Tony Blair continues to call for his "alliance of moderation" in the Islamic world, confident that Muslims will turn away from Iran's "warped and wrongheaded misinterpretation of Islam" and join Britain in a war against the global jihad. And of course, he may get some positive response from some quarters who see common cause with Britain as something to their advantage; but it will be very interesting to see what kind of response his appeal on the basis of pure and true Islam will get -- for that is exactly the same kind of appeal that the jihadists use. Both Blair and the mujahedin claim to be representing and fighting for true Islam -- Blair, of course, as a non-Muslim -- and calling for support on that basis. It will be interesting to see which appeal proves more effective.
"Tony Blair: 'Wake Up' to Iran's Extremism," from AP, with thanks to Tommy:
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair wrapped up a Middle East tour Wednesday with a blunt speech warning that the world faces a monumental struggle between moderates and extremists - and labeling Iran the main obstacle to hopes for peace.In an address to business leaders and journalists in Dubai, Blair said combating extremism and the violence it foments was the greatest challenge of the 21st century. He said the lesson he had drawn from his five-day Mideast trip was "startlingly real, clear and menacing."
"There is a monumental struggle going on worldwide between those who believe in democracy and moderation, and forces of reaction and extremism," Blair said.
"We have to wake up. These forces of extremism - based on a warped and wrongheaded misinterpretation of Islam - aren't fighting a conventional war. But they are fighting one, against us - and us is not just the West, still less simply America and its allies," Blair said.
"We must therefore mobilize our alliance of moderation in the region and outside of it to defeat the extremists."
Blair has repeated that message throughout his trip - in Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Israel, the Palestinian territories and the United Arab Emirates.
Of course, Saudi Arabia is a "moderate" country by his yardstick, even though 9/11 was primarily a Saudi production. Even though the Saudis embrace the Stone Age Taliban. Even though the Saudis have draconian sharia. Even though the Saudis continue to spread the deadly Wahabbi bacillus throughout the world. Blair probably thinks that unless a Muslim country makes weekly statements calling for the end of the West it MUST be a moderate one. On that score the Saudis would have to count as moderates;after all, they always talk of being "friends" despite doing everything to the contrary.
Blair is totally clueless. I really think he IS a meathead-dead from the neck up.
Dhimmi Blair says, "...the world faces a monumental struggle between moderates and extremists..."
Not quite Tony. The world faces a monumental struggle with Islamists. The difference being: all persons not of the Islamic faith are locked in a life and death struggle for survival. This struggle knows no geographical, racial or religious bounds.
Dhimmi Blair says, "We have to wake up. These forces of extremism - based on a warped and wrongheaded misinterpretation of Islam..." No Tony, you are the one who has misinterpreted the koran, not the jihadists.
Isn't it interesting he calls them extremists instead of jihadists? Yet again, failure to name the enemy. As much a misnomer as "terrorist"
Dhimmi Blair says, "We must therefore mobilize our alliance of moderation in the region"
Moderation in the Islamic world? Uhh, Tony, please specify. Give definitive examples to support your absurd notion. You are being played like a fiddle in Pakistan, Saudia Arabia, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan...oh hell, the whole damn area. I have not read such bull flop in a long time...probably since Dubya's last speech...
MR Blair,
Who in your country is trying to bomb buses, railways and churches. Who is sucking up welfare money and eliminating ages old churches from your revered country? Who is constantly announcing that Great Britain will fade into history no longer to exist? Who is constantly forcing their will and customs into the everyday fabric of the British traditions and lifestyles?
Could it be the Catholics, Protestants, Baptists or Hindus?
I think you should stop smoking whatever it is that induces you to consider "an alliance for moderation" regarding the Muslim world.
Such a thing does not exist, nor should it.
Are you becoming indoctrinated by the Five call to prayer a day as is being called by the mosques in your neighborhood.?
People are becoming concerned about your welfare.
Sincerely
A Concerned member of the free world.
Next thing you know he will be advocating a treaty between Al Queda and Achmedinejad in order to stop sectarian violence in Iraq.
By the way, if/when that happens, watch the Dhimmis line up in praise of the vehicle of their destruction.
How many muslims will sign up to follow Tony? I'll bet they will be beating down his door:-)
Try to keep in mind folks Mr Blair is talking to muslims! He knows if he wants the aid and support of what few muslims he may count on to fight muslim terrorist he wont get that aid and support by stating islam itself is a terrorist organization! So he uses their own talking p[oints against them. You said islam is a peaceful religion , you said terrorist extremist have hijacked your peaceful religion, Then get in line and give us the aid and support we need to take your peaceful religion out of the hands of these muslim terrorist! I think its simply brilliant!
I see nothing wrong with Mr Blair using a little "taqqiya" against the muslims for his own advantage!
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Does not Robert Spencer constantly ask the moderates to stand up and be noticed? To make a statement about the rejection they claim of the 'extremists beliefs and so-called hi-jacking of Islam'?
Did not our Lord Jesus ask for the one without sin to cast the first stone?
I would think the deafening silence from our so-called "moderate Islamic allies" in response to this call would be the answer. To be a world leader you sometimes have to gather some followers. If he stands up alone he will be crucified.
I must say im disheartened and dismayed to see some of jihads most outspoken enemies attack and insult two of the only men on earth willing to stand of and fight the jihad scum!
Mr Blair and Mr Bush, other than these two ,not counting Israel, who are standing up to fight against the muslim terrorist!
You all recognize taqqiya when its used agains nonmuslims, but you dont seem to recognize it when our leaders use it against the muslims!
Ill tell you this much, if we dont stand behind and support Mr Blair and Mr Bush in this war against muslims or islam or terrorist or jihadis or freedom fighters or what ever the hell you want to call the murderous bastards we wont be left with anyone willing to fight them!
... (I am) confident that Muslims will turn away from Iran's warped and wrongheaded misinterpretation of Islam.
--- Tony Blair
* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *
Warfare is ordained for you."
--- Allah commanding Jihad war in Koran 2:216
Mohammed said, “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."
--- Mohammed commanding Jihad war until all are Moslem, Bukhari Vol. 4 Bk. 52 No. 9
Killing disbelieivers is a small matter to us.
--- Mohammed commenting on the behavior of Moslems, Tabari IX:69
I have been made victorious with terror.
--- Mohammed on the role of terrorism in Islam, Bukhari Vol. 4 Bk. 52 No. 9
* 2:216 * 4:74 * 9:111 * 8:12 * 4:96 * 56:22 * 38:51 * 55:56 * 55:76 * 56:22 * 8:74 * 9:2 *
Apparently they didn’t teach Tony how to read at Oxford.
He doesn't have the first clue about Islam. One is reminded of his comment that he had read the entire Koran, which of course makes no sense without supporting texts and at any rate cannot be read from back to front as the chapters are ordered by size and not as a continuous narrative.
He cut a 'peace deal' with the IRA which involved almost total capitulation - the highlight being the early release of hundreds of convicted murderers and attempted murderers.
Alas with Islam such a deal is not possible. The IRA and the Loyalists were a simple bunch of gangsters - such concessions bought them off because they realised they would be better off with a little political power and the ability to focus on their 'core businesses' (extortion, drug dealing, arms dealing, and money laundering).
Islam's 'core business' is nothing less than the subjugation of the world to a religious caliphate.
The man's ignorance is, again, breathtaking.
In an address to business leaders and journalists in Dubai, Blair said combating extremism and the violence it foments was the greatest challenge of the 21st century....?
And their response was exactly what? Roaring applause? That would be interesting to see indeed, the response.
So I wonder if Mr. Blair is a sunni, since he seems to imply that things like shariah are okay; beheadings are okay; stoning adultresses is okay (the boys of course, get a pass); and sura 9 is okay.
Well Tony, perhaps you can become an immam when you retire and open your own mosque at number 10 downing with the help of Saudi cash?
Then you can develop your own fairyland of islamic bliss; perhaps you and prince Charles will have a "gay ol time" pointing your bottoms in the face of allah.
The latest edition of U.S. News & World Report has a feature called "50 Ways To Improve Your Life in 2007." One the ways is... ready... Learn About Islam!
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/061217/25islam.community.htm
The author of the article recommended books to read about Islam, including Karen Armstrong's and those by other Islamic-friendly writers. He said, "To acquire a basic Islamic literacy, you might begin with a good general history of Islamic religion and civilization."
No mention of Robert Spencer or Steve Armstrong.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather read Oriana Fallaci's "The Force of Reason."
I wouldnt call Mr Blair nor Mr Bush ignorant!
Ill tell you this, i know enough about islam, muhammad,jihad, the qu'ran and sunnah and the ummah that i can go to any masjid in america and be accepted as a muslim, i can scream allahu akbar and death to america and israel with the best of them! if you were to see me there you would think me to be a devoted follower of muhammad, but all it would be is my using their own practice of taqqiya against them!
Bush and Blair are doing the same!
Probably he wants to advice different kind of rocks for stoneing people.
A hint for him
http://civoc.com/society/?p=53
thndrbang1-
True Bush and Blair have killed many jihadists and have done more to fight those crazies than anyone else other than Israel. However, if they indeed are playing the taqquiya game it is getting quite annoying. It seems they really do believe Islam is peaceful since they constantly tell us this. Speaking for myself I'd rather have them finally name the enemy and employ more ruthless measures against that enemy. If the "moderate" Muslims are offended by that then either too bad for them or let them take back their Islam from those giving it a bad reputation.
Bush and Blair's taqquiya (if this is indeed what they're engaged in) is fooling only the anti-jihadists and making them look bad. The jihadists themselves will hate them no matter what they say and do-besides, trying to fool a bunch of liars is an exercise in futility.
Blair does not fully understand yet that the supremacist perception created by the belief system is an inevitable consequence of its dogmas and cannot be otherwise. As Tariq Ramadan has pointed out, Kafirs are people who do "not recognise the last message as the truth." The perception that Kafirs do not recognize truth creates a whole array of rationalizations and perceptions re Kafirs that result in conscious and unconscious supremacist attitudes and behavior. It never occurs to these belief-system adherents (some call them Nazi-style-supremacist-pigs) that their belief-system may be false. They treat the beliefs as fact-absolute-truth. The belief system rationalizes deception, exploitation and violence against Kafirs because of the supremacist perceptions created by the premise that Kafirs are people who do "not recognise the last message as the truth."
(I( think the belief-system is mental illness.)
Fitzgerald once alluded (in one of his posts) to a "learning curve" re the dogmas of the belief-system. I suspect, that despite some of his public comments, Blair has gone a long way upward on the learning curve in the last few years. That is because of information and books and articles from folks such as Fitzgerald and Robert and others. I am sure he has many questions re the "mosaic" multicultural-stealth supremacism of people like Armstrong. Blair is one of a multitude of people ascending "the learning curve".
you folks are condemning and insulting the only two men on earth today willing to even try to fight the muslim terrorist!
if you dont stand behind them and support them , if all you do is add your insults and condemnation to those from the dhimmicrats and the muslims against these two men then you will force them to stop the fight!
you had better wake the hell up!
I keep on wondering if Blair and Bush really do understand it and are moving as fast as they think their children (the PC correct ones that is) can stand it. Sometimes I think he is the worst Prime Minister ever and then I get a feeling that perhaps he really does understand.
After all I do see a general tightening up in Europe, but with the background of so many acts of surrender its hard to really have faith in them.
If we think that Blair knows what is going on, then that comment about solving the Israel / Pali conflict was the sop to the Sunnis before focusing on Iran. And he can not say that your religion is a pile of horse manure can he, perhaps if he gave that comment with a certain amount of distaste or like Howard with a slightly different tone of voice and rushed as if the words were a monologue perhaps we would feel better, but he is too smooth for that.
Do we take it on trust when his government has lost the home front so much. When the English feel like second class citizens in their own country. The normal Brit despises Islam, they think it backward and have a healthy contempt for it. They do however just want to get on with their lives and ignore it, but that is suicide, as Islam creeps up on you and before you know it, it has you.
Well I suppose we have to wait and see, if there is the movement of US forces to the area, then the war starts soon, keep your heads down now as it will get rocky.
Lets give Blair ad Bush some credit here.
Who else is muttering anything at all in public about Islam's growing threat. Our leaders and politicians and the general public in the west are for the most part, silent, in denial, or appeasers. A grave, self-exterminating situation.
I say give "some credit" here although Bush & Blair still portray Islam substantially as moderate and peaceful. They still don't get it, but at least speaking out against extremism is worth something.
The world still has a loooooooong way to go.
Thndrbang said: but all it would be is my using their own practice of taqqiya against them!
Bush and Blair are doing the same!
Really? Is funding for the Muslim Council of Britain that comes from the UK taxpayer really just taquqiya? Even when they claim to be the new jews, they fail to condemn suicide bombing, and lobby for Shar'ia?
Wow. Maybe they're playing on a whole different level.
/sarc
It must be marvelous to have the smugness and feeling of supremacism created by the perception that Kafirs do "not recognise the last message as the truth." That statement itself points to the mental illness (treating beliefs as absolute-truth) at the core of the belief-system and it is that perception that must go. Unfortunately, just as with Nazi-supremacist concepts, it probably will have to be burned out by Unbelievers. I doubt reason will work with adherents of the belief-system. Blair and others may one day realize what Churchill realized about the Nazis-what Neville Chamberlain saw only at the close of his life in 1940-when Chamberlain realized that Churchill was right after all. Even for Unbelievers it's often hard to look at unpleasant facts.
if you were to see me there you would think me to be a devoted follower of muhammad, but all it would be is my using their own practice of taqqiya against them!
Bush and Blair are doing the same!
I give you credit for being smart enough NOT to engage in suicide missions; Blair and Bush? I'm not so sure!
Previous statements by Blair:
"I have read the Koran twice and it lies on a table bedside."
"Islam is a religion ahead of its time."
And of course the ROP bull.
How do you fight an an enemy that you not only refuse to name but heap big piles of cowardly praise as the lunatics plot to blow up London?
ISLAMSFORLOSERS-
You are right. Even if they (Bush-Blair) are practicing deception, the general public does not know that and they are ultimately propagandists for the belief-system by parroting the belief-system deception re "religion of peace". (I think their mothers should put soap in their mouth when they say that-LOL.) They should change that mantra. They might say, "The Islamic belief-system is different from other belief-systems" or "Muslims assert that Islam is a religion of peace" but cease being tools of propaganda by repeating the belief-system deceptions as fact.
They have to develop good habits of speech on the matter.
As a leader he is supposed to listen and act on unpleasant facts.
I use the French pension system as an extreme example of why the French socialists are not fit to govern. But is very apt in regards to Blair.
They were in power following the previous governments failed attempt to reform, but they ducked it, let it fester and get worse. They were supposed to govern to do the right thing, but they did not. They do not deserve our vote, they are incapable of showing leadership, they ducked the issue because it would hurt them. When the right took power they did the right thing, which was made worse by the neglect, it hurt them, but they governed.
Now when we look deeply at this, we have at least 30% of the West population who are moonbats living in some fantasy world in all of their thoughts, these are the children that the EU wants us all to be, these people can't accept the truth, anyone telling them the truth will be called the problem, so you have to lead them to the truth sometimes at their own pace and sometimes with a shove, but it is a difficult thing to do. But the truth of the matter is until we are united in facing this threat we will not win.
At this point I do think Blair and Bush have got it, but I am not at all sure. One thing is for sure, just think of the mental gymnastics one must go through to look acceptable to the Saudis, mental contortionists need only apply
What they should do is repeat the belief-system deceptions but always attribute the deception to them (for example: "Muslims assert Islam is a religion of peace") and stop the crap of making it appear that the belief-system assertions are fact. After awhile, the public will perceive the contradictions of belief-system assertions with reality.
He's like doing his rock star last tour, which unfortunately will likely keep touring for years to come.
Think of windbag Jimmy Catta, the windup energizer banging away on another tour, trying to solicit our petrodollars (through the venal arab sheiks) plugging the same themes) : surrender Israel (which has only 20% of the Balfour settlement) make peace with the "moderates" and lets all get together and sing Kumbaya.
Blah blah blah.
These lefties sure both misinform, distract,and leave behind a bad odour.
I would agree with Franks comment.
i tell you what i see, Bushs and Blairs strongest enemies at the moment are their one contrymen bush has a greater fight against the dhimmicrats to try to win this war against islam, muslims, terrorist, extremist, freedom fighters or what ever the hell the dhimmis in government choose to call the murdering jihadi bastards!
there is an old saying the friend of my enemy is my enemy,president Bushs enemies are the dhimmicrats in congress and the muslims!
same with Blair!
So they are forced to seek new allies to fight the enemies of their countries both foriegn and domestic!
I dont know about you, but i do know that not all muslims wish to attack rob rape terrorize torture subdue, enslave and slaughter their peaceful neighbors, i do know there are muslims who if given a chance and didnt have to fear for their lives would leave islam!
I point to a hadith in the sunnah of muhammad! the tabuk expidition(raid)! Even then there were muslims( muslims only because they converted to save their lives and prevent their wives and daughters from being raped and enslaved) who refused to go out on the raid of an innocent peaceful village with muhammad and his rapist murdring thugs! when muhammad returned he had lost many of hbis muslims in the raid and he was pissed, then he recieved a revelations from his satanic diety telling him those "muslims" who refused to go on the raid with him were filth and that even if muhammad were to forgive them, allah never would!
>>>allah hates peaceful muslims who make x-cuses and refuse to fight in the cause of allah( jihad the lesser) and go forth to attack rob rape terrorize torture enslave and murder the nonmuslims for muhammad and allah!
abdullah yusuf ali
surah 9}95,They will swear to you by God, when ye return to them, that ye may leave them alone. So leave them alone: For they are an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling place,-a fitting recompense for the (evil) that they did.
Every day now I have to listen to "politicians" and "talking-heads" spreading the same stupidity and ignorance as Blair. I just heard two on television a few minutes ago, and one an ex-governor! Assimilation of Muslims into the United States? Show me one case in history where Muslims assimilated to a population. Show me another in the past 500 years. I hope you've packed a lunch (and dinner) for the library -- perhaps a cot to sleep upon until morning, too.
The Koran (Qur'an) is ok for swearing upon? Have these fools even read the book or researched the author!? Obviously not: allowing the Koran to be used for public office in the United States sets a precedent that our grandchildren will curse us for one day. It opens the door for Sharia Law to be introduced as an example for US laws to be modified by. Any of our leaders that allow this should be ashamed, removed from office, even disbarred, or called traitors!
My reaction in poster/picture form:
http://www.foehammer.net/2006/12/new-war-poster-this-is-enemy.html
We are under siege, ladies and gentlemen. And the more fools and blind leftist, socialist scum that leave me comments and emails decrying my person, the more sure I am that I am absolutely right in my stand. I am a moderate on many levels but when it comes to the truth I am an absolute zealot.
Islam is not compatible with the United States. Islam will not assimilate, it will do the assimilating.
Open your eyes, your minds -- gain courage from somewhere -- but please, for God's sake, wake up, people. I will never go back to sleep until this war is won.
By saying things like, "As you know, Muslims proclaim that Islam is a religion of peace and we must recognize that that is their belief" (or similar comments) the goal must be to make the general public think about the contradictions. Many will start to see the irony in such an approach. If someone asks if he believes that, Blair might say "I am not a theologian and must defer to the expertise of the imams that Islam is a religion of peace". People like Blair are clever and can use the belief-system deceptions by playing dumb. A good politician must know how to play dumb when necessary but not be dumb.
Frank wrote: "People like Blair are clever and can use the belief-system deceptions by playing dumb. A good politician must know how to play dumb when necessary but not be dumb."
--
"Playing dumb" by our politicians is allowing Islam to migrate in a torrent over our borders, breed in our midst at an alarming rate, cultivate our laws and people, become more mainstream to become more "invisible", and therefore, far more dangerous than before 9-11. Anyone else see the horrible ironies?
I hope that politicians don't "play dumb" until we are all "playing dead".
I just heard two on television a few minutes ago, and one an ex-governor! Assimilation of Muslims into the United States?
Posted by: Foehammer
>>> i also just seen that, both dhimmicrats!
this is exactly what im speaking about, Bush and Blair repaet the muslim schtick "islam is a peaceful religion" while both are seeking to fight and slaughter muslim"terrorist"!
while the dhimmicrats repeat the line islam is a peaceful religion and they believe it! the dhimmicrats fight harder to protect the rights of muslims to attack and slaughter americans than they do to protect americans from the slaughter committed by muslims!
I just heard two on television a few minutes ago, and one an ex-governor! Assimilation of Muslims into the United States?
Posted by: Foehammer
>>> i also just seen that, both dhimmicrats!
this is exactly what im speaking about, Bush and Blair repaet the muslim schtick "islam is a peaceful religion" while both are seeking to fight and slaughter muslim"terrorist"!
while the dhimmicrats repeat the line islam is a peaceful religion and they believe it! the dhimmicrats fight harder to protect the rights of muslims to attack and slaughter americans than they do to protect americans from the slaughter committed by muslims!
I hope that politicians don't "play dumb" until we are all "playing dead".
BRAVO -- well stated!
But, maybe they're not PLAYING? For sure we won't be playing either if this keeps up for whatever reason.
If it's Blair and Bush that's leading us against the Islamic doomsday, then we need help from beyond this world.
Foehammer-
I was once dumb on the matter, as many in the general public and in government have been dumb. That has changed. Ultimately, this is a conflict of ideas, and the belief-system is the only major belief-system that has any doctrine that permits deception. Those doctrines of the belief-system will undo them. In order to sell anything it is necessary that the customer like and trust you. Once it becomes clear that the salesman cannot be trusted he has to find another line of work. Deception, when exposed, makes the deceiver a pariah. The public reaction to the Flying Phonies and other deceptive set-ups tells me that the public sees reality.
I think Franks comment is spot on, I have been attacking the use of this "Islam is a religion of peace" comment with phrases like how dare they say this before the blood has even dried, have they no shame, and they are clinging on to this sentence as if it will hide the truth.
This is the next step that I want to see, it puts the onus back on the Muslims to prove it.
Hammer-
The public is not buying the deception. The politicians will follow.
If it's Blair and Bush that's leading us against the Islamic doomsday, then we need help from beyond this world.
Posted by: unicorns62000
>>>well it sure as hell isnt the kennedys, reids, schumars, kerrys, or any of the rest of the dhimmicrats that are fighting tooth and nail to protect the muslims rights to slaughter enslave and dhimmify americans, who are fighting the muslims!
Frank:
I'm banking on you being right -- the public isn't buying it. The US public is still representative of the country I love. It's why I do what I do, after all.
One reader at a time....
Daffersd-
We must do it with irony and humor, and always attribute the lies to the deceivers. After awhile people will laugh and you will make a sale. Sell the contradictions. It's an easy sale.
Foehammer-
Absolutely. It's easy to sell a good product. It's hard to sell bullshit and once people realized that they have been deceived, they are not happy bunnies. You sell a good producted and you can be trusted.
Frank, if I hear a politician of Blair's standing say "Muslims assert Islam is a religion of peace" I will start cheering and crack open a bottle of champers, its at that point I will seriously believe that the tide is turning.
"We must therefore mobilize our alliance of moderation in the region and outside of it to defeat the extremists."
Interesting call to action. How, then, does one go about determining who does and does not follow the teachings of Islam literally? Is it determined by lifestyle or demographics? Is it the frequency of prayer or tone of the imam at their local mosque? If they say "hello" to you on the street are they then an ally in this war on extremism? I'm listening.
For those that are truly interested in living peacefully (the infidel kind) and in equality with their infidel neighbors, how should they go about differentiating themselves?
Let's start at the heart of the problem by systematically relacing all existing copies of the Quran. The new book will, in addition to many missing or changed verses that are typically used by the extremists, require a believer to treat all others as they would have all others treat them. Let's see how far that flies. If nothing else, we can see who stands up to complain that his/her Quran isn't an accurate translation.
Daffersd-
A toast, D.
Thndrbang said: but all it would be is my using their own practice of taqqiya against them!
Bush and Blair are doing the same!
It would be better to use 'psychological warfare', than Taqqiya. Psychological warfare is used from a position of dominance and strength. Taqqiya is used to negotiate from a position of weakness. If Islam was strong enough, there would be no need for taqqiya. For a western leader to negotiate using taqqiya, is proof of 'appeasement', of dhimmihood. If Blair is unaware of the difference between taqqiya and psychological warfare, he should sit down and 'shut up'...
Islam 'IS' the Religion of Peace'. But what do they mean by 'peace'?
Lenin wrote that 'peace will come when all opposition to communism stops'.
Qur'an:8:39
"Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Not a whole lot of difference. Fighting ceases and peace is established when all opposition stops.
Most bullys operate like that. Roll over, belly up and play dead, and the bully will leave you alone, as long as you pay him jizya.
When you finally submit to Allah, peace will have come, but you will have paid dearly for it...and you probably wont like it...
Yes, Islam is the religion of peace...if you are a glutton for punishment...
B n B are speaking directly to the marshmallows among us. The citizens that don’t understand or won’t understand. That way when the battle really starts they can truthfully say, we did every thing we could to reach out to moderates but they refused to step up and be counted. Many kind citizens who don’t quite understand the menace want this done. I have been listening and everyone is talking about the muslim problem, every day it seems to go up another notch.
There are no mods and even if there were, that’s not enough. What is a mod? One who doesn’t stick a knife in your back but cares little or nothing if an extremist does? The jihadists are putting all their cards on the table and when they do force a reaction from us I want all the territory conquered by them over the centuries taken back and them driven out. They start a world war, they lose it all, so we better be to the point where we go all the way. I don’t want this ideology rearing its ugly head in another 100 years, and our descendants forced to deal with them once again.
Remember that there are perhaps 25% or more of the people who will never get it and even if they do they lack the intestinal fortitude to do anything about it. Are B n B the smartest most cunning leaders we have had? Not by a longshot, but we could have a skerry policy toward the jihadists, so count your blessings such as they are.
Please read Rafa's link
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/061217/25islam.community.htm
I wrote a short note to the magazine. Did you guys know that muslims really like Christians and Jews? Funny way of showing it.
It would be better to use 'psychological warfare', than Taqqiya. Psychological warfare is used from a position of dominance and strength. Taqqiya is used to negotiate from a position of weakness. If Islam was strong enough, there would be no need for taqqiya. For a western leader to negotiate using taqqiya, is proof of 'appeasement', of dhimmihood. If Blair is unaware of the difference between taqqiya and psychological warfare, he should sit down and 'shut up'...
Posted by: duh_swami
you obviously dont understand the muslims mindset!
you dont threaten the muslims with war or death, they have been raised to seek and desire death, for in death they achieve all they have been prohibited in life, death for a muslim while killing nonmuslims rewards it with a one way ticket all expense paid trip to allahsville where it will eat the fruits and fowl of allahsville and be served wine by handsome boys like treasured pearls provided by allah to service a martyrs every desire, and frolic with those beautiful blackeyed virigns they are denied in this life!
what you dont seem to comprehend is Blair didnt go seeking muslims to gather arms and join in the actual fight against the terrorist!
sometimes information in the proper hands is as powerful as any weapon!
tell me this, if its not Bush and Blair you are gonna stand behind, who are you left with?
kennedy ,schumar, reid, murtha, kerry, etc. etc.
atleast Bush and Blair are fighting the terrorist. the aforementioned are fighting against america!
the dhimmicrats are fighting tooth and nail to help the muslims get you and me and our families dhimmified. just listen to the cowards speak!
On the subject of this article,
I used to hope that President Bush was just B.S.ing
with his "religion of peace®" spiel.
Well folks, he is the first President to have a qur'an in the WH library. He could talk about islam without the glowing reviews.
I just don't believe that they get it, or if they do....the situation may be more sinister than we know.
Blair is holding high the banner of Turkish entry into the EU when everyone else is thinking of quietly dropping the whole idea. This is not simply evidence that he isn't playing some diabolical two-faced game against Islam - he is a genuine ignoramus.
Carolyn2-
Read your link. This must be the first case in history where a Muslim goes by the name of "Jay" because his article reads like it came from the pen of some "Achmed" in Riyadh. Laughable to say the least.
thndrbang1...Haha...I understand the muslim mind set just fine thank you...I was not refering to 'the muslim mindset', I was refering to the weak use of taqqiyya versus the strong use of psychological warfare. I dont remember saying anything about 'threatening' muslims with anything...you made that up.
As for this: tell me this, if its not Bush and Blair you are gonna stand behind, who are you left with?
kennedy ,schumar, reid, murtha, kerry, etc. etc.
I understand your concern here. Some of our leaders are weaker than others...but so far they have 'all' shown weakness...Yes even Bush...Well, maybe Goode, and a few others are starting to wake up...but look what it takes...
It's really unfortunate that the west is stuck with dhimmi leaders who either do 'get it', but deny it, or they just dont 'get it' at all...But never fear, Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry will protect us. When they get done 'reasoning' with terrorists, we will all be safe...
This is the next step that I want to see, it puts the onus back on the Muslims to prove it.
What standard of "proof" is to be used to judge?
Theirs, or yours?
In the West, it's all relative; in the middle east, every thing is immutably defined by the ahadith, sunna, and the quaran.
Shall I conjecture as to the outcome in such a contest of "proofs?"
It's really unfortunate that the west is stuck with dhimmi leaders who either do 'get it', but deny it, or they just dont 'get it' at all...But never fear, Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry will protect us. When they get done 'reasoning' with terrorists, we will all be safe...
Posted by: duh_swami
ofcourse you get it swami, i know you do!
as for polussy and kerry and conyers, they have stated their first order of business when they take control of congrees is to try to pass legislation to protect muslims from hate speech and acts of bigotry!
them poor muslims need protection in america
“Their first order of business when they take control of congrees is to try to pass legislation to protect muslims from hate speech and acts of bigotry!” thndrbang1
I sure hope they try, because that kind of exposure is exactly what we need to wake up even more people to the menace. After 230 + years of working towards equality for all, does anyone really think we are going to go retro and throw all that progress out, just to protect them? Aint gunna happen.
It just pisses me off so damn much. in the past two weeks the dhimmicrats have gone against the wishs and orders of president bush and traveled to syria and lebanon and iran to meet and make deals( surrender) to these terrorist and i havent seen a word of condemnation for these treasonous acts!
But every thing Bush or Blair tries to do to fight and defeat the terrorist they are instantly ,continuously and constantly insulted and condemned by those who should be supporting the only two men that are seeking to fight the terrorist!
It just pisses me off so damn much. in the past two weeks the dhimmicrats have gone against the wishs and orders of president bush and traveled to syria and lebanon and iran to meet and make deals( surrender) to these terrorist and i havent seen a word of condemnation for these treasonous acts!
LOL!
Naturally, they wouldn't have gotten approval from the State Department and poor Bush is totally unaware of their travels -- innocent victim that he is...
You are too funny -- you should replace Leno!
Once it becomes clear that the salesman cannot be trusted he has to find another line of work. Deception, when exposed, makes the deceiver a pariah. The public reaction to the Flying Phonies and other deceptive set-ups tells me that the public sees reality.
posted by Frank
The public is starting to react to a lot of things.
Anyone see the guy from CAIR on Fox News this morning? I don't know who the other guy was but he brought up CAIR's possible links with terror, etc. He was quite good and left the CAIR guy with his mouth flapping and his eyes shifting back and forth. Sort of looked like a fish.
They were discussing what Goode said.
The average sound-bite (is all the news I need) American, are accustomed to politicans calling each other every name in the book as just part of the way we play the game here. These strong objections to anything said against a Muslim is starting to ring some alarm bells.
Why does it bother them so if anyone speaks out against them???
We know the answer to that but there are many who still need to know.
Three years ago, when the shuttle exploded on entry, my housekeeper and I were watching TV on
Monday as they were frantically searching for parts of it. I commented that they really needed to find part of the Israeli astromaut to bury soon. She asked why. I said that Jews had very strict burial Laws. She looked at me in wonder and said "The Israelis have a Jewish astronaut?"
"I thought they were all Arabs" This woman is educated JR. College, 54 yrs old and told me the Iraq war was wrong AND SHE VOTED IN NOVEMBER!
We got alotta work to do folks.
witness wrote:
"Naturally, they wouldn't have gotten approval from the State Department and poor Bush is totally unaware of their travels -- innocent victim that he is.."
Are you attempting to imply that the State Department has to approve the international travels of our elected officials? Even if they DO approve them (not that it is required), it certainly does not act as insurance of what will be said or how those representatives behave in foreign lands. Kerry has already overstepped himself in recent days several times, and yes, Bush is fully aware of it, as are millions of other Americans that bother to turn on a TV set or read a newspaper.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/12/21/105956.shtml?s=ic
John Kerry is a traitor, a self-promoter on a par with Michael Moore and a pompous, lying, cowardly, ignorant windbag who wouldn't last long without his "sense of entitlement" and his riches -- or should I say, his wife's riches.
John Kerry is a traitor, a self-promoter on a par with Michael Moore and a pompous, lying, cowardly, ignorant windbag who wouldn't last long without his "sense of entitlement" and his riches -- or should I say, his wife's riches.
Yup! And that's just for openers!
Tony Blair is going off the deep end! He's really saying some bizzarre crap lately- It's like he's got a death wish and wants to secure his suicide by inciting Islam against him and his people. 'Talk with the terrorists'? Sure Tony, that's working just BRILLIANTLY for you- and has worked wonderfully in the past. psssst- Tony- 9/11 - AFTER all the talks and appeasements mind you- nuff said- enjoy your civil wars Tony old boy! http://sacredscoop.com
BnB are outta here faster than we can say boo.
I think it a great irony that those in the West who call for the so-called 'moderate' Muslims to mount a fight against their more ardent and literal brethren fall into the same quicksand that Mr. Blair has done. It is a trap.
By so doing, such persons become advocates of a version of a fake and unsustainable version of Islam. They become active promoters of something which is a perversion of Islam -- a watered down and hopeless falsity which will always falter in the face of the more aggressive, puritanical, and ruthless form which lurks like a monster in the Islamic creed.
Shilly shallying around this issue, putting forth arguments which forestall the inevitable war which must be fought against Muslims and Islam only allows their forces to muster more Jackboots, to foment more subversion and infiltration, to birth more soldiers for Allay, and to gain priceless footholds in our domain.
Why should we continue?
Allowing ourselves to be pulled further and further into Islam's rabit hole, into their funhouse of distorted realities is a fatal blunder on our part. Islam must be identified for the doctrine of war which it is -- and then it must be outlawed, as Nazi teachings or communist teachings were in their day.
It think the bog Blair has been drawn into is very little different from that which Daniel Pipes and others have been drawn into -- it is a fantasy construct whose cost of maintenance increases by the day -- at a cost already so prohibitive as to call into question our very survival for that cost.
Muslims are here in their millions. They practice their sedition freely and under the protections of rights which they would (and will) annihilate if (when) given the chance.
Muslims are engaged in sedition to bring about the destruction of everything we hold dear.
Muslims are collectively engaged in a nefarious war of obliteration against us.
We must state the facts. We must fight this enemy and destroy him.
I think it a great irony that those in the West who call for the so-called 'moderate' Muslims to mount a fight against their more ardent and literal brethren fall into the same quicksand that Mr. Blair has done. It is a trap.
By so doing, such persons become advocates of a version of a fake and unsustainable version of Islam. They become active promoters of something which is a perversion of Islam -- a watered down and hopeless falsity which will always falter in the face of the more aggressive, puritanical, and ruthless form which lurks like a monster in the Islamic creed.
Posted by: jsla
>>>you want to know something the sunni and wahabbi muslims hate worse than jews and nonmuslims?
shi ites!!!!
the shia muslims are considerted apostates thus are commanded by muhammad and allah to be killed!
during the shias 5 daily prayers, after every prayer they call for allah to curse aisha and hamsa and abu bakr!
"- and labeling Iran the main obstacle to hopes for peace."
Islam is the main obstacle to peace in the Middle East and the world. Blair instinctively must know this, but chooses not to state the obvious for fear of offending his audience.
The West has tried for the last 30 years to ignore the onslaught of Islam on other religions and free societies.
Hearing that the families of the soldier killed in the Khobar Towers bombing will now sue Tehran for supporting and funding the terrorists is a monumental leap forward in preventing future terrorist attacks.
The terrorist-sponsoring nations of the Middle East will pay for their jihad in either euros or their oil.
I just finished watching the DVD "Road to Guantanamo" and it's a propaganda film created
by the Muslims in Britian that were guilty
for going to Afghanistan for Jihad to protect the Taliban.
What was amazing was the mind set of the Muslims making the film , it starts out by infering they are following the calls by a Imam at a Mosque to defend their Brothers being attacked by the USA and other crusaders , so at first I see the group of men as innocent boys going to a wedding in Pakistan and make a free will choice to join the Talibans Jihad once they arrive in Pakistan .
But by the end of it you see them denying they
supported the Taliban and later repeated that in Gitmo Bay , then the film shows the men being presented with their criminal records from the UK and photos of them in the crowds for Osama speeches prior to 2001's 9/11 attack.
So basically they don't see their criminal records in the UK as relevant to establish
the mood for their belief that they are innocent victims of the Gitmo Bay detentions , but the film later shows them embracing the concept of Jihad to fight in Afghanistan and protect Osama so they actually cross into Afgn and get caught in the net after a severe bombing mission on a safe-zone that was no longer safe.
The Jihad-umentary had new clips from Al-Jezeera and the BBC which was cut and edited
into the film sets of Afgan and Cuba with Marines and all the cages and defacing of Qurans, the credits show the Iran was a partner
and the Film Co. was named after the area of England where these men came from.
It's pure propaganda to incite hatred to the west and fabricates abuse while blending Location sets and actors with video clips from TV news stories with a overt bias against the west , so after the film I had little sympathy for these hoodlums from the UK that had criminal records and chose to join the Taliban and when sent to Gitmo Bay we see the criminal past that they hid and then the Jihad mission they now deny.
A liar and weasel by any other name is still a weasel and Jihadists.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16240565/site/newsweek/
Tony...thanks for the support you have given us up til now, but with all due respect---you cannot negotiate with Islamists---they must be ANNIHILATED!!
Thanks to "ala-sux" (great moniker) for the info on "Road to Guantanamo"...a frightening example of the power of media when it gets in the hands of common street thugs!!
Much as we here in the U.S. lament the violence of such street gangs as Crips, Bloods, 18th Street and the imported Salvadoran and Mexican drug cartels...I fear far more for the European continent where a large number of the common street thugs are little more than foot soldiers for the coming Islamic caliphate that will engulf that continent if they do not awake from their Chamberlainesque slumber!!