1938 Alert: "World War III has already begun, says Israeli spy chief," from AFP, with thanks to all who sent this in:
A third World War is already underway between Islamic militancy and the West but most people do not realize it, the former head of Israel’s intelligence service Mossad said in an interview published Saturday in Portugal.‘We are in the midst of a third World War,’ former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy told weekly newspaper Expresso.
‘The world does not understand. A person walks through the streets of Tel Aviv, Barcelona or Buenos Aires and doesn’t get the sense that there is a war going on,’ said Halevy who headed Mossad between 1998 and 2003.
‘During World War I and II the entire world felt there was a war. Today no one is conscious of it. From time to time there is a terrorist attack in Madrid, London and New York and then everything stays the same.’
Violence by Islamic militants has already disrupted international travel and trade just as in the previous two world conflicts, he said.
Halevy, who was raised in war-time London, predicted it would take at least 25 years before the battle against Islamic fundamentalist terrorism is won and during this time a nuclear strike by Islamic militants was likely.
25 years? How optimistic. Why will a 1,400-year-old conflict be wrapped up in 25 years?
Why will a 1,400-year-old conflict be wrapped up in 25 years?
maybe a gas and oil replacement get invented and no more money gets sent to the sowdis. l am being very optimistic here, l to can wish.
Mr. Spencer,
Sir, I only hope and pray that it is as brief as 25 years, though in my mind I think I agree with you.
There's no democratic solution to this problems and therefore the only solution is that govts have to see the crime in the quran and all the other books.
Only then we can overcome that threat.
How strange that Halevy said the war would take 25 years to win. I've got a book about Nostradamus (copyrighted 1999) that says Nostradamus predicted a war with Islam that would start in late 2002 and last 26 years.
He also said that France and Italy would fall within 5 years of the start of the war. That's not entirely true either, but still, it's kind of creepy.
"How strange that Halevy said the war would take 25 years to win. I've got a book about Nostradamus (copyrighted 1999) that says Nostradamus predicted a war with Islam that would start in late 2002 and last 26 years.
He also said that France and Italy would fall within 5 years of the start of the war. That's not entirely true either, but still, it's kind of creepy.
Posted by: Goob"
Hmmmm, interesting, Goob.
Just wondering if Nostradamus could have been referring to "Eurabia".
I would think this war started well before 2002. Maybe the first attack on the World Trade Centre could have been the starting point - even earlier perhaps?
Re: ‘We are in the midst of a third World War,’ Efraim Halevy.
During the American Civil war General Sherman moved across the Old South and devastated everything in his path, had his army rip up rail lines and rap them around trees ("Sherman's bow-ties") and burned Atlanta to the ground. He made sure that the secessionists knew that "war is hell". He thought it was necessary to so devastate the Old South that slavery and secession would die forever in America. He said that only such devastation would clinch the argument so the elite of the Old South would never ever again attack the indivisible Union. And so it was. He devastated the Old South.
In this conflict the non-Muslim world and many Muslims still believe that reason will prevail. They are not realistic.
Frank
I agree,
we are at war, but not many have realized that yet.
Islam is preparing for the big strike. In my everyday's observation I can even see that their enthusiasm is getting bigger day by day.
We go a cristal clear message, still so much disbelieve among the kafirs, until they will act it out to its full extent.
It says something positive and hopeful about humans that many non-Muslims and Muslims are in denial about the permissions to deception, the permissions to violence that are coded into the DNA of Islam. This belief-system is not like the other belief systems in that the Universal application of the Golden Rule is not its DNA code. "Islam must dominate" is central in its DNA.
That's unpleasant.People don't like to think about unpleasant things.
Islam will not reform until enough Muslims die. A butcher's bill will have to be paid by us in this conflict. The question still remains - do it now cheaply or pay more later?
Are we kafirs?
The description of kafir below and leaving out the context with islam can serve as a mirror for many in the west.
... Kafir is an Arabic word meaning an unbeliever, a person who hides, denies, or covers the truth. In cultural terms, it is a derogatory term used to describe an unbeliever ...
Arnie-
Even folks like Robert still have hope. They think that the facts will clinch the argument. I'm more of the Efraim Halevy school of thought on this about what will clinch the argument. In the end, just as there will be no bowing to Hitler's Berlin in the future, there will be no bowing to Mohammed's Mecca in the future because of the destruction both brought to their lands.
Yeah, we can drift back to the past, and be optimistic of the future, but the facts are in the reporting. When I hear insurgence, I hear the Pentagon, when I hear extremist, I hear the truth. In between, is the word "Money". The Pentagon wants money, the extremist want money and the so-called "insurgents" want money. Where are they getting it from; you guessed it; the United States; the poor "damned tax-payers" of the United States !
Russia is making the explosives, and the U.S. cleans-up the mess ! It's not rocket science, it's Business 101 !
"In my everyday's observation I can even see that their enthusiasm is getting bigger day by day."
Posted by: Arnie
Yes, over here too.
Frank posted, inter alia:
"In this conflict the non-Muslim world and many Muslims still believe that reason will prevail. They are not realistic. Eventually, as Mr. Halevy notes, there will be nuclear attacks (probably simultaneously) all over the world that will bring a day of reckoning to Mecca and the Mideast. That will clinch the argument re the need for reform of the belief-system."
Frank, I wish I could agree with you regarding clinching the argument re the need for reform of the belief-system, but I just don't.
Further, I don't think that anything, even global nuclear, chemical and biological atacks, will alter the mindset of either the leadership or the PC intelligentsia that seem to hold so much sway in Western countries.
In my view, nothing will make them realise that Islam itself is the problem. To them, it will forever be but a few violent misinterpreters of the religion of peace who are causing the trouble.
To do otherwise would be to destroy their own belief system.
"‘The world does not understand"
.....Islam is giving us a crash course...it is a blast!........
For the Islamic people the the Word war 3 began many years ago in Palsetine,Kashmir,Chechnya and other places and Sept 11 and Mumbai,Spain,London bombing were a proff of this.
They have been planning, spreading propoganda and and recruiting long back and the the countries like Iran, Saudi,Pakistan and other militant Islamic nations probbably have had their secret meeting of conspiracy long back before we non muslims even realised it.
We the Non muslims ,that is Jews,Hindus,Christians and others have not yet realised it and think it is small minority of people and have not united yet.
The day we unite ,it will send cold shivers down their spines. Till then with each small vicotry in jihad by means of terrorism they will grow in numbers and confidence.
And if have to survive this fanatic, non tolerant culture and live in peace in harmony it ie very important we regroup and rataliate with all our might and crush the frankenstein numbers sooner than later.
And how exactly are things going to get better for any non-Muslims at this rate?
We have Muslims in greater numbers and propinquity now then we ever had before 9-11 -- and if that didn't wake us up, I guess it's no exaggeration anymore that almost nothing will. Instead it has created a climate of fear where the self-absorbed Hollywood elite come out in desperate attack upon our own leaders, especially the President, even when he is trying to do the right thing without himself having the courage and/or wisdom to confront this Islamic evil head-on.
Even here at Jihad Watch we dance around the damn issue too much.
Even at 910 Group it's the same. Dance, dance, dance.
No wonder that people see Muslims gaining more brash confidence!
During World War I & II and almost every conflict in history for that matter, wars have been fought between uniformed soldiers -- but this modern war is one of attrition and ideologies, terrorism, politics, propaganda, espionage and fear. The Islamists view the rest of us a cattle to either be killed, "reverted" or enslaved. Nothing more. So they will not shirk from breaking our economies, dragging us down into the mud with their own "civilizations", killing our innocents and murdering our soldiers while wearing no uniforms or the uniforms of our allies to do it.
How the hell Iran is not being officially charged with a Declaration of War from the United States right now is the real question! Could you imagine in 1939 if the American people had found out that Japanese or Nazi spies were responsible for the deaths of American GIs -- what the response then would have been? It would have been no less than what happened after Pearl Harbor. And yet, here we are in 2007, debating whether it is ok to even kill the bastards that are responsible for killing our boys and girls overseas and far worse, and even more likely planning attacks upon Americans abroad and here on American soil!
I'm sick to death of this cowardly behavior. It's time for the truly civilized world to start to come to grips with the fact that Islam is a threat beyond reason, and that we can no longer continue this charade that we can some how get along with Muslims because the "majority are peaceful." What a laugh that is.
There is not an hour on this planet that goes by that there is not a Muslim carrying out a crime or terrorist act against a non-Muslim because he believes in Islam!
The war is here. Own the fact that a lot of us are not going to see the end of another three decades because of Islam and the reality might -- might -- start to set in: that if we are going to die, let's do it smartly and do it forcing Islam into the corner where it belongs, removing it from our shores sooner rather than later, and above all, start talking turkey about what this massive cult really is about, has caused for the world in thirteen hundred years of turmoil, bloodshed and strife and what it plans for our futures. If we refuse to believe that human beings are capable of evil enmasse because of a gigantice lie such as Islam, then we are truly doomed to fail as a civilized species.
(Now, if this bit gets edited off the comments, then we're already done for.)
Foehammer, out.
Simple solutions:
1 bomb Mecca - no Mecca, no Imam Mahdi, since this is where Iran says he is to appear
2 Order our troops - shoot to kill ANY threat
3 Kick out ANY islamist that threatens our government OR citizens in any way and close any mosque that is found to teach (even on one occasion) jihad or sharia law. Close down the mosque and turn it into a center for the homeless.
4. Start using water-cell engines and stop buying oil from the ME
5 Stop spending money to help fund other countries and start using it to build our military, to provide national health insurance and to develop our schools and poor communities.
6. Stop jobs from going to other countries by taxing the hell out of the corporations that move them - so that it is no longer profitable to import goods made in China.
7. Fine AND imprison Directors and CEO's of ANY company that hires illegal immigrants.
8. Remove all illegal immigrants and make them go through the proper LEGAL means to get into the country - just as ALL other legal immigrants have done and are doing.
9. STOP giving welfare or any public service to any illegal immigrant.
10. Secure our borders
The lefties have one thing right - the West is the problem. Since WWI we have been on a course for a way of thinking. We have revisited all history to support a conclusion.
The West (liberal at heart) asks the question - Can we "win" if we annihilate our enemy no matter how vile, barbaric or incorrigible they may be?
WWI showed us that Westerners could commit atrocities. WWII shocked us with the potential of new weapons. We also learned that barbarians still exist, often too stupid to stop coming.
We have been losing wars ever since. Every withdrawal came after the realization that we might kill millions and the enemy might continue to "seem" undeterred.
Russia, China, Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Sera Leon, Rwanda, etc. Barbarian death toll of 300 million in 50 years, from war, famine, and disease.
This has spawned a leftist elite disrespect for our enemies. It is even racist. This is the reason for the cognitive-dissonance we see. Is the enemy too "backward" to abhor death?
All the talk about "our troops" is a smoke screen. The lefties only care about enemy deaths. So they jump to 800,000 dead Iraqi's because that is what they fear - the barbarian enemy.
Fortunately this enemy has a soft spot - the obvious illegitimacy of their religion. Point it out (Allah lives in hell) and they will become enraged. Destroy Mecca and the "faith" will be questioned. "Kick the enemy's ass on the battlefield, their hearts and minds will follow."
The truth is you don't need to be a great spy to see this one coming. Merely being mildly observent is enough. All you have to do is pick up a newspaper or turn on the TV news. I have never been a "survialist" as such but I now store my own food, supplies, and firearms to be ready in the event of a catastrophe. The problem is compounded still more now by the fact that our government and a large number of our people are still, even now after 9/11 and almost six years of war with islamic nutters, in total denial about what Islam really is. I love my country but more and more I am convinced that we are very near the edge of a mega-disaster because of our unwilligness to dispense with all the PC "religion of peace" crap and really face what we are up against. Perhaps that is sadly what will be needed to wake up the American people and the world to what Islam really is. I hope to God I'm wrong.....
This Israeli is right....but what I cannot understand for the life of me is HOW people can be so zombie-like. People I work with don't even know who Nancy Pelosi is! For crying out loud, and THAT's my supervisor!
I don't have cable but yesterday on the news we had explosions in Iraq, Pakistan, Gaza - we had problems in Afganistan and Iran is threatening.
WHAT THE HELL IS PEACEFUL ABOUT ISLAM?
I'm not seeing it!
A third World War is already underway between Islamic militancy and the West but most people do not realize it, the former head of Israel’s intelligence service.
Well duh, tell us something we dont know, lets just get on and finish it.
People can watch Freddie Kruger and recognise evil. Why can't they see news of beheadings, bomb belts on children, disection of contractors in Iraq, etc. and NOT see that ISLAM IS EVIL?
Whatever kind of fruit the tree produces, THAT is the source. Islam produces rotten fruit.
Offending Billion Muslims fallacy. We can't offend or disturb the Muslims while they are busy genociding Christians. Christian Cleansing Chart data.
Christian Cleansing Chart at Timesonline
Percentage of Christians in Muslim lands. Turkey 1923 15 percent, Now 1 percent
Syria 1920 33 percent, Now 10 percent
Iraq 1970 5.8 percent, Now 2.65 percent
Jerusalem 1922 53 percent, Now 2 percent
Bethlehem 1948 85 percent, Now 12 percent
9-11 was a pogrom of Christians and Jews. So those who say we can't say the truth about Islam because it will offend a billion Muslims are saying we have to let them genocide Christians and other non-Muslims aka infidels and keep quiet while they do so.
"I would think this war started well before 2002. Maybe the first attack on the World Trade Centre could have been the starting point - even earlier perhaps?"
Yeah, he obviously wasn't exact, but being off by only a year is pretty darned good :) The writer actually said that NY would be hit by '...nuclear missiles coming from the north in late 2002. The writer did not actually say when the war itself would start.
France has clearly gone Eurabian, but I know little about Italy. Have they gone down that path as well? If so... creepier and creepier :).
Texican
I am in TOTAL agreement regarding the war that is coming. We are warned and we also warn others to be prepared, but when something bad doesn't happen..........people start to think that those who are warning others are ignorant to believe what the Scriptures warn.
Here's one for you.
First, I want to remind you that in the last days there will be scoffers who will laugh at the truth and do every evil thing they desire. This will be their argument: "Jesus promised to come back, did he? Then where is he? Why, as far back as anyone can remember, everything has remained exactly the same since the world was first created." They DELIBERATELY forget that God made the heavens by the word of his command, and he brought the earth up from the water and surrounded it with water. 2 Peter 3:3-5
"Former Israeli spy chief: nuclear strike by jihadists "very likely"
......Of course , we don't need spies to tell us this....the Muslims themselves openly tell us this.....I would amend the statement to say " very likely and sooner than you think..."
By the way, how is it that Goob has a link on his/her name that redirects you to a webpage?
Everybody - as you know, I have been on the board for quite a while now.
I am THE Goobs. I don't know WHO Goob is.
1938 ALERT!
A.I. Steamroller
I enjoyed the sci-fi fantasy - thanks for that!
-snicker-
Because our next President will begin a Manhattan Project to create a non-oil fuel, will end all financial assistance (jizya) to Islamic nations, will control our borders and end Islamic immigration, will stop telling our citizens that Islam is the Religion of Peace, will fight the jihad where it is really located (not Iraq).
Uhhh, well maybe the President after next. Or the one after that.
There is nothing stopping us from ending the conflict in less than 25 years. Other than our own unwillingness to do it.
The solution is obvious, but until a way is found to somehow set aside in our minds, all the niceties that our own civilization has diligently instilled into us - all the thou shalt nots etc - and after its all over, revert back to normal, we are going to be faced with fighting them on their terms. We jerk knees.
The fire bombing of Hamburg, the A-bombs of WW2, required a build up, not just in time, but also in public acceptance that there was little other choice. I was around then, and felt it.
We know what to do this time around, but we haven't been sufficiently bloodied to do it. I believe that they have perfected the art of timing, and that we have either not realized how important that is in their scheme, or not recognized it as a tactic.
The cost in lives during WW2 was equivalent to several 9/11's each and every day, worldwide on average, from 1939 to 1945.
We did it once, we can do it again - we have to.
Anthony-
You have a point. Gandhi once said that he could never understand what is is in some people that requires them to dominate others, to get their feeling of importance through the control over others. I think many find that a bit of a mystery about some "humans".
However, they will always be there, and will always need a good ass-kicking (with all due respect to Mr. Gandhi). We must be optimistic in our own lives, but pessimism is realistic in this matter.
All I hear is talk. What is the guvment going to do? Why are they ignoring the problem? Meanwhile our enemies want to create a catastrophe of the highest order in the USA. The world saw 9-11, you all know the islamists they must top it next time any thing less would be seen as weakness. The islamist countries will supply the weapons and afterward say, it wasn’t us. Plausible deniability, from pak to iran to lebanon to who knows where, and then to us. Boom.
So don’t talk, be prepared and go further, prepare your neighborhood. Start with neighbors you are friends with. Work out from there, if at first some wont participate, don’t worry as they see more and more people getting together they will come around. Even for the reason of not being left out. If every street then block then tract and city did this we would not worry about the guvment saving us. We will be in control of our own destiny. We will have strength in numbers, it will not be difficult for us to work together, most of us have been knowingly or unknowingly raised on teamwork. That’s one reason why we always do well whatever the task.
Organize, get medical training, survival training any training you think might come in handy. We cannot all hunker down in our own individual bunkers, we would eventually be annihilated one by one. Remember, united we stand, divided we fall starts at the street level and it works. For example, it is easier for a group of people to feed each other than a bunch of loners independently trying to feed themselves. Don’t be a victim, don’t wait until it is too late act now. Nervous, embarrassed, afraid of rejection? That’s normal but get over it, what are you more worried about your life or your feelings?
"Why will a 1,400-year-old conflict be wrapped up in 25 years?"
It won't. We (all western nations) can't wrap up ANY conflict in the ME, let alone a wider one due to our lack of will.
tgusa
Yes. In England people are still saying: "They ought to do something about (that), it's disgraceful". As if that will do the trick.
May I say folks....that until 'WE THE PEOPLE' rise up against BOTH parties - and they ARE BOTH USELESS....nothing will be done to stop the direction we are going and nothing will be done to properly handle Islam.
It's interesting that anti-war people can march on Washington, but while we (all of us on this board) complain about the ineffectiveness of the West against Islam, we are like the so-called moderate muslims that can't be bothered to protest against terrorism.
Until we are prepared to demand a change in Washington, nothing will be done to protect this country or any country in the West for that matter. It simply isn't in the agenda of the folks that are pulling the strings of our politicians.
The truth is that what will be the end of Islam, is the greater spread of the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, even into Muslim countries. More of the Muslims, either in dreams, because of the love and kindness of Christians, and or through the preaching of the same Gospel, are coming to faith in Christian in the global south.
bigcatgirl13106,
Nice thought, but the spread of Christianity will not FIX the problem with Islam OR the problem with the world.
The scriptures are clear that things are going to get worse and worse until Jesus returns. Read HIS own words in Matthew 24. Either you believe HIM or you swallow the feel good messages preached from pulpits that choose to ignore the words of the ONE who can see the end from the beginning.
I think I'll choose to believe what Jesus said....thank you very much.
P.S. I should say that I agree that people need to hear the gospel and also that Muslims can be and are being saved, but I do not believe that the world will be fixed until Christ returns.
We are weak because we have become soft. We have become soft because we have gotten used to comfort. We are worried about spending $166 million per day in Iraq but ignore the $3 billion (B) per day we are incurring in unfunded liabilities to prop up the social safety net and keep ourselves comfortable.
The harsh laws of economics will have as much to do with the next phase of this conflict as will awareness of our enemy. The years of fat, dumb, and happy Americans are coming to a close. Our credit rating should be shot sometime in the next fifteen years.
Tony Snow is able to make feel-good statements like ‘the Iranian people love America’ because of the accumulated capital of our past successes. I’m trying to figure out if he believes what he says or is lying to the camera for political reasons. Either way, things will change in years, not decades.
http://www.shadow2027.blogspot.com/
This is OT, but important.
Gandalf on Up Pompeii has a video recording of the recent Pipes/Livingstone debate, but needs help because he doesn't know how to post it.
Can someone who really knows about all this computer stuff please get over there and help him out. I'm sure this is something we all want to watch.
If you go through his profile at U P he can be e-mailed directly.
http://uppompeii.blogspot.com/
Thank you.
Lastly, people are not saved so that they can fix the world. They are saved (from the penalty that God set for sinning (an eternity in hell). A penalty that they deserve - but one that is paid for (if they accept the gift of eternal life in Christ).
The Goobs,
But is it not true the the end of the age and the time that Jesus will be coming back and I do believe he will, will not take place until the Gospel goes out into all the 4 corners of the world?
That the Gospel is now going out to the different parts of the world is such a sign.
Pez - I wonder about all the politicians both in Washington and elsewhere in the West that keep touting about how Islam is a peaceful religion that has been hijacked by radicals.
Do they really believe it?
Are we putting our lives in the hands of educated idiots?
Or could it be that they are saying what someone else wants them to say for purposes that they refuse to speak?
bigcatgirl - It is indeed a sign...and many are becoming believers in Christ, but we must also recognise that things are going to get rough and we should prepare for tough times ahead. Another BIG sign of the times is the events happening in the ME and with respect to Israel.
Matthew 24 is much different (unfortunately) than some of the messages being preached from pulpits (kingdom now, prosperity gospel, name it and claim it, etc.) that blatently deny the truth and instead tries to sell people the opposite idea that things are going to get better that the world is going to change for the better and that the world will be won to Christ.
That's simply not going to happen. Only the return of Jesus will stop the wars, etc.
P.S. Pez, I personally have known a LOT of highly-educated idiots that I would not want to depend on.
Look closely at Washington. What do you REALLy see?
Well, alternative power sources for cars etc are coming along, so it's only a matter of time before oil is no longer needed.
e.g.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4686826.stm
Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later.
I think Halevy understates the duration and ferocity of the coming crescendo. I know that Robert hopes that the truth being out of the bag may forestall the inevitable, but I regretfully must disagree with him. We are in a race against time and time is not on our side, since I believe the Muslims will dramatically overplay their hand and force a massive showdown - all before our somnolent publics catch on to what jihad really is and its centrality to Islamic doctrine.
I think the United States will dither in a no-man's land in this struggle until more of The Worst Generation begins croaking - ending their stranglehold on American politics at this time in history. We are shackled by them (the Older Baby Boomers)until their influence wanes.
What do you really see?
I see the results of a political system that makes a rational person not want to seek elected office.
I see a nation that has become a business. And I see something that is unsustainable in the long run.
“No Substitute for Victory”
The Defeat of Islamic Totalitarianism
John Lewis
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2006-winter/no-substitute-for-victory.asp
Well worth reading. We can win this war in short order, if we had confidence and moral certainty in our own civilisation and cause.
About when WWIII began...many give the date when Ayatollah Khomeini took power in Iran (returning from exile in Paris, France on Feb. 1, 1979) as the start of the re-vitalization of Islamic militancy (It was Khomeini who introduced suicide terrorism -- instructing young Iranian boys to go kill themselves while murdering the enemy Iraqis -- in the Iran/Iraq war). Then the first salvo went off in Beirut, Lebanon (orchestrated by the Iranians), a suicide truck bomber, murdering 241 U.S. marines (along with some French in a separate attack), on Oct. 23, 1983.
Then again, I suppose, someone could argue that the real war between the civilized and the savages has been waged ever since the birth of a so-called prophet back in the 7th century...
For something like 1,200 years of the near-1,400 years of the war betwen Christianlity and Islam, we only had the same weaponry as them, and until the Industrial Revolution, we were technologically no more advanced than them. The magazine-loading rifle and machine gun gave us a decisive advantage, as did air power. But these advantages have gone through easy availability of these weapons. The fight is perhaps only winnable over the next 25 years if we first ditch political correctness, take the leash off our troops, and the media starts doing what it ought to be doing - and that is telling the truth about what we are up against, rather than spending all their time and effort looking around for one convict who escapes from jail, or somebody who has to wait 24 hours longer for an operation and using it to tar the Government.
The Goobs has a good list.
Add 11, destroy all oil fields, so as to deprive Jihad of any fuel source!
We cannot all hunker down in our own individual bunkers, we would eventually be annihilated one by one. Remember, united we stand, divided we fall starts at the street level and it works. For example, it is easier for a group of people to feed each other than a bunch of loners independently trying to feed themselves. Don’t be a victim, don’t wait until it is too late act now. Nervous, embarrassed, afraid of rejection? That’s normal but get over it, what are you more worried about your life or your feelings?
Posted by: tgusa at January 28, 2007 11:57 AM
That's a very good idea, tgusa. During our frontier days, we had local militias of ordinary citizens to defend communities against Indian attack, bandits or outlaws. During the early stage of the American Revolution, informal militia units of Minutemen waged guerilla war against the British and their Indian allies. It wouldn't hurt if we were organized at least in an elementary way.
Here is proof that more of the Muslims are coming to the realization that Islam offers no hope for them and are leaving for the good news of the Gospel.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53884
Off topic:
'Hymen restoration surgery is a fraud'
Ummah News Links
Further, I don't think that anything, even global nuclear, chemical and biological atacks, will alter the mindset of either the leadership or the PC intelligentsia that seem to hold so much sway in Western countries.
In my view, nothing will make them realise that Islam itself is the problem. To them, it will forever be but a few violent misinterpreters of the religion of peace who are causing the trouble.
To do otherwise would be to destroy their own belief system.
Posted by: Anthony
That may be so. You forget the Power of the People. do you think we will stand still after such an attack? Do you think we will continue to accept their inaction?
"Further, I don't think that anything, even global nuclear, chemical and biological atacks, will alter the mindset of either the leadership or the PC intelligentsia that seem to hold so much sway in Western countries." posted by MeanieMo
PC intelligentsia?
Isn't that an oxyMORON?
To them, it will forever be but a few violent misinterpreters of the religion of peace who are causing the trouble. To do otherwise would be to destroy their own belief system. Posted by: Anthony
Anthony.....THEY are full of crap. THEY know full well the violence of Islam; however, THEY are bowing down to their puppetmasters that guarantee their power and wealth. In order to do this, THEY pretend ignorance.
THEY care more about power and wealth than the future of this nation or its people.
P.S. You shouldn't let the "PC intelligentsia" off the hook any more than you should let so-called 'moderate Muslims' off the hook for pretending to be peaceful in their thinking whilst doing NOTHING to stand up against terrorism.
Both groups KNOW the truth, but it does not serve the interests of either group to publically say so.
"I am THE Goobs. I don't know WHO Goob is."
Sorry, The goobs. I chose the moniker 'goob' a few years ago when I found that 'kevin' was already taken in typekey.
You are THE Goob. I'm just A goob.
;)
Sounds like he's been watching the latest episode of "24".
(Now, if this bit gets edited off the comments, then we're already done for.)
Foehammer, out.
Posted by: Foehammer at January 28, 2007 10:01 AM
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it seems that Jihad Watch has become PC.......
edited my comments from this morning. Truth will out they follow again.........
Robert & Hugh what are yall so concerned about, nuclear war. it will not be stopped.....
even if you convert 10% of the mo's from the cult of islam that leaves 1.2 billion to carry on the war..............
the moderate mo is one that does not wage open war.
so Robert and Hugh why did you strike my comments??? Have you become PC?????????
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America needs to wake up.................
There is a tremendous difference between the attitudes of the Americans and Europeans........Americans will either live free or will die to stay free……
Americans believe in using all possible means to remain free.
WW3 with the cult of islam is underway and is not being fought by the West…... the cult of islam wants the world embroiled in war.
There is no stopping this war. The vile and twisted minds of the cult of islam will never back down
the cult of islam will not be stopped with reason or pleadings, but only by ultimate force of nuclear weapons and bombs..............it will either be the survival of the West or our destruction by the cult of islam. The choice is ours and the feds continue to make the wrong choices.............
nukes are in America.
after iran is attacked by Israel and/or America....the islamic nukes in American will be used on America to kill Americans and to try to destroy our nation.
Washington DC, will disappear NYC, Chicago, LA, and other cities will experience nuclear attacks. America will be harmed but will not be destroyed. This will galvanize Americans into a fighting force with a thirst of vengeance that will eradicate the cult of islam from the face of the earth. Our military will turn the middle east into a sheet of glass.........and the cult of islam will cease to be across the earth........
nuclear war is coming...................it can not be stopped...........this is what the Bible states.
Zechariah 14:12
And this shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite all the peoples that have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their sockets, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
This was written two thousand years ago before nuclear weapons were known. the white hot heat from the nukes will burn the flesh off bones and the eyes and tongues out of their heads.....
Prepare, be armed, be ready, for WW3 is here and it will become hell before it is over.
if you are not prepared, prepare for the survival of your family, community and America.
if you are not armed, become armed to protect your family, community and America.
if you are not ready, become ready for nuclear war is inevitable.........
As America fights the cult of Islam, Russia and China will attack America with nuclear salvos that will be returned like and kind.......one world dominance is the intent of Russia and China but can not be until America's ability to wage war is destroyed.........
are you concerned and frightened yet.........
prepare for nuclear war for it is coming, be armed, be ready.............
God bless America, Israel, England, Australia, Canada, Ethiopia and our Fighting Forces across the world and keep us Free.
The Texican.
God, Family, America and Freedom, the only choice at any cost
My comments have been deleted once again. I don't post very often and this is one of the reasons why.
I don't even remember what I said that was so offensive and threatening so I guess I won't post on this thread anymore. C'est la vie.
"Matthew 24 is much different (unfortunately) than some of the messages being preached from pulpits (kingdom now, prosperity gospel, name it and claim it, etc.) that blatently deny the truth and instead tries to sell people the opposite idea that things are going to get better that the world is going to change for the better and that the world will be won to Christ."Posted bt The Goobs..
Goobs;
At least you follow the other messages, I assume you have seen E.I.F. , and perhaps more.
There (EIF), in the later 90's, a series was done in three parts on Race and religion, and a whole part was on Islam. This is a Christian series teaching on islam, with background on Mo, the koran , and it was aired in the 90's.
Perhaps the message is not everything you may want, but I learned much from them about what islam was, years before 9/11. The shows on islam was a warning, and the warning came to be.
Sorry, I ment "The Goobs"..
Well, 25 years is an absolutely unrealistic estimate if you presume the current strategy, and all brakes and limitations of the civilised society. Then again, are we sure that after a fall of a major European capital (Paris?), and a nuclear strike against the Bay Area, the strategy will stay the same?
I think 25 years is an absolutely realistic estimate if you brake it dow into 20 years of their victories, and 5 years of defeating them after we got serious.
Plus, there is a chance that a progress in alternative energy sources will slowly erode the power of the oil lobby. However I don't know what else should happen to persuade US government to, say, subsidise conversion from oil heating.
zonie kafir,
Yes, we are ahead of the curve and, therefore, ahead of our time. I had read Mother Ecclesiastica's comment and, though it did sound outrageous to even me, deep down I know that some very, very hard measures have to be taken if Mankind has to survive. I also believe that being born a Homo Sapien does not guarantee that one will grow up to be a Human Being. There is a considerable difference between the two. You can compare yourself with any practicing muslim to see the difference. You can also compare yourself with a paedophile to see the difference. I think that both are low life forms that threaten Humanity, and therefore must be executed, not murdered, executed, at the earliest. But then, I am just an average guy, and my opinions hardly matter. The Powers That Be, including the editors of JW, will prevail. :)
Things will speed up when these maniacs use an A-bomb, and they will for sure, sooner than we think.
What they fail to understand is just how many H-bombs we have. They could indeed detonate 1 or 2 Hiroshima sized A-bombs. Do they actually realize the difference between the 2? They will probably smuggle in and detonate using a suicide team, something like a 20 Kiloton weapon (Hiroshima sized) The true yield could well be far less. Sadly somewhere like London, New York, Tel Aviv etc. The death toll will be unimaginable. However the order to retaliate using British and American weapons would be swift. A British trident missile uses a 120Kt fusion (H-bomb) warhead, and each missile can carry around 12 of these warheads that can all be aimed at different targets. Each sub carries 16 of these missiles.
Worried yet ragheads?
Now it gets very interesting. Our good friends the USA have submarine launched missiles with warhead yields around 450Kt, and far far more of them than we have. They also have weapons which can be dropped from a B52 or B2 stealth bomber that are in the order of 9Mt.
Oh I have forgotten our friends Israel, you might find a few Jericho missiles heading your way packing around 400Kt each (An A bomb in Tel Aviv would certainly cause this).
All in all I would think that would be the end for Islam, Mecca would be a memory that glowed in the dark, Iran would be pretty much nothing and the rest of you would all be missing your major cities and most of your population.
Are you ragheads still ready to play nuclear war?
Robert & Hugh..............
do you really think that this war can be prevented???
for those that think that this war can be prevented, go to the middle east carrying your Bible..........
Prepare for war is coming to America and Americans will be killed again. Remeber 9/11.
Be armed to protect you family, community and America.
Be ready for war is near. When Iran is attacked, America will be attacked again. Remeber 9/11.
The Texican.
God, Family, America and Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
Further, I don't think that anything, even global nuclear, chemical and biological atacks, will alter the mindset of either the leadership or the PC intelligentsia that seem to hold so much sway in Western countries.
In my view, nothing will make them realise that Islam itself is the problem. To them, it will forever be but a few violent misinterpreters of the religion of peace who are causing the trouble.
To do otherwise would be to destroy their own belief system.
Posted by: Anthony
I would agree. When the attacks come these PC people will be swept aside by others with different messages in their voices.
People seldom are honest and strong enough to admit they have been wrong and denounce their old belief systems voluntarily. Muslims, PC'ers, Communists and the Joneses next door are all the same in this aspect of human nature. Stubborness, lack of honesty and rationality and inertia all prevent people from changing their perspectives when confronted with damning evidence. Nothing new in that sad observation.
It will take a series of WMD attacks in American cities to settle this and it will take the fall of one or two Eurabian states to settle this. The sad thing is we'll probably need both of these events. It will take a tremendous amount of jihadi wind for us to turnabout and set a new course. But, to paraphrase Dylan, 'It doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.' The question is how much wind will it take to true up our course?
It's not going to turn out well. Those leading us today will be put into the category of the Neville Chamberlains and will swept aside by the Churchills and Pattons that will rise to the occassion. They are out there. We wonder why they haven't arrived on the scene yet. Think about what it took to bring on the necessary conditions seventy years ago. We're not in that place yet, but we will be soon enough.
If the Socialists in the western democracies (READ: Communists) have their way, we ALL will BE dead at the hands of Muslims, and Islam will enslave/and/or flatten the remainder of the planet in perhaps as little as 25 years.
I used to think Americans weren't deluded. But I may well be forced to change my mind with the likes of Conyers, Murtha, Cindy Sheehan, Keith Elliott, Rosie O'Donnell, Jane Fonda, Karen Armstrong, and other useful idiots running around doing their best to get us all brutally massacred by Muslims all the while blaming the world's ills on America.
The lunatic shenanigans and intellectual bankruptcy of the political leftwing is actually beginning to frighten me (and NOT for the reasons these people would lead themselves to believe).
God help us!!
Let everyone know Islam teaches first-degree murder!!!!!!!!!!!
And deliver us from Islam.
After reading that opening piece, the article said "Halevy, who was raised in war-time London, predicted it would take at least 25 years before the battle against Islamic fundamentalist terrorism is won". Notice that phrase "at least", meaning an absolute minimum of 25 years, so if it lasts 30, 35, 40 or more years, he will have been right.