Three pressure groups are gunning for Glenn Beck, despite the fact that he has punted on the key issue of our time, and declined to aid genuine Muslim reformers who are exploring the elements of Islam that jihadists are using to justify their actions. For Beck says here that he is "asking all of the proud, peaceful Muslims here in America to take a more visible role in our fight against those who make a mockery of the Quran." But his assumption that the jihadists are making a mockery of the Qur'an is, at best, unproven, and is contradicted by both the jihadists and courageous Muslims and ex-Muslims including Tashbih Sayyed, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish, Ibn Warraq, and Ali Sina. Will Beck help fight the jihad by making "airtime available, at any time" also to them and people like them, in order to foster the discussion that is actually necessary to create even the possibility that a "peaceful view of Islam" might prevail?
In any case, his temporizing and whitewashing does nothing to assuage these pressure groups, who are enraged that he would dare even to explore the possibility that some Muslims in the U.S. might harbor jihadist sentiments.
"Arab groups don't want Glenn Beck back as 'Good Morning America' commentator," from Associated Press, with thanks to all who sent this in:
NEW YORK (AP) — Three groups are urging ABC News not to keep CNN Headline News personality Glenn Beck on as a "Good Morning America" commentator because they believe he's biased against Arabs.The Arab American Institute, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Muslim Public Affairs Council all said Thursday they had written to ABC News President David Westin about Beck.
"Good Morning America" executive producer Jim Murphy has spoken to a representative of the groups and has invited them on the air to talk about their grievances, said ABC News spokeswoman Jeffrey Schneider....
The groups said that Beck — who's drawing strong ratings with his evening show on CNN Headline News — has stated on his show that Arab and Muslim Americans are apathetic to terrorism. During an interview in November with Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim member of Congress, Beck asked him to "prove to me that you are not working with our enemies."...
Beck has said that his question to Ellison was poorly worded.
"My message is clear: Islam is a peaceful religion for over 90 percent of the world's Muslims," he said. "I have urged viewers repeatedly to understand this, while asking all of the proud, peaceful Muslims here in America to take a more visible role in our fight against those who make a mockery of the Quran. I also make airtime available, at any time, to any Muslim organization to help reinforce this realistic, peaceful view of Islam."
Yes, this battle will be interesting to follow. If the Muslim groups win and he is shut out of ABC, it will be a major victory for that crowd. It seems that he has taken on the Islamists more than, say, Hannity or Limbaugh. If he loses the ABC contract, his focus could go either way; He does enjoy a large following. However, ABC could take the "middle road." Beck is hired for the show and then is only allowed to comment on such important issues as Britney Spears' divorce and Paris Hilton's new boyfriend.
The jihadists don't make a mockery of the Koran.
Islam is a self-policing system where mockers can be killed under apostasy laws.
Excommunication of the "extremist hijackers of a peaceful religion" should have occurred by now, as it surely would have in other faiths.
This indicates that "peaceable" Muslims must support the violence that is an intrinsic part of their religion.
"Apathetic..may harbor jihadist sentiments..."in the USA...and many more will follow...
Sounds more like 'we have the money and you dance to our music'-
What else?
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/01/28/ruddock-refuses-to-ban-islamic-group/
I am still not sure about Beck yet. He right now is on the fence fighting with the PC man on one side and realist on the other. For some reason I think he will fall over to the realist when all said and done. I think he gets we are in real danger from Islamic leaders but I don't think he really understands why. Of course it would be useful for him to pick up the Quran etc. Lets face it Beck is much farther down the road then Hannity, Rush and O'reilly. All them seem clueless and worst parrot the line that it is all liberals faught or a small minority muslims etc. They are not even on the fence but running wild in PC land. Beck is trying to climb over. He sees the other guys are clueless and senses danger and kinda knows you and others could be right but keeps looking back.
Its not easy confronting the truth that a billion plus people belong to a cult that you dead or enslaved. So now he is stuck on the fence between the land of PC and the land of truth.....what to do...very confused. Beck alas is majority of people right now in the west. Stuck on the fence. They see the muslims are crazy BUT they are afraid of being the first one over and being called a Islamophobe or even attacked.
The people are ahead of our leaders however...Bush and rest are running around in PC land and are content to stay.
should have said...
"that want you dead or enslaved."
Great Comet,
That's okay, we knew what you meant. I think it's very applicable to speak caveman, i.e., "Me Tarzan, you Jane" or, "...people belong to a cult that you dead or enslaved," when speaking of Islamic activities. Some of these people are such neanderthals in their behavior that they don't deserve to be spoken about in the queen's english, or even our more slang-ey American english. ; )
he is "asking all of the proud, peaceful Muslims here in America to take a more visible role in our fight against those who make a mockery of the Quran."
Is Beck an expert on Islam? How does he know what is making a mockery of the Koran and what is not? Where do these experts come from?
Glenn Beck may not be an expert on Islam but at least he is out there speaking out on what he see's. Maybe he doesn't have a handle on all the jihadist tenants in the Quran but at least he is still willing to confront terrorism. Let Glenn stay with that question regarding the radical Islamists making a mockery of the Quran, we know that the Quran is clear and concise in its jihadist teachings and there is no mockery at all. Let us here their answers to his questions. I think Glenn knows more than he lets on, afterall sometimes pretending to be ignorant about things when asking questions incourageous that Islamic practice of taquiya and kitman from his Muslim guests.
Isabellathecrusader
Thanks for the understanding... :)
Posted by Mackie
"I think Glenn knows more than he lets on, afterall sometimes pretending to be ignorant about things when asking questions incourageous that Islamic practice of taquiya and kitman from his Muslim guests."
I sort of agree with that. I think he knows more then he lets on. Maybe he is playing the game thus "see where are the moderate muslims...talk to me". Once they get on TV we find they are not moderate as we understand moderation but out of their minds. Baby steps....
Lets hope so for the sake of Beck. He has done more then others thus I am willing to give him some room to see what he is up too.
Who knows maybe Glenn Beck is using a little Sun Tzu (doubt he has idea who he is but it is the same strategy.)!
"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him." Sun Tzu, the Art of War
""Arab groups don't want Glenn Beck back as 'Good Morning America' commentator,"
.........Anything the Muslims don't want may be worth keeping.....Glenn Beck is not great.. but he is improving....
From the article
Anyone conspicuously absent from this list? What happened to CAIR? Were they not offended by Beck's "racist" reporting on the "mocking of the Qur'an"? I think CAIR has been getting too much attention lately, with the lost lawsuits, and Boxer's returned award. People are starting to catch on to their game. It's time to send in the next taqiyyah team. MPAC now up, AAI is on deck.
Beck said
But this airtime has always been available. Any Muslim organization that is willing to stand up and tell the infidels what they want to hear, can be quoted in any newspaper, or on any radio or tv show. As long as they claim (with no evidence required, by the way) that Islam is the religion of peace, that Muslims and Jews have lived in peace for over a century, that Islam believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ just like the Christians, they can get all the airtime they want. The views of Saudi Arabia, the wealthy propogator of Wahhabism, the most politically connected and financially controlling "ally" we've ever had, are heard almost exclusively here in the U.S.
It's the people (Muslim or infidel) that say (with direct references to Qur'anic quotes and other evidence to back it up) that Islam condones or even mandates violence, they're the ones who cannot get any airtime.
"This realistic and peaceful view of Islam". So, which is it?
I have a theory on Beck. He's an AA guy and mentions it often on the air. AA is big on the necessity of accepting a higher power, and not being judgmental toward others' higher power. This might contribute to his unwillingness to take a hard look at Islam.
He also says he "read the Koran from cover to cover" and he has Muslim friends who he's learned from. These are two very lousy ways to learn about Islam.
Here is Glenn Beck's contact info:
me@glennbeck.com
Perhaps a polite email or two?
I think we should all be very supportive of Beck (even though some of us may have reservations about how much he really knows or is willing to state publicly). He is so superior to all the others out there! Again, he needs support.
Glen Beck is already out there on a limb in taking on Islam. What do you expect, some TV guy to come out and say "Islam is evil. It must be fought to the death. Now." ??? That ain't gonna happen. Maybe on the web in anonymity, or from the occasional commentator on radio or something, but not mainstream TV. The most we can hope for is for intelligent, thoughtful people like Beck to raise questions and get the audience thinking for itself, so it can, someday, when the s**t really hits the fan, break free of the PC opiate.
There are 1+ billion Muslims in the world. They're energized, confident, motivated, angry, and coming at us. There is a damn good reason everyone is so defensive and inarticulate about the Islamic threat - because this is a large chunk of the world population, increasingly all pointing in the same direction of Jihad, like little iron filings after a giant magnet lands nearby. We should be fighting this war in a way and at a time of our own choosing. Getting on TV and saying Islam must be destroyed is the opposite of that - it will just help the magnet pull in all the remaining filings when, in fact, we are not yet ready to fight.
Why should Glenn Beck's goal be aiding Islam reformers, who don't have the Sunnah behind them anyway, as opposed to simply telling us that Islam isn't a religion in the sense that we think of when we are thinking Christianity, Buddhism, etc? Since when is it the primary task of media commentators to take sides in an intra-Islamic 'debate' (to the extent that it exists), rather than to simply inform us, the audience, whether or not Islam indeed does endorse Jihad?
In my view,the only people making a mockery of the Koran is the moderates. Oh well, I still have Savage;he keeps me sane and makes me laugh.
Oh well, you can't hardly blame Beck. He goes after terrorists and Muslim groups come down on him. It's ridiculous, if their religion was being hijacked they would love Beck.
Mega,
"What do you expect, some TV guy to come out and say "Islam is evil. It must be fought to the death. Now." ???"
That extreme formulation you describe is not the only choice for a more honest and refreshing public expression of the problem. Beck could, for example, phrase it in the form of a series of questions, and still leave open the possibility of an indeterminate number of Muslims who are not guilty:
"Is Islam itself a major source of terrorism? Could it be that the Muslim terrorists and extremists are actually interpreting their religion in a traditionally authentic way? What exactly is a Muslim moderate? And what criteria are we going to use to define it? Why should we accept the mainstream view that Muslim moderates are the vast majority? What's the evidence for that? And how are we to interpret all the violent and seemingly intolerant and supremacist declarations in the Koran? If we should not be worried by all those declarations in the Koran, why not?"
Etc.
Posing these questions would be provocative, but not nearly as much as your version. Nevertheless, they would be as refreshing as a bracing cup of cider to a Jihad Watcher dying of thirst.
Instead, Beck tends to lean too far in the opposite direction. I'm surprised that Jihad Watchers here continue to be satisfied with dry crumbs that barely sustain our yearning hunger for some substance on this most urgent, perilous issue -- just because these crumbs are marginally better than the mealy-mouthed cardboard that the O'Reillys and Hannitys dispense.
"Arab groups don't want Glenn Beck back as 'Good Morning America' commentator," from Associated Press, with thanks to all who sent this in:
The Jihatwatch community doesn't want Achichbineindummernazi back as president of iran.
WHY does our PRESS have to report on any insignificant group of terrorists.. er I mean moslems.. who have a complaint about something??!!!
Now they want to be in charge of our TV programming!!!
What ever happened to the first Amendment!!!
Glenn Beck makes me sick. The man has taken the concept of smug beyond where even Bill O'Reilly dares not tread. It's good to see the Moslems humiliating Beck. Being reminded what a coward he is wipes the smug off his face for at least a few precious seconds.
When I discover where the Unicorns live, Glenn will the first person I call.
The Arab American Institute, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Muslim Public Affairs Council all said Thursday they had written to ABC News President David Westin about Beck.
Ask these three groups whom they'd like to see in the White House?
My guess would be Jesse Jackson or Dennis Kucinich. Why bother voting? Let the "arab groups" decide. They're already writing large pieces of our legislation.
Will ABC cave in to pressure group demands over the popular vote? Ratings can be viewed as votes in a sense. They clearly want to shut us all up.
One day we will all wake up to the caterwauling of imams from their wailing towers.
The gutlessness in politics and industry continues to amaze me. Do these politicians and Captains of Industry cease to be American citizens as soon as they "get in"??
The situation is even worse in Europe - that goes without saying.
Is anyone working on a COUNTER-pressure to be brought to bear on ABC?
It doesn't matter what we think of Glenn Beck. What matters here is that Arabs are trying to shut up an American who has something to say that they don't like. Imagine how much worse it would get if Robert or Hugh had their own show!
We **cannot** allow them this creeping control of our media any more than they already have!!!
NEW YORK (AP) — Three groups are urging ABC News not to keep CNN Headline News personality Glenn Beck on as a "Good Morning America" commentator because they believe he's biased against Arabs.
Dare I say that Arabs are biased against Americans? so therefore they should be asked to leave. Hey, I am using their own logic.
Glenn Beck is very good at what he does to Islam and their Jihadist minions. He's been exposing Amedinijad unlike anyone else in television and radio. Glenn is engaged in a fine balancing act with the Muslim pressure groups gunning for him. This might get very very interesting. None of you would do better so stifle yourselves
Ahhh, Pig Farmer, you're just expressing schadenfruede...Get over it.
Maybe with all those so-called "moderates" which Beck supports screaming and yelling for Beck's head -- well, it just might make him question "Where ARE those "moderates?" It might cause him to question his basic assumptions about the "moderate" Muslims -- ie, wake up and realize - "Hey, they don't EXIST!" Just ask a Shoebat, etc., those Muslim apostates.
he is "asking all of the proud, peaceful Muslims here in America to take a more visible role in our fight against those who make a mockery of the Quran."
I agree with Greatcomet..
A. This should not be a discussion about Beack and his anti-jihadist qualifications but rather a call to arms against MoFoe attempts to undermine our commonly shared Freedom of Speech. Note: That's how they do it in their lands.
B. I think Greatcomet is right. Beck is merely calling the unicorns to step out and show themselves. Gving them the benefit of the doubt so that all the doubting Thomases who watch his show will see by example that the great non-violent moslem unicorn does not exist.
Glenn Beck is merely being didactic. So if the MoFoes are afraid of him that should give us a clue that Mr. Beck is on track. He's merely "playing the game".
If I had a TV show I don;t think I'd last to the first commercial and I imagine that goes or a few of the other "purists" on Jihadwatch.
So let's focus in on the important news of the day.. they are attacking Glenn Beck. It is up to us to defend and support him.
Is anyone doing a petition on his behalf??
http://www.petitiononline.com/
I think CAIR has been getting too much attention lately, with the lost lawsuits, and Boxer's returned award. People are starting to catch on to their game. It's time to send in the next taqiyyah team. MPAC now up, AAI is on deck.
Posted by: special_guest
I wonder if these groups share any personnel in common... Hmmmmm....?
When one of them gets too exposed the next one comes out... truly a multi-headed snake.
When are folks going to realize , only a minority of muslims are peaceful.
just don't have Chuck Norris sit in for Sean Hannity anymore. Norris was totally stupid.
Having read all the comments, I still think Beck is an asset to the Cause. He's one of the very, very few in the MSM to take some helpful steps in the direction of enlightening people as to what's going on with Islam. Would I prefer it if he didn't do the lame "extremists hijacking a peaceful religion" dance? Of course! However, that dance is largely code anyway. No one who says that really believes it anymore, except maybe Bush. I no longer believe there will be any one savior who will deliver us from Islam. I think it will be done one small piece at a time, with many Becks to come and go on the long road of getting people to open their eyes. So, he's contribution to a mass of dissent that hopefully will become a critical mass someday. I find it more realistic to think like this than to wait or hope for one savior who will stand up and just speak the simple truth, namely, there is something fundamentally evil about Islam and we are going to have to fight and win a long, costly, demoralizing, painful war of attrition to stamp it out once and for all, if indeed that can still be done.
Omegaman,
I caught Chuck Norris' H&C appearance.
He tossed out 2% as the percentage of Muslims who are extremists.
I sent him a polite email with the math:
2% of 1.2 billion Muslims is 24 million 'radical, extremist, Islamist, fundamentalist' troublemakers.
His statments gave away his total ignorance of the subject and he might as well have filled in for Colmes.
Every good organization has a ‘Mr. Inside’ and a ‘Mr. Outside’. Mr. Inside is the guy who drives his thumbnail into his subordinates’ foreheads and meets deadlines. Mr. Outside is the face that talks to the camera and cuts ribbons at school openings. Mr. Outside will usually insulate himself from the details of Mr. Inside as to maintain appearances.
I’ll take the liberty of saying that I think of Hugh as a Mr. Inside. He’d get skewered in a 2007 TV debate because the grisly reality of the mechanics of his plan. Regardless of the fact that the plan would be effective (and following the squandering of too many men and too much treasure, probably implemented). Hugh probably isn’t going to get a prime time TV slot anytime soon.
Beck goes way beyond Mr. Outside, but is probably the best we’re going to get until something happens. That video he repeatedly shows of the Imam screaming before his flock as he unsheathes a sword is pretty powerful. I’m glad to hear that he’s getting good ratings.
He also seems to be a pretty good businessman, and I’ll bet that the Islamic pressure groups will have pissed him off pretty good if they cost him a network slot.
I am not knowledgeable about Beck, but the only problems I see from the statements quoted are that (i) his percentages are probably wrong; and (ii) he appears to tacitly accept that the moderate view is more faithful to the Koran than the extremists.
I imagine in both cases he is simply being generous. Let's give the moderates both of these as "given" -- still, what are they doing (of practical value) to address the very real and present danger that is facing us by men who act very consistently and deliberately in the name of Islam and the Koran? Either way you ask the question, the moderates must challenge the readings of their jihadist brethren; that they fail to do so strongly suggests treasonous motivation and begs the question, "which side are you REALLY on?" I'd say that's where Beck is, and he's struggling with doing this in a polite but firm fashion.
My best guess.
Regarding mockery of the Qur'an, quotation suffices...
We should be fighting this war in a way and at a time of our own choosing. Getting on TV and saying Islam must be destroyed is the opposite of that - it will just help the magnet pull in all the remaining filings when, in fact, we are not yet ready to fight.
Posted by: Mega
The longer it takes to bring it on - the bloodier it will get. The moFoes are becoming increasingly confident while our PC Dhimmi guvments and MSM are busy shackling our fighting Forces and our Fighting Spirit here at home.
The MoFoes understand nothing other than brutal and overwhelming IRON FORCE!!!
Moderate Islam is a fictitious religion invented by the MSM and Bush Blair. It has no founding figure the way Christianity has Jesus and Islam has Muhammad. Unless you count Bush Blair.
It has no holy book, unlike Christianity which has the Bible and Islam which has the Quran. Unless you count Bush's Religion of Peace speech.
Moderate Islam has no founding date or era, unlike Christianity which started with the life of Jesus and Islam which began with the life of Muhammad. There is no calendar for moderate Islam, unlike Christianity which has a calendar based on Jesus coming into mankind and Islam which has a calendar based on Muhammad coming into power.
Of course, you could date Moderate Islam from Bush's Religion of Peace Speech.
White House Bush RoP Sep 17, 2001 Founding of a new Era
This is year 6 of RoP. Bush is the founding Prophet of RoP in this view of it.
Muslim groups are unsatisfied? Of course-anytime someone who's even a bit well known says something
about them that isn't "Islam is peaceful" they get all outraged. Nothing short of a conversion or craven dhimmitude will satisfy these groups.
I like Glenn Beck. He is definitely not as smug as O'reilly or Hannity or any schmuck on Fox News. But I think he's lying about having read the Qu'ran. He has either not read the Qu'ran or has read it, is alarmed by it, and keeps his mouth shut for now. Or maybe his muslim friends have given him the standard 'peaceful' verses that every muslim spokesperson quotes. Nevertheless, I hope he gets the picture, or shows his cards, and that way we'll know he can see things clearly. Keep in mind though he has a young daughter. That might hold him back, more so than being fired from CNN or not getting that job on ABC.
For simplicity purposes it is best to start the Religion of Peace Calendar with Jan 1, 2001. So Jan 1, 2001 AD is Jan 1, 2001 Religion of Peace, unless there are any objection.
This is the founding of RoP by its Prophet George Bush.
Sorry that's Jan 1, 2001 AD is Jan 1, 1 RoP. Old habits die hard when Bush is bending reality.
So today is Sunday Jan 28, 7 R.o.P.
As long as he does not become a puppy dog with muslim guests (like he did with Nancy Grace one time), then he's fine. But it might take awhile before he gets more brave on the air, and really puts himself and his family at risk.
They're eneThere are 1+ billion Muslims in the world. rgized, confident, motivated, angry, and coming at us. There is a damn good reason everyone is so defensive and inarticulate. Posted by Mega
Well guess what, even if muslims comprise one-fifth of the world's population, and I think their numbers are grossly inflated, they are still vastly outnumbered by the other four-fifths of us. Are you suggesting that one-fifth of humanity is so powerful that we should bite our tongues, keep our concerns to ourselves, and allow these totalitarian, megalomaniac invaders to intimidate and exploit us in our own countries?
Even if there are a billion + muslims, they are spread all over the world. It doesn't take millions of them to wreak mass death and destruction, only a few.
The only reason muslims have made any progress whatsoever in our societies is because we have politely surrendered to their demands, or our illustrious leaders have. I am sick and tired of sitting by and watching a tiny, drop in the bucket minority group bellow, whine, and intimidate to impose censorship on our television networks and news media. I am sick of watching the demands of a handful of immigrants, and compared to our overall population, they are a handful, be met without resistance despite the inconvenience and double standards for the rest of us. The more they are appeased, the more they will demand. Some people think their demands are trivial, harmless, and will not affect the rest of us, and they are dead wrong.
No other group of immigrants has come to this country and formed dozens of superfluous advocacy organizations to promote an ethnic/religious/cultural agenda. No other group is in the news every day with a new complaint, lawsuit, demand, or pitiful sob story about discrimination and marginalization. No other group, even much, much larger ones, has seized the spotlight and focused on itself as if approximately 294 million (compared to their measly 6 million) non-muslim Americans did not exist. And six million is an inflated number; it's more like three million, which is three million too many.
Muslims and islam would be irrelevant in America but for one thing: their potential to do us harm. They know that they will win few converts if islam is exposed, and they absolutely abhor being irrelevant. For islam to be powerless and despised by the dominant non-muslim population is very threatening and disconcerting to the leaders of the fifth columm. Just think, if they can cause this much chaos, dissention, and conflict when they are only about .2% of the population, imagine what they'll do when they are 5%. Their delusions of importance and superiority are obvious and their arrogance is astounding.
Old Atlantic, I wouldn't credit Bush with inventing the concept of the RoP. I just learned today that Rousseau, a good 250 years ago basically said the same thing; and as we know, a rose is a rose...
Exactly where Glenn Beck stands remains to be seen. Although his "90% of the World's Muslims are peaceful" statement is befeft of any factual support and was obviously pulled straight out of his ass, he does ask questions that are rarely, if ever seen on any MSM outlet, particularly, his request welcoming any and all "moderate" Islamic voices publically denouncing extremism and the use of terror.
His promotion to ABC could go either way at this point. I would assume that he is now also receiving direct death threats from Islamists. Another near absolute truth is that ABC would drop him in a second if he went on record saying Islam is outrightly evil.
This is a wait and see issue.
I just looked something up the other day while doing research for my next op/ed essay.
When the Nazi party came to power in Germany in 1933 it had around 2 million members. The population of Germany in that year was 66.2 million.
The Nazi party was a mere 3% of the population. Compare this to the estimates of approximately 10% for those muslims who would use violence to dominate the world and impose Sharia law.
The 3% of extremists lead a powerful western nation for 12 years and caused up to 100 million deaths. The extremists in the nation of Islam number 100 million.
This is not going to end well.