And not just pride, but Churchillian pride. But he doesn't explain how he will do this, or how he intends to confront Islamic supremacism. From the Daily Mail, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Gordon Brown today signalled that his first task as Prime Minister would be to get Muslims to rally around a "Churchillian" pride in Britain.Finally admitting that he expected to take over from Tony Blair this year, the Chancellor said that he wanted to promote a "modern patriotism" as an alternative to Islamic extremism. Mr Brown said: "I believe we can do more to separate some Muslims from the dark forces that they can be susceptible to."
Good luck, Mr. Skywalker.
More special treatment and appeasement ought to do it!
Wow this guy is dreamer.
He dreams of changing people who want to drink blood, care a damn about democracy and freedom of right and people who will try to find reasons to incite violence if there is peace around.
Wow.
I wish him luck but feel sorry and frustrated at same time for my children/grandchildren in future.
It is likes Nazis were given freedom to grow thinknig hey they are good people. Well look what they did.
"Gordon Brown today signalled that his first task as Prime Minister would be to get Muslims to rally around a "Churchillian" pride in Britain."
Dude dream on.
For a less sceptical view, see this in the Times:
"Yesterday, Mr Brown compared the fight against Islamic extremism to the challenge of defeating communism as he spoke openly for the first time about the prospect of becoming prime minister.
He said that Islamic extremism had to be fought at all levels, "just as we learnt we had to fight communism at all levels".
"We are beginning to learn some of the lessons we had to learn during the Cold War — that to take on the opposing ideology we had to take on the extremists, but we had also to win over moderate opinion."
Does this mean that Gordon Brown endorses what Winston Churchill wrote about the Mohammedans?
What will he do when the MCB points this out about Sir Winston?Britain certainly has no Churchill, and the ironic thing is that Nick Griffin looks today what Sir Winston looked like in 1938 - warning of dangers that nobody wanted to listen to.
This makes no sense. Churchill did not inspire Nazis who happened to be living in Britain. German refugees from the Nazis, perhaps. So the task is to give space for Muslims to defect.
Launch a full-frontal rhetorical attack on the misogyny, incitement to Jihad warfare and and xenophopia in the canonical texts of Islam. Highlight how, specifically, Muhammad cannot be a useful role model for people today. Use the strength of your office to encourage the punishment of Islamic authorities who incite violence and sedition. Make it clear that Islamic law has no place in Britain, and give specific examples when you do which highlight the difference between Sharia and modern legal systems.
All it takes is one eloquent leader to do this, and Islam will be severely damaged.
"I believe we can do more to separate some Muslims from the dark forces that they can be susceptible to."
Use the force...Luke.
May the force be with you....
All we need now is bad prequels..
Hell Islamic madmen want a 7th century prequel!
A long time ago in a desert far, far away...
Osama would say something like...
"This technological marvel you have constructed is insignificant compared the power of The Force"
Learn from the mistakes of India.
To make these Muslims happy they will be given special rights and laws.
They will take it.
They will grow stronger.
And one day when time is right they will stab you in the back.
He will just postpone the threat not eliminate it.
That I hope he understands.
I’d argue that it is far more likely that the Muslims will get the British to take a Churchillian pride in Britain than visa versa.
Brown may believe he is inspired by Churchill, but I am sure if Churchill were alive today he would not feel inspired by Brown.
Consider the fact that Churchill openly stated that there is no stronger retrograde force in the world than Islam. While Brown publicly threatened to change the law when Nick Griffin was cleared of being a racist for saying that Islam was a wicked and evil faith.
Churchill went on to describe Islam:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.”
Clearly if Churchill were to make that comment today Brown’s would be the loudest voice calling for his head. Maybe Brown hasn’t read his Speeches by Churchill book in a while, or maybe he just thinks we haven’t. But the result is he looks like an unethical opportunist using the name of a great man in the hope that splendour may rub off on himself.
Read the comments in the Daily Mail. I'm glad to see that the scales are a fallin.
Brown made this stement while on a tour of India. I dont know, but he will likely be in Pakistan and Bangladesh next. So this is just electioneering, drumming up Muslim support, while striking a Churchillian posture for the Brit natives.
Brown, like his partner Blair, have been instrumental in placing Britain in jeopardy. Even the ordinary foot soldier in the British army is disgusted with both of them, and question their patriotism and good sense. This is a monumental change. The British army is one of the most disciplined forces in the world, and for them to question the PM, is truly earth shattering. Are they aware of what they have done? I'm sure they do, but as international socialists, thath was what they wanted anyway.
Good luck is right.
In the meantime, could you just stop islamic immigration? You know, just in case your pride power campaign doesn't work.
Posted by: Mert
While Brown publicly threatened to change the law when Nick Griffin was cleared of being a racist for saying that Islam was a wicked and evil faith.
Very good reminder
If Churchhill made those comments today he would probably be arrested for racist hate speech.
Is it illegal to hold up a sign saying "Stop muslim immigration?"
Whatever happened to the box on the corner?
Sounds a bit Chinchillian to me.
"Utopian in a negative meaning is used to discredit ideas as too advanced, too optimistic or unrealistic and impossible to realize. "
We in the UK are being sold this new product called 'Gordon Brown the Statesman'. He is being spun to us by every media outlet and he is on maximum charm overdrive.
The problem is, love him or hate him, Tony Blair had more charisma and a greater everyman appeal in his little finger than that this dour technocrat could ever dream of possessing.
Blair has shown an interest in the world around him while Brown has spent the last ten years scheming in his Treasury bunker with his sycophantic orcs hanging on his every word. Only now has Chancellor Sauron Brown emerged from his bunker.
I'd guess that around 70 per cent of the UK electorate does not want this disgusting man as its prime minister; and that a large percentage of that 70 per cent despise him.
He will need every Muslim vote; and I guess he will have to devise new ways of raising money in order to pay more jizya.
He will manage it: after all, he has spent a decade fiddling with the tax and benefit system in order to buy votes, and he has been successful.
Now watch him disassociate himself from the decision to invade Iraq...
The UK is, thanks to this sneaky little creep, almost bankrupt. It is taxed, regulated and geared to the hilt, and any competitive advantage the UK enjoyed at the start of the new millennium has all but evaporated.
And he expects people to believe that he, Sauron Brown, Lord of the Treasury, can defeat the Islamist menace?
What is this guy thinking??!! Lord have Mercy!!
Does Dracula wear a crucifix? Is Frankenstein a runway model? Do vampires hang out on the beach?
Vampires hang out in mosks and in madrassas.
And one day when time is right they will stab you in the back.
He will just postpone the threat not eliminate it.
That I hope he understands.
Posted by: Rajesh_singh
Yep. That's exactly what I think. I'm an average Joe German living in USA and even I can figure this out! I've heard Indians complain about the MoFoes before 911 and I wonder why none of our politicians have heard any such complaints.
Gordon Brown.....Poor, stupid, deluded, suicidal, masochistic, liberal fool....Someone should set up a charity fund in England so this poor man can get a brain implant operation. Where do these poor, sad souls come from?
But the result is he looks like an unethical opportunist using the name of a great man in the hope that splendour may rub off on himself.
- Mert
Come on Mert, we've all known for a long time now that Gordon was an unethical opportunist, probably since the day he first appear on the political landscape. But you are indeed correct, he is praying for some of Winston's awesome mantle to descend upon his shoulders. Lord knows, he needs help from some quarter, any quarter; the dour scot is despised from Land's End to John o' Groats, except for other like minded, closet Marxists, where his considerable achievments at wrecking the United Kingdom have been greatly appreciated. I am of course referring to the Guardianista happy class warrior types.
He'll get muslims to take Churchillian pride in Britain? I'm not sure if the so called leaders of the western world are really this stupid, or if they think we are stupid enough to believe these moronic statements they make. I for one am sick and tired of our leaders being idiots and treating us as if we are idiots just like them. Muslim pride in Britain... give me a freakin break, I'd have better luck teaching my cat to bark like a dog.
A.I. Steamroller
TOP SECRET.
Like most people, even most British people, you don't seem to understand how the political system works in the UK. If you did you'd realise that a brain implant is out of the question. It's a State secret, but I'm taking this opportunity to leak it:
On election to Parliament, all MPs are required to undergo a surgical procedure whereby the brain is removed and a pea inserted.
On appointment to Ministerial office, they are required to undergo a second surgical procedure to remove the pea as well.
Possession of anything at all inside the skull disqualifies a person from high office in the UK.
Some of us have long suspected that this procedure is followed in all the Western nations, but we think there is a possibility we are mistaken in the exceptional cases of Denmark and Australia.
There is a kind of sick, liberal racism on the Western left.
They just do not take brown and black people seriously as a group.
Islam may not be a race but it has protected minority status in the eyes of the Great White Civilizational Philantrhopists crowd.
They do not believe that brown and black people, or minorities, are capable of real thought or responsible for their actions.
Its like clinton blaming himself after office for not ending black poverty, as if it was a failing of his personal will.
And this Brown joker, he will have no problem getting the average Mohammud or Salim to sing kumbaya.
David Cameron answers questions on BBC and isn't much better than Brown.
David Cameron
quote
Q: Please, please please when - not if - you become prime minister, how are you going to tackle the problem with inflated migration to this country and the problem with no national growth? David Evans
A: Immigration is an important issue, which deserves calm and serious treatment and if possible some sort of consensus about the best way forward. In short, Britain benefits economically from immigration, but not all or any immigration. We've set out the kind of approach we would adopt, coupled with better enforcement methods like a border police. If you want more detail, have a look at the document Controlling Economic Migration which we published in November - it's on our website, Conservatives.com.
end quote
Rape in France:
Christiane Amanpour 60 Minutes text article
that Hugh commented on from other post
Paul J Cella Who really believes in Assimilation
I can't wait to see the first Churhillian Muslim? Isn't it amazing that Brown, like Bush, after ALL these years has not read a single Spencer book, Bat Yoer's Eurabia, Bruce Bawer's While Europe Slept?,...I mean, HOW do you avoid all that and be a leader of a European country? The shallowness of our leaders is astonishing. I don't expect it of the general public, but this guy, like Bush and his cabinet, that's their JOB! To be suspicious and seek out the facts why SO MANY people are called Islamophobes.
Political correctness and multiculturalism eat the brains, ears and eyes of politicians. Servier said Islam is the secretion of the Arab mind. I'm not sure what the secretion Brown emits is, but it sure does stink.
Appeasing Muslims to be patriotic? Well that is wishful thinking. It ain't going to happen
Hum, the Quran is a book of words other scholars tinker with, I'm sure tinkering with words is just the way to persuade them to being civilized.
It certainly works when they're convinced to wear a bomb vest for heavenly virgins ? Maybe if he should wear a bomb vest while making this sermon in a local mosque, they'll come crawling to the alter, begging to be civilized while establishing the electrical connections ?
Verdict from the Playground
More on Jade
"British society is dripping in racism, but no one is prepared to admit it
The foul-mouthed abuse on Big Brother shows how little we understand about prejudice, and the world judges us for it
Martin Jacques
Saturday January 20, 2007
The Guardian "
Guardian
Simon Heffer
Telegraph coverage of It
Blair's Legacy
"I'll get Muslims to take pride in Britain"
Thanks, Gordon Brown. I needed a laugh.
They won't be 'proud' of Britain until their Black Flag flutters over Downing Street, and Brits have converted, have fled, or cowering in their homes, or are massacred on the streets.
Disease. Filth. Hopelessness. Despair. Backwardness. Hatred. Corruption.
That's Islam. Why does he think he or any other infidel must earn anything from Muslims? Why does he think Britain should or can do anything to appease this unappeaseable monster of Islam?
The guy needs to be fired.
Huesain (his middle name) may be an appropriate name for Presidential candidate Obama. It seems that he has omitted several key facts from his biography. He apparently attended a wahabi driven Islamic school, and forgot to mention it in his bio. His father was a radical muslim from Kenya.
It seems that the Clintons have brought these facts forward now that Obama has thrown his hat in the ring.
Read all about it here.
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm
Many blogs and news sources are calling it a smear. But, maybe this is not the background we want for our country's leader. But one thing is clear, you need to watch your step when you run against Clinton or one of their cronnies. Remember how Al Gore pulled Willie Horton out of his pocket to smear Michael Dukakis. (forgive my spelling, but the fact is accurate.. it was Al Gore that first did that).
David Cameron vs. Gordan Brown
Its a smart off!
Who wins!
That I hope he understands.
Posted by: Rajesh_singh at January 19, 2007 06:51 PM
I would bet this guy has the usual delusional misconceptions that muslims are radical because they are "marginalized", or they are unhappy about "foreign policy", or some other equally invalid excuse; he hasn't a clue that islam is the culprit and there is no solution to the muslim problem. But never fear, the multi-culti politicians will never tire of offering excuses for these malcontents, and innovative solutions to "integrate" them. The only solution that will solve the problem---getting rid of them---will never be considered. I wish I could figure out what is so damned wonderful about muslims in the eyes of politicians; what is their magnetic appeal to sympathetic, bleeding heart politicians who are supposed to be looking out for the best interests of all citizens, not just the members of an intransigent, implacable, arrogant, supremacist minority group.
The rhetoric is really heating up in America over the new season of 24; the muslims are going berserk. They just can't understand why this incredibly popular television program depicts muslims as terrorists. CAIR has dispatched an army of minions to the cable news channels to air their self-righteous indignation at the despicable unfairness of Fox and 24, and to express their concern for "innocent" muslims living in America and the inevitable backlash they will suffer at the hands of racist Americans. The CAIR jerk on O'Reilly tonight was livid about an upcoming 24 episode that depicts muslims living in America being put in internment camps and "tortured." Maybe if they see imaginary muslims being herded into internment camps they will realize that they are not invincible. It's hilarious the way they whine about backlash, islamophobia, and stereotyping. They want to be hated and feared so they can make more demands and win more lawsuits. Muslims are disgusting, whining, wimps. You can bet CAIR will be very busy inventing new hate crimes to report to the FBI. They are far too prominent in the news; people are sick of hearing their incessant gripes. There are many, many more important and compelling issues to discuss and worry about than the plight of muslims in America.
Sure when Mr. Brown beheads all the infidels including the Queen, blows up all the Churches and changes the name of Britain to Musland, I am certain that he can rule the few million remaining Muslims from a cell they have him locked in.....before they execute him.
Muslims hate Churchill as he killed loads of them and kept them all under British rule so why would they ever take Churchillian Pride.
So comforting Tony's twin is as bright as Tony was.
These people will be taking pride alright, in enforcing Sharia on unsuspecting Britons. Just think of how proud they will be when they can stone a few punk rockers or cut off an opposite hand and foot of, say, the Guiness salesman down at the local pub.
Gordon Brown should ask himself two questions.
The first is: why Muslims? Why is it, of all the various immigrants who have arrived in the United Kingdom, Chinese Christian or Confucian, Hindus from India or Indonesia or East Africa, black Africans from Nigeria, or Ghana, or Kenya, or Tanzania, Indians from the Andes, Poles or Russians or Armenians, or any others, it is only the Muslims who appear to have this peculiar trouble with integrating, this seeming irreducible inability to offer heartfelt loyalty, or even express any interest in, the legal and political institutions, and history of the United Kingdom, and those who inhabited it for the past several millennia.
The second is: why Muslims everywhere? Why is it that not only in the United Kingdom, but also in France and Germany, in Italy and Spain, in Belgium and the Netherlands, in Denmark and Sweden and Norway, that governments everywhere find that Muslims present the same problems, the same loyalty offered only to fellow Muslims, members of the umma al-islamiyya, and everywhere make demands, outrageous demands, for changes in the legal, political, and social arrangements, the laws and customs and institutions, that everyone else accepts and that reflect slow progress, achievements attained over centuries by the non-Muslim populations of the various European countries?
What is it that makes Muslims different from all other immigrant groups, many of them quite alien, bearing alien creeds -- alien but not, as with Islam, an alien and a hostile creed?
And what is it that makes Muslims such a problem, so that their large-scale presence has everywhere in Infidel lands created conditions that are far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous for the Infidel population than would be the case without such a large-scale presence?
Answers to #1 and #2 must be given. Now, or later. Better now.
"We are beginning to learn some of the lessons we had to learn during the Cold War — that to take on the opposing ideology we had to take on the extremists, but we had also to win over moderate opinion."
-- a quote from Gordon Brown, in the article above.
This word "moderate" needs to be looked at.
Those who wish to consider the usefulness of that word, and the seeming comfort it provides, may find it useful to google "Ten Things To Think When Thinking About Moderate Muslims" and "Hugh Fitzgerald," an aricle that appeared at JW.
9/11 could have been a network of several hundred lunatics.
The reaction of CAIR makes me know there is a larger problem.
Gang rapes can be carried out by psychopaths of all backgrounds.
The reaction of the parents makes me know there is a larger problem.
From France: When the verdicts came down in this case, the courthouse turned into a madhouse. Eighteen teenagers were convicted of raping a 15-year-old girl over a two-month period. But what really shocked France was how the mothers of those boys reacted.
“You call this justice, seven years in prison for some oral sex,” says one mother. “It's the girl who should be behind bars.”
GrimReaperxxx
I think it would be a mistake and wrong to pounce on Obama for anything other than concealing the facts. That shows a character flaw. A tactical mistake to be sure.
What is wrong with being born to a Muslim father who sent you to a Muslim school?
The reason America is the greatest experiment in freedom the world has known is because people are not judged by their orgin or that of their father.
If Obama learned things at the Madrassa that will make him a more effective opponent of the Sharia than that would be a good thing.
He seems to have rejected Islam and maybe the reasons why are important.
Maybe with a part Muslim background he can deal more effectively in bringing other to his life choice of being a Westerner, which he is.
Guilliani took on the Italian mob with a fury and his Italian background helped him.
Lets wait and see and give th eguy a chance. Thats the American way.
And by the way, any questions as to if Hillary is a hypocritical opportunist?
Mr Brown said: "I believe we can do more to separate some Muslims from the dark forces that they can be susceptible to."
The "dark forces" being, of course, the literal interpretation of Islam.
So pray tell, Mr. Brown, how are you going to separate Muslims from the Qur'an?
tokyobk,
Obama hasn't spoken out against Islam, he is just hiding his affiliation with it. That is not a good thing. Hillary is of course making good use of it...
Sheik:
Obama should be treated as any politician who hides any info for any reason.
I do not see any reason yet to believe that he has hidden this because of a fondness for Islam. It could even be the opposite, a kind of shame.
If Obama is a supporter of Sharia or an apologist in any way for it, I will vote for his opponent.
Until the time when we know for sure what his positions are I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and, at the very least, not prejudge him for his middle name or his father`s religion.
"I'll get pigs to fly !"
How dare he cite one of the greatest Prime Ministers we ever had. It's totaly out of context...I bet you've heard that before.
Winston Churchill stood up to the Nazis.We
have a government of Multi-cultural Chamberlains.
After, the Jade vs. Shilpa debacle we'll all be rounded up and shot if we utter critism against Brown people anyway. Must go I can hear loud knocking at my door!
Cannot do a link but search the speech Gordon Brown made at the "Muslim News" awards for excellence on 23 April 2005.
Very long - but he thanks Muslims for their contribution to Britain’s economy and reminds them that Labours first action on coming to power was to scrap the restrictions on overseas marriages which discriminated against them.
Churchill also said:
'What the horn is to the rhinoceros, what the sting is to the wasp, the Mohammedan faith is to the Arab'.
Usually about 90% of Muslims vote Labour, so obviously it is in the government's interest to have as many of them here as possible.
Once again, it's a case of putting short-term, short-sighted interest before long-term security and survival of the country.
Doesn't Gordon Brown realize that when Muslims get numerous enough, they will elect their own Muslim Party MP's? The Respect Party is already a sort of Muslim Party in embryo.
Usually about 90% of Muslims vote Labour, so obviously it is in the government's interest to have as many of them here as possible.
Once again, it's a case of putting short-term, short-sighted interest before long-term security and survival of the country.
Doesn't Gordon Brown realize that when Muslims get numerous enough, they will elect their own Muslim Party MP's? The Respect Party is already a sort of Muslim Party in embryo.
Winston Churchill described Islam's Koran as "the Mein Kampf of War."
"We are beginning to learn some of the lessons we had to learn during the Cold War — that to take on the opposing ideology we had to take on the extremists, but we had also to win over moderate opinion."
-- a quote from Gordon Brown, in the article above.
How rich is this? I don't know much about Gordon's background, but I very much doubt that Gordon Brown has anything in common with the men and women who shaped and implemented the policies that resulted in the West's ultimate victory in the Cold War.
I dare say that the Cold War was won in spite of people like Gordon, not because of them.
Tokyobk wrote:
"I think it would be a mistake and wrong to pounce on Obama for anything other than concealing the facts. That shows a character flaw. A tactical mistake to be sure. What is wrong with being born to a Muslim father who sent you to a Muslim school?"
The jury is out, but Obama has a second major flaw. Obama is a democrat.
What a poor, misguided fool he is. He is trying to bring the two camps together, by hook or by crook.
His means to bring the indegenous camp closer to the middle is by force and not by enticement. Luckily, his force was a farce when Labour attempted to lance freedom of speech in Britain. One vote would have secured the amendments to the Religious Hatred Bill...Tony Blair's. Unfortunately for Tony, he didn't know that and left Westminster before the votes were cast.
Too bad Tony. Too bad Gordon.
MASSIVE VICTORY FOR US!!!
http://godhelpbritain.blogspot.com/2007/01/massive-victory-for-freedom-of-speech.html
Separating Muslims from the dark forces....?
Mr. Brown, you can change crows into peacocks, make the sun to rise in the west, but separating Muslims from the "dark forces" is an impossibility....unless.... you are thinking of forcible conversions of all other Britons to Islam.
"We are beginning to learn some of the lessons we had to learn during the Cold War — that to take on the opposing ideology we had to take on the extremists, but we had also to win over moderate opinion."
-- from Gordon Brown in the article above
During the Cold War, Gordon Brown claims, "to take on the opposing ideology we had to take on the extremists, but we had also to win over moderate opinion."
Which "extremists" are those? Stalin and Mao? And which exemplars of "moderate opinion" were apppealed to? Was it Khrushchev and Brezhnev?
During the Cold War the instruments of warfare included propaganda designed to limit the appeal of the enemy ideology -- not "extremist" Communism but Communism tout court. And it was those within the Soviet Union, the most thoughtful people, who, realizing the failure of Communism on its own terms (to offer a more just and more prosperous society), only in part because of relentless outside pressure, ended the central role of the Central Committee and the self-discredited Communist Party.
Victory in the Cold War was not defined as replacing the "extremists" within Soviet Communism by those of "moderate opinion," for had it been "victory" would have been achieved when Stalin died, and Malenkov and Bulgarin no longer ruling, and "moderate" Khrushchev in power. But Khrushchev was followed by the 18-year regime of Brezhnev, and it was only after that, when Gorbachev, advised by Aleksandr Yakovlev, and then Yeltsin, and many others, together ended the rule not of the "extremists" but even that of those Communists of "moderate opinion," that the Cold War could be said to have been won.
Brown should be forced to explain his analogy -- to explain that is, how he intends to bring Muslims of "moderate opinion" to power in Saudi Arabia and Iran and Sudan and elsewhere, and to keep them there, and also how he intends to do the same for the now-obviously deeply unsettling adn menacing Muslim population within Great Britain.
To what passages in a text-centered belief-system will he, Gordon Brown, appeal? And how much of the Qur'an, how much of the Hadith, how much of the life of the exemplary Muhammad, will Gordon Brown, Islam expert, have to teach 1.8 million Muslims to ignore, and to permanently ignore, and to make sure that their children and grandchildren also ignore, and that none or few of them ever relapse, ever take a peak at what is, Gordon Brown will discover, the real and true Islam, the Islam that divides the world uncompromisingly between Believer and Infidel, the Islam that divides the land mass of the world between Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb and requires a state of war to exist permanently between them (though does not always require open warfarewhen the Muslim side is too weak, and would be harmed, by conducting such operations).
How will Gordon Brown, how will others who think dreamily like Gordon Brown, perform this trick, this Party Trick that has not the slightest chance of success, that ignores both the doctrine, and the observable practice of Muslims wherever they may be found, today, and for the past 1350 years, years of Jihad-conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims, stopped only by countervailing and more powerful military force.
Re: Brown: I'll get Muslims to take pride in Britain
As the old saying goes, "wishes are not fishes". Jihad reality requires the kind of response that Churchill advocated with Hitler in the 1930's. At that time, Churchill said "Hitler must be destroyed" and saw the sword as the only practical means to that end. Churchill realized Hitler only understood force.
After WW2 German General Halder said that during the Munich crisis in 9/1938 the German military leadership wished that Britain would listen to Churchill and take military action against Germany. Halder said that a coup against Hitler was planned if Britain took such action because Germany was not prepared for war. However, Hitler reassured the German General Staff that Chamberlain would prove to be "a worm" and give in to Hitler's demands. Thus what would have been an easy victory for England in 1938 became a brutal war of over 5 years after September 1, 1939, when Hitler attacked Poland (as Churchill predicted he would in consequence of Hitler's victory at Munich in 1938).
Wishful thinking is as dangerous and as treacherous as a "Muslim" friend while Reality is often an unpleasant fellow, but trustworthy and reliable. Reality is Churchillian pride and the willingness to use force against Hitler. Wishful thinking is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Neville_Chamberlain2.jpg
Talking about the big brother fighting, a BBC reporter said If you put a group of people together from different cultural backgrounds and force them to live together you are going to get fighting.
Exactly.
Deception is systemic in Islam and is rooted in the "war is deception" credo of Mohammad. There is no way Muslims can be trusted. Non-Muslims in America and elsewhere are influenced by religions (Christianity, e.g.) that condemn hypocrisy-deception. However, we must never project on Muslims those non-Muslim beliefs that have influenced most non-Muslims (even unbelievers), or consider that anyone influenced by Muslim culture believes hypocrisy-deception is universally evil. (This reality was impressed on me by the flying-phonies-US-Air stunts and the CAIR deceptions that followed.) This "religion" is as deceitful and as hypocritical as Hitler was at Munich in 1938. That is reality.
In the long run (contrary to the hopes of folks like Robert) I do not think Islam is reformable because of the deception DNA introduced into the belief-system by Mohammad. Such "reforms" will prove to be yet another Muslim hustle of the Kaffirs. Only a catastrophe will bring Muslims to reality. One day, they will attack Israel with nuclear weapons, and Israel will respond by devastating Mecca, Medina and much of the Muslim Mideast. That reality will turn the "war is deception" credo to ashes. Meanwhile, persuasion and reason will prove to be a pipe dream re Muslim "reform".
Churchill knew what was required re Hitler. That realistic approach will be what will end Muslim deception and violence.
Hold on a minute. Gordon Brown is one of the most devious politicians alive today. I think he's throwing a sop to those concerned about muslim immigration and terrorism.
His plan is this: gain popularity at all costs;
say something that will sound like tough, patriotic talk to the indigenous brits and use the name of Churchill (who was voted the greatest Britain of all time) to summon up pictures of defiance and determination in the face of totalitarianism; at the same time, say something that sounds 'inclusive' to the muslims; ultimate aim, do nothing serious to prevent the islamization of UK; in fact, try to benefit from it by setting up Sharia finance and make UK an important centre for Sharia finance; never mind about the ultimate fate of Britain, it can go hang for all Gordon cares.
"But Gordon, it's complete baloney - muslims don't want to be british," remarks his advisor. "I know that," replies Gordon, "I just need to say something that sounds good, or at least reasonable, to both sides. That way I'll be liked by more people and we can just carry on the farce."
This slimey bureaucrat cannot be trusted. Period.
Look out Gordon, we're onto you.
Poll results give some further indication of the degree to which Brown’s proposal departs from reality in Britain: See this
Some excerpts:
*[Note: That is, one in four agreed to the idea that ‘Britain is my country.” –Arch]
The man is a bigger idiot than i thought...is
that possible ?
He is the most hated man in the U.K. and if he
becomes the P.M. ( unelected ) he will be the shortest running ever.
He would sell his granny for votes.
Sure he will.
That is, once he's gotten rid of all those pesky 55 million non-Muslims stinking up the place.
If Obama is a supporter of Sharia or an apologist in any way for it, I will vote for his opponent.
Posted by Tokyobk
What if he is a stealth muslim who intends to keep his real affiliations and loyalties secret until he is elected? He describes his mother as "spiritual" but not religious; she is usually referred to as an atheist in articles I have read about the family. His father was putatively a "non-practicing" muslim. Who knows?
Obama has risen too fast to fame. He is not qualified to be president, regardless of his religion or lack thereof. Obama has a talent for vocalizing insipid platitudes with great passion, creating the illusion that he actually said something profound. He doesn't impress me in the least, nor does his voting record and his public stance on the issues. Like Tony Blair and Bill Clinton, he is a gifted, charismatic speaker who has the ability to make people think he is brimming with compassion and sincerity, a champion of the "less fortunate." The fact that he is half black enhances his appeal to the far left, although he is an atypical example of a black American.
I don't know what Obama really thinks or believes but if he does support sharia and is a closet muslim, do you think he would ever admit it while he's running for president? Almost all politicians claim to respect and even admire islam, but they all know that the American people would never elect a practicing muslim president. Hillary is an evil, Marxist witch, but she has had close ties with islamic scum over the years and doesn't mind taking their money or touting their non-existent virtues. She was the first one to raise the red flag on Obama's islamic connections. Shows what dishonest, opportunistic hypocrites they all are. Neither Hillary nor Obama are fit for the presidency.
Hugh - I've copy/pasted your 12:31 comment into the comments on a site in the UK. I've credited it to you, here on JW.
Hope you don't mind. It's just that it said something I wanted to say, only you said it better than I can.
Thank you.
http://godhelpbritain.blogspot.com/
On election to Parliament, all MPs are required to undergo a surgical procedure whereby the brain is removed and a pea inserted.
On appointment to Ministerial office, they are required to undergo a second surgical procedure to remove the pea as well.
Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan at January 19, 2007 08:22 PM
Sir Henry Morgan,
LOL! That is too funny! :)
A few more bombings of populous London sites will show Mr. Brown the true meaning of Muslim pride in Britain. The enemy is well entrenched within the gates and Brown believes he can transform them into patriotic citizens.
Why does another stooge follow another stooge in Britain? Can British posters please tell me when a major democratic happening will take place there that can overthrow these decadent imposters for statesmen. Chuchill! None of them could lick the boots of Churchill or have a micro speck of his courage.
On another subject: Suppose Obama said:
" I could not live in good conscience as a Mulsim. A theology based on division and hatred against non Muslims imposed by close minded clerics was force fed to me as a young boy in Indonesia. This may not have been the true meaning of Islam but what was fed to me was something I had to reject personally. Christianity was a much better expression of my religious personna."
However in addition to the offerings of the Koran there is a fourth option which the BNP believes is the correct one to choose. Let Muslims do whatever they like in their own lands, amongst their own kind and we in the West will not interfere in their domestic affairs BUT in return those who cannot accept our laws, liberties and respect our culture and traditions have no place here in the ancient homelands of our own kinfolk. Not a single concession must be made, not a single planning application for a new mosque or Islamic community centre, not a single yielding to threats from “extremists” or blackmail from “moderates”.
-from the British National Party site
Here is a different view than Mr. Browns. Which one would you vote for?
Briars, if Obama really said that, I would have to respect him for it but it wouldn't change my mind about his qualifications for the presidency. He is a far left Democrat and I do not relate to them in any way, shape or fashion. In addition to being a left-winger, he lacks both the experience and credentials to be president. He's smart, well educated, certainly well spoken, but entirely too full of himself. Youthful hubris might facilitate eventual greatness, but he's not great yet. A little humility is more the order of the day for Mr. Obama.
As for Mr. Brown or the BNP, I would have to agree with the BNP all the way. I wish every Western country would take the BNP's stance immediately! And there is nothing racist, islamophobic, or bigoted about it; it's a simple, fair, common sense plan for survival.
4 Words: GORDON BROWN IS DELUSIONAL!!!
Answers to #1 and #2 must be given. Now, or later. Better now.
Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 20, 2007 12:31 AM
The answer to your question Hugh is Simple.
Koran and Islam teaches hatred.
The others you talk of like the Chinese, Hindus, indians, jews have no such book based on to guide them towards hate and to them integration means integration becasue it offers them a better way of life. They understand that UK has given them a better quality of life, growth and integration is ways of expressing gratitude and thankfulness.
But to muslims,integration means infiltration for jihad later. Hell if they dont have a enemy to fight,the fight amongst themselves like animals(sunni-shia). Can blame them. After all if the holy book of a particular religion teaches hates hate and hate only what can they do.
Their way of expressing gratitude and thankfulness is by beheading the people of the country that has given them better way of life.
Re Tokyobk's comments about Barak Obama - what an excellent example of the liberal pathology that is killing us. Here we are, in the midst of a battle for our very civilizational survival against Islam, a battle that may last for decades, and in the face of discovering that the much lauded Barak Obama was raised Muslim and schooled in a Wahabbi madrassah, we are asked to evaluate him purely as an individual because that's what liberalism enjoins us to do. We are to listen only to what he actually says in his public pronouncements and to give no weight whatsoever to his cultural upbringing and background because that would be discriminatory and un-American. I have no way of knowing what his current beliefs about Islam are but the fact that he has pretty much concealed the facts of his upbringing would argue against the idea that he is prepared to come out fighting publicly against that ideology (or to take the kind of radical steps that are needed to secure our civilization, like prohibiting Muslim immigration to the west). Moreover, even if he is a Christian convert, there is that little matter of "filial piety" that Hugh incessantly points out and which could be assumed to mean that he would not be averse to keeping an open door and ear to any number of spokesmen for the Islamic cause in America. The notion that we are required to merely view Obama as an individual, divorced from his upbringing, while considering whether to elect him to the highest office in the free western world, especially at this pivotal historical juncture, is ludicrous. And I don't care whether Hillary Clinton is being opportunistic in disposing of him thusly. He needs to be disposed of. As a nation, we are not required to live with the uncertainty of how his upbringing might possibly impact upon the kinds of critical decisions he would be required to make as president.
Caroline:
I have little faith in the so called American two party political system. I am speaking in theory only. Obama is an apostate, a Dougie Hooper in reverse. You've been on this site long enough to know what an apostate's fate is to Muslim fundamentalists. It is probably not a flag that Obama wants to wave.
What better person then an apostate to know the misgivings of Islam and the Muslim delusional mindset. I have learned more from Ali Sina about the workings of the enemy's mind and Dougie Hooper and his CAIR cohorts would be cut apart by him so they do not debate him. The apostates are far better theological debaters because they were immersed in the brainwashing of Islam. They know the ins and outs, the tricks of deception. If Obama had the courage to use his knowledge to defend the country against the Islamic threat, he would be much more valuable than a Hilly Clinton or a George Bush who know very little about what we are up against.
Briars - fair enough. When Barak Obama starts talking about Islam like Ali Sina does, then I'll reconsider.
Attention : American.Western Politicians.
Learn from mistakes from India and do not repeat it .
For years the ,Bangladeshis have been ,migrating ( illegally) in India . Certain politicians encouraged it becasue for them it was a voote bank. Taking advantage of this, the Islamic mullahs secretly but slowly have increased in numbers and now influence the vote during elections(and deny violence even thought its obvious).
A certain poilitical party in India, denounced this and asked all illegal immigrants to be deported becasue it seemed obvious this was a national threat.They were called RACISTS and Non secular.The same is happeing to you. If you oppose the wrong thnig, you are RACist but they openly call for jihad and still termed as moderate muslims.
Have you ever seen a big Muslim rally because of their suicide bombers killed innoncent people.
But do a little security check on them at the airport and they suddenly have the time and voice to protest as if someone was killed.
But politicians either ignored it unkowingly or for sake of power vote bank.
Today this small threat is ballooned up into a big one as these people are bieng used by jihdists to recruit and create mayhem in India because they just cannot see the econmic growth as well as democratic values flourishing.
Today this minority is no longer a minority and threat.
For temporary political gains,the national threat was bieng breeded and now has started rearing its ugly head
Your UK/American politicians are repeating the same mistake. They are allowing future potetnial national threat by allowing free immigration for Muslims,justifying it as politcally correct and secularism.
First step: Stop immigration. I will suffer myself as a result of this because although I am a hindu,my skin color and looks can be easily mistaken for a muslim. But still I support total immigration laws or else you are just digging your own grave.
We need to understand one thning. Islam hate all non Muslims and for them the only way out is to kill them. How can one reason with someone like that.
I am sorry to say but you Westerners are people who live in different world and have no idea how much hate these muslims have for you. I have met Muslims in your country (who have mistaken me to be muslim and thius opened out to me) who would like nothnig but to harm and damage and probably kills peoplewithout thinkinig twice.I remmber once i was walking on the road in Montreal and a group of Guys asked me why i never visit the mosque or donate for islamic causes. They were under impression that I was a muslim. The moment they came to know I was a hindu,they changed their words and said they were just kidding and not serios. But deep below I knew it was not that
Stop Immigration . (Even though others may also suffer although they have done no wrong). If they want sharia law and islamic state ask them to stay in one and not make one of your country.
I hope you guys understand the extent of hatred they have for you.STOP IMMIGRATION. You are allowing the enemy to enter and take up positions before attacking someday.