"This is bad because this would be a situation where people are bringing the tensions of the Middle East into metro Detroit." Yes -- for once I agree with CAIR. "Damage to businesses and mosques in Detroit raises wider fears," by Cecil Angel for the Detroit Free Press, with thanks to James:
As they repaired the broken windows of at least a dozen businesses and mosques along Warren Avenue in Detroit, many Iraqi Shi'ite Muslims wondered Monday if the vandalism was retaliation by local supporters of Saddam Hussein who resented that they celebrated the hanging of the Iraqi dictator.Sometime late Saturday night or early Sunday morning, someone vandalized at least nine businesses and three mosques, all but one Shi'ite, according to Ali Zwen, manager of the Kufa Cultural Forum, a mosque at Warren and Archdale that sustained $4,000 in damage.
Detroit police have not made an arrest for the vandalism that occurred between Greenfield and a few blocks west of the Southfield Freeway. Most of the area's businesses with Arabic script on their signs were undamaged.
Many of the spared businesses are owned by Iraqi-American Christians, Lebanese Americans and others with Middle Eastern roots. The evidence is largely circumstantial that Shi'ites were targeted, but some of the victims say it is too coincidental.
At the Alrafedain Shish Kabob restaurant, employee Summer Ahmed, 24, said she answered two phone calls Saturday -- one at 9:55 p.m. and the other at 10:09 p.m. -- from a man speaking both Arabic and English as he used foul language in threatening to harm the business.
Later, the restaurant was damaged.
Ahmed said, "Most of the stores that were vandalized ... they're happy for the execution of Saddam, so they're thinking it's somebody who was pro-Saddam," she said. "They picked which stores that are known for being anti-Saddam."
She fears more trouble will follow.
"You're worried if there aren't going to be copycats who are going to do the same thing," Ahmed said.
If the motivation for vandalism proves to be what she suspects, it could mark a turning point in metro Detroit's Middle Eastern community.
"This is bad because this would be a situation where people are bringing the tensions of the Middle East into metro Detroit," said Dawud Walid, executive director of the Michigan office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
This IS bad.
But it will be even worse for CAIR, because people will be starting to see First Hand, what is wrong with 'moderate' islam (aside from the defeaning silence towards terrorism).
I predict a French-style news blackout on such stories.
"'This is bad because this would be a situation where people are bringing the tensions of the Middle East into metro Detroit.' Yes -- for once I agree with CAIR."
-- from Robert's comment on CAIR above
Robert -- which part of it do you agree with? Of course you agree -- it is merely a statement of fact and one cannot disagree -- with the second part, the observation that Sunni-Shi'a tensions in Detroit "would be a situation where people are bringing the tensions of the MIddle East into metro Detroit." Or do you agree, with CAIR, as you appear to, that "this is bad"?
I think it's fine. I think it's great.
This type of situation will only be bad for Muslims and for their non-muslim victims. This type of thing is good for the rest of the people living in the United States. It will help clarify things for those in the U.S. who don't follow Muslim violence around the world.
Hugh:
I don't want this in Detroit, or anywhere in the West.
Yrs
Robert
Maybe Hugh has a point; if this kind of violence becomes more pronounce everywhere in the West, it may force Western governments to do the unthinkable -- curtail immagration of muslims from the Middle East!
Right now, they cannot bear such a thought!
A little "civil war" now and again from the people they crave so desperately desire to import Middle Eastern countries -- will help clear their minds!
This is just par for the course in and around Detroit. They should be used to the problems and tensions of the middle east being there.
This blog I read covers the happenings in thos parts fairly extensively.
http://www.dearbornunderground.blogspot.com/
Oh and I would have thought it was "an angry middle-aged white male". Just like it was in the Beltway Sniper shootings.
My bad for assuming things I guess.
Robert,
Under normal circumstances, no sane person would ever want this, for it poses a danger to innocent people. That being said, Hugh does have a point. Maybe the "not in my back yard" mentality will speed things up nicely here in the US.
Hugh,
I must admit that 2007 has started off swimmingly. Use of the word "jihad" seen in papers and on TV every day. US involvement in Somalia. Ellison, Boxer, etc...it is all so encouraging.
Put a wall around it.
Put up some guard towers.
It could well be the new site of a new Andersonville style prison (circa U.S. Civil War) seeing as they already have no-go zones for U.S. citizens.
How many folks on Jidadwatch can now say to the guvment 'authorities': TOLD YA SO!!
Are they going to curtail moslem immigration after this? Hardly, I am afraid!
Peaceful Muslims dealing with Peaceful Muslims......Ahhhhh, Islam, The Religion of Peace.
I don't like seeing this type of violence either! (Wink Wink)
Fox News just reported on multiple rapes of little girls in Minnapolis. Looks like the NO_GO zones in our own country are starting to get the attention of the MSM.
I followed someones link to the Detroit Underground and something about CAIR in FL caught my eye. They have really stepped in the brown stuff my dog leaves in the yard.
They got a web hosting site to shut down a blogger because he advocated post natal birth control for moonie kids before they could strap on the vest full of explosives.
While I agree that he was over the line, I am impressed with how riled up CAIR has gotten A LOT of bloggers.
This should have interesting results.
auntbea, got a link to the story about the girls?
A few thoughts on this (grain of salt not included): There are potential costs and benefits to the Infidel cause from this incident, but I tend to expect the negative outcomes will be more likely to happen first.
Pro:
- The eruption of Sunni-Shi'ite violence in Detroit is quite an embarrassment to those who trumpet the inclination toward pluralism and peaceful coexistence that they insist is inherent in Islam, and, in a related vein, those who think a different/better Islam can or should be allowed to take hold in America.
- It demostrates that where Muslims exist in sufficient numbers and a difference of opinion arises, violence follows, and, again, nothing magically happens to return Islam to its supposedly pluralistic roots when physically removed from conflicts elsewhere.
- It is a small-scale version of what we face in Iraq, and could be used to highlight the futility of wasting money and lives in an attempt to bring democracy to that region: Self-government of a country begins with governing one's self, not excusing or encouraging acting out in anger, seeking vengeance, and taking "the law" into one's own hands based on religiously charged indignation. Indeed, it shows a total disrespect for the rule of non-Sharia law, and the immaturity ("but he made me do it!") that accompanies it.
Con:
- All of the above depends largely on proper dissemination and analysis. We can trust ourselves, but not the mainstream media to undertake this. They can be counted on to feed us the line that the US involvement in Iraq, or British involvement prior to that, started the Sunni-Shi'ite acrimony, or the Saddam execution did, etc.
- This incident marks a line being crossed, in two ways:
First, it marks the sort of chaos we see in the Paris suburbs, the UK, Norway, and Sweden coming here, and for the same reasons: Sufficient numbers of a population unwilling/unable to integrate and accept the rule of secular law. What remains to be seen is how authorities will react. If it gets crushed with an iron fist, it will be a red letter day. But will it?
Secondly, it is, generally speaking, religious violence perpetrated by Muslims against people they regard as unbelievers-- not the massive attacks that we already live with, but potentially a step toward sustained, small-scale incidents that can more easily happen anywhere at any time. Now that this step has been taken, we could find ourselves in uncharted territory.
If this secterian violence in detroit is correct,its a concern indeed.But whats to be done.Who are the perpatraters,were is there incouragment from.Upon these findings then what.This whole mess in Islam is so perplexing.But the basics are clear to the fair minded.I trust the police are investagating and proced acordingly.But Islam is in a sorry state of affairs.And the sooner its brought into some moderation if possiable the better all may be.But this challenge given the history may be a near impossabltie.
If CAIR believes it's bad, then it's good--for us (non-Islamics).
The first question is how to blame this on the West. If it can't be blamed on the West, its random and has no meaning.
No, I think they have been crystal clear on where they stand.
http://www.historyofjihad.com/
So..
Sunni/Shi'ites killing each other in Iraq = "Good"
Sunni/Shi'ites killing each other in USA = "Bad"
Sounds strangely similar to the Islamic idea that anything that furthers Islam is good and anything that doesn't further Islam is bad.
To me, this would be the natural consequence of any policies that allowed encouragement of sectarian violence. So by encouraging/allowing sectarian violence in the ME, it must inevitably spill over into conflict in the west.
To me, people killing each other is always "Bad". And to me, "we reap what we sow"
This is a rare time in disagreeing this is "bad", because there are too many positives which will come from it:
Once Muslims start acting in public the way they are then it will make Congress and the White House stop importing all these Islamic immigrants.
Looking at the immigrant question will make Congress and the White House not give American status to illegals from Mexico, Latin America, Russia and the world.
All these mosques will then start getting the attention they deserve and the problems being created by short sighted politicians who are selling the American soul for oil dollars or cheap labor dollars will stop.
The small fire of New Falujah Detroit is a good thing compared to the inferno building across America from Texas to Minneapolis which is about to erupt.
Americans being alarmed will be a good thing to finally get this mess cleaned up...as would it not be a good thing that Muslims must conduct all services in English so the public would hear what is going on?
Small laws making Muslims Americanize will solve the problems the ACLU, liberals and CAIR are fomenting in any groups of people from Blacks to Muslims where these fronts profit off of inter racial or faith predation.
Well, this is one thing that can't be blamed on Muhammad, wretch that he was, or that piece of crap the Koran. Don't Muslims in the United States have the good sense and decency to leave their sectarian insanities behind them? Even Christians, a faith as addicted as any to persecuting each other on doctrinal hairsplittings, figured out early on that the United States was not the place for that type of entertainment.
"- It is a small-scale version of what we face in Iraq"
.....but it could flare up into an ugly mess .......
"it may force Western governments to do the unthinkable -- curtail immagration of muslims from the Middle East!"
......An immigration ban is entirely thinkable... I think about it all the time......
exsgtbrown,
I have dreams of our country, you know, back in the day when you could go about your life w/o losing it prematurely. I long for the days where I only was concerned with those extremist evangelicals.
I think it's great. It exposes Islam for what it is and has been and will be. It will make America, even a few liberals maybe, to ask "Why on Earth do we want this crap to immigrate to America?"
Once upon a time, you could travel through the cities in America with little to be concerned about. Now we see "states within states" where you had better not go. These mini "states within states" need to be cleaned up right now. Failure to do so will only create battlefields within our borders. It is happening as we speak. .... Don't think so.... Just go to Dearborn with an American flag on your car. Just go to Minneapolis and pray in front of a mosque, Just go to any Muslim community and make jest of Islam.... just be sure to have your life insurance paid up.....
Patriot
So sorry. It was one of those fast headline reading things on FOX as I was walking back from the kitchen.
I searched their website and found nothing. Perhaps it will be on later.
I don't know how to post a link on here?
“just be sure to have your life insurance paid up..... exsgtbrown
Or a long sharp knife along with the mandatory eyes in the back of the head.
Of course it is good news, as are 'honor killings', genital mutilation, etc. Whenever Islam is manifesting itself out in the open for all to see it is good.
I wish the FBI would engage in active provocations to stir the pot a little in that charming community.
I love it. Go. Kill each other. Please.
How soon before CAIR rethinks their original statement of regret and morphs the incident into another example of 'Islamophobia?' I bet the people in the CAIR Washington DC office are working on that angle right now.
Go to the link, copy and paste the URL into your post and that’s all it takes.
"I don't know how to post a link on here?
Posted by: auntbea"
HTML Links
Also click on view source and search down to this point. You will see how to link.
However, being on the same page as CAIR should make one pause. Since when was CAIR really concerned about violence? Had the above riots been between Muslims and non-Muslim Mid-East immigrants, any doubts about which side CAIR would be on? They'd be screaming Islamophobia, regardless of the party at fault. In this case, since it's an intra-Muslim skirmish, they have no one to blame outside the ummah. Hence, the platitude about the violence being bad - something that they are by no means opposed to when it's Muslims against Infidels.
An excellent reason to pull our troops home. We can't fight them over there if we need to fight them over here ;->
And here's the good part. Since this is an intra-Islamic squabble, CAIR is (hopefully) forced to divert resources from harassing normal American people and institutions, like Walmart, and towards putting their own constituency in order. Since they claim to cover all Muslims, not just Sunnis, but also groups that would be considered heretics in most Muslim countries, like Shia, NOI, et al, they can't simply let this run on. So when you share CAIR's POV that this infighting is bad, you are unwittingly desiring a situation that would leave CAIR free to go about its usual business harassing people, and attempting to Islamize the country.
But as Marisol points out above, this should have a salutary effect on not just the Detroit authorities, but both State and Federal policy makers. Right now, the White House seems to be planning a troop 'surge' to quell this violence. If that's how sectarian violence in Iraq is going to be dealt with, can someone from the Dems suggest that we do a troop surge in Detroit?
An excellent reason to pull our troops home. After all, we can't be expected to fight them there, if we need to fight them here. Otherwise who'll take care of sectarian violence in Detroit?
However, being on the same page as CAIR should make one pause. Since when was CAIR really concerned about violence? Had the above riots been between Muslims and non-Muslim Mid-East immigrants, any doubts about which side CAIR would be on? They'd be screaming Islamophobia, regardless of the party at fault. In this case, since it's an intra-Muslim skirmish, they have no one to blame outside the ummah. Hence, the platitude about the violence being bad - something that they are by no means opposed to when it's Muslims against Infidels.
And here's the good part. Since this is an intra-Islamic squabble, CAIR is (hopefully) forced to divert resources from harassing normal American people and institutions, like Walmart, and towards putting their own constituency in order. Since they claim to cover all Muslims, not just Sunnis, but also groups that would be considered heretics in most Muslim countries, like Shia, NOI, et al, they can't simply let this run on. So when you share CAIR's POV that this infighting is bad, you are unwittingly desiring a situation that would leave CAIR free to go about its usual business harassing people, and attempting to Islamize the country.
But as Marisol points out above, this should have a salutary effect on not just the Detroit authorities, but both State and Federal policy makers. Right now, the White House seems to be planning a troop 'surge' to quell this violence. If that's how sectarian violence in Iraq is going to be dealt with, can someone from the Dems suggest that we do a troop surge in Detroit?
An excellent reason to pull our troops home. After all, we can't be expected to fight them there, if we need to fight them here. Otherwise who'll take care of sectarian violence in Detroit? ;->
Dhimmi Watch April 08, 2004
Survey: 81% of Detroit Muslims want Sharia in Muslim Countries
The more Detroit changes, the more its like Iraq.
Bush and Blair set up an Islamic Republic in Iraq based on Sharia law. BB say that most Muslims support their views on Islam.
"We've never witnessed a retaliation" amid the Detroit Middle East community, said Imad Hamad, director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee's regional office. Of the vandalism, he said: "I want to believe it's isolated and it's an act of ignorance."
If a Christian did it, its an act of ignorance. If a Muslim did it, then God commanded it. Good we had that clarification.
For the first part of your statement, I dunno about others, but I'll plead guilty. Rephrased another way, anything that reduces Islam or the size of the ummah is good, and anything that not just expands, but also delays or hinders the erosion of the ummah is bad. If you think otherwise, do explain.
As to your second point, you are right that if sectarian friction between Muslims is encouraged, it will spill over. But that's only because we in the West, nay, the Infidel World, are stupid enough to allow in Muslims. Ban Islamic immigration, and deport all Muslims, and all that violence will be contained within the borders of the ummah.
If you want violence and Islam to be separated, short of forced de-Islamization, how on earth do you suggest that that be done? How would you persuade Muslims to reject Quranic exhortations such as 2:191, 2:193, 9:5, 9:29, 9:111? Those who do are no longer Muslims - such as Warraq, Sina, Sultan, Shoebat, et al. And if you can't, then given a choice between letting Muslims fight Infidels (the latter most of whom aren't interested) vs letting them fight other Muslims (the latter most of whom are enthusiastic), which would you rather have? Infidels alone getting massacred, or Muslims on both sides killing each other, more or less evenly?
As to your third point, you are right, but the only way to deal with Muslim on Muslim violence is to either wipe them all out - something that even the proprietors of this site frown on - or pick one side, or simply stand back and let them do it. I'm fine with either the first or the third option (not to thrilled about the second one, which is being contemplated in Iraq). What I don't endorse is a pollyanish approach to this problem.
If there is any sunni/shia violence in the moter city, is should send a message to the rest of the USA that what has been going on Europe with the violent riots from Muslim youth could very much come over to here. The good thing from all this would be the needed black it could give to CAIR.
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During a time like this, people are likely to target Iraqi Americans, who should report all threats to police, he said.
"We don't want people to panic and take it beyond what it is," he said.
Walid said the Warrendale neighborhood was the same place an Arab-American man, Shafik Shoaib, was beaten in front of his home in November.
"We're going to call on the federal authorities to investigate this because this is pure hate to attack a house of worship," Walid said. "Our community has been under siege since 9/11."
Whether the vandals are Muslims or non-Muslims, it should not make a difference in how they are dealt with, he said.
"No matter where the road leads, there should be prosecution," he said.
end quote
"At the Alrafedain Shish Kabob restaurant, employee Summer Ahmed, 24, said she answered two phone calls Saturday -- one at 9:55 p.m. and the other at 10:09 p.m. -- from a man speaking both Arabic and English as he used foul language in threatening to harm the business."
Sounds like Koranophobic Islamophobic bigots from Albemarle County, Virginia.
Infidel Pride--
Just to clarify, yes, I can see where the incident could lead to some positive developments for non-Muslims, as I outlined in my "Pro" section above, but I'm not optimistic that it will, chiefly for the first reason in my list of "Con" factors.
And I'm concerned, for the reasons in the rest of the "Con" list, that it sets a bad precedent for the potential conduct of Muslims in America where their numbers are concentrated in the way they are in Dearborn and the greater Detroit area.
Marisol
I agree that Infidels may not be sharp enough to draw what to us are some obvious conclusions.
The last portion of my post, where I suggested that we pull troops out of Iraq and have a surge in Detroit, was more of a tongue in cheek to give us a good reason to pull out of there. I however wasn't suggesting that we egg on rioters out here. If they are immigrants, they should instantly be deported to their country of origin; if they happen to have US citizenship, the authorities should look for ways to strip them of that and deport them anywhere - anywhere being anywhere in dar ul Islam.
Incidentally, outside Dearborn, where in the US are there huge population of Muslims?
"Al Rafedain Shish Kabob restaurant"
- might this be a good place in the Detroit metro area where one could sample some tasty, succulent "Rafidite Dog"-meat kabob?
Wherever you have Sunni's & Shiite's together you have a recipe for disaster, Detroit is no exception.
Muslims sure know how to love their brethren.
More info on Arabic populations in the U.S. can be found here:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-23.pdf
Although the population of Dearborn is approximately 30% Arabic, there is a substantial Arabic Christian population as well.
This sort of tribal fighting has been happening for years within the different immigrant groups living in the Metro Detroit area.
Also, this is NOT a Muslim populace fighting the locals- it is Shi'ite vs. Sunni, not Shi'ite vs. Detroiters or Sunni vs. Detroiters. That's why this is somewhat different that what's happening in Europe.
Detroit News with picture of store
Link from Brenda Walker column at Vdare
I can see how many people of good intentions will try to emphasize the positive action that could result from the Shia-Sunni violence in Detroit. As a Detroiter, I can say that this city is in such sad shape that we are not the best mechanism for sending of a message. People see Detroit as a pit, no closer to home than Beirut (don't mean to insult Beirut).
If this had happened in a city like Chicago, then you would see some action. In Chicago, old-style democrats from the pre-60s mindset still run things. In Detroit, just you wait, this will increase the call for outreach to the Islamic community.
Detroit is a hollow shell of its old self. Michigan has been in its own recession for 5 years now. We are not well equiped to respond to this any more than the non-Islamists in Somalia could have kicked out the Jihadists on their own.
Detroit is a hollow shell of its old self. Michigan has been in its own recession for 5 years now. We are not well equiped to respond to this any more than the non-Islamists in Somalia could have kicked out the Jihadists on their own.
Posted by: JSobieski
And so are the Michigan Wolverines.. Far cry from their 'fighting heroes' ways of the 80s and before then.. They have this Kerry-face Llloyd Carr caching them now when they need a young firebrand in there who can kick some behind. And somehow get a decent QB.
Sorry for the OT.. But it's all endemic of the overall decline and degeneration when it comes to the formerly Great state of Michigan.
So sad... I spent a few years there in my youth and it was wonderful. Great people.. wonderful scenery.. GREAT fishing.. I even made the Ann Arbor Daily News with a huge Largemouth I hooked in a marina somewhere at a National Park. That's the kind of stuff that would make the news back in the day.. The Wolverines dispatching OSU in a lopsided victory.. then losing the Rosebowl 12-13 in the waning seconds of the game on a field goal... and a German kid who hauls in a huge bass.
Well, we did have a few hippies trashing tghe local Kresge's every now and then but that was the worst it got.
Now the word 'jihad' is commonly read daily in every newspaper. It is no longer something known only by the small community of "Dune" afficionadoes.
I'd hate to go to Michigan these days and have to witness what has been done to this fair state.
As long as it is Moslem on Muslem violence the average citizen will not really care. The increased costs incurred by law enforcement is one drawback. If the voilence increases, the demands from CAIR and their follow travelers will become shriller and shriller. As long as non-Muslims are spared, I don't really care too much either. It might wake up some people to the potential for real violence if immigration is not stopped. I don't mean slowed, I mean stopped, and now.
I am waiting for the apologists and libs to blame it on a backlash caused by "islamophobia."
I don't see this as a matter of 'wanting' or 'not wanting' this activity in Detroit, or that it is 'good' or 'bad.' It doesn't matter. Of course we don't want this sort of crap in the US; that's not the point. The issue at hand is is Islam distinct in America? Or, to be fair to Islam, is any faith 'distinct' or different within America??? Since the obvious answer is no faith changes when one crosses into America: no matter by legal or illegal immigration, by stealth or application, by train, car or jet, the faith remains the same, the split within Islam will not go away in Detroit or anywhere else? It may be tempered somewhat in most places due to the dilution, distinct minority status of Islam, and who knows at what percentage Islam "asserts" herself? 1 %, 5 %, 10 % ??? In Detroit, we have a strong Islam with a loud voice. It is here that one would expect the 'crack' to assert itself. The fault is not within Islam, but within our country for allowing Muslim immigration to be on par with non-Muslim immigration.
Hopefully Detroit won't become the Paris of the US, with yoots rioting all over the place. One would hope if things head in that direction the police will do more than be targets for these losers.
EVERYBODY needs to phone the White House NOW and leave a comment for our President George W. Bush and tell him in no uncertain terms the United States ABSOLUTELY MUST STOP ALLOWING Muslims to immigrate into America....PERMANENTLY!!!
The White House COmment Line EVERYBODY IS:
(202) 456-1111. Please, everyone CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is just beyond ridiculous.
Where there are Muslims there is always bloodshed.WHY I wonder???
Because the Kuran teaches FIRST-DEGREE MURDER, that's WHY!!!!!
This Kuranic teaching is unquestioned by Muslims in general and it is enforced by mosques. Please tell Bush this too!!!!!!!!!!
I mean, ISN'T FIRST-DEGREWE MURDER AGAINST THE LAW IN AMERICA THE LAST TIME WE ALL CHECKED???? Of course it is, and that should put an end to Muslims being permitted to come here.
We can then begin cleaning up this whole sordid, unbelievable mess!
The state of Michigan is handwriting on the wall for the rest of our nation. May this horror procede no further!
And deliver us all from Islam!!!!!!!!!
First, it marks the sort of chaos we see in the Paris suburbs, the UK, Norway, and Sweden coming here,
Posted by: MarisolJW
Once upon a time, you could travel through the cities in America with little to be concerned about. Now we see "states within states" where you had better not go.
Posted by: exsgtbrown
"Chaos coming here", "states within states", no-go zones. It seems that a lot of JW posters are under 35, and that their high school American history course didn't get past about 1950. Doesn't anyone remember the 60's: the riots in virtually every large American city year after year, the threats of even more violence -- "it's going to be a long, hot summer", the cries of "burn, baby, burn". These Parisian rioters are just penny ante in comparison. They've burned a bunch of cars, with almost no killing at all. In the 60's U.S., they burned whole blocks of buildings and killed scores. Of course in France they're just getting started, trying it on, as the Brits say. They're only 4-5 % of the French population. Wait until they're 10-12%. Then we'll begin to see some action.
Exsgtbrown, you're a hard one to figure. At first, I thought you too must be a young whippersnapper who wasn't around in the 60's. But if you can remember a time when one could travel thru American cities with little to be concerned about, you must have been a sgt in WWI. Certainly since the 60's there have been no-go zones in virtually every large American city. A friend of mine was a brakeman on the commuter trains in a large city. In the winter, when it was already dark during the evening rush, and the cars had their interior lights on, the train staff would advise passengers to pull down the window shades so that the snipers would have no silhouettes to aim at.
So, riots and no-go zones? In America it's "been there, done that". I only hope we have the sense to put a stop to this islamic nonsense before their numbers increase to the point of being ready to repeat the 60's.
Funny that islam makes Detroit its home here in the states, could it be somthing to do with the auto-makers, and trying to control what cars (how much gas they use) are being built?
With the new congress trying to pass the rights for all to immigrate here without much restriction, I suspect this will get little coverage in the news and media.
"Also, this is NOT a Muslim populace fighting the locals- it is Shi'ite vs. Sunni, not Shi'ite vs. Detroiters or Sunni vs. Detroiters. That's why this is somewhat different that what's happening in Europe.
Posted by: s"
This incident merely marks the presence of an islamic society. Over here we have shias, sunnis, wahabis, sufis, the lot. They routinely fight among themselves as well as attack infidels. This is the classic behaviour of an islamic society. I am not in Europe.
Hello everyone, this is my first post here. i really love the site, and after reading here for a few months I learned so much about Islam that I can easily confront the Muslim students in my class in any debate...
What I'm here to say is that I wonder why you are so surprised about an eruption of such violence in the Muslim community area... I'm from Israel, and here they kill them selves and others all the time.
Let's say, if me (Jewish) date a Muslim girl, she will probably be sentenced to death by her family (sentenced and executed) – for damaging the family honor.
Muslim drivers here are responsible for most of the car accidents, and that's why so many Muslims die in Muslim villages and cities here, much more then the country average.
Proven statistic is that most of the crime here is by Muslims - car theft, robbery and terror support.
A few days ago 5 Muslim brothers (one of them is a children physician) threw their younger sister down a well, and threw stones at her untill she stopped screaming.
In the evenings, Muslims youths are prowling my city, sexually harassing little girls, and picking fights with anyone they can (and I mean hundreds of times. It's endless and becoming more and more dangerous)
That's how things look here.
Unlike you might think i do have some Muslim friends... girls most of them. but no one should ever know... or they're fate will be bleak.
I really appreciate all the help and support we get from the USA, and wouldn't want things to be like this over there.
Wish you all good luck…
"If there is any sunni/shia violence in the moter city, is should send a message to the rest of the USA that what has been going on Europe with the violent riots from Muslim youth could very much come over to here. The good thing from all this would be the needed black it could give to CAIR."
Word editing : Forgot to put the word "eye" in the words, black eye.
I forgot something… usually they say that they are discriminated and that's why they act violently.
That's of course ridicules… I served 3 years in the army (all Jewish people have to) while they started working on they're academic degree.
I have to pay more then they do, and they have minimum quotas so they have much better chances to get into the courses they want.
I wanted a room in the dorms, but was told that only the quotas for Muslims remains, and so I can't have a room.
They choke the social system; because the more kids you have the more money you get every month from the government. Needless to say, the average Jewish family has 2 kids, and the Muslim family has about 6.4 in average.
They all won't pay any tax, because they report that they don't work (and of course they do, but won't report that) so they go and collect unemployment payment. Of course they don't have any income (right…) so they take the "under-minimum-income" payment.
Most of them invade areas and build unauthorized buildings with no supervision, and those many time fall down. Of course they don't have to pay any tax for the land because it's not there. So the municipalities have no money to take care of the city/village and then again they yell… right… discrimination.
They are so discriminated. I could cry. There is so much more I could write…
Sorry, got pissed while writing this…
Don't let it happen over there...
Hebrewman,
Welcome to JW/DW. It is great to get information from an Isreali who can give people who post here what is really going on in Isreal in the Muslim community. Thanks for your posting.
It does not suprise me that what you present is what goes on everyday and that what you share is a full warning to those of us who live in America what will happen as far as the Muslim communities is concern. Sadly the violence is not left behind.
Hebrewman,
Read the other account, the one about not being able to get a dorm room because of the Muslim quotas. Plus the other accounts, it makes me want to shake my head.
What suprises me Hebrewman is that this special treatment of the Muslims is not producing or seeing a growing angry backlash against the Muslims by the Isreali Jews of Isreal having had enough. But from what I have read in the two postings, they both show what could be a deep fog of growing resentment going on in Isreal that could explode in an angry backlash.
Most Police are afraid, they don't like things that go "Bang !" You'll always see them later, asking questions like: "do you have any witnesses ?" After you get all confused in repeating the event 5 times, they'll suggest you get an alarm system, or put up security cameras.
If you follow them afterwards, you'll see them pull up to a Duncan Donut shop, where you can ask them more questions.
Oh, but the shop may be operated by Islamics ?
http:www,freep,com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=207701070454
OT but about Detroit. Trying to post a link.
Interesting about the massacre. I thought this was denied by Muslims.
"In the 60's U.S., they burned whole blocks of buildings and killed scores."
This is true, but they destroyed their own neighborhoods and most of the deaths were their neighbors... The situation was calmed and peace restored..The provocateurs for the most part returned to civilization and became honest tax paying, employed, and voting citizens.
On the other hand Muslims want to destroy every neighborhood and kill all inhabitants. Muslims want to destroy civilization , erase personal freedoms, and turn the people into mindless slaves...
There is a difference.
We graciuosly let these people into our countries (USA, Canada, UK etc.)and this is what we get. The left wing loons widely dismiss the ever expanding threat as the religion of peace, or declare the problems are only caused by a tiny minority of Muslims. I say Islam is not a religion, it is simply an idealogy and we can let in all the seemingly peaceful Muslims but the kicker is they bring the idealogy with them. Such idealogy is stronger than any religion. It is unchangeable. Eventually that idealogy will surface and exhibit itself in all of these countries. Thats the thanks we get. Be prepared for much more.
I would also add, revolts in the 60's simply sped up the process of integration which was simply needed anyway, the process of integration was already transpiring at that time, just more slowly than some wanted. The black vs white barriers have been mostly erased except in the minds of those whom have no hope of peaceful co-existence (see Al -the liar-Sharpton,Jessie-the race whore-Jackson, and Louie -the lip-Farrakhan)
This Muslim problem is one of complete enlavement or extermination of any non-Muslim.
(see Ahminedinejad,Nasrallah,Al-Sadr,Al-Zawarhi et al)
The difference should stand out even to the most simple minded.
Bush and Pelosi are setting aside their personal disagreements to get together and afflict the American people with some kind of massive amnesty and guestworker program. Not only will all those here illegally, including many Muslims be granted residency, but corporations will be able to scour foreign lands in order to import massive numbers of cheap workers. Inevitably this will bring in many more Muslims, who with chain immigration will begin to import their relatives by the village full.
Anyone concerned with halting instead of increasing Muslim immigration should begin now to pester their local Congressperson. Let him know that voting for this atrocity will make this his last term in Congress.
exsgtbrown: "The difference should stand out even to the most simple minded."
How is it we have so many closed minded people who can't see the woods for the trees? I am forever amazed at this.
Thanks for all the cheering up. I'm and eternal optimistic and I'm sure it will all end well. I hope you will prevent this from happening over all the places you live in. If not, I guess you won't be able to help us ;).
I know how it is to face all the left wing people... whatever you say, no matter how true and solid, you are simply a racist, crazy or just "blaming an entire religion for the actions of few individuals".
Here's a little story. Please tell me what you think about the minority of extremist and the religion of peace.
I was sitting in class today near a Muslim girl (kinda cute actually, or that's what I thought). I asked to look at the calendar she had. She gave it to me, and to my amazement, it was a calendar that had almost in every day a picture of some shahid, (such as osama bin laden on 9/11. almost every day has its own shahid. and in Arabic (most kids learn to read also Arabic here, I'm no exception) there were many praises for their brave actions. (There was the birthday of nasrallah, and a special mark in the date where 3 Israeli soldiers from Israel were kidnapped to Lebanon, and 8 other killed. I'm educated to be patient. To be understanding and except the difference, but that's simply too much.
Well, after a little checking, I found out that those calendars were distributed to Arab and Muslim students by the Muslim student's board, And how surprising, the university's management completely supported that. Almost all the Muslim students in my class really like this calendar. The all have it. It's the hottest thing!
Have you ever heard of such a crazy story, or is it possible only here in Israel? Will they allow giving away such calendars in the United States, calendars that praise killers and terrorists??
Good bye and keep posting interesting stuff… I learn a lot here. And maybe even improve my English
Hebrewman, the growing problem is far greater than a "tiny minority of extremists". Your story above demonstrates that.
One bad apple in a bushel of apples will eventually spoil the whole bushel.
Thats what the posters here at Jihad Watch see, whereas most of the population does not.
Even more dishartening is that most of the population is oblivious to what is going on today and do not have any sense of danger of the erosion of our own culture, values and laws, tiny bits at a time.
"And how surprising, the university's management completely supported that."
...no one is accusing the current university administrators in colleges throughout the land of being smart.......
Hebrewman
The calender issue is one of the little gotcha games the muslims play. They are allowed to insult and provoke others with impunity but if you were to try the same game they will cry bloody murder and use it as an excuse to justify their over-reaction. Even after reading "The Arab Mind" and the "Closed Circle", dealing with their culture, it is still difficult to absorb. Actually, I don't want to understand it, I just want it to stay far far away.
Regarding improving your English...I would say that your English is suspiciously good. Any explanation?
Regarding the riots of the 60's; the aim was to create a privileged minority, with the cost of those privileges borne by the majority -- a form of jizya (I believe that's the term for the special taxes paid by non-moslems in moslem countries), altho no one had heard of that term then. By means of violence far worse than any seen in the Paris suburbs (so far)and threats of even more violence, this aim was largely achieved. And it is that success that the islamicists wish to copy, And so they are using many of the same tactics, copying from the same play-book. While their aim in the long term may well be the complete islamicization of the country, in the short term it's for special privileges, the costs of which will be borne by the non-moslem majority.
So far, their numbers in this country are so small -- maybe 2% of the population -- that they are still "trying it on". Once their numbers reach 10-12%, we'll see the real action; a full re-play on the 60's, only maybe more violent yet.
My point is that we've been thru this once, and we don't have to go thru it again. We can put a stop to it now, before it gets any worse by holding their numbers to present levels, or even (may it please Allah) rducing them.
Full me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
That last line should be "Fool me once, shame on yoo; fool me twice, shame on me." Sorry.