Matthew Wagner in the Jerusalem Post (thanks to Fjordman) consulted Islamic authorities:
What did the Palestinian Resistance Committee (PRC) mean when it stated that kidnapped soldier Cpl. Gilad Shalit, "is being treated according to Islamic standards of dealing with prisoners of war?"According to Sheikh Abdala Darvish, the spiritual head of the southern faction of the Islamic Movement in Israel and a respected Islamic authority, the Sha'aria (Islamic law) has detailed directives governing the treatment of prisoners of war.
Shalit's captors were obligated, according to Sha'aria, to keep the soldier alive and healthy, said Darvish. "They must give him the food that he likes at the times he likes eating," said Darvish.
Islamic law also prohibits degrading or scaring a prisoner of war.
"The captors are even obligated to give their prisoner a feeling of friendship," added Darvish, who said it was legitimate to hold a prisoner of war until the hostilities were resolved.
MK Ibrahim Sarsur (United Arab List-Ta'al), a leader of the Islamic Movement's more moderate southern faction, said that the basis for Islamic war ethics was the prophet Muhammad's war manual. Over the past 1,400 years, voluminous additions have been made to these religious military codes.
"Regarding the treatment of prisoners of war, the basic principle is that as soon as an enemy soldier has been neutralized and taken out of the war, the Muslim army is responsible for taking care of him." However, sources familiar with the workings of the Hamas-affiliated PRC are skeptical about the extent to which these terrorist groups see themselves as obligated to normative Islamic law. Even Darvish admitted that what he called "Israeli subjugation" of Palestinians forced them to transgress Islamic law.
This transgression is legitimate from an Islamic standpoint. The Qur'an teaches that "persecution is worse than slaughter" (2:191). The occasion of this, as I explain in my book The Truth About Muhammad, was when some of the Muslims carried out a raid against the pagan Quraysh during one of the sacred months, in which fighting was forbidden. Muhammad initially shunned them and wouldn't accept the booty they offered him, but then he received this revelation: "persecution is worse than slaughter." That is, if the Muslims are being persecuted, they can kill their enemies even in transgression of their moral laws.
Meanwhile, as I have noted before, the Islamic jurist Al-Mawardi explains Islamic guidelines for prisoners: "As for the captives, the amir has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first, to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale or manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them." -- Al-Ahkam As-Sultaniyyah (The Laws of Islamic Governance), 4.5
More information on Islamic law regarding prisoners here, from Dr. Andrew Bostom.
Yeah we know how well they treat their P.O.W.s. Just ask Nick Berg or Paul Johnson. The Sheikh Abdala Darvish is obviously full of crap. But I believe the Q tells followers to lie to infidels. Oh wait I should watch what I say, I don't want to be labeled a racist.
Somehow, I don't see these nice sounding principles regarding the Islamic treatment of POW's being used-perhaps against fellow Muslims, but not against the "apes and pigs". If I were caught by the enemy in wartime I'd certainly expect the worst possible treatment-especially when it's the peaceful ones doing the capturing.
"Muhammad initially shunned them and wouldn't accept the booty they offered him, but then he received this revelation: "persecution is worse than slaughter." That is, if the Muslims are being persecuted, they can kill their enemies even in transgression of their moral laws."
Don't you love this? "Allah" amends his commands, which essentially turns his initial word into meaningless prattle. How much of the Quran is rendered thus because of a second "revelation" that comes about due to circumstances that make the first inconvenient? I'm sure that Robert could write a whole series of books regarding these amendments to "Allah's" FINAL messages to mankind.
America would be better off treating muslim POW's the SAME WAY they executed western hostages.
Forget the Geneva Convention, as it does NOTHING to save the lives of all non-muslims in their control.
What is the point of rules when your enemy REFUSES TO DO THE SAME and uses your own restrictions against you and your allies?
Guantanamo Prison is a joke and a country club.
Treat these partisans and international gangsters with utter ruthlessness and harshness.
It is very pathetic when a barking dog is considered cruel treatement against these muslim devils in prison.
LET THE DOGS EAT THEM!!
The Russians and Chinese are masters of dealing with murderers and terrorists.
I wish America would do the same as those nations when dealing with mass murderers, oops.....I mean muslims.
Darvish is performing like a dutiful Muslim. Lying to infidels as prescribed in the Qur'an. Also typical of the Islamist, the audacity to expect sentient beings to believe their utter nonsense.
He actually made it sound like being a POW is like going away to summer camp. once again, the Islamist is undone by their own words. Whether this is intended arrogance, or sheer stupidity is questionable. What is not questionable is that ever syllable spoken by this clown is an outright lie.
And the massacre of the Jews of Medina after the siege can be compared with?...Oh I know, Hitler's Einzatzgruppen.
I wonder if the young Israeli soldier is even alive.. I have not seen any photos....
Perhaps he has withstood the forced conversion attempt....
Muslims lie.....
I thought is was 'unbelief is worse than slaughter'-
What is it really, 'persecution worse than slaughter' or unbelief?
Crusader I agree- infact the Geneva convention endangers our troops- not protects them- the only hting the barbarian islamic terrorists understand is terrorism, no amount of good treatment of prisoners on our part is going to change their minds and make them say 'awwww- they treat us nice- let's return the favor' Our military has been severely hampered by the ocnventions rules while our enemy has been free to wage an effective terrorism inspired war against us. They break every geneva rule imaginable, and have banked on the fact that we will follow the rules. Israel is another country severely endangered by the rules- and yet no matter how closely both our countries follow the rules, we STILL get criticised for 'abuse'
http://sacredscoop.com
I've noticed the implicit assumption that all prisoners of war are male, which might be a little anachronistic with the number of women now serving in the militaries of many countries.
Doesn't Islam have different "rules" for female prisoners -- involving, of course, repeated rape as a "possession of the right hand"? Didn't I read somewhere one of these nightmare clerics saying just that?
Note: this does not pertain to muslim to kufir relations!
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Definitions of ethic of reciprocity on the Web:
The Golden Rule, also called the ethic of reciprocity, is an ethical statement which is found in many religions and philosophies: *~1970-1640 BCE "Do for one who may do for you, / That you may cause him thus to do." - The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant 109-110, Ancient Egypt, tr. R.B. Parkinson.*~700 BCE "That nature only is good when it shall not do unto another whatever is not good for its own self." - Dadistan-i-Dinik 94:5, Zoroastrianism.*? ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_Reciprocity
Don't you love this? "Allah" amends his commands, which essentially turns his initial word into meaningless prattle. How much of the Quran is rendered thus because of a second "revelation" that comes about due to circumstances that make the first inconvenient?...
Posted by: yohannbiimu
An astute observation...inconvenient to who??? Why Mohammad of course. Allahs word is eternal, he never changes his mind, except for Mohammad. For Mohammad, Allah will make himself out a liar, or at least a vassilating god, that cant make up its mind what it means. For Mohammad, Allah will do most anything.
Allah and Mohammad are one and the same. Allah is Mohammads demon, who is alive and well in the hearts of muslims to this day. Allah/Mohammad is a psuedo 'living god', he only gets his life by possessing the hearts and minds of submitters... He does this in the 'now', vampiring the life energy of those who submit to him. Sounds a lot like Dracula. And like Dracula, Allah cant stand the light, not of truth anyway. Mohammads inconvenience has been a death sentence for many. It is time to bannish the demon by subjecting it to the light of truth.
Keep firing those 'truth' bullets. Allahs resistance is strong, but his shield is thin...
The Russians and Chinese are masters of dealing with murderers and terrorists.
I wish America would do the same as those nations when dealing with mass murderers, oops.....I mean muslims.
Posted by: Hungarian Crusader
I agree, HC. We need to bring back Vlad the Impaler to deal with these islamic brutes. And the Serbs need to stay in Kosovo so that it doesn't go moslem at Europe's door.
We all need to stand together. There is no room for moslems in Europe. If they wish to be de-programmed from this evil cult then we could consider taking them in so as to protect them from persecution at home.
De-nazification worked in Germany so why can't de-islamization work?
Unfortunately it seems the Germans still think they can legislate thinking.. from what Sheik yer Mami wrote in another post they want to outlaw speaking negatively [how vague] about other religions. We all know what this is tailored for. Angela Merkel better not be in on this or the voters will go further to the "right" - as long as voting remains a *secret* process of course.
Apparently that part of the Koran is in writing and the rest is in comic book pictures as no Muslim aka terrorist has ever read them.
Must mean they are all illiterate.
"The captors are even obligated to give their prisoner a feeling of friendship"
I guess that means that that any and all Jihadi kidnappers can exploit the well known Stockholm Syndrome in order to convert their captives ...
.. of course duress" is prohibited under Sharia Law ...
I forgot to mention - whenever I am reading history it is always "accept islam or die" ... not "well if we keep you here for a couple of months under the constant threat of death - you might just convert" ( like it always appears in MSM)- as though it was a voluntary option or something ...
"Al Andaluz" - they want it back - but it didn't belong to them start with ...
I know, I know, you think I misspelled 'vacillating' (vassilating). Not really, its code. It means that Islams swell treatment of captured soldiers is defined by what Islams attitude is, which may not match up to what is normally accepted as civilized behavior.
Marwan's Daughter - I believe that in our two wars with Iraq 100% of U.S. female pows were raped.
"The captors are even obligated to give their prisoner a feeling of friendship," added Darvish, who said it was legitimate to hold a prisoner of war until the hostilities were resolved."
This usually means pushing, constantly, constantly, trying to convince them to convert.
You believe wrong. The truth about Islam is bad enough without discrediting yourself and our side by making up lies.
Name me one female POW. In fact name me one POW period in either invasion of Iraq.
Jessica Lynch was not raped, and in fact the whole story about her was a Hollywood production put on at the behest of the administration, including the "raid" on the hospital.
Creating myths, telling lies, spewing propaganda hurts, not helps the cause, and the cause of anti Jihad is valid and worthwhile.
How does Islam require POWs to be treated?
......tjey don't want POWs , only converts or bodies.....
MeanieMo said
From everybody's favorite resource, wikipedia:
Vlad did fight against the Ottomans, but that's not how he got the name "Impaler". He used impalement against his domestic political rivals.
I'd prefer not to walk down streets lined with my fellow American's bodies impaled on stakes, but that's just me.
Instead of looking to Vlad the Impaler, I'd prefer to look to Thomas Jefferson and our other founding fathers, who recognized the violence of Islam, and who knew how to stand up to it without turning their own nation into a shop of horrors.
From the article
That's what we're all afraid of, for his sake. After 1,350 years of experience, we all know what "Islamic standards" are. From the preceding article about Vlad the Impaler:
She knew "Islamic standards" for the treatment of prisoners, back in the 1400's. This was 500 years before the founding of the modern state of Israel, the supposed excuse for Islamic violence all over the world.
In "I Am a Soldier Too", the authorized biography (Jessica Lynch) written by best selling author, Rick Bragg....according to Bragg, Lynch's Medical records indicate she was anally raped....
Also check out Major Rhonda Cornum, one of 2 American pow's of the First Gulf War.
Narizzzzzzz
Muslims have shown our poor people no mercy and as such they deserve none. Either take no muslim prisoners on the battlefield or make their imprisonment a real living hell on earth. Screw the Geneva convention. They don't obey it and, as such, are not protected by it.
"Name me one female POW. In fact name me one POW period in either invasion of Iraq."
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Name me one female POW?
ALL THE WOMEN BORN INTO ISLAM!
Islamofascism - well worth the read. The West better wake-up, and quick!
http://www.usavoice.org/NEWS/Article.cfm?ID=3711&CID=17&T=Islamofascism
Nariz sez:
"Creating myths, telling lies, spewing propaganda hurts, not helps the cause, and the cause of anti Jihad is valid and worthwhile."
Ah, well if this is true then why is it that far more often than not, you are spewing nothing but loads of partisan BS aimed squarely at non-Muslims who have no association with jihadists?
As usual, you accuse others of what you yourself commit on a regular basis. Also, if "the cause of anti Jihad is valid and worthwhile," then why do you talk so little about it? You do as much harm to "the cause" here as any Muslim troll.
duh_Swami- very good point- God's word is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, and never changes because He is infallible- but evidently, the god of the Muslims holy prophet Muhammad isn't quite as infallible and needs to keep updating his word? Just saying
http://sacredscoop.com
"How does Islam require POWs to be treated?"
This link has some information.
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/moghal_atro.html
"Name me one female POW. In fact name me one POW period in either invasion of Iraq."
----------I will give you two that come to mind, Jessica Lynch and Shoshana Johnson. (both since rescued).... Both were wounded, both were sexually assaulted by their captors and neither converted to Islam.....
' "As for the captives, the amir has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first, to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale or manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them." '
"Beneficial"? For whom?
This is how Islam treat their P.O.Ws:
http://www.dafka.org/mmslist.htm
Disclaimer:
If you have a weak stomach please do not view the above link. It is graphic...
Oh, but you forgot the most important Islamic law, that is "you can lie as often as you want !"