Spencer nominated for Anti-Idiotarian of the Year 2006

I voted for you Robert...Because you do belong on the list.I gave my family your books and turned around quite a few of them,including my wife's 85 year old uncle.Like it or not you are a hero.God bless and thank you!

Well, I know that you don't feel worthy of the praise, but I'm going to vote for you anyway!

Cheers,
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Of course you belong there, Robert. Actually you should get a lifetime achievement award.

Respectfully,
the poetess

Indeed you DO deserve to be on the list, Robert; and I voted for you as well. Although you're not in the lead, you are currently in a very respectable 5th place--even ahead of the Pope!

Thank you Robert, Hugh, Marisol and the rest of JihadWatch for your untiring efforts to enlighten and inform.

Mr. Spencer,

You certainly are worthy of being on that list. I, for one, intend to vote for you.

Give them fish and loaves so they may eat today, or teach them how to fish and till so that they may eat today and in the future?

Looking at the LGF ballot, Spencer most fulfills the second way, which is the only way.

"I don't really belong on this list -- all the other candidates are worthier than I am,..."

You're much to humble R.S., in terms of doing the research into Islam and educating people about it, you do belong on the list. We may not agree on everything but I, along with so many others, have a deep respect for the work you do. And there are not enough of you who are doing that work in my estimation.

Bolton works for a Dhimmi administration that is consigning us to perfidy. Bolton has done nothing to unmask the UN for the agressor fraud that it is.

Pope B16 went to Turkey able to seize an historic opportunity, created by his office not him, choked, and sqandered it in gutless fashion.

Neither man deserves to be on the list. Is the LGF poll about name recognition or what?

You have my vote as well. Your writings have just enough info to be educational without excess verbicosity so as not to be boring. I would have to agree with the "poetess". that a lifetime achievement award is deserved.

Mr. Spencer, you sir, through this site, opened my eyes for the first time in 2004 and (together with Hugh Fitzgerald) continue to educate the masses with your daily updates, books, HotAir video diary, and various personal appearances.

At great risk, you expose the threat we face through established verifiable sources dating back to this belief systems origins.

By breaking the language barrier you invite all, believer and infidel, to seek honest uninhibited intellectual debate as well as a humane resolution to this devastating and ultimately destructive force.

I pray daily for your continued success, safety and well being . . .and yes, I, too, strongly feel you are a valid contender .

I cast my vote for Robert Spencer.

You have my vote, Robert.

Articulate, brave, courteous, discerning, erudite... the list goes on.

You've got my vote Robert, and yes, your name does belong on that list.

Robert,
you DO belong on the list!

I don't think you or Hugh or Marisol have any idea just how much good you are doing.

This whole website is doing more for the war on terror than any government because it understands that we are fighting an ideology as well as some pretty vile and disgusting people who see death and domination as the only solution to the world's problems!

You are spreading the word.You are educationg us, as indeed are many posters.(I have learned so much from all of you - thanks!)

The visitor meter goes up by almost 100,000 per day, there are always new posters - it gives me hope.

Chalk another vote up for Robert from me. Sir, your humility is obvious, but quite unnecessary. You DO belong on that list.

They write books, you write books. Your latest scared the hell out of Pakistan so badly that they felt compelled to ban it.

Kudos to you, sir, and thanks for the awakening you have given me and countless others.

Don't belong on the list? Let's see... Which of these people is likely to have done something this year that will have a positive effect over the coming ears?

One thing we're looking for is a book that has an effect similar to that of The Jungle by Upton Sinclair, a book that will ignite a debate and even legal action. Of the brave and stalwart souls on that list (and despite my love for Wafa Sultan), I think that Mark Steyn and Robert Spencer are the most likely to have published such a book, this year.

Mark Steyn's work seems to be getting the greater traction; focuses on the demographic issue, which isn't going away; and does not talk about a subject that many people (who are relatively uninterested in the effect of ideas) will not read: the Islamic perception of Mohammed.

But will Steyn's book become dated while Robert's remains current well beyond our stay on planet Earth?

And isn't jihadwatch.org itself gaining traction, more and more, as folks begin to ask, "What's wrong with Islam itself, that its adherents cannot thrive and are forever causing sadness to others?"

And what if Robert's last essay on Frontpage causes some to say, "Why is the mass media going after Congressman Goode?" That is, what if Muslim immigration is seen as the negative it is?

Robert is an appropriate choice, even beyond our respect for what he's done for the anti-jihad movement and even beyond our pleasure at the good humor of his presentation.

As I have said before, Robert is a teacher.It's easy to throw barbs or insult Islam,much harder to teach and warn about the danger of Islam.Robert does both with style.

By the way, Diana West's 22nd December article (which may have been on jihadwatch) is of general interest:

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/dwest.htm

Congratulations Robert! You definitely belong on this list and I have learned so much from Jihad Watch. I'm purchasing one of your books for a close friend who wants to learn more about Islam. I hope I'm able to find one at Borders or Barnes & Noble, but if not, I will raise hell at the store and go to Amazon.

I have not commented here for some time, as my views have been amply - and ably - stated by other posters. I break my silence to add my voice to express emphatic agreement, however, with those who believe that Robert Spencer should be the winner of this event; my vote has been cast accordingly. I wish to add that the intrepid blogger Debbie Schlussel should have been on the slate as well, although I still would have voted for Robert who, along with Hugh Fitzgerald, has done more to clarify the enemy ideology we are fighting than anyone else has. Would that more people in authority would listen. Would that they would learn.

americaningermany, where have you been?
Sorry that was OT but hadn't seen you post in a while. Glad to see you back.

Robert: You are in august company and it is well deserved. True, you are only one man but consider the principle: "Pay It Forward"

Also, thanks to Hugh and Marisol as well. Your efforts are well appreciated. Because of you, this website has really given me a broader understanding of the jihad.

Hi, Robert, you not only belong on the list, you deserve to win, perhaps in a dead heat with Wafa and Benedict.

Having voted for Harper's Conservatives in the last election, I'll say that I don't believe he is an idiot himself, and I'll say that he's doing pretty well on this issue for one who is not particularly well informed (in particular he's doing better than W, and with less raw information to work with), I don't think I'd put him in the same class as you guys.

The U.S. and Canada both have their share of idiot dhimmi-types, so there's plenty of anti-idiotarian work to go around, so let's not quibble. I travelled to the U.S. to work for a while a few years back; apparently by doing so I temporarily increased the average IQ of BOTH countries.

:-)

In any case, you've got my vote.

americaningermany

Does this help? Some info on Casulaties

http://civilians.info/iraq/

And this AIG:

Sorry I don't have the url. Someone sent it to me in an email. I think it is by an Israeli blogger.
However it is a good piece to keep on hand when people thing westerners constantly kill muslims.
Cheers
Gramfan
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"A summary:

Number of Arabs killed in the framework of Israeli-Arab conflicts since the creation of Israel (including in the 1948 war for Israel's independence, all the wars fought between Israel and its neighbors, and the occupation of Palestinians): 60,000.

Number of Algerian Muslims killed by the French in the 1950's Algerian war for Independence: Between 500,000 to 1 million.

Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in the 1990's Algerian civil war: 100,000.

Number of people, including some Muslims, killed by Muslims in Sudan between 1955 and today: 2.6 million- 3 million.

Number of Muslims killed by the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980's: at least 1 million

Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in the Afghan civil war of the 1980's-90's: 1 million

Number of Muslims killed by the Americans in efforts to overthrow the Taliban: less than 10,000.

Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims since 1977 in Somalia's civil war: Between 400,000- 550,000.

Number of Muslims in Bangladesh killed by other Muslims from Pakistan since 1977: 1.4 million-2 million

Number of Muslims killed by other Muslims in Indonesia since 1965: at least 400,000.

Number of Muslims in East Timor killed between 1975-1999 by Muslims from Indonesia: 100,000 - 200,000

Number of Muslims killed in Iraq by other Muslims (mostly those in the regime of Saddam Hussein): 1.54 million- 2 million

Number of Iranian Muslims killed in their war with Iraq: 450,000 - 970,000

Number of Lebanese killed by Israelis between 1975-1990: up to 18,000 (this number is included in the first statistic given several lines up, about Arab deaths at Israel's hands)

Number of Lebanese killed by other Lebanese or by Syrians between 1975-1990: at least 112,000.

Number of Yemenites, Egyptians, and Saudis killed in the Yemen civil war of 1962, and in the Yemen riots of 1984-1986: 100,000 - 150,000

Number of Chechen Muslims killed by the Russians since 1992: 80,000- 300,000

Number of Arabs and Muslims killed in Jordan (includes at least a few thousand Palestinians), Chad, Yugoslavia, Tajikistan, Syria, Iran, Turkey, and Zanzibar in the course of smaller conflicts in the 1970's, 80's, and 90's: at least 150,000.

Summary of the summary:

The next time Arabs and/or Muslims complain about the persecution they suffer at the hands of the Americans and Israelis, remember this . . .
Since 1948, the number of Muslims killed by the Americans and Israelis combined is still less than the number killed by the French. And the number of Muslims killed by the French, Israelis, and Americans combined is still less than the number killed by the Soviets/Russians. And the number of Muslims killed by the Soviets, Russians, French, Israelis, and Americans, combined, is still about 1/3 of the number of Muslims who have been killed by Muslim states.

I don't mean to minimize anyone's suffering, and as an Israeli I'm interested in continuing to pressure Israel to keep Arab casualties at a minimum while still protecting Israelis. But if the goal is to save lives, then to focus one's pressure on the deeds or misdeeds of Israel is to apply an incredible, ridiculous double standard, one clearly motivated by anti-Semitism and nothing more. If the goal is to spare Muslim lives, then the Muslims could start with themselves, and come back to us when they value each other. (Oh, and when they themselves don't think anymore that 1,000 of them is worth 2 of us.)"

AIG:

Well, at the very least, glad to know you are alive and well.

I couldn't agree more with your assessment and action plan. It does appear dire as it did in the late 1930's for those who had their eyes open to the threat. We survived. Barely. But we survived. Of course, reading Dhimmi Balir's comments today on DW, i am less confident.

In any event, I think the Moslems rely on us to lose our resolve and roll over. It is something we can never do. We owe it to the generation(s) who will inherit this mess.

Look at Robert. I am sure he has wanted to pack it in on more than one occassion and lead a normal life free of death threats.

I have always maintained this website should have a section about what each person can do to help fight jihad. I know education and awareness are a priority but how do we disseminate our message in an effective manner? Some people place business cards in copies of the koran in a local library. Other write politicians. Others educate friends and family.

Hang in there. We are rowing a small boat against a tidal wave of disinformation. We must try. Hang in there!

Mr. Spencer,

As others have said, and I agree, you definitely belong on that list. You are the most serious-minded analyst of Islam that I've come across and also have a great knowledge of the work others who were actually born into Islam are doing, e.g. Ibn Warraq, which helps us non-Muslims (and hope-to-never-be-Muslims and would-rather-die-than-be-Muslims!) validate our perceptions with the testimony of former "insiders". Only the most hardended of brain-dead fools can't see that Islam isn't like other religions and should at the very least be de-fanged. "To dominate and not be dominated", indeed.

americaningermany
My pleasure!
Glad to be of some help. All of you have helped me so much!

Gramfam stated:

. . .I think it is by an Israeli blogger. Summary of the summary:

The next time Arabs and/or Muslims complain about the persecution they suffer at the hands of the Americans and Israelis, remember this . . .
Since 1948, the number of Muslims killed by the Americans and Israelis combined is still less than the number killed by the French. And the number of Muslims killed by the French, Israelis, and Americans combined is still less than the number killed by the Soviets/Russians. And the number of Muslims killed by the Soviets, Russians, French, Israelis, and Americans, combined, is still about 1/3 of the number of Muslims who have been killed by Muslim states.

I don't mean to minimize anyone's suffering, and as an Israeli I'm interested in continuing to pressure Israel to keep Arab casualties at a minimum while still protecting Israelis. But if the goal is to save lives, then to focus one's pressure on the deeds or misdeeds of Israel is to apply an incredible, ridiculous double standard, one clearly motivated by anti-Semitism and nothing more. If the goal is to spare Muslim lives, then the Muslims could start with themselves, and come back to us when they value each other. (Oh, and when they themselves don't think anymore that 1,000 of them is worth 2 of us.)"

Thank you for posting that info!

I believe you are referring to an original article that appeared in the Rosh Hashanna edition of Maariv and was translated later by imshin (Not a Fish, blog)here

AND THE WORLD IS SILENT

By Ben Dror Yemini

Fact no. 1:

Since the establishment of the State of Israel a merciless genocide is being perpetrated against Muslims and/or Arabs.

Fact no. 2:

The conflict in the Middle East, between Israel and the Arabs as a whole and against the Palestinians in particular, is regarded as the central conflict in the world today.

Fact no. 3:

According to polls carried out in the European Union, Israel holds first place as “Danger to world peace”. In Holland, for instance, 74% of the population holds this view. Not Iran. Not North Korea. Israel.

Connecting between these findings creates one of the biggest deceptions of modern times: Israel is regarded as the country responsible for every calamity, misfortune and hardship. It is a danger to world peace, not just to the Arab or Muslim world.

How the deception works

The finger is pointed cleverly. It’s difficult to blame Israel for the genocide in Sudan or for the civil war in Algeria. How is it done? Dozens of publications, articles, books, periodicals and websites are dedicated to one purpose only: Turning Israel into a state that ceaselessly perpetrates war crimes. In Jakarta and in Khartoum they burn the Israeli flag, and in London, in Oslo and in Zurich hate articles are published, supporting the destruction of Israel.

Any request in Internet search engines for the words “genocide” against “Muslims”, “Arabs” or “Palestinians”, in the context of “Zionists” or “Israel” – will give us endless results. Even after we’ve filtered out the trash, we are left with millions of publications written in deadly seriousness.

This abundance brings results. It works like brainwashing. It is the accepted position, and not just a fringe opinion. Only five years ago we were witness to a international anti-Israeli show in the Durban Convention. Only two years ago we were shocked when a member of our Academia blamed Israel of ‘symbolic genocide’ against the Palestinian people. Much ado about nothing. There are thousands of publications blaming Israel of genocide, and not ‘symbolic’.

Under an academic and/or journalistic umbrella, today’s Israel is compared to the damned Germany of yesteryear. In conclusion, there are those who call to terminate the ‘Zionist project’. And in more simple words: because Israel is a country that perpetrates so many war crimes and engages in ethnic cleansing and genocide – it has no right to exist. This, for instance, is the essence of an article by the Norwegian writer Jostein Gaarder (writer of “Sophie’s world”), who wrote, among other things: “We call killers of children by their name”). The conclusion is that Israel has no right to exist.

The tragedy is that in Arab and Muslim countries a massacre is happening. A genocide protected by the silence of the world. A genocide protected by a deception that is perhaps unparalleled in the history of mankind. A genocide that has no connection to Israel, to Zionism or to Jews. A genocide of mainly Arabs and Muslims, by Arabs and Muslims.

This is not a matter of opinion or viewpoint. This is the result of factual examination, as precise as possible, of the numbers of victims of various wars and conflicts that have taken place since the establishment of the State of Israel up till this time, in which the massacre continues. It is, indeed, death on a massive scale. A massacre. It is the wiping out of villages and cities and whole populations. And the world is silent. The Muslims are indeed abandoned. They are murdered and the world is silent. And if it bothers to open its mouth, it doesn’t complain about the murderers. It doesn’t complain about the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity. It complains about Israel.

This great deception, that covers up the real facts, endures and even grows because of one reason only: The Media and Academia in the West participate in it. In endless publications, books, periodicals and websites Israel is portrayed as a state that perpetrates “war crimes”, “ethnic cleansing”, and “systematic murder”. Sometimes it is because this is fashionable, sometimes it is mistakenly, sometimes it is the result of hypocrisy and double standards. Sometimes it is new and old anti-Semitism, from the left and from the right, overt and covert. Most of the classic blood libels were refuted not long after they came into being. The blood libel of modern times, against the state of Israel, continues to grow. Many Israelis and Jews are accessories to the nurturing of the libel.

The Arab-Israeli conflict

The Zionist settling of this country, which began at the end of the 19th century, did indeed create a conflict between Jews and Arabs. The amount of those killed in various clashes up till the establishment of the State of Israel was no more than a few thousands, of both Jews and Arabs. Most of the Arabs killed in those years were killed in armed struggles of Arabs amongst themselves; such as, for example, in the days of the Great Arab Uprising of 1936 – 1939. That was a sign of things to come. Many others were killed as a result of the harsh hand wielded by the British. Israel never did anything comparable.

Israel’s War of Independence, known also as the War of 48’, left between 5,000 to 15,000 dead from among the Palestinians and citizens of Arab countries. In this war, as in any war, there were indeed atrocities. The attackers declared their goal, and if they had won, a mass extermination of Jews would have taken place. On Israel’s side there were also barbarous acts, but they were on the fringe of the fringe. Less, far less, than in any other war in modern times. Far less than what is being perpetrated every day in these very times, by Muslims, mainly against Muslims, in Sudan and in Iraq.

The next event of importance was the Sinai War of 1956. About 1,650 Egyptians were killed, about 1,000 at the hands of the Israelis and about 650 by the French and British forces.

Next came the Six Day War (1967- IJ). The highest estimates talk of 21,000 Arabs killed on all three fronts – Egypt, Syria and Jordan.

The Yom Kippur War (1973 – IJ) resulted in 8,500 Arab dead, this time on only two fronts – Egypt and Syria.

Then there were ‘smaller’ wars: The first Lebanon war, which was initially mainly against the PLO and not against Lebanon. This was a war in a war. These were the years of the bloody civil war in Lebanon, a war we will discuss further later on. And thus also in the second Lebanon war, in which about a thousand Lebanese were killed.

Thousands of Palestinians were killed during the Israeli occupation of the territories, that began at the end of the Six Day War. Most were killed during the two Intifadas, the one that commenced in 1987 and resulted in 1,800 Palestinian deaths, and the one that commenced in 2000 with a Palestinan death toll of 3,700. In between, there were more military actions that caused further Arab fatalities. If we exaggerate, we can say that these were a few hundred more who were killed. Hundreds. Not hundreds of thousands. Not millions.

The total count reaches about 60,000 Arabs killed in the framework of the Israeli-Arab conflict. Among them only several thousand Palestinians, although it is because of them, and only them, that Israel is the target of the world’s anger. Every Arab and Muslim death is regrettable. And it is okay to criticize Israel. But the obsessive and demonic criticism emphasizes a far more amazing fact: The silence of the world, or at least relative silence, in the face of the systematic extermination of millions of others by Muslim and Arab regimes.

The blood price of the Muslims

From here on we must ask:

How many Arabs and Muslims have been killed in those same years in other countries, for instance, in Russia or in France, and how many Arabs, Muslims and others, were killed in those same years by Arabs and Muslims. The information gathered here is based on various research institutes, academic bodies, international organizations (such as Amnesty and other bodies that follow human rights), the UN, and governmental agents.

In many cases the different organizations present different and contradictory numbers. The differences sometimes reach hundreds of thousands, and sometimes even millions. We will probably never know the precise number. But even the lowest agreed numbers, that are the basis for the tables given here, present a staggering and horrific picture. In addition, time is too short to survey bloody conflicts that are not even covered in these tables, although these conflicts took a higher human toll than the blood price of the whole Arab-Israeli conflict.

Algeria:
A few years after the establishment of the State of Israel, there began another war of independence. This time it was Algeria against France, between the years 1954-1962. The number of victims on the Muslim side is a subject for controversy. According to official sources in Algeria it is over a million. There are research institutes in the west that tend to accept that number. French sources have tried in the past to claim that it is only a quarter of a million Muslims, with an additional 100,000 Muslim collaborators with the French. But these estimates are regarded as tendentious and low. Today there is no question that the French killed nearly 600,000 Muslims. And these are the French, who do not stop preaching to Israel, the Israel that in the whole history of its conflict with the Arabs failed to reach even one tenth of that number, and even then, according to the more severe assessments.

The massacre in Algeria continues. In the 1991 elections the Islamic Salvation Front was voted in. The results of the elections were cancelled by the army. Since then a civil war has been raging, between the central government, supported by the army, and Islamic movements. According to various estimates, there have been about 100,000 victims so far. Most of them have been innocent civilians. In most cases it has been horrific massacres of whole villages, women, children and old people. A massacre in the name of Islam.

Algeria summary: 500,000 to 1 million in the war of independence; 100,000 in the civil war in the 90’s.

Sudan:
A country torn by campaigns of destruction, almost all of them between the Arab-Muslim north, that is control of the country, and the south, populated by blacks. Two civil wars have taken place in this country, and a massacre, under government patronage, has been taking place in recent years in the district of Darfur. The first civil war spanned the years of 1955-1972. Moderate estimates talk of 500,000 victims. In 1983 the second civil war began. But it wasn’t a civil war but a systematic massacre suitably defined as ‘genocide’. The goals were Islamization, Arabization and mass deportation, that occasionally becomes slaughter, also for the need to gain control over giant oil fields. We are talking about an estimated 1.9 million victims.

The division between Muslim and other victims is unclear. The large district of Noba, populated by many black Muslims, was served its portion of horrors. The Muslims, should they be black, are not granted any favors. Since the rise to power of radical Islam, under the spiritual guidance of Dr. Hassan Thorabi, the situation has worsened. This is probably the worst series of crimes against humanity since WWII. We’re talking about ethnic cleansing, deportations, mass murder, slave trade, forcible enforcement of the laws of Islam, taking children from their parents and more. Millions have become refugees. As far as is known, there are not millions of publications about the Sudanese ‘Right of Return’ and there are no petitions by intellectuals negating Sudan’s right to exist.

Recent years have been all about Darfur. Again Muslims (Arabs) are murdering (black) Muslims and heathens, and the numbers are unclear. Moderate estimates are talking about 200,000 victims, higher estimates say 600,000. No one knows for sure. And the slaughter continues.

Throughout the atrocities of Sudan, the slaughter has been perpetrated mainly by the Arab Muslim regime, and the great majority of victims, if not all, are black, of all religions, including Muslims.

Afghanistan:
This is a web of nonstop mass killing – domestic and external. The Soviet invasion, which began on 24th December 1979 and ended on 2nd February 1989, left about a million dead. Other estimates talk of 1.5 million dead civilians and an additional 90,000 soldiers.

After the withdrawal of the Soviet Forces, Afghanistan went through a series of civil wars and struggles between the Soviet supporters, the Mojahidin and the Taliban. Each group carried out a doctrine of mass extermination of its opponents. The sum of the fatalities in civil war, up to the invasion of the coalition forces under American leadership in 2001, is about one million.

There are those who complain, and rightly so, about the carnage that took place as a result of the coalition offensive to overthrow the Taliban regime and as part of the armed struggle against al Qaida. Well, the invasion into Afghanistan caused a relatively limited number of deaths, less than 10,000. Had it not taken place, we would have seen a continuation of the self-inflicted genocide, with an average of 100,000 fatalities a year.

Afghanistan Summary: One million to one and a half million, as a result of the Soviet invasion; about one million in the civil war.

Somalia:
Since 1977 this Muslim state in East Africa has been immersed in an unending civil war. The number of victims is estimated at about 550,000. It is Muslims killing mainly Muslims. UN attempts to intervene, in the interest of peace keeping, ended in the failure, as did later attempts by American Forces.

Most of the victims died not in the battle fields, but as a result of deliberate starvation and slaughter of civilians, in bombardments aimed at the civilian population (massive bombardments of opponent districts, such as the bombardment of Somaliland, that caused the deaths of 50,000 ).

Somalia Summary: 400,000 to 550,000 victims in the civil war.

Bangladesh:
This country aspired to gain independence from Pakistan. Pakistan reacted with a military invasion that caused mass destruction. It was not a war, it was a massacre. One to two million people were systematically liquidated in 1971. Some researchers define the events of that year in Bangladesh as one of the three greatest genocides in (history - IJ) (after the Holocaust and the Ruanda genocide).

An inquiry committee appointed by the government of Bangladesh counted 1.247 million fatalities as a result of systematic murder of civilians by Pakistan’s army forces. There are also numerous reports of ‘Death squads’, in which “Muslim soldiers were sent to execute mass killings of Muslim farmers”.

The Pakistani army ceased only after the intervention of India, which suffered from waves of refugees - millions – arriving from Bangladesh. At least 150 thousand more were murdered in acts of retaliation after the retreat of the Pakistan army.

Bangladesh summary: 1.4 million to 2 million.

Indonesia:
The biggest Muslim state in the world competes with Bangladesh for the dubious title of ‘The biggest massacre since the Holocaust’. The massacre commenced with a communist uprising in 1965. There are different assessments (of the number of fatalities - IJ) in this case as well. The accepted estimate talks of as many as 400 thousand Indonesians killed in the years 1965-1966, although stricter estimates claim the number is higher.

The massacre was perpetrated by the army, led by Hag’i Mohammed Soharto, who seized power in the country for the next 32 years. An investigator of those years points out that the person who was in charge of suppressing the rebellion, General Srv Adei, admitted: “We killed 2 million not 1 million, and we did good work”. For this argument, we will stick to the lower, more accepted estimates.

In 1975, after the end of the Portuguese rule, East Timor announced its independence. Within a short time it was invaded by Indonesia, who ruled the area until 1999. During these years about 100,000 to 200,000 people were killed, along with the complete destruction of infrastructure.

Indonesia summary: 400,000 killed, with an additional 100,000 to 200,000 in East Timor.

Iraq:
Most of the destruction of the last two decades was the doing of Saddam Hussein. This is another case of a regime that caused the deaths of millions. Nonstop death. One of the highpoints was during the Iran-Iraq war, in the conflict over the Shat El Arab River, the river that is created by the convergence of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. This was a conflict that led to nothing but large scale destruction and mass killing. Estimates are between 450,000 and 650,000 Iraqis, and between 450,000 and 970,000 Iranians. Jews, Israelis, and Zionists were not around, as far as is known.

Waves of purges, some politically motivated (opposition), some ethnic ( the Kurdish minority) and some religiously motivated (the ruling Suni minority against the Shiite majority), yielded an astounding number of victims. Estimates vary from one million, according to local sources, to a quarter million, according to Human Rights Watch. Other international organizations quote an estimate of about half a million.

In the years 1991 - 1992 there was a Shiite uprising in Iraq. There are contradictory estimates about the number of victims. The numbers vary from 40,000 to 200,000. In addition to the Iraqis that were slaughtered one must add the Kurds. During Saddam Hussein’s reign, between 200,000 to 300,000 of them were killed in a genocide that continued all through the 1980’s and the 1990’s.

Over half a million more Iraqis died from diseases because of the shortage of medicine, which was the result of sanctions imposed after the first Gulf War. Today it is clear that this was a continuation of the genocide perpetrated by Saddam on his own people. He could have purchased medicine, he had enough money to buy food and to build hospitals for all the children of Iraq, but Saddam preferred to build palaces and to distribute franchises to many in the west and in Arab states. This issue is being exposed in the corruption of the UN’s ‘Oil for Food’ project.

The Iraqis continue to suffer. The civil war that is raging there now - even if some would rather not give that name to the mutual massacre of Sunis and Shiites – is costing tens of thousands of lives. It is estimated that about 100,000 people have been killed since the coalition forces took control in Iraq.

Iraq Summary: 1.54 million to 2 million victims.

Iran Summary:
450,000 to 970,000 victims.

Lebanon:
The Lebanese civil war took place from 1975 to 1990. Israel was involved in certain stages, by way of the first Lebanon War in 1982. There is no disagreement that a considerable part of the victims were killed in the first two years.

The more assessments talk of over 130,000 killed. Most of them were Lebanese killed by other Lebanese, on religious, ethnic grounds and in connection with the Syrian involvement. Syria transferred its support between various parties in the conflict. The highest estimates claim that Israeli activities were the cause of around 18,000 people, the great majority of which were fighters.

Lebanon summary: 130,000.

Yemen:
In the civil war that took place in Yemen from 1962 to 1970, with Egyptian and Saudi involvement, 100,000 to 150,000 Yemenites were killed, and more than a thousand Egyptians and a thousand Saudis.

Egypt committed war crimes by incorporating the use of chemical warfare. Riots in Yemen from 1984 to 1986 caused the deaths of thousands more.

Yemen summary: 100,000 to 150,000 fatalities.

Chechnya:
Russia turned down Chechen Republic demands for independence, and this led to the first Chechen war of 1994 to 1996. The war cost the lives of 50,000 to 200,000 Chechens.

Russia put a great deal into this conflict, but failed miserably. This did not help Chechens, because although they had gained autonomy there republic was in ruins.

The second Chechen War began in 1999 and officially ended in 2001, but it has not really ended, and number of the victims is estimated at 30,000 to 100,000.

Chechnya summary: 80,000 to 300,000 fatalities.

From Jordan to Zanzibar:
In addition to the wars and the massacres, there have also been smaller confrontations, that have cost the lives of thousands and tens of thousands, of Muslims and Arabs (killed) by Muslims and Arabs. These confrontations are not even taken into account in the tables presented on these pages, because the numbers are small, relatively speaking, even though the numbers of those killed are far higher than the numbers of the victims of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Here are some of them:

Jordan:
1970 to 1971 the Black September riots took place In the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan. King Hussein was fed up of the Palestians use of the country and their threatened to take control of it. The confrontation, mainly a massacre in the refugee camps, took thousands of lives. According to estimates provided by the Palestinians themselves - 10,000 to 25,000 fatalities. According to other sources - a few thousand.

Chad:
Half of the population of Chad are Muslims: In various civil wars 30,000 civilians have been killed.

Kosovo: In the mainly Muslim area of Yugoslavia about 10,000 were killed in the war there from 1998 to 2000.

Tajikistan: Civil war from 1992 to 1996 left about 50,000 dead.

Syria: Hafez Assad’s systematic persecution of the Muslim Brotherhood ended in the 1982 massacre in the city of Hama, costing the lives of about 20,000 people.

Iran:
Thousands were killed in the beginning of the Humeini Revolution. The precise number is unknown, but is somewhere between thousands and tens of thousands. The Kurds also suffered at the hands of Iran, and about 10,000 of them were murdered there.

Turkey:
About 20,000 Kurds were killed in Turkey as part of the conflict there.

Zanzibar:
In the early 1960’s the island was granted independence, but only for a short time. At first, the Arabs were in power, but a black group, made up mainly of Muslims, slaughtered the Arab group, also Muslim, in 1964. The estimates are that 5,000 to 17,000 were killed.

Even this is not the end of the list. There were more conflicts with unknown numbers of victims in former USSR republics with Muslim majority populations (like the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagurno Karabach), and a disputable number of Muslims that were killed in mixed population countries in Africa, such as Nigeria, Mauritania or Uganda (in the years of Idi Amins reign in Uganda, in the decade that began in 1971, about 300,000 Ugandans were killed. Amin defined himself as Muslim, but in contrast to Sudan, it is hard to say that the background for the slaughter was Muslim, and it certainly wasn’t Arab.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict

To all the above, one can add this data: The great majority of Arabs killed in the framework of the Israeli-Arab Conflict were killed as a result of wars instigated by the Arabs and as a result of their refusal to recognize the UN decision regarding the establishment of the State of Israel, or their refusal to recognize the Jews’ right of self-definition.

The number of Israelis killed by Arab aggression has been relatively much higher than the numbers of Arabs killed. In the War of the Independence, for example, more than 6,000 Israelis were killed out of a population that was then made up of 600,000. This means: One percent of the population. In comparison with this, Arab fatalities in the war against Israel came from seven countries, the populations of which were already tens of millions. Israel did not dream, did not think and did not want to destroy any Arab state. But the ostensible goal of the attacking armies was “to liquidate the Jewish entity”.

Obviously, in recent years, the Palestinian victims have received most of the attention of the Media and the Academia. In actual fact, these make up just a small percentage of the total sum of all victims. The total sum of Palestinians killed by Israel in the territories that were conquered is several thousand. 1,378 were killed in the first Intifada, and 3,700 since the start of the second Intifada.

This is less, for instance, than the Muslim victims massacred by former Syrian president, Hafez Assad in Hama in 1982. This is less than the Palestinians massacred by King Hussein in 1971. This is less than the number of those killed in one single massacre of Muslim Bosnians by the Serbs in 1991 in Srebrenica, a massacre that left 8,000 dead.

Every person killed is regrettable, but there is no greater libel than to call Israel’s actions ‘genocide’. And even so, the string ‘Israel’ and ‘genocide’ in Google search engine leads to 13,600,000 referrals. Try typing ‘Sudan’ and ‘genocide’ and you’ll get less than 9 million results. These numbers, if you will, are the essence of the great deception.

The occupation is not enlightened, but is not brutal

Another fact:
Since WWII, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the national conflict with the lowest number of victims, but with the world’s highest number of publications hostile to Israel in the media and in the Academia.

At least half a million Algerians died during the French occupation. A million Afghanis died during the Soviet occupation. Millions of Muslims and Arabs were killed and slaughtered at the hands of Muslims. But all the world knows about one Mohammed a-Dura (whose death was regrettable, but there is some doubt whether he was killed by Israeli gunfire at all).

It is possible and acceptable to criticize Israel. But the excessive, obsessive, and at times anti-Semitic criticism serves also as a coverup, and in some cases also as an approval, of the genocide of millions of others.
Occupation is not enlightened and can’t be enlightened. But if we try to create a scale of ‘brutal occupation’, Israel will come last. This is a fact. This is not an opinion.

And what would have happened to the Palestinians if, instead of being under Israeli occupation they were under Iraqi occupation? Or Sudanese? Or even French or Soviet? It is highly probable that they would have been victims of genocide, at worst, and of mass killings, purges, and deportations at best.

But luckily for them they are under Israeli occupation. And even if, I repeat, there is no such thing as an enlightened occupation, and even if it is acceptable and possible, and at times necessary, to criticize Israel, there is no occupation and there has never been an occupation with so few fatalities (indeed, there are other injuries that are not manifested in the numbers of fatalities, such as the refugee problem. This will be discussed in a separate chapter).

Television screen ethics

So why is the impression of the world the direct opposite? How come there is no connection between the facts and the numbers and the so very demonic image of Israel in the world?

There are many answers. One of them is that western ethics have become the ethics of television cameras. If a Palestinian terrorist or a Hizballah man tries to shoot a rocket from the midst of a civilian neighborhood, and Israel retaliates with fire - causing the death of two children - there will be endless headlines and articles all over the world that “Israel murders children”. But if entire villages are destroyed in Sudan or whole cities are erased in Syria, there will be no television cameras in the area.

And so, according to television ethics, Jose Saramago and Harold Pinter sign a petition protesting ‘genocide’ and ‘war crimes’ perpetrated by Israel. They have never read the Geneva Convention either. They probably do not know that, aside for very few exceptions, the actions of Israel against military targets hitting civilians is allowed according to the Geneva Convention (protocol 1 paragraph 52.2). And because these people are so submerged in television ethics, they will not sign any petitions in protest of the genocide of Muslims by Muslims. Murder for the sake of it. They are allowed to do it.

Television ethics is a tragedy for the Arabs and the Muslims themselves. Israel pays dearly because of it, but the Arabs and the Muslims are its real victims. And as long as this blue screen morality continues, the Arabs and the Muslims will continue to pay the price.

Epilogue

There are those that claim that Arab and Muslim states are immune from criticism, because they are not democratic, but Israel is more worthy of criticism because it has democratic pretences. Claims like this are Orientalism at its worst. The covert assumption is that the Arabs and the Muslims are the retarded child of the world. They are allowed. It is not only Orientalism. It is racism.

The Arabs and the Muslims are not children and they are not retarded. Many Arabs and Muslims know this and write about it. They know that only an end to the self-deception and a taking of responsibility will lead to change. They know that as long as the west treats them as unequal and irresponsible it is lending a hand not only to a racist attitude, but also, and mainly, to a continuation of their mass murder.

The genocide that Israel is not committing, that is completely libelous, hides the real genocide, the silenced genocide that Arabs and Muslims are committing mainly against themselves. The libel has to stop so as to look at reality. It is in the interest of the Arabs and the Muslims. Israel pays in image. They pay in blood. If there is any morality left in the world, this should be in the interest of whoever has a remaining drop of it in him. And should it happen, it will be small news for Israel, and great news, far greater news, for Arabs and Muslims.

"We need to concentrate on preserving our own cultures and traditions, and what we need here is the will to prevail, but it seems that we no longer possess even the most basic of survival instincts."

I'll drink to that!

"In any event, I think the Moslems rely on us to lose our resolve and roll over. It is something we can never do. We owe it to the generation(s) who will inherit this mess."

And that!

justamomof4

Fantastic!! Thank you! I am definitely keeping that!

OT but I just came across a great site posted on LGF: (Thanks to the poster if you visit this site also).

Click on any icon for full info at any time.

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As good as your work is, and I appreciate it, I believe Wafa Sultan is more deserving. As a woman and a Syrian she's punching buttons and disseminating knowledge whilst running (I assume) an even greater risk than you.

A *female* *Arab* pointing up the nastier tenets of Islam? Many words come to mind - I'll settle for 'courageous'.

I had to vote for you Robert. All were deserving, but YOU DA MAN!

You have my vote as well.

Americaningermany, I share every one of your concerns and believe me, I don't enjoy being called a racist and a bigot any more than you do, but my conscience exonerates me when I am wrongly accused. You know what you are; others can only speculate. Unfortunately, words can hurt, especially words like "racist" and "bigot", which gutless liberal cowards and muslims use as weapons to silence and ostracize all who disagree with them. These words are painful but they aren't fatal and when you have the truth on your side, do the ugly epithets and mud-slinging really matter? We will never defeat political correctness if we let it control our lives.

Personally, I get an exquisite thrill out of laughing in the self-righteous, twisted-in-rage faces of the Thought Police. I love to watch them gasp in horror and slither away to their subterranean clubhouses, where they conjure up non-existent racism, islamophobia, and discrimination, and applicable solutions to these heinous offenses. Some people have too much free time on their hands and instead of fixing what is broken, they invent problems to solve.

My disdain for political correctness and my refusal to participate in its hypocritical asininity created a few "issues" for me when I gave a damn about career advancement, which I no longer do. I decided a long time ago that if you cannot be true to your values, ethics, and morality, life is meaningless. No matter how hard you try, you cannot make everyone like you, agree with you, respect you, or even leave you the hell alone. So be yourself--you're a great person. There are millions of Americans who share your concerns, they just don't have the courage to express their feelings. When we speak out and express what so many others are thinking and feeling, it gives them the courage to do the same. So keep it up!

I voted for you Mr. Spencer, because you, Hugh, and the JihadWatch staff have influenced me the most by providing illuminating commentary and articles about islam and jihad. Your books have been most informative and educational also.

You are indeed a worthy candidate, as are all of the others. However, you have had the greatest impact on me and for that reason, I voted for you.

Wafa Sultan gets my vote with Robert a close second, luckily for you robert Brigitte Gabriel is'nt on the list which would relegate you to third place in my book. Pfft!! Not worthy, who are you kidding?

I voted for Wafa Sultan.

Why is PB16 on this list? And John Bolton, who is leading the poll at the moment!

Everyone 'belongs' on the list -- and I voted for you because it was you (and Walid Shoebat) who woke me up to this horrendous problem which threatens our way of life and possibly our existance. After many years of listening (and believing) mainstream news reports, I now know the real information is from web sites such as yours and radio shows such as Coast to Coast.

I voted for you Robert, but then I too am a complete suck.

Kind regards

You got my vote Robert. I think the work you, Hugh and Marisol are doing is playing a very important role in the fight against Islam.

Stuck Mojo

Open Season
Music: Ward
Lyrics: Aborn, Nelson
String Arrangement: Eric Frampton

I speak peace

when peace is spoken,

But I speak war

when your hate is provoking,

The season is open

24-7-365,

Man up yo time to ride,

No need to hide

behind slogans of deceit,

Claiming that you're a religion of peace,

We just don't believe you,

We can clearly see through,

The madness that you're feeding your people,

Jihad the cry of your unholy war,

Using the willing, the weak and poor,

From birth drowning in propaganda,

rhetoric and slander,

All we can say is damn ya

My forefathers fought and died for this here
I'm stronger than your war of fear
Are we clear?
If you step in my hood
It's understood
It's open season

I don't need a faith that's blind,

Where death and hate bring me peace of mind,

With views that are stuck deep in the seventh century,

So much sand in your eyes to blind to see,

The venom that you leaders preach,

Is the path to your own destruction,

Your own demise,

You might say that I don't understand

but your disgust for me is what I realize,

Surprise!
Your homicidal ways has got the whole world watching,

Whole world scoping,

So if you bring it to my home base,

Best believe it,

The season's open

I see you,

Hell yeah I see you,

Motherfucker naw,

I don't wanna be you,

If you come to my place,

I'll drop more than just some bass,

Yo you'll get a taste of a,

Sick motherfucker from the Dirty,

I ain't worrying not a fucking bit,

I'm telescoping like Hubble,

Yo you in trouble,

Yo on the double,

I'm wild with mine,

Bring that style with mine,

Fuck with my family I'll end your line,

Just the way it is,

Just the way it be,

Do you understand?

No matter if you're woman or man, or child,

My profile is crazy,

That shit you do doesn't amaze me,

I'm ready to blaze thee

I don't give a damn what god you claim,

I've seen the innocent that you've slain,

On my streets you're just fair game,

Like a pig walk to your slaughter,

The heat here is so much hotter,

And my views won't teeter totter

or fluctuate,

Step to me you just met your fate,

And I'll annihilate,

With the skill of a Shogun assassin,

Slicing and dicing precise with a passion,

In any shape form or fashion,

Bring it to my home,

Welcome to the danger zone,

Cause your attitude's the reason,

The triggers keep squeezing,

The hunt is on

and it's open season

It's Open Season

THATS THE LYRICS

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http://www.islamcomicbook.com/lyrics4.htm