Hrant Dink
But the murder is attributed here to "nationalist anger." "Turkish-Armenian editor shot dead in Istanbul," by Paul de Bendern and Thomas Grove for Reuters, with thanks to all who sent this in:
ISTANBUL (Reuters) - A high-profile Turkish-Armenian editor, convicted of insulting Turkey's identity, was shot dead outside his newspaper office in Istanbul on Friday.Hrant Dink, a frequent target of nationalist anger for his comments on the mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks during World War One, was shot as he left his weekly Agos around 1300 GMT in central Istanbul....
Muharrem Gozutok, a restaurant owner near the newspaper, said the assailant looked about 20, wore jeans and a cap and shouted "I shot the non-Muslim" as he left the scene.
Protesters outside the Agos office on one of Istanbul's busiest streets chanted "the murderer government will pay" and "shoulder-to-shoulder against fascism."...
"This bullet was fired against Turkey ... an image has been created about Turkey that its Armenian citizens have no safety," said CNN Turk editor Taha Akyol.
Last year Turkey's appeals court upheld a six-month suspended jail sentence against Dink for referring in an article to an Armenian nationalist idea of ethnic purity without Turkish blood.
The court said the comments went against article 301 of Turkey's revised penal code, which lets prosecutors pursue cases against writers and scholars for "insulting Turkish identity."
The ruling was sharply criticised by the EU.
INSULTING TURKISHNESS
Dink was one of dozens of writers who have been charged for insulting Turkishness, particularly over the alleged genocide of Armenians by Turks during World War One.
Turkey denies allegations that 1.5 million Armenians were killed in a systematic genocide. It says both Christian Armenians and Muslim Turks were killed in a partisan conflict that raged on Ottoman territory.
Sure. Some Nazis were killed during World War II also.
lol havnt the turks read the hadith???
thye cant make it into heaven anyway according to morehammered.....lol
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 179:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks; people with small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces will look like shields coated with leather. The Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose shoes are made of hair."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 180:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "The Hour will not be established till you fight with people wearing shoes made of hair. And the Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose faces look like shields coated with leather. " (Abu Huraira added, "They will be) small-eyed, flat nosed, and their faces will look like shields coated with leather.")
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 787:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "The Hour will not be established till you fight a nation wearing hairy shoes, and till you fight the Turks, who will have small eyes, red faces and flat noses; and their faces will be like flat shields. And you will find that the best people are those who hate responsibility of ruling most of all till they are chosen to be the rulers. And the people are of different natures: The best in the pre-lslamic period are the best in Islam. A time will come when any of you will love to see me rather than to have his family and property doubled."
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 788:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "The Hour will not be established till you fight with the Khudh and the Kirman from among the non-Arabs. They will be of red faces, flat noses and small eyes; their faces will look like flat shields, and their shoes will be of hair."
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 789:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
I enjoyed the company of Allah's Apostle for three years, and during the other years of my life, never was I so anxious to understand the (Prophet's) traditions as I was during those three years. I heard him saying, beckoning with his hand in this way, "Before the Hour you will fight with people who will have hairy shoes and live in Al-Bariz." (Sufyan, the sub-narrator once said, "And they are the people of Al-Bazir.")
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 790:
Narrated 'Umar bin Taghlib:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "Near the Hour you will fight with people who will wear hairy shoes; and you will also fight people with flat faces like shields."
Turkey can kiss its entry into the European Union goodby. With the probability of Sarkozy gaining the Presidency of France, and the fundimentalists in Turkey, the citizens of the other European countries will never accept Turkey as a member.
Turkey's application to the EU should be torn up and thrown in the dirt box. Just imagine hoards of armed Turkish 20 year olds running around Europe shouting "I shot the non-muslim".
"Dink was one of dozens of writers who have been charged for insulting Turkishness, particularly over the alleged genocide of Armenians by Turks during World War One".
The implication I'm seeing here is that the Turks are proud of this atrocity. Imagine the outcry if Germany had a law against "insulting Germanness" anytime the Holocaust was brought up. If the Turks have any conscience they should at least admit that this genocide did happen and that it was indeed dreadful. They must be quite stubborn though-they could go PC and say that it happened in the pre-republic era and that anything that happened in those days is totally unconnected to the post-Ottoman era. I'm beginning to see why the Greeks, the Serbs and all the other infidel neighbors of Turkey are less than thrilled with them given this unspoken pride about this genocide.
And what do we learn from this article?
That Islam teaches, preaches, and practices first-degree murder with no real limits placed on the deed of killing. Or course.
What a surprise.
Turks see no problems with giving writers jail sentences for 'insulting Turkish identity' and they're outraged the EU doesnt embrace them?! These people just dont get it and never will. The cultural differences are just too great.
Which did he actually say?
"I shot the non-Muslim"
or
"I shot the kuffar"
or
"I shot the infidel"
Translating kuffar or kafir to "non-muslim" obscures the issue that the Islamic holy book enjoins Muslims to make war on those outside their religion.
This bullet was fired against Turkey
But of course, the Turks are the real victims here. I'm sure that the shooter was a Mossad agent.
Should we take the Turkish court at its word? That is, they say that Turkish (National) Identity is everything done in Turkish history from 1300 AD or earlier to the present.
That nothing done by Turks from 1300 AD to present is a sin in the view of the Turkish courts or the Turkish parliament, its prime minister or its political parties.
What has happened from 1300 AD to the present, is according to Turkish law, Turkey's identity. No disparagement of this is possible within Turkish identity or law, i.e. to criticize any act from 1300 AD to present by the Turks is outside of Turkish identity, Turkish law, or Turkish reality.
This is put forward as a question, not an assertion. Is this what the Turkish Court ruled? Is that the law passed by the Turkish parliament? Is this not what every Turkish government has said from 1300 AD to the present without exception?
Sources on Turkish Christian Genocide
Debate at Red State at bottom of page
When awards arehanded out, they often go to the wrong people. It is not the hapless Mohammed El Baradei, nor that apologist-for-Islam ("the mistreatment of women does not come from Islam") Shirin Ebadi, who deserve that Nobel for Peace, but rather Ayaan Hirsi Ali and other brave apostates. And the same is true for those prizes awarded to journalists.
Who has given a prize to Flemming Rose? Or to Hrant Dink?
Hrant Dink was a non-Muslim victim of Muslim hatred of non-Muslims. It is true that the particular variant on Islam was the Kemalist cult of "the Turk" -- Kemalism, in constraining Islma, offered a replacement cult, the cult of Ataturk and of The Turk -- and so can be seen to have adopted to a new age essentially the same attitudes. And the re-emergence of Islam has led some Turks, including the one who waited to kill Hrant Dink, to be possessed by a syncretistic mix. The non-Turk means the non-Muslim citizen of Turkey -- Armenian, Greek, or Jew. No offense must be given by these inferior citizens to the cult of the Turk, or to "the Turkish Nation." The same readiness to be offended, the same division of the universe between Us and Them (in the case of Islam it is Believer and Infidel, and in the case of Muslim Turks who have embraced Kemalism it can be, for the primitive, the true Turk and the non-Turk), the same recourse to violence.
Hrant Dink should be remembered, and that memory honored, and not only in Sausalito or Watertown, but everywhere. And the reasons for his killing should be understood, including the reflection of the persistence of Islamic attitudes in Turks, even those who are "defending the Turkish nation from slander" rather than "defending Muhammad from blasphemy." In the minds of Turkish Muslims, these attitudes are mutually reinforcing.
One more thing.
That should be it, as far as entry into the EU is concerned. Call off the farce. And this should also be the time when the Bush Administration reads Turkey the riot act about Kurdistan, and starts to make plans for that independent state, and tells the Turkish government that it had better accept the American-extorted guarantees that there will be no territorial claim made on Turkey by the new and independent Kurdistan, but that Syria and Iran are fair game. And if it doesn't accept that? Then Turkey, whose military is entirely dependent on American re-quipping, American spare parts, American training, can see that American connection go up in smoke from the top of Mount Ararat. No more nonsense about being afraid of "the Turkish reaction." The Turkish government can get with the new program, or be abandoned by its own sure ally. And if it thinks that the Arabs would or could ever be an ally of Turkey, rather than mischief-makers intent on reversing 80 years of Kemalism, it should be disabused of that thought quickly.
Here'a a photo of his dead body (covered with sheet):
http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/20070119.WWW000000649_un_journaliste_turco_armenien_tue_par_balles_a_istanbul.html
Be sure to zoom the picture
allahu-akbar!!! On to Vienna!
Precisely: "That should be it, as far as entry into the EU is concerned."
The assassin was a Turkish nationalist -- he did not want Turkey to join the EU.
We can only hope his nationalist wish will be granted.
Narrated Abu Huraira:
I enjoyed the company of Allah's Apostle for three years, and during the other years of my life, never was I so anxious to understand the (Prophet's) traditions as I was during those three years. I heard him saying, beckoning with his hand in this way, "Before the Hour you will fight with people who will have hairy shoes and live in Al-Bariz." (Sufyan, the sub-narrator once said, "And they are the people of Al-Bazir.")
Posted by W D J D
Hey those dudes with the hairy shoes that hang out down in that there Al-Bariz sound really cool. Does any body know where I can get hold of a pair of these hairy shoes? I've tried Ebay but nothing? I would like them in dark green. Hope this is OK.
I shot the al-sharif, but I did not shoot the derka-dee.
so much for turkey being a muslim democratic secular country
Its the American goverment thats bidding for Turkey to join the EU if america loves Turkey so much why dont the US Goverment vote for Turkey to join the United states instead of the EU or otherwise just stop poking its nose
"so much for turkey being a muslim democratic secular country
Its the American goverment thats bidding for Turkey to join the EU if america loves Turkey so much why dont the US Goverment vote for Turkey to join the United states instead of the EU or otherwise just stop poking its nose"
Posted by: Greek Gurl
Here Here Greek Gurl
and we should loby for Mexico and Venezuela to join USA
A high-profile Turkish-Armenian editor [Hrant Dink], convicted of insulting Turkey's identity, was shot dead outside his newspaper office...
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This poor man.
Here we have Muslim logic. When the Mohammed cartoons suggested that Mohammed may have inspired violence, enraged Muslims protest the very idea by threatening violence against anyone who holds this idea, and they do it in Muhammed's name.
When the Pope quoted a Byzantine emperor who said Islam was spread by violence, enraged Muslims countered the idea that Islam uses violence by threatening violence against the Pope for saying it.
When an Armenian journalist has the timerity to mention the genocidal slaughter of Armenians by Turks, a Muslim enraged by this calumny is moved to shoot him dead, showing the world how Turks never killed Armenians, by killing an Armenian.
Of course, all of these acts are only illogical in the literal sense. In the larger sense, they are meant to terrify anyone who considers critisising Islam into silence.
The Turks have been encouraged. Ask George or Tony about the Armenian Genocide.
Great work boys.
Turkey's future lies in EU, says Blair
Mark Oliver and agencies
Friday September 30, 2005
Guardian Unlimited
Bush backs Turkey's EU efforts
The US is courting Turkey
By Rob Watson
BBC Washington correspondent
Israel for instance sees Turkey's membership as a great contribution to the stability and development of the region. The Jewish lobby in the European capitals and the United States have defended Turkey's membership for the years. Tel Aviv also officially declared its support to Turkey.
http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1775
As usual on this site, there's always a rush to judgement. Isn't it nice to see that thousands in Turkey are protesting his death, both turkish and Armeian? Apparently not everyone in Turkey is a fire-breathing Islamist, nor lend them any sympathy. Many do in fact care about free speech, admitting the past, and even prefer reconciliation rather than retribution (something the Dink frequently mentioned, as well as expressions of love of Turkish people). Plenty of people in Turkey think it is high time to move on.
However I openly wonder when it will be that some of my fellow Americans will allow themselves to consider these rather glaring factors rather than rush to paint a wide swath of the world with a big brush. Maybe there's a heck of a lot more out there to listen and learn about? Care to study some Turkish and see what's really going on for yourself?
An English broadcast of the protests from BBC
Protests To Condemn Killing Of Dink In Istanbul And Ankara
Published: 1/19/2007
ISTANBUL/ANKARA - A group of people who held a sit-in protest to condemn assassination of Hrant Dink, editor-in-chief of bilingual Turkish-Armenian weekly Agos, in Taksim district marched towards Sisli district in Istanbul.
Protestors chanted slogans and carried banners reading "All We Are Hrant Dink" and "We Condemn Those Who Murdered Hrant Dink".
On the other hand, nearly 700 people from several nongovernmental organizations held a demonstration to protest killing of Dink in Kizilay Square in Ankara.
Ismail Hakki Tombul, chairman of the Confederation of Public Sector Labor Unions (KESK), said that Dink was murdered in a disgraceful attack, noting that the bullet fired at Dink was also fired at those who wanted to live free in Turkey.
Meanwhile, a group of people gathered in front of Human Rights Monument in Yuksel Street in Ankara and chanted slogans denouncing assassination of Dink.
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=159658
Fury in Turkey at editor's murder
Dink's murder has provoked widespread shock in Turkey
Thousands of people have rallied in Istanbul to protest at the murder of a prominent Turkish-Armenian journalist, Hrant Dink, outside his office.
"We are all Armenians, we are all Hrant Dink," the crowd chanted.
Dink frequently wrote about one of the most sensitive issues in Turkey - the mass killing of Armenians during the final days of the Ottoman empire.
His views, seen as treachery by some nationalists, led to a conviction in 2005 for insulting Turkish identity.
"A bullet has been fired at democracy and freedom of expression," Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told a hastily convened news conference as news of Dink's murder spread.
The attack on Dink was an attack on Turkey and on Turkish unity and stability, Mr Erdogan said, adding that the "dark hands" behind the killing would be brought to justice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6281193.stm
protest photos
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To go along with the prostestations, here is a good example of Turkish obfuscation. The Erdogan administration passed articles 301 and 305.
http://www.axisofjustice.org/wordpress/?p=27
Now they will attend Dinks funeral.
Turkish Government Members to be Present At Hrant Dink’s Funeral
20.01.2007 16:26 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail In Russian In Armenian
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Turkish Government Members will be present at the funeral of Hrant Dink, stated Turkish Prime Minister Rejep Tayyep Erdoghan. He expressed his condolences to the family and friends of the journalist and promised to find the murderers. “We must investigate all aspects of this crime,” Erdoghan stressed.
Editor-in-Chief of bilingual Armenian-Turkish ‘Agos’ weekly Hrant Dink was shot dead near his editorial office in the center of Istanbul yesterday. Turkish police has arrested 8 suspects for Dink’s assassination. Armenia, U.S.A., Germany, Council of Europe, OSCE and Armenian Diaspora worldwide have condemned Hrant Dink’s assassination.
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WaPo doesn't include the non-Muslim quote
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Outspoken Editor Is Slain in Turkey
Voice for Armenians Was Put on Trial
By Benjamin Harvey
Associated Press
Saturday, January 20, 2007; Page A15
ISTANBUL, Jan. 19 -- Hrant Dink, the most prominent voice of Turkey's shrinking Armenian community, a man who stood trial for speaking out against the mass killings of Armenians by Turks, was shot and killed in broad daylight Friday at the entrance to his newspaper's offices.
Just hours after a gunman shot the journalist twice in the head, thousands marched down the bustling street where he was slain, carrying posters of Dink and shouting slogans in favor of free expression.
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The article never mentions the Koranic origin of the crime, in the opinion of the person who did it. The best evidence of the Koranic origin is the text of the Koran combined with the killer's words, "I shot the non-Muslim".
The Washington Post covered this up. Covering up the hate crime nature of the crime is hate crime denial. WaPo is engaged in hate crime denial to cover up its baised and incomplete coverage of Keith Ellison's use of Thomas Jefferson's Koran.
WaPo columnist Colbert I. King praised Ellison on TV for using the Thomas Jefferson Koran on a public affairs show. Post policy is to deny the role of the Koran in historical and current killings. This is a policy of genocide and hate crime denial.
WaPo likely supports Turkey's admission to EU. they are covering up news inconsistent with that. This is unethical journalism.
WaPo Post Global on Turkey EU admission
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Turkey EU Koran site:washingtonpost.com
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"On Faith" panelist Abdulaziz Sachedina is Frances Myers Ball Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Virgina, Charlottesville. The Tanzanian-born Sachedina, who has studied in India, Iraq, Iran, and Canada, earned his doctorate at the University of Toronto. "
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Pope Benedict’s speech has done irreparable damage to Christian-Muslim relations. No amount of apology can undo the harm the irresponsible comments about Islam and its founder have done to the prospects of dialogue between these two Abrahamic traditions.
The more one tries to defend the Pope’s remarks as being made “inadvertently,” the more the transparency of their real intention becomes obvious: To close the door on the dialogue between Muslims and Catholics permanently.
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It is unthinkable that in a speech in which the argument was to open the doors for theological studies in the secular universities on the grounds that faith and reason are both divine gifts to further a coexistence that has been rarely experienced in the Christian academic culture, can actually become an irrational polemical tone implicating Islamic rather than Catholic tradition, in the battle against violence in the name of God.
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Hrant Dink, a Christian, died in Turkey defending our freedom. Whenever we ask ourselves, is it worth the time to comment on this, to email or fax our Senators or Congressman, to post in the comments section of our local newspaper on-line that local Congressional staff looks at to gauge reader opinion and knowledge, the answer is above us.
It is worth the time. Hrant Dink died for our freedom. We only have to speak up to save it. If we don't want our freedom, we just have to do nothing. If we want it, we need to speak up in every forum that is available to us.
"we are not impressed. those backward animals are just scared about their precious image, they only want to wash away their dirty past."
Gee, Would you care to share your comments with my Ladino Jewish friends whose families have lived in Istanbul since they were kicked out of Spain in the 15th century by certain notorious Christian religious absolutists?
Upon his assasination, Dink's close personal friend Nouritza Matossian was emphatic about his love for the people of Turkey, and his hope for reconciliation (something that many reactionaries on both sides do everything in their power to prevent). Do you think that his TURKISH lawyer, Fethiye Çetin should be included as a target in your callous remarks? The fact that a Nationalist/Islamist coward (which is something of an odd dichotomoy, if you study modern Turkish history, but then again, conflict tends to make strange bedfellows) shot him is not representative of the entire nation.
Of course, you can continue to misconstrue what is really going on in simplistic manner using blatantly racist vitriol, but heck, that's typical if not predictable of the usual venting that occurs on this site. Perhaps it's possible that you can make a real contribution? Learn the relevant languages? Visit these parts of the world and see what is going on for yourself? You might consider it. Or are you capable?
It's very easy to roundly and broadly condemn an entire nation, culture, and much less all the adherents of any given religion. It's called a hasty generalization, and is a blatant fallacy according to the rules of logic. It's pathetically easy to swallow hate and vitriol hook, line, and sinker when it's spoon fed to you, and then regurgitate it for others to chew on, isn't it? At least there'some comments above that tell me there are some who engage in real thought processing, rather than reactionary remarks.
At least Daniel Pipes site offers far better, if not even nuanced commentary.
"He shouted 'I shot the infidel' as he ran away," said Muharrem Gozutok, a restaurant owner.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/20/wturkey20.xml
So there’s a slight discrepancy in the actual wording. What else is new?
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