its time as was every other country (although it is true some other western democracies were making more rapid social evolutionary strides at that time than was the US). Many economic advances made by this country which have enabled women to change their role in American society were not in effect at the times you imply that women were being mistreated.

The reality througout world history is that women and men ARE different and have had very different roles to play in society. It is not repressive (or 'sexist')in and of itself to set up a society so that women read children and men earn the family's ecnomic sustenance. You do not need to agree with it, just understand that this is not a form of brutality against the female sex which is so tragically common in the Muslims world.

You do not seem to realize that men have never been immune to institutionalized repression and mistreatment, even when they have received the advantages that you decry have been denied women. Plenty of males meet up with workplace injustices and mistreatment (read Upton Sinclair's THE JUNGLE--most women would have gladly missed out on the ecomomic 'opportunities' of Chicago in the late 1800s!). Certainly men have been forced to carry the burden of financial well-being for their families which entails its own hardships and explains in part why education, economic and political advantages were usually reserved for men. In a divorce in the US today, the legal ramifications are almost always harder on the male than the female and the reasons are the same: the male carries the economic burden of responsibiity for the family's welfare. Here we see a clear case of institutionalized 'gender bias'. But it really isn't that at all. It is a reflection of the fact that men and women are NOT the same. And they will never be. Big deal.

In my opinion, troubles historically faced by women in the US more often than not are not really the result of unstitutionalized gender mistreatment. This however is the case with Islam! And although you have not meant the comparison to be so, any such comparisons are offensive.

And by the way, if women are more likely to be raped in the US than anywhere else, shall name the culprits for this outrage: criminals that have illegally immigrated into the US from the Third World countries during the mid-twentieth century (many of whom are likely to be Muslim by the way)? Or would that be too honest for you to stomach.

many people are so deluded that they talk themselves into accepting any tyranny.
Others excuse it or accept it.

I know where I stand when it comes to giving up freedoms and rights that have been hard-earned by my forefathers.

Rocky, you aren't Muslim nor are you dead.

And all those rights your forefathers worked for, they got thrown in the bin by the President of the USA :)

letsbehonest: We should haul you in for false advertising.

The young age for legal consent is explained by the fact that the average lifespan was about 30 years. This is pretty much a worldwide phenomena. Even Hindus have allowed marriage with children.

In a society where people rarely lived to be older than 30, twelve may not seem so young to most folks.

But the average lifespan in the western democracies is now about 80 years and going up all the time. 12 suddenly appears VERY young!!

But the trouble with the Islamic countries is that they going to continue right on permitting adults to have sex with their children no matter what. Because the Kuran forbids Islamic societies to change. Ever.

ps-Islam has no problems at all with imposing its beliefs systems on everybody else. The trouble is no one has ever opted to accept islam willingly. Islam has always been forced on non-Muslims through jihad warfare. NOW--

If you think Islam is going to stay confined to the islamosphere's hellholes like Pakistan you are in for a (VERY) rude awakening!!!!!! Islamic ideology has built into it the belief that the entire world is to be forced into the Islamic political-legal entity known as shariat. As an unbeliever, you have absolutely NO say in it whatsoever. Nor would you if you were a Muslim either.

And if you are concerned about "humane" and SIMULTANEOUSLY believe that Muslim societies should be left to exist under shariat (which is the most barbaric 'legal' system ever devised) you are naive in the extreme.

pythagoras, in response to letsbehonest said (in part):

"The fact that women were not equally treated under the law in the US in the 18th and 19th centuries does NOT automatically mean that women in the USA were being systematically mistreated, and anyway inequality in and of itself does not equal repression. The United States during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries was a product of its time as was every other country (although it is true some other western democracies were making more rapid social evolutionary strides at that time than was the US)."

What's totally nuts about Islam is that it has never reformed. It's still stuck in the seventh century in its view of the world and the people in it. It still regards Black Africans as worthy only for slavery, just as it did over four hundred years ago. It will NEVER be a product of its time. It demands that all humanity revert to a less-sophisticated, retarded existence.

The United States used to regard Black Africans as such 150 years ago, but we grew and became more enlightened in our view of human beings, in the spirit that all men are truly equal in the sight of God, and that we should do unto them as we would do for ourselves. We have constituted our society to ensure that ALL races and creeds equal protection under our laws.

Islam has NEVER reformed their view of human beings, whether they be Muslim or "infidel." Their view of men and the world devolves to a time predating recorded history, or at least to a time when all people lived in a barbaric, unsophisticated existence. Islamic demand to submit to its "way of life" is utmost tyranny.

"The young age for legal consent is explained by the fact that the average lifespan was about 30 years. This is pretty much a worldwide phenomena. Even Hindus have allowed marriage with children."

Therefor Muhammad was NOT a pedophile, he was doing what every single human male did at that time of life. That has cleared that point.

"ps-Islam has no problems at all with imposing its beliefs systems on everybody else. The trouble is no one has ever opted to accept islam willingly. Islam has always been forced on non-Muslims through jihad warfare. NOW--"

That is not true, Islam in not imposed because the foundation for Islam is: "Let there be no compulsion in religion" but I do agree that some minority people have been doing this, which should be dealt with accordingly because it is not Islamic doctrine to force anyone to convert to Islam.

But using the minority of a group is not the essence of the group. You tell the tree by the fruit it produces. That is like saying that every Christian vicar is a homosexual rapist, it is just not accurate.

It is however Islamic doctrine that anyone who fights Islam or stops people from performing their religious duty CAN be fought against.

letsbehonest says:

"But using the minority of a group is not the essence of the group. You tell the tree by the fruit it produces. That is like saying that every Christian vicar is a homosexual rapist, it is just not accurate."

And who is making generalized statements about ALL Muslims being enemies to all mankind?" Where is there "a clear and present danger" for Muslims that their religion is at risk from non-Muslims?

Indeed, any and all statements regarding action to be taken against Muslims is in reaction to their demands to be treated with preference to any and all peoples of differing philosphies and beliefs. Christians can be chided from dawn 'til dusk about our beliefs, and our Lord and Savior can be disrespected and reviled with immunity. However, should anyone voice ANY disagreement with Islam or their "prophet," then their cries for Infidel blood are unending.

And where is your evidence for this "minority of a group" view of yours? If you have and any access to the large majority of Islamic media out of the Middle East and other Muslim-majority nations, the preachings of their top clerics show that your view is apparently incorrect.

5:17 - "Unbelievers are those who declare: 'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.'"

"It is however Islamic doctrine that anyone who fights Islam or stops people from performing their religious duty CAN be fought against."

This is not true. Their religous duty IS to fight against the unbeliever. They are not given the choice to do one or the other. You are propagating a myth.

Do we worship the same God?
109:1-6 - "Say: 'Unbelievers, I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship. I shall never worship what you worship, nor will you ever worship what I worship. You have your own religion and I have mine.'"

"Indeed, any and all statements regarding action to be taken against Muslims is in reaction to their demands to be treated with preference to any and all peoples of differing philosphies and beliefs. Christians can be chided from dawn 'til dusk about our beliefs, and our Lord and Savior can be disrespected and reviled with immunity. However, should anyone voice ANY disagreement with Islam or their "prophet," then their cries for Infidel blood are unending."

Islam does not demand preference nor does it demand anything but tolerance and equal rights of those of other faiths. Religion in the 1600's in Spain for example was peaceful, the Muslims, Jews and Christians all lived side by side, they worshiped in the same building and studied literature and science together.

A Muslim should be just as sad about Jesus being ridiculed as Muhammad, as they are both prophets in Islam, in fact, Jesus is one of the greatest prophets. A Muslim however should NOT march around demanding people be beheaded for doing so, this is not peaceful.

It depends on these "so called" top clerics. The Pope of Rome is the "Top Christian" but that does not mean that every Christian is celibate. There is no TOP in Islam, the final and only words are what was taught by Muhammad and from the Quran, not some interpretation by a man standing in front of a large crowd.

Jesus is not ISA!
http://hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/koran3.html

Carolyn2: Do we worship the same God?
109:1-6 - "Say: 'Unbelievers, I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship. I shall never worship what you worship, nor will you ever worship what I worship. You have your own religion and I have mine.'"

This was to people who believe in multiple GODs and in idols.

Islam and Christianity and Judaism believe in the same GOD, they are all from the Abrahamic root, and that line is there is only ONE GOD, who is the superior creator of the entire universe and to him alone we render our worship.

Jesus is not Jesus you mean. There is no J in Hebrew :p

5:17 - "Unbelievers are those who declare: 'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.'"

The name Christ comes from the word Christos in Greek, and Christos comes from the Hebrew word Messiah, which means to anoint.

The name Jesus is a man made fabrication and these names in the Bible do not exist in the Hebrew language, therefor the Bible that we have today is not the word of GOD, but someones interpretation.

GOD isn't the messiah, "Jesus" was the messiah.

Yeshua is the name he was called. A Jewish name.

letsbehonest, you may be trying to be honest, but you are honestly ignorant. Your grasp of history is rooted in revisionism, outright lies, and you are insistent that this propaganda is truth. Obviously, you are a poor victim of our sorry public education and university system (if you have gotten that far into your "growth" as an adult.

As such, I must dismiss you out-of-hand because to do otherwise would to just heap so many pearls upon a swine wallowing in the muck. It would be a waste of both my time and yours.

Bukhari:V6B61N550 "The Prophet said, ‘It is a bad thing some of you say,"I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur'an." For truly, I have been caused by Allah to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur'an because it escapes faster than a runaway camel.'"

according to islam jesus was a muslim...a jewish muslim...where did they get the name isa from does anyone know?

letsbehonest

Therefor Muhammad was NOT a pedophile, he was doing what every single human male did at that time of life.

Utter nonsence , How do you know EVERY male at that time was paedophile ?
Do you possess a time travelling machine you
idiot.
If people of any faith were doing the same as
Muhammad that SIMPLY MAKES THEM THE SAME.
A child molester/rapist !

Aladdinsane: In the old days, as soon as a girl came in to puberty she was married off.

yohannbiimu: I do not see why I am ignorant, you are sayign that Jesus was this mans name?.....

Jihadlove: The name Isa has no Arabic root, so it may be a word that describes his nature or some other thing. It is not known where this name comes from, it is unique, just as Jesus himself was.

"Do you possess a time travelling machine you
idiot."

yes...he does posses one...

Yes, it is called documented historical fact.

letsbehonest...

Muslims are perverted indoctrinated servile
imbeciles.

http://www.geocities.com/islampencereleri3/sayings_of_ayatollah_khomeini.htm

That has cleared that point...from 1990.

"yohannbiimu: I do not see why I am ignorant, you are sayign that Jesus was this mans name?....."

Where have I said this? Quote where I have said this. You assume and then state nonsense. I have not even mentioned "Jesus" anywhere on this board. You are a fountain of ignorance.

This is one of my all-time favorite quotes from islam's very "truthful and preserved" texts.

Tabari II:106 "Allah sent gnats against the Babylonians, and they ate their flesh and drank their blood, and nothing but their bones were left. But Allah gave Nimrod a single gnat which entered his nostril and went on beating the inside of his head with hammers for four hundred years. The most merciful of his friends was he who bunched up his hands and beat Nimrod's head with them."

You believe this, letsbehonest ?
I know it is hadith, Tabari is supposed to be a "good hadith."

That is lies. Show me it in the Quran or hadith.

Sodomy is forbidden.
Beastiality is forbidden.
Marrying your daughter is forbidden.

So easily led astray, just liek the sheep in Isa's time, a wicked and vile generation.

Carolyn2: Not all of Tabari hadith are believed to be sound authentic chains of source, it is believed some have been modified.

yohannbiimu: "letsbehonest, you may be trying to be honest, but you are honestly ignorant."

I was asking why I was ignorant, was it my statement on Jesus? ....

Letbehonest...is that true that islam teaches that you will be executed for changing your religion from islam to lets say, hare krishna..? do you know what their rational for this is..?

thanks

Carolyn2 The sound, authentic hadiths are Bukhari, Muslim, Muwatta, Dawud and Tirmidhi

jihadlove: The reason is because you have had the knowledge of Islam and then rejected it. A person who leaves Islam is first given the choice to go back to Islam, providing him / her with all the support and information they need to clear their doubts.

If they still will not return, then it is "legal" under Sharia to execute them, returning them to GOD to face the judgement, this does not mean it is obligatory to execute them however. The Quran states that it is best to forgive the wrongdoings of a Muslim than to punish them, but it is legal to execute them.

There are also scenarios where execution is also allowed in Christianity and Judaism.

letsbehonest

I was wondering if you could reference for me where Islam is the fastest growing religion in the west, especially amongst women. I am certain Buddhism has quite a lead on it, especilly amongst women. I think for every westrener that converts to Islam about five born Muslims apostate. This is what Ive seen while living in the US, Sweden, Germany, and Thailand. I bet the rate would be even higher if not for all the social reinforement. I know a few ex muslims in hiding from their familes. The punishment for apostay being death. Sad that loyalty to a religious dogma would overide love your children.

letsbehonest

That is lies. Show me it in the Quran or hadith.
Sodomy is forbidden.
Beastiality is forbidden.

Just in case you missed or ignored this>>>>>

http://www.geocities.com/islampencereleri3/sayings_of_ayatollah_khomeini.htm

Ayatollah Khomeini:
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he
should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK.

Hello are you there ?
Ah well...

aladdinsane57: Yes, that is covered with sodomy.

Promoting that without evidence would class you as vile and wicked.

The Fiend Mohammad:

(63) Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong to one religion and no Prophet was raised between me and Jesus. (Book #030, Hadith #5835)

The Anti-Christ (Mohammad):

"Antichrist will exceed in malice, perversity, lust, wickedness, impiety, and ruthlessness and barbarity all men that have ever disgraced human nature. Through his great power, deceit and malice he shall succeed in decoying or forcing to his worship two thirds of mankind; the remaining third part of men will continue true to the faith and worship of Jesus Christ most steadfastly. But in his satanic rage and fury, Antichrist will persecute these brave and devout Christians and torture them with such an extremity of barbarity, with all the old and newly invented."

Ynkedoodl2: Regarding the anti-christ - who's words are they - they are not the Anti-Christ in the Bible nor the Anti-Christ in the Quran. Gog and Magog si where the anti-christ will spring from.

Some random opinion means nothing to people who are not fooled by fancy text and blinkey lights.

Letsbehonest (yes, let's) wrote:

There are also scenarios where execution is also allowed in Christianity and Judaism.

Where?
Where in Judaism or Christianity is it "PROSCRIBED" to kill someone that has changed their religion as the fiend Mohammad ordered his followers to do.

Letsbehonest, you have been decieved by the Fiend Mohammad, may his name and memory be erased from the earth forever. Amen.

Bukhari: Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:

“During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys.
They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.”

How did he know , did one of the monkeys inform him ?
Or did the she-monkey dare to have an opinion ?
Pre-Islamic period of ignorance , that still exists or does the Sun really set in a pool of
muddy water and is the Earth really flat ?

Ynkedoodl2: You misquote me, I never said in the Bible or Torah that it was legal to kill someone who had strayed from their religion. You obviously can't read OR quote.

Letsbehonest

They are my words, compiled by several different prophecies.

Here's more (with authors cited):

Winston Churchill, wrote in 1899,
“The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism”.

John Quincy Adams wrote in 1829,
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force".

ISLAM=THE BEAST (READ this one:)

John Wesley (1703-91) wrote,
"Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it...have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind".

aladdinsane57: You obviously have no knowledge of the Quran.

Quran: Thereafter we have made the earth egg shaped

Sir frances drake was the first person to prove that the world was not flat in 1597

The word used is in the Quran is duyah which is derived from dahaha and means an egg, specifically an ostritch egg, which is geosperical just as the earth is geosperical, slightly pressed at the poles
.
Quran: Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day And He merges Day into Night

This shows the earth recieved light gradually, not instantly, as it would if the earth was flat.

Remember the Quran came out 1000 years before Sir Frances Drake :p

"There are also scenarios where execution is also allowed in Christianity and Judaism."

Posted by: letsbehonest at December 29, 2006 03:14 PM

=========

Oh, yeah? Where?????

Winston Churchill,

Was he not the man who helped invade India and stole their land? Who invaded Arabic and stole their land for the "New" Jerusalem. Bias opinion of tyrants is hopeless, I rather fact.

Ynkedoodl2: Go read it.

"anti-Semitic Catholic"

SO WHAT? I'm a Jesus Person - but totally against any religion.

Here's one evidence - never mind about accepting Jesus - that's to be expected - but read the verses:

http://www.talmudlies.com/
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

letsbehonest...

Other verses in the Qur'an stated that earth is flat using other words. All of these words are interpreted as "flat" and none of them has been interpreted as round.

We read in Sura 96:6 (Ash'shams): "Wal'ardu wa ma ta'haha".
The word "Tahaha" is interpreted in Tafsir Al-Jalalein as "He made it flat". In Munjid Al-lugha Wal'alam, the word "Taha" is also interpreted as "to flatten or to stretch". Then, the noun "At'taha" is interpreted as "a flat part of the earth". Then, Al-Munjid gives a sentence as an example to confirm the meaning of "taha" as "to make a certain thing flat".

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/earth_flat.html

more...

The Earth is flat and mountains are pegs

The Quran

· Earth spread out (like a carpet), mountains firm…15:19

[al-Hijr 15:19] And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

· God made earth like a carpet spread out…20:53

http://humanists.net/avijit/article/flat_earth_kasem.htm

aladdinsane57: The word here is used to describe the land of the earth, not the body mass itself. IE, the ground on which we walk was stretched out.

You need to read things in context, and learn Arabic :p

Letsbehonest:

Go read what? I've read the Bible and I've also read the Koran which Mohammad (rascal of allah) stole off the Jews and corrupted. I've read the Bible in Hebrew and Arabic and the Koran in Arabic. By the way, the Koran is the worst book I ever read in my life, even worse than Mein Kampf.

Here's what German scholar Salomon Reinach thought: "From the literary point of view, the Koran has little merit. Declamation, repetition, puerility, a lack of logic and coherence strike the unprepared reader at every turn. It is humiliating to the human intellect to think that this mediocre literature has been the subject of innumerable commentaries, and that millions of men are still wasting time absorbing it."

Early Indian lore said the Earth was a sphere.
http://www.nescb.org/epublications/october2000/septeditorial.html

Carolyn2: Perhaps they read the Quran :-D

Carolyn2: Perhaps they read the Quran :-D

The fact that it is described perfectly, ie, geospherical like an ostrich egg is quite a feat for someone who would not have had Nasa.

letsbehonest...

aladdinsane57: The word here is used to describe the land of the earth, not the body mass itself. IE, the ground on which we walk was stretched out.

You need to read things in context, and learn Arabic :p

Ah the reliable get out of jail "out of context"
excuse.

I referenced the above link to show that islam wasn't the only belief system that claimed the Earth was roundish. It was a widely held idea among civilizations.
/no cookie
:

30 or so comments by a single poster in a single thread is too much.

"30 or so comments by a single poster in a single thread is too much."

let's move to another thread...

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST:

Yesterday, I came across the following exchange of comments at www.inshallahshaheed.wordpress.com:

A poster wrote in:

"None of us (kafireen, as you call them) are confused about the terrorists being true Muslims. Indeed, Islam is a religion of terror, as the posters above have pointed out. I guess this is why 3 Christian girls in Indonesia were beheaded by Muslims who were trying to do a service for Allah. Were these Muslims ‘resistance fighters’? I think not. We are accused of violating God’s law and therefore need to be terrorized. How do you reconcile terrorism with the sixth commandment (God’s Law)? Since the Qur’an affirms the Scriptures as divinely inspired?

And the Jihadi Creep wrote back:

So how do you know that those three girls weren’t part of the army or saying things against Islam or insulting the Religion of Islam? Islam is not just a Religion, mind you, it is a complete System and even much more than a mere government that we are ordered to live under and establish in a concrete manner.

All about Alexander the Great ( the muslim one )
and the setting sun,a hilarious read...

http://www.muslimhope.com/ZulQarnain.htm

"Actually, Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion, it is also the wests fastest growing religion,"

It really isn't, because it dosen't take into acct the islamics that re leaving it quietly.

And the great many Tribal Peoples who are polytheists, in other words, those who believe that God is in everything, animal, mineral or plant, etc.

And the stat doesn't take into acct the great many that have left a formal religion but still believe in a Higher Power.

Not to mention the Atheists, that could be incld.

"allat what you said is wrong sure there has been violence in religions but Athiest idealogy has also caused blood shed look at stalin for example he was a atheist who killed 20 million christians and mao killed millions..."

Ok, Hobbit - yes, that is truth.

So, then EVERYBODY is in the stew.

I would saw then that it boils down to a Battle between the Dark Riders and the "common" people like RS and us.

It's always been tht way.

Posted by: letsbehonest [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 29, 2006 03:37 PM :

"Was he (Winston Churchill) not the man who helped invade India and stole their land? Who invaded Arabic and stole their land for the "New" Jerusalem.

Hey, Let's Be Honest, Shall We?

Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam!

Letsbehonest, are you a liar or just an ignoramus???

ebonystone: "The Avicenna Code (Ibn Sina).

Sounds greeaat. So go to it, guy!

"letsbehonest" is even more of a misnomer than err "payingattention"

Ok we have had 212 replies so far on this issue? How many on here will actually write to the government officials. It's so easy to complain here or what ever website bit think about it, people could make a difference, it could be about your local council tax or what ever but in reality making your self hear on there forum websites means nothing. This is what the religious groups do and sometimes they win that is why people lose. If one feels strongly about this or what ever subject then write a letter and explain in detail. It's actually a waste of time writing here with a passion if you can do it for real and sensibly.

The fastest growing religon is NOT Islam. The Letsbehonest fella -

http://www.adherents.com/adh_faq.html#fa...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fastest_gro...

I think you want to belive that as all Muslims trying to make us believe it.

Letsbehonest --

Maybe it's time to change your username to Cantbehonest.

You present yourself as some kind of "religious expert", and yet you lie about the oppression of women in Islam. You are the one who's making a fool of himself because everyone KNOWS how Islam views/treats women.

I thought I'd stop with the stoning of the monkeys and the (what was it?) the she-monkey? But, no, I read on to get to the part about the knats bein' sent out (hammerin' some "brain") -- at this point, I'm rolling on the floor laughing!! It's just too hilarious!!

Who in the hell believes this stuff?? Oh, I remember, it's those followers of the RoP!!

Allow me to collect myself -- OK, Mr. Mo has about as much verisimilitude as that buraq (another mythical creation) from the non-stop fabricators / liars dedicated to Paul Bunyan stories. It all reminds me of the Blue Ox named Babe.

My G-d, and to think that people (by the millions) have died for this crap?? The stupidity of some humans (namely, the followers of said RoP) never ceases to amaze me.

letsbehonest.

I am not ded, but life under islam is not life, I like to speak out aand be honest about tyranny.

As you quoted before, islam is fast growing.

Yes, I can see it grows because of deluders like you (all the contrary of honest), who are unable to see a danger even if it isn front of your eyes. Your view of islam is stuppidly and stubbornly rosy. You're the kind of moron who'd be in front of a growling wolf and pretend it's a friendly puppy.

Action is needed against Islam at this stage not words, especially your poisonous soothing misleading sticky twisted sophistry.

So because we once were like that we can never have a Moral highground? like i said we evolved, Islam isn't and won't.
It's about moving forward and aducating ourselves and EVOLVING as a culture. . . .

Posted by: Concerned Canadian

Ah, but evolution can go in any direction, up, down, or sideways. A hundred years ago we had locally-controlled schools which largely educated students thru the 8th grade, and left most of them literate and prepared for a life as informed and productive citizens. Now we have federally-controlled schools spending umpteen times as much money (in real $) graduating 12th-graders who are barely literate, and don't know what Congress is, altho they do know how to put on a condom properly. A hundred years ago, girls were taught that sex is a very serious business, best left until marriage, and only about 5% of births were outside of marriage. Now we teach girls that sex is just an enjoyable pastime, and 1/3 of births are outside of marriage; and we have over a million abortions/year. A hundred years ago much of the U.S. had Jim Crow laws that discriminated against 1/6 of the population in favor of 5/6. Now we have "affirmative action" laws that discriminate against 5/6 in favor of 1/6. Yes, we've evoleved all right, but in which direction?

Islam has to be violent. In the free market of ideas and philosophical thought, Islam has
no 'buying' power whatsoever. The ideology of Islam is so full of proven insanity, that the
only way Islam can gain adherents is through birth-rate and fear.

Islam cannot compete with ANY other ideology -- it can only resort to violence, intimidation, fear, torture, murder, destruction, lies, etc. in order to gain adherents and then to keep them from asking questions.

Islam is the weakest ideology in the history of mankind. Islam cannot persuade intellectually; islam cannot influence through peerlessness of thought, logic, nobility, or selflessness and kindness of deeds. The very source of Islam (Koran) contains nothing noble or redeeming in it whatsoever. What is left? Only the brooding, violent darkness of a despicable ideology demanding by temper-tantrum and deeds of darkness what it cannot attain by virtue and wholesomeness. This is Islam. It is the Devil's own ideology.