"On the surface, there is a cease-fire..., but underground they keep building tunnels."

It's not a ceasefire its a HUDNA. A period of up to 10 year that Muslims use to strengthen their forces before returning to their real agenda for World Domination.Forget the Zionist Conspiracy this is for real, it's written all over the Koran.

Still it makes deluded idiots like Tony "ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PIECES" mainly Mutilated body parts Blair feel good about themselves.

raz,
Tony Blair is wandering around the Middle East looking for some sort of consensus because the current US administration is incapable of applying its own political credibility / will to the problem. You and the rest of the posters that declare Islam to be the religion of war, do not have any effective strategy for dealing with the 1.2 billion worldwide Muslims. I agree, kill all those that would kill us...I agree, deport all those that promote treason...I agree, re-phrase the ideological argument to recognize the inherently violent nature of Islam.....but then what? If someone put forward a 50 year plan that would reduce the number of worldwide Muslims (forced allowance of apostasy, banning of Islam in the EU and US, forced re-education of the life of Mohammed, cut-off of oil money through development of alternative fuels etc), you all might be worth listening to...but nobody has.

Cease fire, schmease fire--what a bunch of baloney--there will never be a real peace over there until the Messiah brings it--AKA "the Prince of Peace." And between here and there--there is still whole lot of of lies and hell to go--and we've just scratched the surface of that hell.

Aren't you amazed at the huge percentage of the west who wants to believe the "peace in our time" line? These are the same people who gave Arafat the Noble peace prize! Like little 60's boneheads they are chanting "kumbaya" and "all we are saying.... is give peace a chance" Oy. Yep, this is the same crowd who thinks we can bring peace to Iraq by our being there--or by leaving. As if you can make the religion of pieces peaceful.....wake up man.

I would be blasting Muslim countries with rock and roll, disco, opera, country and western, blue grass, hip hop, heavy metal, and alternative music 24/7. Next I would flood the air waves with tv with a variety of shows such as Sex in the City, 90210, Beavis and Butthead, cartoons of all nature, Flava Flav, Sanford and Son, Sgt Preston of the Yukon, CSI MIami, MTV, Mad Tv, Bennie Hill, and just about everything else. I would then have a couple of channels broadcasting world news live time and 24/7.
Next I would jam the signals of Muslim state run radio and Tv, only my signals would be on the air waves. Al-Jezeera would be hard to receive.
The Iranian people are already angry as the Government is confiscating all satellite dishes and is limiting the number of radios and tvs, the people currently receive blah blah blah Cleric hate. Other Islamic countries also try to monitor what information the people receive on the tv and radio airwaves.
On of the problems with the Muslim world is that they have been sheltered by the Muslim curtain which is stronger than the Iron Curtain once standing in Europe. The curtain needs to be opened , forcibly if needed.
I think the young people who see the world has more to offer than burkas and bombs might begin to question all they have been taught.
To reduce the number of worldwide Muslims you would have to outlaw the Koran,close the mosques, ban Muslim Immigration, and destroy all who fight in the name of Islam. Political correctness would have to be discarded. The military would be allowed to do what it is trained to do. There could be no room for politeness.
You should get into the minds of the young people and force them to question their teaching of the thug and pedophile Mo.
You should immediately discontinue the practice of bringing Islam into your schools as is being done now in most US schools.
You should discontine the deliverance of foreign aid to any country in which terrorism is supported and violence perpetuated. You should immediately cease the delivery of any type of defensive and offensive weapons systems to any non certifiable ally. You should remove any military personell in these countries and allow such countries to sink or swim on there own merits, If the "bad guys" ultimately take over and further ruin the country and continue to pose threats, well then, their annihalation would be forthcoming , political correctness put aside and this would be an immediate action, no sanctions, no UN monitoring, no resolutions, no negotiations, no appeasement, no retreat, and if "collaterial damage occurs", so be it. Much of this could be done without putting one pair of boots worn by honorable men on the ground.
For those inclined to create uprisings and revolt on the home front, they should be considered the enemy in a time of war and treated as such.
Time to get tough folks.

Moslems are digging tunnels below...

They're always tunneling somewhere along the line, burrowing in, insinuating themselves into our civilization, taking and not giving, angry diggers who never quit clawing at us in every possible way, dirt on their hands and filth in their minds, every one of them carrying a portable theocracy in their skulls, pushy Moslems, no good has ever come from then and none will.

... but then what?

Aside from Moslem takeover, a not unlikely prospect, there are only two other ways out:

1) Deprogramming, whereby Islam is a high felony and is ruthlessly suppress the cancer wherever it manifests itself; deprogramming classes, even to include bio aversion treatment, to put a stop to it.

2) Slaughter on a scale never before imagined.

There are no other paths that I can see.

"Israel says anti-tank missiles, tons of explosives and thousands of rifles have reached Gaza in the past year. Palestinian militants say they have already imported longer-range Katyusha rockets..."
-- from the article above

But how can all this be afforded, in the "catastrophic" situation caused by those "crippling economic sanctions"? And how can all those members of a dozen different "security services" somehow manage, to judge by the photographs,keep so many people so well-fed and well-clothed, so much better fed and clothed than any other Arabs outside the oil states? And apparently without anyone rushing off to work each day?

Yes, Hugh. Isn't it amazing that there's been no money for months to pay civil servants (presumably most of whom are Fatah loyalists), and it's business as usual for the "starving refugees" just like it was under Arafat, but there's lots of money to pay militias (no, Virginia, they're not unpaid volunteers) and arm them and lots of money to construct tunnels and buy armaments.

The truth is that European countries are still sending aid to the PA through "back channels" and Hamas representatives are playing one side against the other as they go from oil producing country to oil producing country to pass the hat. All in all, Hamas has collected nearly twice as much "alms" in the last few months as they would have collected before the embargo against supporting the Hamas-led PA until they agree to recognize Israel.

As for Hudna -- hell, they can't even arrange a ceasefire between "Palestinian factions" let alone between Palestine and Israeli targets.

But the usual suspects tell us that all of this dysfunction is all because of Israel's presence on lands captured after 1967, and not because of decades of being told that they will only regain their honour by expunging every vestige of a non-Islamic presence from "holy Muslim wafq".

To protectalbion:

I appreciate your point and hear your frustration. The first step, especially on JW/DW is education and awareness. We can worry about what course of action to follow 10-25 years from now ubt for right now, we must continue to educate and promote awareness.

The number of blissfully and willingly ignorant people is still too high for any aggressive course of action you may suggest. Our own politicians are still ignorant and too politically correct to formulate and enact a strategy for victory.

I believe you forgot one more point towards victory: DESTROY THE LEFT!

Anyways, keep spreading the word and we will get there.

As for Hudna -- hell, they can't even arrange a ceasefire between "Palestinian factions" let alone between Palestine and Israeli targets.

TRUE TRUE:

In fact, in almost every Muslim country there is ongoing interfactional infighting. Perhaps we should be doing more to encourage such self destruction.
The Muslim desire for power is so strong they will kill each other to get it. Only the most ruthless Muslims leaders survive. Muslims understand death and freely deal it out , even amongst themselves.

Off the topic, but am I the 6,000,000 hit yet? and is there a prize??/

The tunnel situation is just like Muslim politics, What you see on the top is not what is underneath.

Moslems are digging tunnels below...
l guess all that inbreeding, brothers raping sister, causing them to act like rats.
talk about them being well fed, l have neve such fat Arab coming from Gaza, and they complain about not having enoug money.

I'll just say for now that I wish these people the absolute worst in life because they are the world's biggest losers and deserve nothing less. I will never understand exactly why God afflicted the world with these wretched palestinians for they contribute absolutely nothing but misery to the world. Let Israel utterly smash them.

If someone put forward a 50 year plan that would reduce the number of worldwide Muslims (forced allowance of apostasy, banning of Islam in the EU and US, forced re-education of the life of Mohammed, cut-off of oil money through development of alternative fuels etc), you all might be worth listening to...but nobody has.
Posted by: protectalbion at December 19, 2006 06:05 AM

Your frustration is obvious and quite understandable. Unfortunately this is a long war. We can only educate people at this point. In a true democracy, policy is supposed to come from the unsilent majority. The unsilent majority is still quite oblivious to the truths professed here on JW/DW.

If you aren't getting results as fast as you expect, or future success seems intangible and not worth the effort, you can always put on your Dhimmi belt and go back to sleep.

Hell, I've been asking the IT department at work to install an "obliterate Islam" button on my PC for awhile now. So far, my request has gone unheeded.

Ratistinians? Molestinians(more than one definition here!)? These idiots are sounding like rats and moles with all this tunneling business. Perhaps it's time to rename them. Ironic how they're behaving like two animals not liked by most people. This must be the way they build their glorious nation that they keep whining about.

awwwwww those poor palastinians how can they afford all the weapons?
Let me give it a try. how about all those donations boxes in all mosques all over the muslim world asking for charity for their long suffering pal brothers? how about all the muslim nations helping out pals? how about europe and usa sending in their blank welfare checks to pals? how about all the illegal smuggling and illegal selling of illegal goods by these pals?
No wonder pals can afford to buy all the weapons while popping out unlimited numbers of children while sitting around thinking up new ways to create havoc!

NEW NAME? How about sons of Satan.

Once the tunnels are discovered can some booby-traps or land mines be placed inside? or how about some chemical agent that would really mess up someones day if they came into contact with the tunnels. How about we throw in a bunch of Arizona western diamondbacks and then seal off the tunnel.

How about we pump colored smoke into the tunnel , then bomb the area where the smoke reappears. Political correctness be put aside. Civilians living in the areas of the entrances know well whats going on.

I remember the VietCong were good at booby-trapping tunnels. I am sure we learned a little from them.

Treat them exactly like moles-gas them right in the tunnels.

"On the surface, there is a cease-fire..., but underground they keep building tunnels."

Very characteristic for Muslims to undermine societes as a whole.

But how can all this be afforded, in the "catastrophic" situation caused by those "crippling economic sanctions"? And how can all those members of a dozen different "security services" somehow manage, to judge by the photographs,keep so many people so well-fed and well-clothed, so much better fed and clothed than any other Arabs outside the oil states? And apparently without anyone rushing off to work each day?

--maybe a little bit of Godaddy and Tsunami funds--
Muslim wins $390,000 in Go Daddy bias case

Jane Larson
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 19, 2006 12:00 AM

Go Daddy Group Inc. wrongfully terminated a Muslim employee from Morocco for complaining of discrimination and must pay the man $390,000 in damages, a federal jury decided.

The U.S. District Court jury did side with the Scottsdale-based registrar of Internet domain names on five other counts in the lawsuit filed by the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

In agreeing with the company, jurors concluded that Go Daddy did not terminate Youssef Bouamama because of religion or national origin. They also agreed that Go Daddy decided not to promote him for other reasons, not because of his religion or national origin or because of his discrimination complaints. ...

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/1219biz-godaddy1219.html

... of course the tsunami donations ...
http://civoc.com/society/?p=39

...and sort like this ...
Does that require any work?

… but am I the 6,000,000 hit yet? and is there a prize??

As winner of the 6 Millionth Man context, you will flown by Emeriates Air to glamorous Islamabad, Pakistan. After viewing the sights in the capital, you will be whisked via low-flying helipcopter to Lahore to also enjoy the squalor and human misery there. From Lahore, the chopper will take you to Kandahar Afghanistan, but not before a stopover at the world’s newest nation, the Emirate of North Wazirstan, where you will be met at the Peshawar Int’l Airport by Emir Osama bin Laden himself. Once in Kandahar, you will join a squad of Army Rangers on patrol in the Tora Bora area, where tribesmen will shoot their AK-47s at you. If you survive, next a quick jump by helicopter (if you evade the Stinger missiles fired at you, to Grozny, Chechnya, where you will enjoy the visiting the world’s most violent white people who, after all, hail from the Caucusus. The Chechen Republic stop includes a side trip to West Ossetia, where you may or may not be involved in a mass murder of terrifed first graders. After Grozny, where else?, you will be whisked into Mecca where, disguised as an Arab, you will cirumambulate the Kaaba counterclockwise 7 times, and what an honor that will be, to be a tourist at the ultimate tourist trap originally owned by Mohammed’s uncle, who may or may not have sexually abused Mohammed when he arrived at his door, abandoned, as a young boy. Finally, the end point of your Pan-Islam trip will be to the Gaza Strip, where you will be involved in protests against America and all Jews everywhere... the tab for which is paid by EUrabia and the USA.

Enjoy.

"That’s right, into the hands of islamic extremists.
Disaster donations help Islamic vigilante force impose punishments on women."

The next time there is a natural disaster in a Muslim country, I'm keeping my donations to myself. I don't understand why the women in these places don't just rise up and kill all of the men in the village.

Alarmed Pig Farmer-

No tour of the newest Islamic utopia known as Somalia? And what of Iran? I'd want to be personally Ahmadinejadamnized by the Supreme Simian himself. If this isn't part of the package then I'm not interested!

I'm surprised this would be news to anyone...sinceI can remember (decades), the only reason a ceasefire is agreed to by the islamists (other than the fact that it they only agree to it when they're getting their asses handed to them, like last July, contrary to the por-islamist press worldwide) is so they can regroup, rebuild and reload... nothing else.

exsgtbrown: "Once the tunnels are discovered can some booby-traps or land mines be placed inside? or how about some chemical agent that would really mess up someones day if they came into contact with the tunnels. ...How about we pump colored smoke into the tunnel , then bomb the area where the smoke reappears. Political correctness be put aside. Civilians living in the areas of the entrances know well whats going on. I remember the VietCong were good at booby-trapping tunnels. I am sure we learned a little from them."

Enough said. I really don't have anything substantive to add.

Well...we COULD...but too much chance of it ending up in the water table affecting others...not worth chancing that.

Yes...we "warpigs" do have a conscience, lol.

Actually, we could leave SPAM as a calling card, but too many feelgooder PCers are directing operations & won't allow it. !@#$%^&* lol

Actually - take back the chemical agent part of it. That is not justified. But what does international law say about what a country can legitimately do when people are digging tunnels and smuggling weapons (along with an official charter which amounts to a declaration of war) near one's borders when their intentions are clear? Flood the tunnels? Set off some technology within one's own borders which would cause the collapse of those tunnels? Why is Israel alone forever expected to put up with such proximate dangers to its citizens? What does international law permit in such a case? It would seem at the very least that as soon as rockets fire from Gaza into Israel, the Israeli's ought to be justified by international law in considering that an act of war and crushing the Pali's in Gaza any way they can (including expelling them from Gaza altogether). But again, what does international law say about that? Good Lord, Israel is only like 85 miles wide. I could drive that distance in 90 minutes. It's not like we're talking about people digging tunnels and amassing weapons on the southern border of the United States. What is Israel's right to take any pre-emptive action (or why would any action they take even be considered pre-emptive at all, after all the rockets that have been fired into Israel from Gaza) according to international law?

as per international law? Kill them.

But it seems international law sems to only be invoked when the west are labelled as perps.

But as for people digging tunnels and amassing weapons on OUR southern border...ummm, actually that is also true, and smuggling them into the US as well by allies of the islamofascists...but that's another forum entirely.
( http://www.aztlan.net http://www.aztlanrising.net like I said, that's another forum )

Your frustration is shared by just about everyone here...including me. Give it time, eventually that "rope" of sorts, stretched to the limit, will break...and enough people will say enough of this BS PC crap...and all bets are off.

jcom972: "Your frustration is shared by just about everyone here...including me. Give it time, eventually that "rope" of sorts, stretched to the limit, will break...and enough people will say enough of this BS PC crap...and all bets are off."

Well I naively thought that "rope" would be broken soon after the Israeli's left Gaza and that all objective people would be able to see what was really going on. But now I'm not so sure. It seems that for every person who gets it, 3 or 4 additional people don't. At this point I suppose that the best thing Israel can do is to continue to seal off the border, provide no financial help whatsoever, (including medical help, as they have so consistently and generously done before) and let the Tao take over.

I've posted it several time before but I'll do so again:

Tao Te Ching, chapter 36:

"If you want to shrink something,
you must first allow it to expand.
If you want to get rid of something,
you must first allow it to flourish.
... This is called the subtle perception
of the way things are."....

This ancient prescription of wisdom can only work in a closed system. The whole world is watching it happen now. Basically what they're watching is the effects of pure hate being allowed to expand in a closed system. It's hard to watch - there's no doubt about that. But if anyone seriously cares about curing hate, they need to let hate expand within this closed system until the system implodes from within.

That said, Israel needs in the meantime to do everything it can to insure that this remains a closed system and has no potential to impact Israel outside this closed system.

That is what is called "tough love". The world could use a whole lot more of it right now.

I concur completely, Carolyn...
btw, you're anything but "naive"...merely increasingly impatient, as I am.

Just a little more patience...though some take longer than others, every fruit ripens in its own time. When that happens, few will be louder than I, saying "IT'S ABOUT D!@#$%^&*D TIME!!!"

;-)

It will eventually have to come to this:

http://www.vdare.com/locke/palestinian_problem.htm

And seeing as how the Arab states already did this to their Jews and that Palestinian Muslims are doing this very thing to their Christians as we speak (squeezing them out), the Pali's can hardly complain.