No, not Musharraf himself. The cross-dresser in question is Begum Nawazish Ali, aka Ali Saleem, pictured above. This New York Times article by Salman Masood, "When She Speaks, He’s Breaking All of Islam’s Taboos" (thanks to all who sent this in), illustrates the wildly diverging pressures within Pakistani society today, in which a man dressed as a woman can discuss taboo subjects, but an actual woman can't; a rape law that is more recognizant of women'e rights is derided by clerics as un-Islamic; and only pressure from the President and the Supreme Court kept a province from enacting Sharia law.
Ali Saleem himself says: "I owe Begum Nawazish Ali’s existence, in a certain way, to General Musharraf." Of course that is true -- and his own popularity in urban areas bears witness to the fact that there is widespread support for Musharraf's efforts to keep at least some of the most odiously oppressive political and social aspects of Islam at bay. And at the same time, Musharraf's opponents can point to Ali Saleem as evidence of the decadence and corruption of the Western societal model Musharraf is attempting to import, at least in part, or to at least to allow for.
Dinesh D'Souza is coming out with a new book in which he apparently argues that the immorality of Western societies hands a weapon to jihadists that we do not need to hand them; I haven't seen the book, so I don't know how he states this thesis, but I have of course argued many times, and will continue to argue, that the immorality of the West is for jihadists at best a recruiting tool, and that the jihad arises from imperatives within Islamic teaching that would remain even if America were the most moral non-Muslim society on earth. But within Pakistan and among Muslims, it's a different story: Ali Saleem is a symbol of immorality, and thus, if Pakistan were a Sharia state, his life would be forfeit. If Musharraf is ultimately driven from power, Ali Saleem would not only be taken off the air, but would probably be killed.
KARACHI, Pakistan, Jan. 2 — Ali Saleem may have devised the perfect, if improbable, cover for breaking taboos in conservative, Muslim Pakistan.The talk is of delicate issues, including sex. “Maybe, yes, I am a diva,” he says.
In a country where publicly talking about sex is strictly off limits, Mr. Saleem has managed not only to bring up the subject on his prime-time television talk show — but to do so without stirring a backlash from fundamentalist Islamic clerics.
And he has done so as a woman.
When Mr. Saleem takes to the airwaves, he is Begum Nawazish Ali, a coquettish widow who interviews Pakistan’s glitterati and some of its top politicians.
A real woman could not possibly do what Mr. Saleem does. In the unlikely event a station would broadcast such a show, the hostess would be shunned. And taking on the guise of a married woman — whose virtue is crucial to her whole family — would be equally impossible.
But apparently a cross-dressing man pretending to be a widow is another matter entirely.
It is something of a mystery why a man who openly acknowledges he is bisexual is a sensation here. Traditional Islamic teaching rejects bisexuals and gays, and gay Pakistanis have few outlets for a social life. The gay party scenes in Lahore and Karachi are deep underground.
Mr. Saleem has his own theory for his popularity: he thinks Pakistan has always been more open than outsiders believed.
It is true that Pakistan is, in a sense, two countries. There is urban, and urbane, Pakistan, where Western mores are more accepted, although nudity would never be seen on television or scantily clad women on billboards. And then there is rural Pakistan, where Islam is generally practiced with more fervor.
It is also true that the Pakistani president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, is relatively tolerant about what the media can show and cover, including politics. Although General Musharraf came to power in a bloodless coup by the military in 1999, he has been more open to political criticism in the press than some of his democratic predecessors.
Mr. Saleem, 28, is thrilled with his success for reasons that are both political (he is proud to be breaking ground in bringing up tough subjects) and profoundly personal. “My biggest high is to see myself gorgeous in the mirror” he said recently while reclining in a makeup-room chair. As a beautician outlined his eyes, adding glitter and eye shadow, he said, “Maybe, yes, I am a diva.”
It is hard to judge how successful Mr. Saleem’s show is — there is no form of Nielsen ratings here. And there are clearly people who find the show revolting.
But by many measures, it is a success. Television critics have been generally supportive, and the show, which has been on a year and a half, has a prime-time slot despite its name, “Late Night Show With Begum Nawazish Ali.” Mr. Saleem said it was named for its racy content, usually shown late, but he said the network scheduled it earlier hoping for a hit that would bring in more advertising revenue.
Urbanites, meanwhile, seem not to be able to get enough of the once-a-week show, which is rerun twice each week. They have showered praise on Mr. Saleem’s portrayal of a middle-aged widow who, in glamorous saris and glittery diamonds, invites to her drawing room politicians, movie stars and rights advocates from Pakistan and India.
With fluttering eyelids and glossy lips, Begum Nawazish Ali (Begum means Lady or Mrs. in Urdu) flirts with male guests using suggestive banter and sexual innuendo. With female guests, she is something of a tease, challenging them about who looks better. Questions are pointed and piercing. Politics, democracy and saucy gossip are enmeshed in her conversation.
Mr. Saleem sees the show’s acceptance and commercial success as a testimony to the tolerance and moderation of Pakistan, a country often seen by the outside world as teetering on the edges of militancy and extremism.
Colorful and witty, Mr. Saleem is open about his own sexuality and sprinkles his conversation with gender-bending phrases. “My life fluctuates between two extremes,” he says. “I always say this: I am a man and I am a woman. It is two gender extremes, and I am constantly trying to balance it.”
He is unabashed at the criticism that his show often borders on raunchiness. “Sitting senators have sent requests to be on the show,” he says.
[...]
Mr. Saleem, who in the guise of Begum Nawazish Ali often gets away with questions to politicians that print journalists might be wary of, said his show would not have been a possibility earlier. “I owe Begum Nawazish Ali’s existence, in a certain way, to General Musharraf,” he said....
The main question here is: Does Begum Nawazish Ali have facial hair and, if yes, why, and how is this viewed by the Taliban over if the Afghan?
THAT'S NASEEM!!!
"THAT'S NASEEM!!!"
Holy MOly, Didn't recognize her without the mustache.
D'Souza is a moron -- the freedom to live however we choose to without harming others is precisely what distinguishes the West from the Islamic barbarians. I see this as good news from Pakistan, and perhaps the opening up of society will slowly extend from the cities to the country. Pakistan is a major piece in the Jihad chessboard, and we should thank our stars for Musharaff, he is a corageous man, they have tried to kill him several times already. Blair recently announced a big aid package especially for Pakistan, which Musharaff desperately needs -- let us not forget that the big tool the Islamic fundamentalists have in Pakistan are the madrassas,where poor families send their kids because there aren't enough regular goverment schools. Result: brainwashed kids. Musharaff needs money to modernize the country and take the education tool away from the Islamists.
This will be the poster person of jihadists in Pakistan with a caption reading "Western, un-Islamic Decadence". Saleem and Mushy Raff will probably be wiped out at the same time by the usual suspects.
Ideal co-scriptwriters of a future television series, "Sex and Epicenity" (a Pakistani-American co-production) that could be Ali Saleem's big break: Professors Diana Eck and Marjorie Garber of Harvard.
It is nice to hear that his show is still popular.
"Dinesh D'Souza is coming out with a new book in which he apparently argues that the immorality of Western societies hands a weapon to jihadists that we do not need to hand them..."
-- from RS's comment above
D'Souza's book promises to be far worse than that. D'Souza, who knows little, almost nothing, about Islam, thinks that true-blue "good" Islam, the Islam of "family values" and so on, is a natural ally of "family values" promoters among non-Muslims. He appears not to realize that a drinking, gambling, womanizing non-Muslim even one who is -- god forbid -- an atheist, for god's sake --is not the threat to non-Muslims that is, per contra, the most upright family-valued Muslim, if that family-valued Muslim also accepts the tenets, and is suffused with the attitudes, of Islam -- including that uncompromising division of the world between Believer and Infidel.
There were all kinds of kirche-kuchen Nazis, the women dutiful breeders of children, the men dutiful in their respect for German family values, jawohl, family-values people all. The children tramping the heather in Hitlerjugend style, politeness to elders, perhaps a little reading of Goethe by lamplight. None of that decadent Negro-Jewish jazz, none of those awful books by Thomas Mann and others, especially with that Der-Tod-in-Venedig hint of sexual malpractice, only the good, the true, the beautiful, the echt deutsche expressive of "family values." And in this regard, don't forget to read the memoir of his life as a family man at Auschwitz, attended by prisoners who showed them "every kindness" (apparently because the family itself showed such kindness back to the prisoners) by Rudolf or possibly Mrs. Hoess.
D'Souza deserves to be mocked for his dangerous naivete and miscomprehension, or his missing of the main point. He's the unwitting agent of Islam. And if and when the Prince Hassan Prize for World Tolerance is set up, and then awardee at the Amman Marriott, to great fanfar (Judges: Karen Armstrong, John Esposito, Tony Blair, Gilles Kepel) does anyone doubt that Dinesh D'Souza and his little volume will be very much in the running?
The "family values" game pro-Islam apologists play in the West is another attempt to manufacture a sense of common cause by capitalizing on ignorance, and the assumption that Muslim and Western "family values" are the same thing.
Is polygyny a "family value?" Unequal inheritance? Seclusion of women from all public life? "Triple talaq" divorces? Temporary marriages (mostly a Shi'ite practice, but becoming popular in Saudi Arabia)? Marrying 9 year-old girls? Wife beating (per Qur'an 4:34, of course)?
Re: If Pakistan loses Musharraf, Pakistan loses a cross-dresser
I think much of this crap about the superiority of Muslim "morality" regarding sexual matters is as hypocritical as the former USSR pretenses re the alleged "decadence" of the West and allegedly superior Soviet "morality". (The Nazis pulled this bullshit act too.)
The difference in the West is that such "immorality" is more in the open. I suspect that Muslim societies have a lot of homosexuality because of their repression of women. The historian Barbara Tuchman once noted that early 20th century German society, with its emphasis on macho-maleness, was filled with homosexuality. In fact, she said homosexuality was called the "German vice" at that time. Much of the Nazi SA was made up of homosexuals, so the pattern continued into the Nazi era.
Islam is pussyphobic. That's part of the reason for the violence-and other moral depravity among them. A Muslim lecturing on morality (sexual or otherwise) is like a blind man giving a description of the grand canyon.
Ynkedoodl2-
I'm sure Naseem has the real thing there. She's deceptive on other matters. This guy is deceptive there and he's Islam in drag.
Posted on various sites, this from the Daily Times of Pakistan:
May 17, 2006
Pakistan most sex-starved
By Khalid Hasan
WASHINGTON: Google, the world’s most popular Internet search engine, has found in a survey that mostly Muslim states seek access to sex-related websites and Pakistan tops the list. Google found that of the top 10 countries - searching for sex-related sites - six were Muslim, with Pakistan on the top. The other Muslim countries are Egypt at number 2, Iran at 4, Morocco at 5, Saudi Arabia at 7 and Turkey at 8. Non-Muslim states are Vietnam at 3, India at 6, Philippines at 9 and Poland at 10.
Further to my previous posting, the "nuclear family" model -- one man, one woman, and their children -- is not enshrined in the same way in Muslim and Western settings.
Even in a "post-Christian" setting that does not actively consider the household of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph as a model, the fundamental "family" structure is still some kind of couple and their kids. There is a very close and direct relationship with one's parents, or at least that is much more possible than with multiple wives.
With one father and multiple wives, and multiple children by those wives, contact with Dad, and the emotional attachment among siblings and half-siblings of different wives in a pecking order is greatly diluted. Extended family steps up, sure, but the family life is more of a beehive-- an electron swarm-- than an intimate nucleus. And if family is the fundamental building block of society, that has obvious consequences.
Not to mention the increased opportunity for child abuse in that "hive" setting, where the parental oversight cannot be maintained at the same level as the nuclear family.
All of the above are more reasons to be sure of exactly whose "family values" we're defending.
Robert, I quite agree with you that the Jihadists would still target America no matter how moral it was. But his point, if it is indeed in his book, that American immorality is an added argument on their side is surely right. American immorality is added fuel to the jihadist's fire, another arrow in their quiver.
Even worse than the American tolerance of immoral behavior, such as homosexuality or abortion, is the enthusiastic approval of it by American elites. In contemporary America, it is not the homosexual who is to be shunned and stigmatized, (unless he is a Catholic priest, but that's another story) it is the critic of homosexuality. The woman (or young girl) who has an abortion is proclaiamed an heroine, a model for us all, while the "right-to-lifer" is delared a bigot who is to be pilloried and driven into the outer darkness.
No wonder we are losing the demographic war.
It is easy to figure out why he is so popular. The hard liners wish they could make love with him. I am not so sure the gay culture in lahore is so under ground as the article claims. I have been in quite a few Muslim countries, including Iraq and Afganistan. Afganistan could very well be the gayiest place on earth. All the men paint their nails, wear eye shadow, kiss and walk hand in hand. I know i am not just misinterpreting things, because we kept catching Afgan National Army soldiers having sex with each other and the kids we had working on the FOBs. It might just be because women are out of reach. I am sure Pakistan being just across the border is much the same way. Everybody just looks the other way. It is like the character Billy explained in the movie "Mindnight Express." I think Fatima Mirnissi in her books claimed that in most Muslims counties, men first sexual encounter is homosexual, maybee this leads to self hate and confusion that contributes to their hyper religousity. Like some boys that have been molested become compulsive neat freaks.
Remember the violence against nuns and priests that resulted after the academic lecture given by the Pope? Those folks were as moral as anybody, and they were attacked. Personal morality is not a defense against a belief system than considers non-belief of Islam to be the worst immorality.
I am a conservative. I generally like D'Souza, and he is not, generally speaking, an idiot. However he is wrong about the most important issue facing our civilization at this time. In fact, he is more than just wrong, he is inadvertantly hurting the interests of civilization on this point.
He is not properly classified as a "useful idiot" because he will turn around on this issue. He can be reached, someone just needs to get him to start reading JW or to otherwise investigate Islamic texts.
Thank God for JW.
This is Islamic Kabuki theater where the female parts were (are?) done by guys
from Hugh's post above:
"D'Souza deserves to be mocked for his dangerous naivete and miscomprehension, or his missing of the main point.
He's the unwitting agent of Islam."
San Francisco Chronicle
God knows why faith is thriving
Sunday, October 22, 2006
by Dinesh D'Souza
[. . .] "The prophets of the disappearance of religion seem to have proven themselves to be false prophets. Even though the world is becoming richer, religion seems to be getting stronger. The United States is the richest and most technologically advanced society in the world, and religion shows no signs of disappearing on these shores. China and India are growing in affluence, and the Chinese government is not exactly hospitable to religion, yet religious belief and practice continue to be strong in both countries.
Europe's best chance to grow in the future seems to be to import more religious Muslims. While Islam spreads in Europe and elsewhere, Christianity is spreading even faster in Africa, Asia and South America. Remarkably, Christianity will soon become a non-Western religion with a minority presence among Europeans."
ROGER, Hugh.
_______________________
and to yankd2 - your Naseem comment above was delicious!
Parody of "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)"
with apologies to Aerosmith
(That, that) Dude looks like a lady
(That, that) Dude looks like a lady
Cruised into a place on Paki TV
Her picture graced JW for all to see
She's Musharraf's lost love at first bite
Islam says you're wrong, but you know it's all right
That's right
(That, that)
(That, that)
Paki Muslims having the time
Of their lives until the Imams say
Forgive us if we seem out of line
Then they whipped out a gun
And tried to blow her away... because
(That, that) Dude looks like a lady
(That, that) Dude looks like a lady
So never judge a Quran by it's cover
Bisexual Muslims wish he was their lover
Love put us wise to her love in disguise
The body of a South Asian venus
Lord imagine the Musllah's surprise
(That, that) Dude looks like a lady
(That, that) Dude looks like a lady
Pervez would follow you down
Let him take a peek dear
Baby let him follow you down
Saying Do me, do me, do me all night
Do me, do me, do me, do me
The Begum's a funky lady
She like it, like it, like it, like that,
Ooh he was a lady
(That, that) Dude looks like a lady
(That, that) Dude looks like a lady
Where is Begum Nawazish Ali's veil? Doesn't his/her uncovered appearance cause uncontrollable sexual advances from the hyper-sexed Muslim males? Perhaps the Taliban would accept his cross-dressing if he wore a burqa for "protection".
It must be easy to be a Taliban transvestite...all you need to do is, put a blue sheet with eye-holes cut out, over your head. Voila.
I am surprised that D'Souza is no naieve and looks at things from a multicultural point of view, as if religions are interchangeable. The fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity is re deception. Christ clearly (again and again) makes it clear that all deception "comes from the evil one".
Deception is permitted in Islam. Mohammad did not condemn deception: he said "war is deception". He was the head of an Arab Einsatzgruppen that still condones violence and exploitation of unbelievers. It is a supremacist belief-system. That's why Hitler and Himmler thought it compatible with Nazi ideology. It is compatible with Nazi ideology.
Man is not so much a rational animal as he is a believing animal. Religion is necessary to man or else he will replace it with some other faith (Communism, Nazism, etc.). However, the more the world understands Islam, its founder, its permissions to deception, the more it will be considered loathsome. Its deception mandates are loathsome.
Weird, just plain weird.
Islamic hypocracy at its best.
"Begum Nawazish Ali, aka Ali Saleem, "When She Speaks, He’s Breaking All of Islam’s Taboos""
And she does so wearing in a Hindu Sari. If she tried breaking even a single islamic taboo clad in an islamic balnket, she would have felt the cold sharp edge of an islamic sword on her neck a long time ago.
Re Dinesh D'Souza who, either himself or his ancestors, as his name betrays, gave in to the Christians and got converted and is now lecturing Christians on the high standard of morality in muslims, one wonders why he just doesn't get converted again and become a muslim himself?
now where is Naseems when you need him/her? l mean they are problably twins. under every muslim man there is a cross dresser wanting to be carressed. sicko culture sicko cult.
The cross dresser will have to go but the halekons may stay!
if you dont know what a halekon is google the word "halekon"
What a riot......to the clever poster above stating it was Naseem! But I'm not surprised at this show's popularity, as homosexuality does appear to run rampant in the Islamic world because the sexes are not permitted contact with one another. Musharraf is probably shagging him/her. He does have a feminine way about him in his speaking tone. LOL!
“My biggest high is to see myself gorgeous in the mirror” he said.
Now 'thats' funny.
Following its mention above, I looked up the Pushtu word "halekon." A useful addition. Nothing to do with haloes or Halicarnassus. In the Western world, "catamite."
Damn! And I was hoping that Dinesh D'Souza could be a voice of opposition to Islam. What was I thinking? Marisol above has it completely right - that Islam, with its polygyny, temporary marriages, harems and the like has a closer resemblance with alternate lifestyles (and that's being insulting to the latter) than it does with traditional religious family values. I do know that I have more in common with Athiests (despite not being one) than I ever could with Muslims.
Good points. I recall reading something to that effect in Trifkovic's 'Sword of the Prophet'.
One less cross-dresser? Good. Be a man.
"This is Islamic Kabuki theater where the female parts were (are?) done by guys
Posted by: dennisw"
The French writer and travelogue Pierre Loti during his stay in fin du siècle Constantinople (1890s Ottoman Empire) wrote about his experience (in Aziyadé, available on-line) watching a play in apparently a somewhat seamy side of Istanbul. He attended this play during the feast of Bairam (which I think is the Turkish equivalent of Eid) with a Muslim acquaintance, Izeddin-Ali:
After Izeddin-Ali and I went just about everywhere in the city of Istanbul, at 3:00 a.m. we finished our explorations out the end of a tunnel in the outskirts of town, where we found young Asiatic boys, dressed up like dancing girls, performing lascivious dances in front of a crowd composed of what looked like renegades from the Ottoman justice system; it was a veritable orgy of disgusting improvisations. I had to excuse myself before the end of the show, worthy of the finer moments of Sodom itself, and Izeddin-Ali and I founds ourselves outside at dawn.
[Loti then goes on to talk about a popular puppet character of the Turkish stage, Mr. Karagueuz:]
The adventures and misdeeds of Mr. Karagueuz have amused innumerable generations of Turks... he offers many similarities to the old French buffoon; after having beaten all the world and getting his woman, he himself is beaten by Shaytan -- the Devil -- who finally takes Mr. Karagueuz away, to the great joy of the audience.
...
There is a moment when Karagueuz talks to the audience and gets embroiled in quarrels with them. He improvises jokes and nonsense, and does things in front of everybody that would scandalize even a monkey. In Turkey, this is allowed; the censors have nothing to say about this, and every evening one sees good Turks going off, lantern in hand, taking their children to see Mr. Karagueuz. There is offered in full view of little children a spectacle which, in England, would make even soldiers blush.
[Here's Loti the proto-PC Multiculturalist Islamophile:]
It's a strange trait of the oriental ways, and one would be tempted to deduce that the Muslims are much more depraved than we are, a conclusion which would be absolutely false.
The plays of Karagueuz premier the first day of the lunar month of Ramadan and run through for thirty days.
When the month ends, everything is taken up and dismantled. Mr. Karagueuz goes back for a year in his box and for that time never has the right to come out, under any pretext.
Weeelll, s/he looks very pretty! Looks like "Carmen Jones" a movie in which the luscious Dorothy Dandridge starred.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~oliver/ddiitsa.jpg
http://home.hiwaay.net/~oliver/dandridgelinks.html
I tell you, it's too bad God didn't make him a woman!
One think, he better git (!) while the going is good!
"THAT'S NASEEM!!!"
When I read that, I ROTL for 5 min. You guys are a lot of fun!
Gotta remember that for the next time Nassem shows up!
HEHEHEHEHEHEHHE !
That's Naseem when she was younger as she's now a much older woman who looks more like a man.
Whats the big deal? Muslim men dress like woman all the time. Geesh.
Lots of interesting posts. The various ones concerning Islamic polygamy sparked my curiosity. Just how is family life arranged in a polygamous family? Does Papa maintain a separate house for each wife? Or do they all live together in one big house? Are there ethnic differences involved, with Pakistanis, say, preferring one big house for all, while Moroccans prefer separate houses? Is there a special title that a child uses to address a wife that is not its mother, or is she simply addressed by name?
This leads to a more serious question. Just how widespread is polygamy in Islamic countries? Again, are there ethnic differences, with , say, only 5% of Turkish being polygamous, while, say 20% of Arab men are? Do the censuses in Islamic countries keep track of this?
Next, changing the topic a bit: it is well-known that in Western countries, a greatly disproportionate amount of the violent crime is committed by single young men, in roughly the 16-30 age group. In traditional societies, their role is to provide for their women and children. But in the modern West that role is taken over by the government. So these young fellows are useless and unnecesary to their society, and they know it. So they turn to crime as a means of demonstrating their prowess and importance. (I'm deliberately keeping the argument as simple as possible.)
So, in Islamic countries, if polygamy is really widespread, that leaves a lot of young men with no hope of ever having a wife and children. If it's rare, with maybe only 1% of men having more than one wife, then things aren't so bad. But what if it's more like 10%, with each husband having an average of 3 wives. That leaves 90% of the men to compete for only 70% of the women. So 20% of the young men are unnecessary extras, and they know it. ISLAMISFORLOSERS, your nom de blog is very apt. So they turn to jihad and suicide bombings to "prove themselves".
So, it would be really interesting to see some hard figures on islamic polygamy. If any bloggers know these figures or where to find them. please post.
Provoslavni - u rok dewd.
Assalamau Laikum all,
OK, OK you got me LOL....no but serioulsy the "begum" is very talented. I try to watch her show when I can....Danny la Rue is not a patch on the begum, (and don't say rubbish about how do I know of Danny).
"She" is contraversal and does take on difficult subjects in the show, and is very funny if you understand Urdu (which ofcourse you losers don't).
Mind you she has armed guards with her, whereever she goes....but that's the nature of things here in Modern Pak.
I'll bet that even the MMA mullas and mulanas watch the Begum in private...."she's" even had marriage propositions. ...LOL.
EWWWWWWWWWW
Naseem? Are you ignoring my posts about 'balls'?
"Danny la Rue is not a patch on the begum"
That's a curious locution -- "not a patch on" -- for Nasseem to be using, given the person he claims to be.
Naseem with falsies on AND "her" moustache shaved off...
@Naseem
Go ahead and post in Urdu! I dare you! I double dare you!
Before 9-11, American Muslims tended to vote Republican specifically on these "family values" issues. And the rants by some conservative talk-show hosts, like Dr. Laura Schlessinger, about "American immorality" were strikingly reminiscent of Islamist critiques of America: Dr. Laura argued again and again that it was immoral for Britney Spears and young women to expose their navels in public and that was an example of American decadence. A couple of years before 9-11, Dr. Laura told one female caller who had fled her abusive Saudi husband to go back to Saudi Arabia and face judgment under sharia rather than abandon her family!
Just a year ago, a poll taken among the rank-and-file of the Republican Party showed that they considered stopping abortion and same-sex marriage to be higher priorities than fighting terrorism.
The fact that the U.S. is split down the middle along these social-values lines actually hurts our ability to oppose Islamism. Hirsi Ali is an example of something we don't have much in America today--a left-wing feminist anti-Islamist. The only other one I can think of offhand is Tammy Bruce.
yep, that is naseem. ehehehehehh
Assalamaua Laikum Ynkedoodl2,
you say "Go ahead and post in Urdu! I dare you! I double dare you!"
you can have arjun sevak or Proud Indefel verify it.
and i say "loo attni sii baat hah...hum abhi Urdu may app ko laa jawab dataan haan, Lahore ki rahanai wali haan may".
(oh is that all, I can speak to you in Urdu in reply this instant, I am a resident of Lahore).
Itna saa shaak kaaro gay ...too aap ko sabhi lund kahana gay. ...
(do not doubt me so much...or all will accuse you of being a lund).
hey Naseem when a paki man cuts his beard off and puts on loaded bra, do they all look like you?
Hi Naseem,
Meh Urdu tora tora, bahut achaa nahi, but...
"Itna saa shaak kaaro gay" ????
Didn't you mean
"Itna sa shaadi karo gay" ?
Infidel Pride,
Do click on the link below to read all the 'TELLING' comments . Particulary mine and those of Ammmmmplllle bosomed mothereeeeeeeee eccclesiaticaaah....
And of course one Sane Voice Infidilus Maximus too. Tender Mercies of God !
Spread them around.....That is my Wish !
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014679.php#comments
Assalamau Laikum Provoslavni,
I see Ynkedoodl2 ran for cover then...too many of the Amerike doubt my Pak credentials...but I am who I am ...a female urdu speaking muslima Ahmadi...living in Lahore.
I agree with you...your knowledge of urdu is small...or perhaps you are testing me as well...or trying to be funni.
Just for your knowledge..
"Itna sa shaadi karo gay" ?
Shaadi is marriage....I am taking about shaak...which is suspicion.
Why are you peoples so suspicious about me, I am genuine and peace loving muslima who believes that the world will be ruled by Islam...although I 'm hoping it's the peaceful type ...Ameen
Apologies for spelling His Name wrong.
Infidelus Maximus.
Provoslavni,
You speak Hindustani ?
Naseem asks --
"why are you peoples so suspicious about me?"
I can't speak for other posters, but the thing that stands out to me are some of the 'inconsistent' statements you regularly make -- i.e., your hate speech towards America; but then you'll turn around and say you're a "peaceful woman". Huh?
Look up the word = INCONSISTENT
"inconsistent statements cannot BOTH be true at the same time."
You can't say that you're a peaceful woman and then turn around and hate people. It doesn't work that way, Naseem.
If you boast about being a peaceful woman, then your actions and speech need to line up with that declaration, otherwise people will consider you a liar and naturally be suspicious of you.
If you choose to consistently hate America, hate the Jews, hate 'whoever', then you need to STOP the lying by saying that you're a peaceful woman, because peaceful people do not go around spewing hate speech.
Sorry to have to tell you this, but suspicion is the price that liars have to pay for the choices they make.
This applies to me, this applies to everyone. I'm not saying that I'm perfect in this area, because I'm not, but please stop scratching your head in dismay wondering why no one seems to trust you, when you've created this suspicion all by yourself.
Sigh.
Absolutely agree with what Champ has posted above.
Why pay importance to this OBNOXIOUS toxin at all? Read whatever it farts through its oral orifice as one should never take one's eyes off one's opponent. But spurn by not responding but filing it in our memory.
I have read some 'Arthurian' comments thirsting to sort of rescue and rehabilitate. Disgusting.
Bear with me for posting the following in full.
However, what is poignantly HEARTRENDING is none of the indian columnists ever mention unambiguously the PERsecution and Massacre of JEWS by the monsters of the world.
Thiruvalluvar Emphatically Declares Eternal Damnation for the ungrateful wretched carcasses of the world. Lest any pedantic (sic) scholar of 'Indooooooism' should dare to pontificate I have quoted none other than THIruvalluvar as my Preemptive warning.
From Daily Pioneer:
"He deserved death and more
Kanchan Gupta
When a monster is put to death, the civilised world is supposed to celebrate and heave a sigh of relief. That's what happened when the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg tried Adolf Hitler's trusted men who survived the war, found them guilty of committing gross crimes against humanity, and marched them to the gallows of Allied justice.
Had 24x7 television come of age then, we can be sure the executions, held inside a gymnasium where two gallows were used alternately, would have been telecast live. In the absence of live broadcasting, draws were held and reporters invited to witness and photograph the brutal end to which those who perpetrated horrendous brutality were put, partly as justice but largely as retribution.
No tears were shed over the Nuremberg executions of October 16, 1946. Neither did anybody feel particularly re-morseful after Benito Mussolini was shot dead with his mistress by Italians on April 28, 1945, and then hung on public display in Milan, without being accorded the privilege of a trial.
Nor, for that matter, was there any mourning or grief when Japan's wartime Prime Minister Hideki Tojo was hanged as a war criminal on December 23, 1948. Barring black badges at AK Gopalan Bhawan in New Delhi, the world was not repulsed by the public execution of Romanian President Nicolae Ceausescu and his wife Elena on Christmas, 1989, after being picked up from their palace which, among other minor luxuries, had commodes crafted out of 24 karat gold.
It would also be instructive to recall the near silence that greeted the ghastly killing of Mohammed Najibullah, the dethroned President of Afghanistan, on September 27, 1996 by the Taliban. Along with his brother, he was dragged out of the UN compound in Kabul where they had been provided with refuge and enjoyed immunity under international law. The Taliban then proceeded to castrate and drag the two men behind a jeep, before shooting them and stringing up their bodies from lamp posts outside the presidential palace for two days.
In sharp contrast, the execution of Saddam Hussein on Eid-ul-Adha, after being found guilty by an Iraqi court of ordering the massacre of 148 Shias at Dujail, has triggered a dam burst of outrage and sympathy. Both are on ample display in India where 'secular' politicians who believe that the easiest way to get Muslim votes is to berate the US are tripping over each other to "denounce the execution of Saddam Hussein".
This can mean one of three things. First, those of our politicians who are pained by the exit of Saddam Hussein remain unmoved by the sorrow of tens of thousands of Muslims - Sunnis, Shias and Kurds - whose loved ones were remorselessly slaughtered for the perverse pleasure of the 'Butcher of Baghdad'. Second, in all probability many of those who are shedding tears over Saddam Hussein are ignorant of the heart-wrenching details of his tyrannical rule that lasted more than three decades. Third, they are dangerously indifferent, if not criminally cynical, about the moral markers that must set the course for a ruler anywhere in the world.
In his dying moments, Saddam Hussein may have chanted, "God is great" and "There is no god, but God", incantations that give the lie to the claim that he was the embodiment of "secularism", for a true Muslim cannot be truly secular. That does not, however, mean that he lived a godly life or conducted his temporal affairs in accord with god's word till his ouster by kafirs in 2003.
Such was the contempt among Iraqis for their fallen dictator that when he was picked up from the hole where he was hiding and grandiosely declared, "I am Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq, and I wish to negotiate", people mocked at him pitilessly. The contempt, distaste and hatred for Saddam Hussein were not unfounded - not then, not now.
Never mind the Sunni insurgents, most of them remnants of Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist regime, who are fighting with their backs to the wall, fearful of Shia majority rule and its implications. Ask the Iraqis who have suffered in silence for decades and they will tell you that if there is anything which upsets them about Saddam Hussein's execution, it is the fact that they have been robbed of the pleasure to see him die many times over for his innumerable crimes.
The current rickety dispensation in Baghdad headed by Prime Minister Nuri Kamel al-Maliki may not be the desired alternative. But whatever its weaknesses, it does not run a police state where the mukhabarat gets to decide who lives and who dies. Till Saddam Hussein's monstrous regime was in power, the mukhabarat was everywhere, much like Stalin's secret police, enforcing order not through rule of law but by unleashing terror, torture and death.
Such was the fear that Iraqis would be cautious about what they said at home lest their children repeat their conversation at school where teachers would seek promotion and benefits by carrying tales to the mukhabarat. Saddam Hussein set the ground rules for his stooges when, within days of coming to power, he slaughtered most of the top Ba'athist leaders, had the carnage videographed and ordered that the bloodletting should be screened in every town and village.
Over the years Iraqis came to fear the midnight knock. People would be picked up for "questioning" and they would never return home. Mothers lost their children, wives their husbands, children their parents. Entire families were devastated as Saddam Hussein insisted that not only should those whom he deemed guilty of indeterminate and imaginary crimes be punished, but also their first, second and third cousins.
While those who praise him for keeping fractious Iraq, an artificial construct to begin with, together are not entirely wrong, what they do not mention are the methods he used for this 'achievement'. For instance, during his 1987-88 campaign against Kurds, Saddam Hussein ordered mass slaughter on an unprecedented scale, killing at least 180,000 men, women and children. In Halabja, a Kurdish town, 5,000 Iraqis were gassed to death. He repeated the massacre in 1991, this time targeting Shias and leaving as many as 100,000 dead.
The victims of Saddam Hussein's criminality in the northern, Kurd-dominated areas and the southern, Shia majority areas were Muslims. As were the Sunnis he killed with equal cruelty. Those who cite prisoner abuse by US-led forces at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad forget that in the immediate aftermath of Iraq's liberation, thousands flocked the execution chamber of this jail and wept inconsolably while hugging the three ropes from which their flesh-and-blood had been hanged on the orders of Saddam Hussein's regime. Elsewhere, wailing men and women dug up mass graves with shovels and spades, many used their hands, to recover the skeletal remains of the ogre's victims.
"We reject considering Saddam Hussein as a representative of any sect in Iraq because the tyrant only represented his evil soul," the Iraqi Government said in a formal statement after his execution. For once, an official Arab response was not couched in loquacious, elliptical language. Tragically, that "evil soul" has now become the object of praise and worship among India's 'secular' charlatans".
Thanks C & C's!
Naseen is a lost cause, but I wanted her to know how transparent she is and to let her know that she doesn't fool anyone.
Nothing I said was in the hopes to produce a change her, but to let her know that I'm "on to her"....nothing more.
That's why I ended with a 'sigh', because I knew that I was waisting my breath, and that what I said would go in one ear and out the other.
And your last post was very informative -- thanks.
Champ,
Thank You! Bad mouthing is what I very much do and enjoy to sublimate my anger. I am not a stodgy sanctimonious ultra religious shabana azmi.
But these loathesome toxins are lethal. Deserving different strokes. American In Germany understood it perfectly...when someone was overeager to bring in mexicans.
Turn off that *charity gene* NO AMNESTY FOR THE UNDESERVING.
It is for our own welfare and safety.
arjun.sevak & Naseem
I lived in South Asia (India and Pakistan) for a couple of years back in the late '80s. Back then my spoken Hindi/Urdu was passable. Today it's almost all gone. Every now and then I'll rent some Bollywood movie just to see how much I still understand but lack of use will kill a second language.
What Hindi/Urdu I do hear is from my Desi (Indian and Pakistani) students but it's mostly Hinglish. This means that proper grammar is dead but my useless slang is stil fresh.
@Naseem,
Okay, you got me there, though I'm still not convinced that you are who you "seem" to be. Still, I was touched by your tale of Anwar, and my apologies if I accuse you wrongly.
Because I'm not a Muslim, I can say "I'm sorry."
Dear All (including Ynkedoodl2 I agree with what you have written) ( I mean we the non muslims, unpretentious, fun loving)
Let us not FEEL apologetic, as we have done nothing wrong. But apologise & apolgise we will, as we pay them back in their own currency- Taqqiya. Pincer and caught in cleft, they are.( sorry for my broken English)
Btw, about hindus in general.yes ,yes, the festivals celebrating and eating sweets hindus. In my own (so called) place I surreptitiously log in, read but cannot laugh (I am very much laughter prone and can really laugh with abandon).It is when I lock myself up in my bathroom (Thank God, there I am assured of privacy) that I laugh and laugh rewinding whatever I can recall. My misfortune is my acquaintances are incapable of laughing even if tickled. Talk of wryly mute irony.
I SINcerely wish the forked tongued liarcheats indians(hindus and all)all of them get ANNIHILATED by The Honourable Dawood Ibrahim(s).
I mean it.
Hell fire is reserved for holier than thou hubris filled indian pipples,politicians,jingoistic bloggers,policymakersetcetc.....CERtainly not for Dawood Ibrahim. Only those who have assimmilated Gnaaneshwari Geetha and Bhagavatham would be able to understand.
Let the Godforsaken indians not overstrut chorusing "indiashiningITsoooooperpowerrrrr".
Worth a Read:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7752_1723397,004100180006.htm
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