Netanyahu: Iran can still be stopped

I've been wondering where on earth Bibi has been throughout this national suicide crisis. I have always been very much in support of the nation of Israel, but I feel like I'm watching a Holocaust movie... wondering why? why are they just walking into their doom? Why won't they fight for one another? Why should we fight on their behalf if they will not?

"Weakness invites pressure."
"The weakness of the Olmert government only expedites the decline of Israel's stature, both in the Middle East and around the world."

Amen to that. Olmert is doing a great disservice to Israel, and at a time when they need it the least.

Olmert and Crew are playing the role of Jewish Police working on behalf of Islamo-Nazis. They must keep things calm and orderly and politically correct- while Israel becomes a temporary ghetto on the path to extermination.

Israel has always existed as a fact and asserted itself as FACT. Now all has gone soft, the very idea of a Jewish state is fuzzy, the borders negotiable, 'a certain number of rockets' raining down is 'tolerable'. Soft and rotten and diseased.

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On November 23, the Glenn Beck show had an one hour interview with Benjamin Netanyahu.

" War IS deceipt " Muhammad taught it and the Palestinian, Iranians , and the rest of the Islamist world have repeatedly proven that not only do they understand it , but they live by this motto, and worship it. The proof is in every single failed/broken ceasefire,every rocket attack , kidnapping, suicide bombing and beheading!

The Muslim has broken EVERY single treaty/ceasefire that it has ever signed or agreed to,and they only honor them long enough to regroup and rearm! , cause " War is deceipt" yet we STILL make treaties with them . ????

They have proven time and time again thay they speak out of both sides of their mouths. one voice is talking of brotherly love and peace and tolerance all while the other side is talking of genocide and mass murder. Their actions over the last 50 years have clearly proven which Retoric they are actually aligned with and what their true intentions really are.

Israel has also succumbed to the same DISEASE that Western Culture is afflicted with; Political correctness in the face of Overwhelming Evidence and Deceipt , A fear to recognise that both sides do not neccessarily want peace .

In the name of Logic, sanity and the future of Western civilization we must draw the line now!.

Can we not recognise True Evil anymore, are we afraid? even when it repeatedly threatens us and spits on and curses our way of life? and prays for the day it has the capability to make us B" ow down and submit " to this Arcaic Genocidal Religion?

NO more broken TREATIES!
NO more last Chances!
NO more Murder in ISLAM's Name

NO MORE!

The Islamic world needs to know that the jig is up. we see right through you and we are NOT going to accept them bringing the world to the brink of Armaggedon whether it be for their Fabricated " Humiliations " or their twisted religion which demands it , or their Prophet or whatever. Islam needs to be PUT ON NOTICE.

It's US or THEM time, and we really need to start believing it and seeing these events as such,not just Unralated incidences. almost Everyone here knows this is and knows how the Muslim mind works and see's it.

Israel and the rest of the Western world needs a leader who is willing , and able to strike back(like Natanyahu ) , and to stop negotiating with thugs and murderers and draw the FINAL line in the sand.

Time is running out, for Israel and then for us.

But mostly ,it should be running out for ISLAM

As I said before....Olmert is in a bigger coma than Sharon ever could be.

If Israel INSISTS on having a ruler..... as opposed to living for and trusting in God....then why not Bi Bi? He's got his head on straight.

What I cannot understand is lefty liberals in Israel, cutting their own throats!

"can" and WILL are two different things aren't they. Of course they can be stopped, the question is , will they be stopped ? I used to think yes, the US and Israel will stop them, but now I think not. I hope I am proven very,very wrong.

Unfortunately, for Israel, the Scriptures tell us that things are going to be really horrible there before the Israelis will cry out to God.

Listening to the PC passifist morons in the UN, EU and US is just a waste of time. Trusting in and depending on governments/institutions whose politicians are are merely puppets for the 'financial interests' that pull their strings is plain stupid.

When the penny drops, Israel will turn to God. Until then, things will go from bad to worse.

Israel doesn't have a problem with Iran; it has a problem with
Israeli Jews - plagued with doubt about the rightness of their cause.

Everytime Israel tosses the "Palestinians" a bone I fool myself into thinking, "This is just so that, when the Palestinians keep murdering Jews anyway, Israel can say they tried before they drive them in Jordan where they belong." But it never ends.

Olmert is a disgrace.

Yes, I agree CaptainG -- call me cynical, but I wonder about Bibi. Does he really have what it takes? -- or is it just so much hot air because he's outside the government (if ever back in office, it'd once again be a different story).

I keep thinking about that article "No substitute for victory" by John Lewis (and the two options presented.) As time goes on, the first option (the one fought for victory -- ie, burn them to the ground) seems to become increasingly remote. Both the U.S. and Israel seem intent upon embracing that second option. Pathetic...

It has for sometime now, appeared that a good deal of the Jewish people need a re-affirmation of faith in themselves, and their country, they need a strong, and resolute cheerleader who speaks to their rights, and the strengths of their foundations' to exist in their land. But they cannot due it alone, they need the support of other true democracies throughout the rest of the world to stand firm against those totalitarian regimes that are most often driven by the hateful antisemitism that is preached in the Quran, and the hadith towards them.

Those who believe in the freedoms that democracy brings have a serious responsibility to defend it just as America's Greatest Generation did against Emperialist Japan, and Nazi Germany as well as those brave men in Australia,Canada,Britain and many other democratic nations did.

There is no substitute for complete victory against the free worlds enemies. There is no room for appeasement, or compromise against an enemy that sees any form of capitulation a victory for them.

It is a sad state of affairs that the most honorable,noble,and idealistic defenders of our freedoms are our young men, and woman who seem to understand it better than many. The question is, why do they understand it and appreciate it more than many of us do? It is for the very simple reason that because they are young and in their short lives they have just began to experience those wonderful freedoms that to many of us have complacently taken for granite over the years; and that is a sad, and pitiful commentary on many of us.

But they cannot do it alone, they need the support of other true democracies throughout the rest of the world to stand firm against those totalitarian regimes that are most often driven by the hateful antisemitism that is preached in the Quran, and the hadith towards them....posted by Mackie

Mackie, the reason no other country will step up to the plate is this....

Bush served his purpose for corporate America for 2 terms.....he allowed the flood of illegal immigrants into the US (cheap labor) and he gave corporate America a free ticket to send our jobs overseas...with no attempt to stop the sucking sound. He enriched corporate America by tax benefits.

Now, that he has served his purpose, Corporate America is ready for bigger fish.....this is why the Media helped get the Democrats elected.

NOW the goal is globalization. A North American Union to compete by eliminating tarrifs between Canada, US and Mexico. An ability to allow cheap labor into the country by allowing members of the NAU to live and work in any of the 3 countries.

Corporate America will be rubbing their hands together at the thought of building factories in Mexico. Mexico will see it as a benefit. Canada too will like the idea of cheap labor and all the other benefits of membership.

I would be willing to bet that Globalization and a North American Union will be in the news very soon. With the Democrats in office, it's going to be an absolute cake walk for them.

By the way....we the people were 'useful idiots' in that they conquered us by dividing us. Corporate America has no use for Israel. Israel is expendable....unless of course there was oil found there. Corporate America is more interested in peace in the ME at the expense of Israel so that they can get their hands on the oil and cheap labor more easily.

2007 should be a very interesting year for Isreal as well as suprising.

Look for "buyers regret " to set in folks.

Here's at least one Israeli who gets it:

http://www.jewukr.org/observer/jo22_41/p0103_e.html

Tristan-

Irrelevant.

Islam and the US are still mortal enemies, and would be whether Israel existed or not.

Tristan-

Irrelevant.

Islam and the US are still mortal enemies, and would be whether Israel existed or not.

Posted by: treehugger

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Exactly, that is why they refer to Israel as the " Little Satan " , and the U.S. as the " Great Satan "

Hush... Olmert hears the whisper of peace
http://cyberray-rays.blogspot.com/2006/12/whisper-of-peace.html#links
"The state of Israel is open to any whisper of peace from our neighbors and across our borders," he said

Tristan's opening attack sounds an awful lot like nariz... who did have his problems with the Jews, but not quite to this extent.

One thing I didn't see Tristan, was Israelis dancing in the streets in joyous rapture at the killings of Americans like the Palestinians (so-called) did! And Arafat waving his arms around trying to get them to shut up.

Furthermore, I don't blame Netanyahu nor any other Israeli for breathing a sigh of relief at the thought of the world's superpower helping them, in a realistic way, in combating terrorism.

The simple truth is that neither Americans nor anyone else knows what's it's like to have men, women, and children blown to bloody bits by homocide bombers quite like the Israelis do. Having to live under threat of terrorist attack from psychopaths day in and day out for decades.

Marine Corps leaders are strong, Muslim leaders are strong (relatively strong; Al Sadr gives me great comfort), business leaders in competitive industries are strong, leaders of Western democracies are weak. Their job description encourages weakness, especially as the electorate has become more disengaged, self-identifying, and divided.

I hope President Bush can stick by his ‘No Nuclear Weapons for Iran’ pledge better than he stuck by the term ‘Islamofascist’. I worry about the future of democracy.

Tristan, your command of the English language is way beyond mine. Really interesting reading. I had to re-read the events related to the bombing of the King David Hotel. I used to think that this event was probably their worst moment. However, the hotel was a base of British military base, and they were warned. Exactly how many times has it happened that "terrorists" warned their targets, in advance. And how do we distinguish the terrorist from the freedom fighters. Well, some say uniform is what separates the terrorist from freedom fighters. But by that definition we would also call the French resistance during WW2 terrorists. No, I think indiscriminate killing of civilians is a better definition, and the King David Hotel was not a falafel stand. Sure, this definition is not perfect, Dresden comes to mind, and I'm sure some of you scream Lebanon. Once the war machine gets moving, it operates by it's own logic.

I fear for the people of Israel. Netanyahu is correct in that a listing leadership is endangering the people of Israel not only form Israel but the United States. While President Bush has done an excellent job in giving Israel a free hand to defend it's self ( I think, thought the time line of a few weeks was terrible to place on Israel during the Lebanon terrorist attack ) he has done a terrible job in confronting Iran. As a matter of fact his whole " War On Terror " has accomidated Iran! From toppling the Taliban ( a rival ' revolutionary ' model government to their own ) to toppling Saddam ( Iran's arch nemis and suppresor of the Shiites ) to even knocking off Zarwari in Iraq ( the most prolefic slayer of Shiites in Iraq ). Now when it comes time to confront Iran on the battlefield if needed the mantra is " we are strecthed too thin in Afghanistan and Iraq to carry out any other military opperation ". Throw on top of all that the failed statagy to contain North Korea's nuclear ambitions and you see a paved road ahead for Iran to develop it's nukes.

And who is to say Pakistan ( Sunni ) will just sit around while Iran ( Shiite ) develops it's nukes. Israel cannot single handedly stop Iran and the way it is going Iran will develop it's nukes. Such an event will ensure that with in a decade there will be a nuclear exchange in the Middle East between Iran & Israel or and Iran & Pakistan. Millions will die.

-----Nossy

"Recently, the US secretary of defense said he was unable to rule out a possibility that Iran would launch a nuclear attack against Israel. He also noted that the US would take against Iran only as a last resort. These words raise doubts as to American intentions to bring Teheran's nuclear race to a halt. These words are not to be taken lightly".

This statement is worrisome. Everytime a high US official makes a statement like this disaster ensues. In 1950 a similar sounding statement led to the Korean War. In 1990 a similar sounding statement led to Saddam's Kuwait invasion. If I'm
A-Nut I'd interpret this as a green light to nuke Israel without fear of a US response. If I'm in Israel I'd be seriously worried. Somebody had better get Olmert out of his coma before israel will cease to exist-his non action is practically treasonous.

Bibi was my nomination for anti-dhimmi of the year. I'm hopeful that my confidence in him is not mis-placed.

KORAN CONTAINS NOT A HINT AT PEACE

- Is there a slightest hope to conclude peace with Arabs?

- Not in the least. The long hand of Ishmael (ancestor of all Arabs) knows no other state than that of permanent war. This is jihad, the sacred war of Muslims against "infidels". Jihad is a duty established by Koran.

- Is it true that Muslims really want to rule the whole world? Isn't it a terrifying prospect?

- Unless we understand the culture of Muslims and how their outlook differs from ours, this idea itself will seem incredible. But we have to know - this is the basis of Islam. Both secular Arabs and Muslims, who are fundamentalists, pursue the same purposes which have the same roots called Islam.

The laws of Islam are built on two inviolable principles. They are Koran and "precedents". The word "precedents" means the life and doings of Mohammed. Whatever Mohammed did is the rule for Muslims to follow. He, according to Islam, was faultless. That is why all generations follow the laws of Islam (sharia - in Arabic), which are based on two sources. On the one hand, it is Koran, on the other hand, it is Sunah, that is commentaries, which explain Koran's directives. The laws of Islam are the corner stones of civil, government and criminal codes. They are also the corner stones of Arab outlook, laws of Arab countries, as well as of laws on peace and war.

http://www.jewukr.org/observer/jo22_41/p0103_e.html

It is writen a time will come when "all" nations will come together and attack israel!
10 years ago i used to laugh at this prophecy. all nations will come together to attack israel, it will never happen!
Today, however; i realioze there is only one entity on earth that can bring all the nations together to attack israel, that being the united nations!
I wasnt surprised in the least that israel is blamed for all the problems ,weakness and failures of the muslims and the islamic ummah!
muhammad prophicied that the muslims would subdue and enslave the Jews and totally destroy Judaism! Every day the Jews live in freedom is a day that proves muhammad and islam are nothing more than a man made satanic cult!
Now the reins of americas power through the congress have been handed to the coward dhimmicrats! We are already being conditioned by these dhimmicrats to permit the muslims to attack and destroy Israel. These coward dhimmiocrats are demanding Israel makes concessions to the terrorist muslims that in essence assures Israels destruction!
These coward dhimmicrats blame Israel for all the problems in the middle east, if not for israel they believge there would be peace in the middle east amongst the muslims and thew infidel!
Today, i can see america with the coward dhimmiocrats holding the reins of power and all the nations represented in the united nations coming together to attack Israel to seek her destruction!
The dhimmicrats will sacrifice Israel and American citizens for whatever their cause may be!

"Netanyahu: Iran can still be stopped"

But who will stop it?

Of course, we must remember Saddam taunted the world for quite some time before someone (Bush) took him up on it. At the time, we thought that he had some nasty stuff.

(He probably did. Was it taken to Syria?)

Olmert doesn't have it in him--perhaps he will he when it looks as if the whole shebang'll be coming on Israel? He sure screwed up the Hezbollah war.

Would Netanyahu? He is a politician first--as are all in the Israeli ruling elite. He didn't appear strong enough when he held the reins of government.

And the US?

We'll have to wait and see.

Sittin' on a cornflake, waiting for the band to play.

dennisw - Hmmmm, synchronicity perhaps?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014646.php#c328200

Goobs:

"Bush served his purpose for corporate America for 2 terms.....he allowed the flood of illegal immigrants into the US (cheap labor) and he gave corporate America a free ticket to send our jobs overseas...with no attempt to stop the sucking sound. He enriched corporate America by tax benefits"

With all do respect your comments on mind are at the least out in left field from my comments above yours.

Goobs where have you been?.Illegal immigrants have been crossing that border in groves long before President Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, and Carter where Presidents. President Bush was hardly a Texas Governor when NAFTA was passed and signed by President Clinton. President is not anymore responsible for overseas jobs then is any other President in the past 25 years. You gotta quit drinking to much of that cool-aid when it comes to President Bush.

By the way employment still remains at an all time low in America . You are obviously towing the liberal democratic line. Corporate America gives us jobs my friend and corporate America still pays the lion share of taxes every year.

Outside of that ,what has this got to do with supporting the only democracy in the Middle East? The Democrats got elected unfortunately because the American people lost patience with the Iraq war.

One cannot forget that the same guy who denies the holocaust happened also believes in the coming of the Mahdi in the springtime. In the springtime the Psychotic will seek to renew himself via the fragrant smells of gun powder, and the warmth of nuclear bombs. It's as if the government of Iran were being run from a mental hospital with the Ayatollah Nurse Ratchet giving medications at window of the day room. The whole picture with the Psychotic and Iran is surreal in its "atmospherics".

This issue will be won or lost by an effective appeal to world opinion, to a PR campaign that addresses the bizarre nature of this government and the Psychotic-In-Iran. The clever use of "big lies" by the psychotic and Co. must be countered with a realistic and truthful campaign of information that educates world opinion about the bizarre nature of this maniac in Iran and the very real danger he poses to the world.

This Psychotic in Iran is bizarre, probably more dangerous than Hitler because the Psychotic is entirely delusional. He is crazy and the Psychotic dreams of destroying Israel along with a mass martyrdom in the Mideast. He's very dangerous. The world is not a very safe place when a crack-pot like this can be a head of state. It's not a hopeful sign for the future of the human species.

Robert,

Thank you for posting this translation from Bibi's blog. I would have missed it on JPOST as it was not in their opinion section.

Also thanks to JW commenter denisw who linked to a Moshe Sharon piece with which I was not familar.

Sharon, a professor at Hebrew University, seems to have the Jihadis' number. I hope JW will post more from Sharon.

Thanks for gving us a daily seminar in Jihad awareness in 2006 Robert. I pray that your efforts will begin to bear fruit in 2007.

Goobs:

I meant unemployment still remains at an all time low in America.

Regards
Mackie

Ooops,

Thanks also to Caroline for linking to the Moshe Sharon interview.

MarcH - quite inadvertently it's raining sense on this JW thread today and while I'm glad to see that Tristan's post has thankfully been deleted, I hope he'll read that interview and take just a moment to contemplate what an ignorant d*ckwad and "useful idiot" he really is.

Netanyahu is like a modern day Churchill to Israel. He is underappreciated despite his radical honesty and realism. I find him to be very compelling. His eloquence is also profound.

As we keep on hearing of all the pandering to the islamists in every quarter by Mr. Ohlmert, I have to wonder just how far it will go. Yes, by these panderings the Israelis are indeed a soft mushy and rotten onclave as poetcommic1 posts above. (This describes us quite accurately in the USA also BTW).

I share the view that the compromises will continue till Israel is so weakened that it will be left no resort but to cry out to God--but Scripturally--you must realize that cry will come AFTER a nuclear exchange and that terrible aftermath, when the antichrist will seem to bring order and "peace" to them--not before.

Yet, there may be a season of time where the Israelis can "buy some time" by rehiring Mr. Netanyahu to lead them. Question--What did it take to get Sharon in charge? Answer--Enough Israeli frustration with islamic terror. So, sadly, it will likely take many more katusha rockets and suicide bombers before Bibi gets called on again.

Israel like all democracies follow the rule of law, and perhaps soon, this government can be voted out and someone like Netanyahu will come to the rescue when the Israel people realize what a fool Olmert really is.

Mackie
You are 100% correct on the illegal immigrant issue. The only reason Bush is such a disappointment on this issue is because one should expect a conservative to do something about the problem not ignore it. I wouldn't have voted for Kerry if Bush had promised to send buses to Mexico to pick them up.
By the way...what is this evil, monolithic, "Corporate America" that I keep hearing about. Maybe it's a little like the "trilateral commission." My wife works for a member of corporate america...I need to talk to her about that...her checks seem to cash ok.

BB said

Yet, there may be a season of time where the Israelis can "buy some time" by rehiring Mr. Netanyahu to lead them.

I don't think that Israel can solve the problem of jihad by itself. The IDF, while strong, cannot defeat every Arab and/or Islamic nation by themselves. (Of course they have defeated all their neighbor's armies in the past, but it wasn't a crushing defeat that would make the Muslim armies unable to ever attack again. They saved Israel from being destroyed, but did not destroy their enemies).

Not to excuse Olmert for the Lebanese war, but there is no way he or any other Israeli leader, no matter how tough, can solve the jihad by themselves. This will end up being a US/UK/Australia/Israel/India(?) vs. Iran/Pakistan/Iraq/Lebanon/Syria/Turkey/etc. issue; the interesting part will be to see where Russia, China, France, Spain, and Germany end up. And whether the "Allies" will take it to the real center of the jihad, Saudi Arabia.

I'm not advocating this, by the way. I just think it's where things are headed.

Caroline
No synchronicity. I must have seen your post and reposted the link to Moshe Sharon's astute assessment of the Islamic cult

Here are some links re the Jihad in Thailand

If anybody still believes that the bomb-blasts on New-Years eve in BKK were not carried out by the 'RoP'

the old 'War is Deception' claim by Mohammed himself is right on the money:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/01/02/jihad-against-tailand-part-2/

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/01/02/the-jihad-against-thailand/

From Debka, Iranian Revolutionary Guard involvement in Gaza--

DEBKAfile Exclusive: Iranian officers take command of Palestinian Gaza missile front. But Olmert ties IDF to pinpoint fire on missile crews after two Sderot schoolboys seriously hurt

The cabinet decision Wednesday ordered the IDF to stick to attacking missile crews and refrain from breaching the month-long “ceasefire,” in the course of which the Palestinians fired 70 missiles from Gaza at Israeli civilian locations. An Israeli appeal went out to the (non-functioning) Palestinian Authority to halt the six-year old barrage.

Translation by DEBKAfile’s military experts: Sderot and its neighbors will continue to live under daily missile harassment. Until the latest attack, the army was constrained on the prime minister’s order – and against its will - to hold its fire against the daily assaults, although they could clearly see the assailants in Gaza. Surgeons operated through Tuesday night to save the life of Adir Basad, aged 14, who was critically injured in all parts of his body by a falling missile outside his home in Sderot, the 8th fired in one day. His friend, Matan Cohen’s foot was smashed. Eight civilians suffered shock.

Our military sources report that the IDF does not accept the Iran-sponsored Jihad Islami’s claim to have shot the missile which wounded the schoolboys because since Monday, Dec. 25, two changes were detected in the Palestinian offensive: A new type of homemade missile called Al Buraq 2 (after the Western Wall Jewish shrine in Jerusalem), and a new unit, calling itself the Mujahiddin Brigades, identified by military experts as the first Palestinian terrorist unit set up by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards’ al Quds Brigades.

This group’s first action was to fire the new missiles at Kibbutz Nahal Oz Monday. They were diagnosed at first as mortars, but the fragments did not match any ordnance seen before. It was then discovered that the Mujahiddin Brigades units - consisting of Hamas, Jihad Islami, Fatah-al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Popular Resistance Committees operatives - are commanded by an Iranian Revolutionary Guards officer.

Such direct Iranian command of front-line Palestinian missile units is another innovation; it did not occur even on the Hizballah side of the of July-August Lebanon war.

Monday, too, the Americans disclosed the capture in Baghdad of Iranian officers, members of the same RG al Quds Brigades, on another front line: against Iraqi and coalition forces. It looks as though the Islamic Republic has gone into action in Iraq and Gaza in reprisal for the tepid sanctions the UN Security Council imposed Saturday, Dec. 23, for its continuing pursuit of uranium enrichment.

I believe BiBi is right about there still being enough time. I also think BiBi has the "beebees" to do it!! Having followed him for some time now, his statement is very consistant with what he has said all along. The liberal MSM in Israel formulated his demise as Israel's leader many years ago.

As a "Zionist Christian", you can imagine my angst at the utterly horrid performance of our State dept. and the Olmert government during last summers "engagement" with Hezbulla. Also it didnt seem to far fetched to reasonably assume that there was a connection between Arial Sharon's "seed sown" of his giving up Israel's covenant land in Gaza and his possible "harvest reaped" in the tragic event of his stroke. I know personaly that he was, as he said, "a man of the Book", and referenced the Scriptures that pertained to God's covenant land grant to nation Israel. I'm not saying this is a fact, but I think I can make a case for the "possibility" of such an event. Many Christian leaders that I respect were torn as to what he was doing and why. Some said our government had put much pressure on him and others said he could be being very clever to have done that so the world would finally see that giving land as an appeasment would never work. BiBi, of course, was very much against that happening and at that time said it would be a disaster.

When the conflict started this last summer, I thought that a few days would be enough. When days stretched into weeks and with the historical perspective of God's "Providential" intervention in Israel's other wars, I began to speculate that these events had to happen in light of end time prophecy time lines.

A good link is Bill Koenig's www.watch.org and then click on "100 million American Christians have no knowledge of end time events". Also a very interesting read is Billye Brims book "Why President Bush lost the election" which was written about George the First but also perfectly fits G-2nd.

If Israel and the United States don't take out Irans nuclear sites for their own protection, then they should do it for the protection of the Iranian population.
The Israeli government has already said that any nation that attacks Israel with nuclear weapons, will get ten times back what they send over. It doesn't take a great mind to figuer out that that translates into millions upon millions of incinerated Iranian citizens.
It is about time that both the Israel and American governments announce publicly, and before the United Nations, that if a nuclear device is detonated in in America, Israel or Europe, it will be assumed that Iran had something to do with it, and Iran will be reduced to ashes. It should be made clear that no committes or commissions will be appointed to study the catastrophe for the purpose of figuring out who's to blame, that we will act entirely upon our assumptions and will obliterate the Iranian nation and its population.
Any European nation that condemns our announcement should be notified that they no longer enjoy our protection in the event that they are the victims of a nuclear attack.
Every Iranian citizen should be made aware, by every means possible, of our intentions. Perhaps they won't cheer so wildly for their screwball supreme leader and President when they realize what these nut cases plan to bring down on their heads. They might even consider getting rid of them.

Is sheik yer mami touring for traffic? Come on mate if you have something to say keep it ON TOPIC and post links that dont go back to your site but show the original references.

So much support for Israel - So blind to her true nature....

Israel's Sacred Terrorism - excerpted from the book - The Real Terror Network - by Edward S. Herman - South End Press

Among the recipients of U.S. military and economic aid and diplomatic support, Israel occupies a unique place. Israel is generally portrayed by the U.S. mass media as the victim of terrorism, a characterization that is in part correct. Its own role as a major perpetrator of state terrorism is consistently downplayed or ignored, in accordance with the general principle, discussed earlier, that violence employed by ourselves or by our friends is excluded from the category of terrorism, by definition. The record of Israeli terrorism, however, is substantial, far too extensive even to attempt to sample here. A small glimpse into the reality was given by Prime Minister Menahem Begin in a letter published in the Israeli press in August 1981, written in response to what he regarded as hypocritical criticism of the Israeli bombing of Beirut, which killed hundreds of civilians Begin offered a "partial list" of military attacks on Arab civilians under the Labor governments, which included over 30 separate episodes that left many civilians dead. He concluded that "under the Alignment government, there were regular retaliatory actions against civilian Arab populations; the air force operated against them; the damage was directed against such structures as the canal, bridges and transport." "The picture that emerges," former UN Ambassador and Foreign Minister Abba Eban wrote in response, "is of an Israel wantonly inflicting every possible measure of death and anguish on civilian populations in a mood reminiscent of regimes which neither Mr. Begin nor I would dare to mention by name." Eban is harshly critical of Begin's letter because of the support it gives to Arab propaganda; he does not contest the facts. He even defends the earlier Israeli attacks on civilians with the exact logic which orthodox analysts of terrorism attribute to-and use to condemn-retail terrorists namely, that deliberate attacks may properly be made on innocent parties in order to achieve higher ends. Eban writes that "there was a rational prospect, ultimately fulfilled, that afflicted populations [i.e., innocent civilians deliberately bombed] would exert pressure for the cessation of hostilities."

Begin's list is indeed "partial." It is supplemented by former Chief of Staff Mordechai Gur, who stated that "For 30 years, from the War of Independence until today, we have been fighting against a population that lives in villages and cities," offering as examples the bombardments that cleared the Jordan Valley of all inhabitants and that drove a million and a half civilians from the Suez Canal area in 1970, among others. The Israeli military analyst Zeev Schiff summarized General Gur's comments as follows: "In South Lebanon we struck the civilian population consciously, because they deserved it...the importance of Gur's remarks is the admission that the Israeli Army has always struck civilian populations, purposely and consciously...the Army, he said, has never distinguished civilian [from military] targets... [but] purposely attacked civilian targets even when Israeli settlements had not been struck."

There are other examples that might be cited, among them, the terrorist attacks against civilian targets (including U.S. installations) in Cairo and Alexandria in 1954 carried out in an effort to poison relations between the United States and Egypt; the murderous attacks on the villages of Qibya, Kafr Kassem, and others; the shooting down of a Libyan airliner in 1973 with 110 killed as it was attempting to return to Cairo after having overflown the Sinai in a sandstorm; and many others. Lebanon has been a regular target of Israeli terrorism, including direct invasion and systematic bombardment of cities, villages and rural areas that has caused hundreds of thousands of refugees and many thousands of casualties. Still another dimension of state terrorism is the brutal treatment of the civilian population in the occupied territories, and the murder of Palestinians in the interchange of terror that has been proceeding in Europe for many years. Terrorism in the pre-state period was also extensive, another story that is largely unknown in the United States, where commentators like to pretend that terrorism is an invention of the Palestinians.

The Diary of former Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharett is a major source of evidence for a conscious policy of deliberate, unprovoked cross-border attacks, in which advantage was taken of superior military power and a servile western propaganda machine, with the intent of destabilizing neighboring states and provoking them into military responses. Sharett was a footdragger in these enterprises, often shaken by the ruthlessness of the military establishment-"the long chain of false incidents and hostilities we have invented, and so many clashes we have provoked;" the "narrow-mindedness and short-sightedness of our military leaders" [who] "seem to presume that the State of Israel may-or even must-behave in the realm of international relations according to the laws of the jungle." Sharett himself referred to this long effort as a "sacred terrorism."

Where Israeli state terrorism is acknowledged in the United States, it is almost invariably described as "retaliatory," hence not criminal even if regrettable. To cite only one example, consider the laudatory article by Amos Perlmutter on General Ariel Sharon in the New York Times Magazine. Commenting on Sharon's exploits as the commander of Unit 101 in the early 1950s, Perlmutter writes that "Every time terrorists were captured in Israel, they would be interrogated to determined where they had come from. Then an Israeli force would return to the terrorists' villages and retaliate against them, an eye for an eye- or, more often, two eyes for an eye." Perlmutter is a knowledgeable military historian, who certainly knows that this is an outrageous falsehood. The "retaliatory actions" of Unit 101 were characteristically directed against completely innocent civilians in villages that had no known relation to terrorist acts, for example, Qibya, where 66 civilians were massacred in October 1953 in the first major operation of Sharon's Unit 101. There was no known connection between the villagers of Qibya and any terrorist actions against Israel. Israel angrily denied charges that its military forces were responsible for this massacre, pretending that the "retaliation act" was carried out by "border settlers in Israel, mostly refugees, people from Arab countries and survivors from the Nazi concentration camps..." Commenting on this fabrication in his diary, Prime Minister Moshe Sharett observed that "Such a version will make us appear ridiculous; any child would say that this was a military operation," as was tacitly conceded much later. He writes that in the cabinet meeting following the massacre, "I condemned the Qibya affair that exposed us in front of the whole world as a gang of bloodsuckers, capable of mass massacres regardless, it seems, of whether their actions may lead to war. I warned that this stain will stick to us and will not be washed away for many years to come." Sharett was wrong in thinking that "this stain will stick to us." The typical response is falsification of the sort practiced by Perlmutter in the New York Times. A critical commentary on Perlmutter's whitewash of the bloodthirsty General Sharon in The Nation fails to mention this remarkable suppression and distortion of the historical record. This single example is, unfortunately, quite typical of a long and ugly story of atrocities and cover-ups.

I wonder how long FNightingale's post will remain up.

Father God says-- I will BLESS those that BLESS Israel and CURSE those that CURSE Israel!!

Assalamau Alaikum all,

I hope you folks had a festive time celebrating the birth of Isa. Ofcourse his death prompted the start of the new year...with the Kaffur hoping his fortunes will change.

So what will 2007 bring to you...what are the guarantees?...well taxes, bills and ofcourse your favourite chesnut "Islam"...and so it starts with Iran.

But here I think you folks are over-reacting . You all know that Islam is but a paper-tiger...heck I read you say this on the somalia issue.

How easy it was for the somalia government troops to get rid of Islamic courts and it'd backers in Somalia (despite the fact that they brought some stability to the country).

Now I know that you will say that Iran is a different proposition....and yes they are bigger and better armed...but what right minded persons would deny the holocaust...or want to wipe another country off the map...Islamists right...but they are paper tigers ...right.

While they may come at you with lots of bark...where is the bite?

As soon as Isreal comes at them with gusto...they will back down, because of support from the dreaded Amerike. So while you are there ...all bodes well for Isreal despite it's weak leadership.

Ofcourse in the future.....when there is immense pressure on the Amerike ...things maybe different. More wuslims in congress, new laws passed on interefering in ohter countries, weaker economy, less influence in world affairs, a nucleur powered ME...and when the Amerike kinda looks away from Israel....then maybe ...then maybe Israel will look to get help from elsewhere.

It will be a case of Yawhea and not Yee-haa

Iran will be stopped one or the other way

Assalamau Alaikum Arnie,

Your comment is intruiging.

At the moment Iran has done little other than apply political pressure of a wierd kind...i.e. want to rewrite some history.

A few words like "Israel should be moved to Europe or the USA" ...and the world is jittery....why?

As for nucleur weapons....while I agree that I don't want to see mad mullahs have them, why should the Amerike have a god given right to have them and not Iran?

Are the Amerike on a powertrip or something?

IMHO no one should have these weapons of mass terror...not Iran, not Pak and not the Kaffur either...

but as the Kaffur do have them...it is only natural that moderate moderate Islamic countries would like to have them too.

What do you think?

"Try to be more vague when predicting the future. otherwise your prophecy sounds like some kind of Rube Goldberg machine of totally improbable connections."

Lol

"Believe it of die horribly!"

Posted by: zonie kafir

Double Lol

Someone's having fun.
Who knows who it could be...possibly the Spanish Inquisition.
No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition dressed as a zonie kafir.

Posted by: Naseem at January 2, 2007 07:08 AM

You're funny today. Hangover?

What about Iran's sponsering 80% of international terrorism.

Happy New Guessings 2007 to you.
http://civoc.com/society/?p=78

it is interesting that Naseems and sidekick FNightingale both appear on the same thread? l think they have their burqa's on backwards as their views are backwards. look Nasseems, one muslim convert in the Congress does not change much, just a reminder to the people who voted him at how stupid they were to vote him. btw he got in a safe Democat seat, no sweat off his beard. and to msFNightingale
you are so one sided, why dont you move your ass to a sharia country, and see how far you get. get your facts straight so you don appear so foolish.

"While Iran's leaders are busy denying the Holocaust...".

They "deny" the "official" version of events AKA "The Holocaust(tm)".
Specifically the propaganda that the Germans(nationalists) "exterminated 6 million Jews"(internationalists), or even tried to. "The Holocaust(tm)" was the main justification for the creation of "Israel", if "The Holocaust(tm)" is a farce(which it is), past and present opinions, events and policies need to be re-evaluated and realigned in accordance with the actual facts of recent history.
What is sold as "self-evident" or "common knowledge" upon further objective investigation reveals the Orwellian-Farenheit451 world we live in. Of course most self-identified "Jews" are just as ignorant as the rest of you, they believe..., they've been programmed to base their identity(along with the rest of us too!) in large part on the myth, that way they/we go along with the program "naturally".
http://www.codoh.com/index2.shtml

I've said this before, I will now say it again: If Israel wishes to survive, it must strike Iran now - hard. It must declare war, hit their missle sites, troop concentrations, communications, roads, railways, bridges, nuclear facilities, seaports, and general population centers with everything they've got. As to the last, it must be remembered that the civilian population is the enemy too. The cities are centers of whatever war-related industries Iran may have as well as a hostile muslim population in need of a real attitude adjustment. In short, Iran must be completely laid waste. Anything less will simply be interpreted by the muslims of the world as another sign of weakness and an invitation to continue the jihad later. We Americans will back up Israel 100%. But we cannot be expected to fight for them if they won't fight for themselves. They can do the job, They have the men and the weapons. All they need now is the will. Come on, Israel, we all know you can do it. Now go for it!

To Novy Mir:

Because your naughty words appeared here *without the asterisk* loin cloth to protect your victims, you’re a danger to society and I expect that soon your filth will be deleted.

I know this to be true because the moderators here eventually catch a wiff and wipe away the droppings of those who have sh*t-for-brains.

My, My, Mention Israel and things come crawling out of the woodwork.

In this world there is a country and in that country is a city and in that city is a mountain and on that mountain is where Gods seat remains today. HE will soon return to sit once again. The great battle of all the ages has been between Father God and Satans surrogates who hate nation Isreal with a demonic passion that they might not even understand.

Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.

Pismopal and Mackie,

I am anything BUT a Democrat. I am a former Republican who has become disgusted with BOTH parties.

Okay, so corporate America pays all the taxes and they are not influencing our politicians. They are not lobbying. They do not have more power to get things done their way than the average joe. They are not sending jobs overseas.

Tell me something. Do your friends, families and neighbors feel better off now than say 10 years ago? Do they have more job security? Can they afford their health insurance? If so, you are doing a 1000 times better than the folks here in the midwest.

I lived in the UK for 7 years. Moving back to the US, I was shocked by all the signs in spanish everywhere I went. That has happened on Bush's watch. What in the hell is so hard about deporting people who have entered this country illegally? You break the law, you pay the penalty?

If our politicians are not being bought off to ignore illegals (by the Corporations that are hiring illegals) then why haven't they done something? Who would you blame? The politicians, corporate America or the Catholic church....or any of the above? If I break other laws, I have to pay the penalty. Why are illegals allowed to break our laws of immigration and then they are ignored, or given welfare benefits or allowed to send their kids to our schools? It doesn't make sense to me.

If you can look at our politicians (BOTH PARTIES) with a more suspicious eye and consider WHO and WHAT is influencing them (their string pullers) THEN you begin to understand that our government is no longer 'for the people' but is being controlled by those who have the money to get their wishes satisfied. Who owns our media? By that I mean television, radio, newspapers, etc. How many corporations? How has this changed since say the 1960's?

I may sound like an idiot to you, but I don't think it is a solution for folks to stick their heads in the sand and to ignore the obvious.

Our politicians are interested in protectiong the constitutional rights of CORPORATIONS rather than people. Instead of a separation of church and state....our government needs a separation of government and corporations!

P.S. Just watch as our politicians turn their backs on Israel.

If Israel it isn't beneficial (money making for corporate America) then they are expendable.

Watch and see. The Scriptures tell us that ALL the world will turn on Israel. That includes the US.

We may not LIKE it, but our politicians are puppets.

By the way Pismopal....your wife is a 'unit of work' and she'll be expendable if they can 'dumb down' her position and/or hire someone cheaper.

In the meantime, her checks will cash.

Novy Mir, are you a vicar of the CoE? You sound just like one that I met.

guide inside,

We do and will continue to pray for the Peace of Jerusalem which will happen when Jesus returns.

Corporate America gives us jobs my friend and corporate America still pays the lion share of taxes every year.

AND HOW MUCH DO THOSE JOBS PAY? AROUND HERE THE PAY IS PATHETIC BECAUSE ILLEGALS BRING DOWN WAGES AND BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DOING THE WORK OF 2 PEOPLE NOW BUT CANNOT COMPLAIN FOR RISK OF LOSING THEIR JOB. SO MAYBE MORE JOBS, BUT THE QUALITY IS CRAP.

Outside of that ,what has this got to do with supporting the only democracy in the Middle East? The Democrats got elected unfortunately because the American people lost patience with the Iraq war.Posted by: Mackie

THE DEMOCRATS GOT ELECTED BECAUSE FOLKS GOT SICK OF THE REPUBLICANS NOT LISTENING TO THEIR BASE THAT ELECTED THEM. THE IRAQ WAR WAS ALL THAT THE MEDIA REPORTED BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT IT WAS THE REASON FOR VOTER DISSATISFACTION....WHICH IS A LOAD OF RUBBISH.

WHAT THIS HAS TO DO WITH OUR SUPPORTING THE ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS THAT IF ISRAEL CANNOT LINE THE POCKETS OF THE 'POWERS THAT BE', THEN THEY WILL BE EXPENDABLE IN FAVOR OF THE OIL PRODUCING COUNTRIES WITH A MUCH LARGER CHEAP LABOR MARKET...WHICH OF COURSE WILL POTENTIALLY 'SUBSTANTIALLY' LINE THE POCKETS OF THE 'POWERS THAT BE'.

IT'S BLIND ALLEGIANCE TO BELIEVE THAT OUR POLITICIANS ARE WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE WORKING AMERICAN. THEY HAVE BEEN BOUGHT BY LOBBYISTS.

Last comment before leaving to work at my low-paid, mult-responsibility....job of 3 people.

If the 'powers that be' can get control of the ME, its oil and cheap labor, it will no longer need to be 'faithful' to a democracy in the ME...i.e. Israel.

My advice to Israel is to put your trust in GOD alone....not the US, not the EU, and not the UN.

Goobs

Yes, we are all units of work and the importing of cheap labor from Mexico and elsewhere is a danger to all Americans. The trash about illegals doing work that Americans won't do is wearing thin and Bush is not the only one saying that. By the way, the illegal alien problem didn't start on Bush's watch..not even close. It's his blind eye to the problem that floors me and I'll never forgive him for it. Corporate greed is essentially like employee greed. I don't work for satisfaction, I work for money. No money, no work...also no profit,no corporation,no stockholders and no economy.

Pismopal,

I agree wholeheartedly with you comments. I know that the problem didn't start on Bush's watch, but this administration ignored the very folks that elected them regarding illegal immigration, securing our borders, unaffordable health insurance, job insecurity and the sucking sound of our American corporations closing up factories here in favor of cheap labor in other countries.

The reason the Republicans lost the vote is all of the above AND the fact that Americans feel that they had a perfect opportunity to change the direction we were headed but they didn't bother in favor of kissing up to Corporate interests.

I've said it before and I'll continue to say it. We need a new party in Washington that is FOR THE PEOPLE. A patriotic party of nationalist citizens that want to take politics back to the days of Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln.

Our Government needs to stop being unfaithful to the American worker (voter) by sleeping with big business and they need to get back to what our forefathers wanted - a political system that not only represents love of this country, but one that is here for the citizens of this country. We need to kick the globalists out of Washington.

I love America and I am angry as hell that our country is being stolen out from under us. I want our nation to be great again - a nation that stands for rights and liberty and justice for all....not one that can be bought by special interests groups. Not one that can manipulate our politicians and use our military for financial gain.

Two points here.

As regards Naseem and the Amhadiya, they are even more fundamentalist and fanatic than the Sunni and Shi'a, they believe that all non muslims must be eliminated or converted..

As regards Netanyahu's big idea. While I agree with him, it is Israeli resources and planes that should do the job, not America.

Israel reminds me of some little kid, who starts fights and then hides behind his big brother.

Iran cannot (and neither can Korea) reach out and touch the U.S. with their missles or aircraft..and should they be so feckless, their capitals and landscape would be turned into glass.

Ahmadinutjob and the Mullahs (and Sunni Imams) encourage and promote "martyrdom operations", but for the believing classes, the minions, the gullible and gulled (who universally click their heels, salute and go off to slaughter started by their leaders), but they themselves are not suicidal, they themselves have no wish to enter Jennah as a Shahid, that's the job for the true believer, the moron who actually commits suicide for Allah.

No the rulers of Iran do not want to see their blessed holy country turned into a nuclear wasteland.. that would squash the whole idea and justification for their ideology (religion).

One thing I didn't see Tristan, was Israelis dancing in the streets in joyous rapture at the killings of Americans like the Palestinians (so-called) did! And Arafat waving his arms around trying to get them to shut up.
I didn’t see it either, but I heard about it! In addition to seeing Jews celebrating past terror attacks, we have this:

5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy

By Yossi Melman

"Five Israelis who had worked for a moving company based in New Jersey are being held in U.S. prisons for what the Federal Bureau of Investigation has described as "puzzling behavior" following the terror attack on the World Trade Center in New York last Tuesday. The five are expected to be deported sometime soon.
The families of the five, who asked that their names not be released, said that their sons had been questioned by the FBI for hours on end, had been kept in solitary confinement for three days, and had been humiliated, stripped of their clothes and blindfolded.
The mother of one of the young men explained the chain of events as she understands it to Ha'aretz:
She said that the five had worked for the company, which is owned by an Israeli, for between two months and two years. They had been arrested some four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the smoking skyline from the roof of their company's building, she said. It appears that they were spotted by one of the neighbors who called the police and the FBI.
The mother said that the families and friends of the five in Israel had known nothing of the men's whereabouts for a number of days.
"When they finally let my son make a phone call for the first time to a friend in the United States two days ago, he told him that he had been tortured by the FBI in a basement," the mother said. "He was stripped to his underwear; he was blindfolded and questioned for 14 hours. They thought that because he has citizenship of a European country as well as of Israel that he was working for the Mossad [Israel's secret service]."
Seven FBI agents later stormed the apartment of one of the Israelis, searched it and questioned his roommate. The Israeli owner of the company, who has U.S. citizenship, was also questioned. Both men were subsequently released.
The families here complained that the Israeli consulate in New York and the situation room set up by the Foreign Ministry there to locate missing Israelis had done nothing to help their sons. The Foreign Ministry told the families that the FBI had denied holding the five and that the consulate had chosen to believe the FBI, the mother said.
The five were transferred out of the FBI's facility on Saturday morning and are now being held in two prisons in New Jersey by the Immigration and Naturalization Services. They are charged with illegally residing in the United States and working there without permits.
The Foreign Ministry said in response that it had been informed by the consulate in New York that the FBI had arrested the five for "puzzling behavior." They are said to have had been caught videotaping the disaster and shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery." –

Haaretz (09/17/01)

ROFL

Furthermore, I don't blame Netanyahu nor any other Israeli for breathing a sigh of relief at the thought of the world's superpower helping them, in a realistic way, in combating terrorism.
Denial is a powerful tool. For morons. To keep your faith in your idole Bibi alive, you have to deny the truth – that he was happy for the terror attack because the US would now increase their support for the nazionists
The simple truth is that neither Americans nor anyone else knows what's it's like to have men, women, and children blown to bloody bits by homocide bombers quite like the Israelis do. Having to live under threat of terrorist attack from psychopaths day in and day out for decades.
The Palestinian civilians know it, the only difference is they are not the victims of suicide bombers, but bombs for tanks and planes, moron.
And then these guys will call themselves free and complain about how the West is under dhimmitude when they are the only one to give support to people who refoice over these tragedies! They say they are free when they bend over, not to the jihadists, but to the nazionists, and the worst thing is they actually believe it!

Exactly how many times has it happened that "terrorists" warned their targets, in advance. And how do we distinguish the terrorist from the freedom fighters. Well, some say uniform is what separates the terrorist from freedom fighters. But by that definition we would also call the French resistance during WW2 terrorists.

Your opinion would be legitimate if the hotel was exclusively a military base; it was not, since in addition to the soldiers, civilians, including British nurses and even Jews(!) were inside. But anyway, where your point fails, if that the bombing ocurred even though there was a warning, so the responsability is the same. And finally, the French Resistance hardly targeted civilians!

Terror is the same everywhere.

Zonie kafir, I can answer instead of the other person. After reading your words, I cannot hope anything else than a suicide terrorist blows himself up. That way, we will get rid of both kind of trash.

BTW, forget about "Eretz Israel". Israel is a country that contiues to exist only because of the money it suck off the gullible Americans fools. Never will the Americans as a whole, even less the "West" support Israel as you hope it, one of the reasons being that the majority of the "Westerners" don't see why they should help the ziofeces to crush the Palestinian people. People like you is, and always will be, a minority. You want to help the Nazionists? Give them all your money, or just enlist in their army to actually fight those you despise so much instead of sitting your butt before your computer talking a lot, but accomplishing nothing.

Tristan, take a chill pill. You have your opinions, but your perceptions are not perfect.

Oh, zonie Kafir, how nice that you have a personal "bullsh-t meter", and if certain words, ideas or thoughts are detected by it there is an automatic rejection response. I call that the "emotional-trigger-word-syndrome".
And it matters not who-from or where an idea or analysis originates, what matters is whether the information provided is true and makes logical sense. I make my own conclusions based on verifiable facts and evidence.
You don't see that "revisionism" is a neccesity, it is the scientific method of testing the validity of claims and hypothesis-- it is the application of the "test of time" the theory or proposition must be able to stand up to new information and evidence- time is the ultimate proof of probability- but dogma and totalitarianism does not allow for that. That is when truth is destroyed.
Truth is (f)actual reality, denial of reality will most likely lead to unpleasant and unforseen consequences.

Slinks away? Sure dude. Sorry I didn't sit here glued to the screen waiting for your response.

The main point of revisionist historical analysis is that there was no "extermination policy", there were no "extermination facilities", and therefore there was no "extermination" attempted or achieved.
I have provided a link to a website that publishes "revisionist" works, you cannot possibly make an informed decision without making an attempt at objectivity and reading alternative viewpoints.

While your claim that "history is consensus-driven" may in fact be true, it does not correspond that the history produced will be true. Consensus=conformity. Power-induced conformity is totalitarianism.
Bertrand Russell's
‘Ten Precepts for Freedom of Thought’:

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Do not feel absolutely certain of anything.
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Do not think it is worthwhile to proceed by concealing evidence, for the evidence is sure to come to light.
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Never try to discourage thinking, for you are sure to succeed.
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When you meet with opposition, even if it should be from your partner or your children, endeavour to overcome it by argument and not by authority, for a victory dependent upon authority is unreal and illusory.
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Have no respect for the authority of others, for there are always contrary authorities to be found.
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Do not use power to suppress opinions you think pernicious, for if you do the opinions will suppress you.
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Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.
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Find more pleasure in intelligent dissent than in passive agreement, for, if you value intelligence as you should, the former implies a deeper agreement than the latter.
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Be scrupulously truthful, even if the truth is inconvenient, for it is more inconvenient when you try to conceal it.
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Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool’s paradise, for only a fool will think that it is happiness.