But of course, their nuclear program is peaceful. From Associated Press, with thanks to Davida:
Iran's chief nuclear envoy Ali Larijani said on Friday that Iran is committed to the peaceful use of nuclear technology but warned the situation could change if his country is threatened. "We oppose obtaining nuclear weapons and we will peacefully use nuclear technology under the framework of the Nonproliferation Treaty, but if we are threatened, the situation may change," He told a news conference after two days of talks in Beijing.Iran's nuclear chief said his country has produced and stored 250 tons of the gas used as the feedstock for uranium enrichment, state-run television reported Friday.
Vice President Gholamreza Aghazadeh, who is also the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, said Iran has kept the uranium hexaflouride gas, or UF-6, in underground tunnels at a nuclear facility in Isfahan to protect it from any possible attack.
"Today, we have produced more than 250 tons of UF-6. Should you visit Isfahan, you will see we have constructed tunnels that are almost unique in the world," State-run television quoted Aghazadeh as saying....
"Enemies have assumed that they can prevent the progress of the Iranian nation through psychological war and issuing resolutions, but they will be defeated," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying on state-run TV.
Well we do know that even though THEY are the ones doing all the " Threatening " these days , the minute they have Nukes they will instantly switch their Propaganda machine from making threats on US and their neighbors to acting the victim and pretending that everyone is out to get them. you will see a change in the retoric from aggressive to poor innocent victims. they will convince many Gov'ts and peoples that they are indeed being the ones being unjustly punished or attacked or victimized by Israel and the U.S and it's allies
They will Use turnspeak like we have never seen before. they will go from Bully to bullied and then claim justification WHEN they use them.
we have got to remember Ahmadinejads words.
his words are the key.
"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."
“relations with the United States are not a cure for our ills.”
“Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury,”
I love it that it will be our fault for them building and using nuclear weapons!! Blame us! Blame us! Blame us! Blame us!
A threatening country talks about being threatened.
It looks like islamic threats and terror are quadupling every day now.
http://civoc.com/society/?p=115
What goes in the tunnel must come out ... unless the entrances/exits get plugged.
The situation has already changed. The Iranian regime claims the U.S. threatens them on many occassions in the past. They are under threat from the U.S. now. They will continue to pursue weapons as they have during the whole of their project. They've probably bought a few off the shelf already to cover their rhetoric while they get their own program into sustaining mode.
This is not going to end with a whimper.
This will end with a bang.
http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/uf6/uf6v.htm
Hopefully this is more impetus for the US and Israelis and anyone else concerned about a free world to hasten the military plans to attack these facilities.. Unfortunately I don't think little Adolf and the mullahs will relent under sanctions, save an unlikely regime change by the people. I'm sure Ahmadinejad is listening intently to the directives of his Mahdi-Antichrist (incidentally in the Bible he is referred to as the "Prince of Persia") for the need of nuclear weapons.. God help us!
Boxter, your premise supposes that we have the intestinal fortitude to do that. Okay, now that you're back with us, Israel will have to do as you suggest. Their survival depends on it. Unfortunately, once they do, they'll come under fire from the rest of the world. Since we desire world approval more than anything else, we will turn on them as well. We are after all, a paper tiger. Israel goes it alone. Where have we heard that before?
What do they mean "if threatened"? A'jad has always threatened the world including wiping Isreal off the map. Those are fighting words and the west is still asleep. All Iran has to do, and they have the guts to do it... fly a commercial airliner in the U.S. or any western country and detonate an atomic bomb. A pre-emptive strike is necessary against this tyrant nation. If not, our gooses will be cooked! Now or never!
Off topic, but a video of several Americans kidnapped by islamic jihadists can be found at:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1e64f4e29&o=1
Even worse than the video are some of the comments posted on the page, which show absolutely no sympathy for these men and in fact, suggest that they deserved such treatment. We can only hope these men are still safe and will be released.
Wait. Weren't the Iranians only interested in developing nuclear power, not weapons? That was what we heard from all their apologists.
No matter. Soon it will be America's fault, as always. We "drove them to produce and threaten to use nuclear weapons". If they use them anywhere in the world the fault is ours.
That's what you'll hear from Democrats and the Europeans. If a nuclear terror attack is carried out anywhere in the world, any sane person would look to Tehran as the culprit, but our lefties will assume the US government set out to "frame" Iran "in order to get the oil".
Have Russia, China or France given Ahmadinejad's regime access to ICBMs? Unless Iran can attack us from across the Atlantic or with submarine launchers (how big is their navy?), Europeans and Arabs are most likely to suffer the consequences of a nuclear attack, even if it's aimed solely at Israel. We can only guess how much damage it would to the Mediterranean Sea.
It would prove that the European and Arab goverments were never really that concerned about the Palestinians, since they would be wiped out by such an attack.
Do Europeans care about their own future enough to take actions against Iran? Sadly, I doubt it. It's not good public relations for them to be seen admitting George W. Bush was right.
This has to stop! Is there no official response to these statements? i watch a lot of news from around the world and i'm not seeing anything on this!
WTF??? how can there be public consensus on something they know nothing about? is the mushroom cloud going to be the wakeup call?
don't answer that, i already know the answer.
Tunnels or not, they won't be able to avoid one weakness that such systems have -- the launch silos.
During the Iran/Iraq war, the U.S. began war gaming on the case of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. Various scenarios were played out. Massive destruction was inevitable.
Would that Iran would stop this insanity now before that scenario becomes a reality! I'm not holding my breath though.
"Unless Iran can attack us from across the Atlantic or with submarine launchers (how big is their navy?), Europeans and Arabs are most likely to suffer the consequences of a nuclear attack, even if it's aimed solely at Israel." Posted by PMK
I find the lack of a worldwide response VERY disturbing. Just goes to prove how anti-Semitic the world can be. It couldn't give a rat's xxs what happens to Israel....since Israel is full of Jews and produces no oil for them.
On the comment above, I think you quickly forget that when North Korea (in July) launched missiles, Iranian engineers were present. We must also remember that 7 of the missiles DID hit their targets - only the long-range one failed.
It is wildly foolish to believe that North Korea would not give Iran its missile technology and/or that Iran has not received nuclear materials or knowhow from North Korea.
North Korea might not and I say MIGHT NOT be able to hit the US mainland, but what about Hawaii? What about Japan, etc.?
What is most disturbing is the article I read only yesterday. I think something horrible is planned between these 2 nations. A possible simultaneous attack on Israel and the US. They may also attempt to hit the UK.
Check out yesterday's article. Coincidence? Or something sinister? You decide.
Activity spotted at North Korea nuclear test site.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&storyID=nSEO175201&imageid=top-news-view-2007-01-05-111411-RTR1KWFT_Comp%5B1%5D.jpg&cap=Japan's%20Prime%20Minister%20Shinzo%20Abe%20answers%20questions%20during%20an%20interview%20with%20Reuters%20at%20his%20official%20residence%20in%20Tokyo%20January%205,%202007.%20Abe%20said%20that%20if%20North%20Korea%20conducted%20a%20second%20nuclear%20test,%20Japan%20and%20the%20international%20community%20would%20take%20tougher%20measures.%20REUTERS/Toru%20Hanai&from=business
"On the comment above, I think you quickly forget that when North Korea (in July) launched missiles, Iranian engineers were present."
Yes, I thought everyone knew that. But Pakistan has played a key role. Some say still is.
Ahhh -- the inverted thinking of Iran strikes again. Iran has been BEGGING for a fight for over a year now, and now they're trying to turn things around so that they can look like the victim. Well, we won't fall for it, and Iran will get what they've been asking for, and more: Justice.
If we witness Israel being nuked or we ourselves are attacked by North Korea, I will blame world POLITICIANS because they did nothing.
IF our nation stands for liberty and justice for all, and IF our politicians believe the US has a responsibility to deal with despots, then this is the time when they should be busy.
They should support Israel and help them nuke Iranian facilities. They should get rid of the test sites in NK that threaten the citizens of the US.
Instead the Democrats are busy congratulating themselves over their win (a win that was the result of the Republicans ignoring their base in favor of corporations). Republicans still lack the intelligence to admit their mistake and to get back to listening and serving their base.
If the US is STILL a relevant world power, then it should do something. Folks, the fact is, the politicans in washington have become as useless as the UN. They are pathetic and disloyal. Corporations want Iranian oil....and so Iran can do whatever it likes to Israel. Our politicians are puppets of the greedy.
Unfortunately, the ordinary people in this world are going to scream at the horrors they will suffer and/or witness because of the 'powers that be' which are allowing evil like Iran and North Korea and even Islam to have a free ticket.....all so that THEY can profit.
Also, toward the end of the Iran/Iraq war, which at that time was in the interest of the U.S. to back Iraq, the "scud" missile was developed. The Iraqis managed to get the missile half-way working properly but even then they had to rely on Western technology. Neither Iraq nor Iran were able to master missile technology on their own.
This is still a sticking point for Iran. They need some help with this still.
Notice: the last word in the first paragraph, “Beijing.”
China had helped the building of Nuke in Islamabad, Pyongyang, and now Teheran, besides with Moscow’s help.
Americans are smart savants, good at debates, good at inventing, good at marketing, good at making laws, good at blab-blab-blab-blab, and good at breeding chicken-hearted children who want the news media to lead the country.
If America had been as ruthless as her enemies, her enemies would not have stood a chance; but America has chosen the American media to lead the country. The media is the nagging mother who eggs on the chicken-hearted children to cower.
Funny, I looked that my private address book last night, where I only enter the names of those I considered friends and relatives; I counted almost a hundred of them. Out of all these, I have found about 80% of them hate Bush or Republican conservatives or the War, including my Christian friends. Just recently, most of these people were at a birthday party on the night the Democrat won the election. Some of us, men, were in the garage with the TV tuned in to it. I saw them shouting exuberantly, “Go, go, go Democrat!”
Since then, I have had dinner with a couple of families, who piped out, “Go, go, go Democrat!” As a sidetrack of an after dinner conversation, I asked them if they remember Nancy pelosi. They looked at me as if I was incoherent, and asked, “erh…you mean…?” so I said, “She was the woman on TV who said, “The American people have spoken…. on the election night.” I wanted to ask whether the have heard about Keith Ellison, but I decided to refrain from it, lest they consider me of being rude.
This morning, when I was driving to work, I reflected upon the elation among these friends of mine, on the night of the election, and came to remember that the last time I saw them shouted “Go-go-go,” was at the Superbowl Game. Seeing how these people voted the Democrat without knowing who Nancy Pelosi and Keith Ellison are, I have an inkling that Americans see politics just as how they see a football match, without the slightest connection to the preservation of the country.
Assume that Bush is truly stupid, I would be very happy that he is not as smart as the Democrats like Nancy Pelosi, Keith Ellison, Ted Kenedy, and their cohorts, including the no-clue voters who elected them, who are capable of to tear the country apart in the name of seizing power in Washington.
Many of you have questioned me in the past, “What can Bush do?” As Nancy Pelosi said, “The President is incompetent.” My answer to you is, “Yes, he is definitely not as competent as Nancy and Keith Ellison and including YOU, when come to destroying America.”
This concludes the lone voice of an immigrant, with poor English, of course!
"If we witness Israel being nuked or we ourselves are attacked by North Korea, I will blame world POLITICIANS because they did nothing."
Remember Clinton approving missile technology for China? BIG MISTAKE!
The West never learns! "The love of money [greed] is the root of all evil."
Not only will politicians sell their own souls, but ours too if possible.
Congratulations to you America! You have chosen the Iranian wishes; that is, “Death to America.”
"but America has chosen the American media to lead the country. The media is the nagging mother who eggs on the chicken-hearted children to cower." by SSA
SSA, America has been slowly poached. The ordinary citizen does not have a clue that they were divided for political purposes but that the real power in this country (big business)via lobbying, has taken over our government. Our politicians are puppets and our government are in bed with corporate America. Our politicans are not nationalist - they are globalist. The ordinary American has no voice. The media is owned by about 6 corporations and I mean ALL of the media - tv, newspapers, radio. The media serves corporate America and will only report what will profit those who own it.
If Americans are foolish, it is in believing that this country is theirs anymore. It's in being too tired and indifferent to stand up and say we need a new party that will be FOR THE PEOPLE. It is in demanding that we have representation in Washington that will serve the folks that voted them in. Americans should DEMAND that lobbying be outlawed.
We do NOT need a separation of Church and State. We NEED a separation of government and corporations.
P.S. The 'media' said that people voted Democrat because they were "anti-war". Remember hearing that?
Fact is, the Democrats are ticking their own base off now because they are NOT doing anything to get the troops out of Iraq.
They won't either! Know why? Because THEY are also bought off by corporate America and big business does not want to forfeit Iraq. They are too busy being greedy thinking of the cheap oil and big business opportunity that they will have over there if the area is settled. Imagine the sucking sound of more of our factories being moved to the large labor market of cheap labor in Iraq. Imagine our corporations having access to that cheap oil while running a business in Iraq.
Can't imagine it? Corporate America is and so are the Democrats......just watch and learn.
P.S.S. In a GLOBAL economy, oil is paramount. Russia, China and the US are ALL interested in running the ME because they ALL want to plant factories there for the cheap oil to run them and the cheap labor to work them.
After all, which would be cheaper for corporate America? Moving a factory to China....and having to buy the energy at China's rate OR moving factories to Iraq and getting the oil to run the factories DIRT CHEAP? It's all about profit.
When I worked in Dubai, UAE, the gasoline there cost around 14 cents a gallon.
Get the picture?
Last comment. China is becoming expensive. China is now outsourcing to Vietnam.
Great!!!!
The Iranian mullahs can and most likely will take out two or three US cities without provocation when they attack (as of course will be the case and we all know it).
The USA will retalliate, and, in turn take out their entire rathole of a country, lock, stock and barrel!
ps--Bush is a true p*ssy for waiting this long to take action against these megalomaniacs. The USA should have done something about Iran long before THIS. An EMP deployment over Iran's airspace would work best...but will oour bozo in the White House figure this out in time?
Bush Formally Declares Normal Trade Relations With Vietnam
http://english.vietnamnet.vn/politics/2007/01/649635/
I'm a little confused. Iran is constructing a nuclear energy program for peaceful purposes, but just in case will make some bombs so that in the event it feels threatened...
Did I miss something?
pythagoras ...OUR 'BOZO' IS WINDOW DRESSING. THE POWERS THAT BE HAVE A MUCH DIFFERENT AGENDA. READ ABOVE.
Pythagorus:
..."The Iranian mullahs can and most likely will take out two or three US cities without provocation when they attack (as of course will be the case and we all know it).
The USA will retalliate, and, in turn take out their entire rathole of a country, lock, stock and barrel!"
If they can, it's because they've been invited to do so by this government. Open borders are a red carpet invitation. I just wonder if there will be any kind of "protest" at the White House or on Capitol Hill, afterwards.
But I doubt your scenario of retaliation against our attackers will happen. That wouldn't be very progressive, enlightened, or PC of us, now would it?
I wonder if these almost unique tunnels are as sophisticated and marvelous as the caves that Bin Laden was using in Afghanistan?
Hey, The Iranians have stated they do not require provocation to use nuclear weapons. They intend to destroy Israel no matter what is going on. They have stated this many times.
All this Iranian bravado will come back to haunt them.
One day in the future, Muslims will say, "Dang those Iranians, What were they thinking?"
ssa
There's a name for our pain
George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield -- all Republicans put the mammary glands of this country into the proverbial wringer.
We're now between Iraq and a Hard Place!
Per Pelosi: "The voters didn't 'hire' the Democrats, they fired the Republicans.
Most Americans would be content with the Republican platform indefinitely if it weren't for that ass clown they put in the White House.
There's a name for our pain: King Georgie-Boy the Dhimwit!
What kills me, KILLS ME!, is how the world is LITERALLY standing by WATCHING as we argue amongst ourselves and Iran is slowly but surely ploding onward to developing nuclear weapons.
It reminds me of that commercial where an entire table of ppl in a restaurant sit there and discuss this one lady who's choking, talking about what they could do to stop her from choking, their options, different methods for the Heimlich (spelling?) maneuver, and all the while she's choking on food. Finally, a man walks over from another table and does the Heimlich maneuver and then she's fine.
*SCREAM!!*
And re: our retaliation/reaction if Iran ever did act on their threats to 'wipe Israel off the map' with nukes...
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I believe, in this effed up, hand-wringing, paralyzingly-PC, anti-American world we are living in today, I believe that the world's PRESSURE on the US to *NOT* retaliate with our own nukes would be much too intense to bear, and we would, in fact, back down to NEGOTIATE instead. Remember, only the US and Israel are expected to take threats and attacks from enemies that are openly hostile to them and never, ever retailiate militarily.
Here is a question. Are Iranian passenger flights allowed into the UK, USA or Canada?
A scary thought, if so.
This IS Bill Clinton speak. Listen to what the Iranian says. He says the do not want nuclear proliferation (BY OTHER NATIONS SO THEY CAN THREATEN THEM). The Iranian says nothing about the missing SS 20 Soviet warheads Iran probably purchased on the blackmarket, but instead states Iran will abide by peaceful use "unless threatened". Threats to Iran mean Israel existing, UN sanctions and all Arab Sunni.
So Iran is telling the world it will use the SS 20 warheads on it's Shahab 3 missiles.....is why France told them last year they would nuke Iran.
sounder:
Iranian air flights into the USA were suspended some 26 years ago.
I can't speak for Canada or the UK.
It's simply amazing to watch these events unfold.
Iran: We only want nuclear power for peaceful purposes but if we're threatened/attacked we'll respond with nukes.
Unless you admit that Islam is the religion of peace we'll kill you.
What is Iran's game? Why would Iran threaten to use nukes AND tell the world supposedly where their UF-6 gas is at the same time? Why such an invitation for a first strike? Is this a lure?
"I'll leave you to your misery and morale-destroying moanings: you seem to be enjoying encouraging my enemy. Do you know so little of warmongering then?"
Not quite sure what you meant but please keep in mind Mother E. that some of us have relatives who live in Israel. This occupies their minds and fears on a daily basis. They are scared and rightfully so. (sorry if I misunderstood you)
What does this mean are they going to use the Nuclear weapons that they are NOT developing?? Or are they really developing weapons? Either way they are LIARS . Is this he real face of the so called 'Religion of Peace' LOL
Precisely, JennBee.
I'm glad there are at least some in the conservative ranks, who are not too blind to see that we have become a paper tiger. We will not retaliate with force. The rest of the world knows it too. That is the only reason the Koreas and Irans are increasing and the world is encouraged to nuclear proliferation. There is no deterent beyond bribes and empty threats. We seem to be the last ones to understand that we no longer impress or intimidate anyone when we boast of ourselves as THE ONLY SUPERPOWER. Paper Tigers should know when to flee a gathering storm.
Ynkedoodl2,
Both Cheney and Rumsfeld have served since 1969. Why weren’t they christened as clowns during 1969-2000?
Clowns they are as you said-- a stale sentiment from media echo chamber.
Maybe most posters here are too young to remember Mutually Assured Destruction (M.A.D.).
It was a deterent to sane but agressive countries around the world. If they struck nuclear, we would strike nuclear. It would all be over.
The problem now, is that there are an increasing number of agencies around the world, that that no longer frightens. Even in a country like Iran, the rantings of Ahmadinejad are not enough for his own people to take him out. They don't fear M.A.D.
When has Iran ever felt they were NOT threatened? The very existance of Dar al-Harb has always been considered a threat to them.
In other words, Iran will eventually develop nuclear weapons but will only use them if the Western World has not converted to Islam by then.
Finally -- the truth is out! We always knew that Iran was lying, and that their nuclear program wasn't just for "peaceful" means.
Now it's time to "wipe Iran off of the map" by destroying their nuclear plants -- before it's too late.
Now it's time to "wipe Iran off of the map" by destroying their nuclear plants -- before it's too late.
Posted by: champ
Champ, IF ONLY. Unfortunately, those folks who are REALLY the world power are too interested in getting hold of the ME oil and cheap labor so that they can move their China factories to where the labor is cheaper and the oil is practically free.
Don't hold your breath.
They don't fear M.A.D.
Why should they fear M.A.D. when it is the express ticket to Paradise?
What greater honor could there be for Ineedajob than to know the ultimate blessings of Allah will be put upon him in Paradise for destroying Israel?
Does it matter to him how many millions follow, by free will of martyrdom or not?
Anyone with a Brain larger than a Rat knows the Iranian Nuclear program serves no purpose other than Weapons production. Anymore than N. Korea's, Saddam's or Pakistan's was.
The Progressive Multiculturalists keep endorsing Iran's "legitimate" right to develop such Technology. While pressing that "right" down our throats. Intentionally omitting any debate about The Responsibility such Nations have by their possession.
Considering Iranian "responsibility" is non-existent. The Moderates in Iran are of the mindset of those who took us Hostage in 79'. Chanted Death to the Jews and the US. ever since. It is hard to fathom how what passes for both Leadership and News Reporting can so willfully ignore reality.
I take Ineedajob at his word.
The Demoncrats expect change. They will get it. Just not the change they promised the Voters.
The President needs to come out with the bluster he showed after 9/11. The President would be well served ticking off, one by one, all the statements the Iranian Government Has made threatening us over the last 6 months. The Nation would be well served if he did. With the demoncrats sandwiched between surrender and Cindy Sherant.
I would welcome the President confessing during a National address that he did lie to the American people. It just wasn't the issue of WMD as the press has lead you to believe.
The lie was the one about Islam being a peaceful Religion. It is not that I didn't understand the nature of the Religion. It was just my desire to keep the conflict with Terrorists isolated in the hope that Moderate elements within Islam would renounce the Violence in Allah's name. Unfortunately that turns out to not be the case....
Each days passing makes anything like Victory more problematic. With the destruction of Israel more likely.
Q.What did the Japanease admiral say after Pearl Harbour was attacked?
A. I think we have awaken a sleeping giant.
Q. Did America respond?
A. Yes
Q. Is the sleeping giant awaken now?
A. Definately not!
Hey Folks, As I said before, HERE is the reason nothing will be done.
Our politicians are PUPPETS.
So much for congressional lobby reform?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16490854/
Any Iranians reading this should think long and hard about their leaders’ threats against the victors of the Cold War.
Mother Ecclesiastica,
Making people aware of WHY things are not getting dealt with in the ME is hardly giving in to the enemy.
PRETENDING that everything is okay and ignoring the reasons for WHY government is not dealing with Iran, Syria, etc. is the REAL weakness that exists with the American public.
I do not want to see our country destroyed because those we VOTE into Washington do nothing to stop despots. I do not want to see us lose our freedom and liberty and values because those we elect care more about protecting the 'constitutional rights of corporations' rather than protecting the citizens that put them in Washington. I LOVE my country and what I want more than anything is for our public officials to be patriotic and nationalist and to serve 'we the people'.
By pointing out the fact that corporations are being catered to (via lobbying) and for financial gain, despots are being allowed to threaten Israel and the US - I am TRYING to get my fellow Americans who love this country fired up - to stand up and take back control of this country from the corruption - before it is too late.
Given a choice between putting my confidence in American citizens and corporate America and their media, I will choose American citizens every day of the week.