The problem is not America...or me: An invitation for Dinesh D'Souza

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When I saw the above screenshot at Hot Air of a new Fox News promo, I immediately thought of Dinesh D'Souza, who in his new book The Enemy At Home says that "the cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11." I do not believe that either the left or the right in America is responsible for causing 9/11, which I believe took place because of the expansionist and totalitarian jihad ideology and the renewed strength of some in the Islamic world to further its ends -- with, to be sure, a healthy sense of grievance against the West used for recruitment purposes. But I have long stressed, and continue to believe on the basis of numerous historical precedents, that those grievances, if redressed, would not end the jihad, which would simply continue to recruit on the basis of different grievances.

In any case, I just discovered, via referrals from Powerline, that D'Souza goes farther, and blames me also for Islamic terrorism. I have his book but haven't finished reading it yet -- when I wrote this and this about interviews he conducted, I didn't know this was in his book. But I just found this on page 278:

In order to build alliances with traditional Muslims, the right must take three critical steps. First, stop attacking Islam. Conservatives have to cease blaming Islam for the behavior of the radical Muslims. Recently the right has produced a spate of Islamophobic tracts with titles like Islam Unveiled, Sword of the Prophet, and The Myth of Islamic Tolerance. There is probably no better way to repel traditional Muslims, and push them into the radical camp, than to attack their religion and their prophet.

Two of the three books he mentions, of course, are mine: Islam Unveiled and The Myth of Islamic Tolerance. His point about them, however, can just as easily be used against him: I have many times emphasized that the jihad threatens all Americans, both leftists and rightists. There is probably no better way to repel anti-jihad leftists, and push them into the arms of the jihadists (with whom so much of the left is already allied), than to dub them "the enemy at home." But irony aside, D'Souza's point here is wrong in numerous ways. First and foremost, he seems to assume that the jihadists have -- that's right -- "hijacked" the Religion of Peace. Dean Barnett puts this very well:

This view of things is dangerously misguided, and dangerously ignorant. The Radical Islamic world doesn’t hate us because our TV shows are too racy or our women too provocative. The Radical Islamic world hates us not for what we are but for what we aren’t. Specifically, the haters at issue loathe us because we’re not Muslims.

Here’s how the Ayatollah Khomeini put it:

“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies.”

One of the things that makes “The Enemy at Home” so strange is that D’Souza never grapples with this side of Islam. Especially odd is the fact that even though D’Souza quotes Khomeini at several points, he never cites this particular speech. This is almost inexplicable; the above quote comes from a 1942 Khomeini work that is more or less the equivalent of the madman’s Gettysburg Address. It’s his signature piece. It defies belief that D’Souza delved even superficially into the Khomeini collection and these comments didn’t catch his eye.

Second, he assumes that peaceful Muslims will have a greater sense of solidarity with jihadists than with non-Muslims. That is indeed very likely true, but it makes hash of his entire thesis -- that social conservatives should ally with these "traditional" Muslims. For if these peaceful Muslims really abhor jihadism, they should have no reason to object to critical presentations of the elements of Islam that foster jihadism. But if such presentations will just drive them into the arms of the jihadists, then how committed could they really have been to peace and moderation in the first place? If they think "Islamophobic tracts" (a characterization I do not accept) are more threatening to their religion than acts of terrorism done in the name of Islam, how "traditional" and moderate could they possibly be?

This is a fundamental question, and it warrants debate, not the mainstream media's usual treatment (yes, both liberal and conservative) of assuming the correctness of one point of view without due consideration.

With full awareness of how important this question is, I will be working on a full review of his book this week. Certainly there is a personal element in this now, since he named my books, and I believe a reputedly responsible commentator such as Dinesh D'Souza should know better than to blame me (and Srdja Trifkovic) for terrorism, but the issues involved are far more important than personal affronts. I am hereby inviting and challenging Dinesh D'Souza to a debate, on the topic of "Is Critical Examination of Islam Helping Or Hurting the Defense Against the Jihad?" Or a similar topic of his choosing, in a venue of his choice, to which I will happily travel at my own expense. I also invite C-Span or anyone else to film this debate when it happens, and broadcast it far and wide. Or I will debate him on television, on radio, in print, or in all three.

I have no contact information for Dinesh D'Souza -- we were scheduled to debate on a show last week but he didn't show up. If anyone reading this knows him, please convey this invitation to him.

UPDATE: Dinesh D'Souza tells me we are scheduled to debate at CPAC. I haven't heard anything about that from CPAC, but I look forward to it.

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The Myth of Islamic Tolerance, which Robert only edits, has several authors - Ibn Warraq, Bat Yeor, and some others I forget. Question: how many of them belong to the Right?

As far as I'm concerned, neither does D'Souza. In the meantime, as far as the debate is concerned, don't hold your breath.

Website:
http://www.dineshdsouza.com/

Contact info:
dineshjdsouza@aol.com

Robert, according to his web site his email address is dineshjdsouza@aol.com

Web site is here: http://www.dineshdsouza.com/more/contact.html

BTW, D'Souza's book was eviscerated in today's NYT book review: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/books/review/Wolfe.t.html?_r=1&ref=books&oref=slogin

"Recently the right has produced a spate of Islamophobic tracts with titles like Islam Unveiled, Sword of the Prophet, and The Myth of Islamic Tolerance."
-- from Dinesh D'Souza's latest book

Has Dinesh D'Souza read either "The Myth of Islamic Tolerance" or the other works by those who contributed to that anthology? What would lead him to call this a book of the "right" or its authors of the "right"? Does he know something about them, about their views on anything other than Islam?

Ibn Warraq, for example. What are his views on the world that Dinesh D'Souza thinks make him someone on the "right"? Is it his contempt for Edward Said and the influence he has had on the study of history and literature? Does that make someone on the "right"? Is it his views on the environment, or taxation, or home-schooling, or possibly on what he thinks of free trade, or the unfettered free market? Does Dinesh D'Souza know a thing about what Ibn Warraq thinks about these things?

And what of the volume's main contributor, Bat Ye'or? What does Dinesh D'Souza know about her views of taxation, the free market, education, and so on? I suspect he knows nothing at all, because like Ibn Warraq, she has not revealed a thing about her views on such matters. And why should she?

The cheapness of D'Souza, with his reductionism that cannot accommodate scholarship (real, not false), and that offers only phrases such as those about "left" and "right," can be seen more clearly if one actually examines the contents of "The Myth of Islamic Tolerance."

What qualifies Walter Short, author of "The Jizya Tax: "Euqality and Dignity Under Islamic Law?" to be considered on the right? And what of Sahmuel Shahid, author of the article "Rights of Non-Muslims in an Islamic State? What, in Dinesh D'Souza's tiny universe, makes Patrick Sookhdeo's review of "Christians in the Muslim World" a product of the "right"? And Mark Durie, the Australian who contributed several articles, including "Documentation of Oppression of Religious Freedom in Aceh, Indonesia"?

And does Robert Wistrich's article "The Ideology of Jihad: Antisemitism/Genocide/Slavery" offend Dinesh D'Souza?

What does Dinesh D'Souza find troubling about the article "Apostasy, Human Rights, Religion and Beleif--New Threats ot the Freedom of Opino and Expresssion: The Problem of Apostasy in an Islaic-Christian Context" by Paul Cook, or the other articles on threats to those who, born into Islam, wish to leave Islam for Christianity or another faith or no faith at all?


What does any of this have to do with "right" or "left"?

His inability to think beyond these terms, so irrelevant to the matter and menace at hand, and in general terms so easy to invoke and wave about, a magic wand for someone at the end of his mental tether, struggling to make a media splash, and a fast buck, and then a series of slower bucks through the lecture circuit, is shown in everything about this book and indeed, it sheds light on the unedifying career and mental state of Dinesh D'Souza.

He is simply not intelligent enought to discuss these matters. The cheap reductiveness of his thought comes shining through. It was always there. But now it is less difficult, it is easy, to discern.

Traditional Moslems.

What is their tradition? Anybody in here read the Hadiths? It's a long slog, but having read the Hadiths (or much of it, it never seems to end) I can tell you that Dinesh is secondary, not primary, in his historical research.

If you're gonna publish a book on Islam, or broadcast a radio show (Michael Savage), then read the damned books. Please.

I am relieved--because you never know how these things will turn out--to see early dismissals of the book from the right by Dean Barnett (Hugh Hewitt's co-blogger) and Powerline's Scott Johnson. I also posted my own brief negative assessment of D'Souza's argument, based on his Q&A at NRO and his early public appearances, at Amazon (my blog is taking a break), but I kinda think you and Johnson and Barnett have larger platforms--so way to go.

I agree with most of the Alan Wolfe/New York Times book review, despite a couple of standard liberal swipes.


"Conservatives have to cease blaming Islam for the behavior of the radical Muslims."

He should read the quran, that would clear the air a bit.

D'Souza and his sea change. Did he receive an offer he couldn't refuse? Perhaps, perhaps not. Blaming anything but Islam (political ideology all balled up with religious features or vice versa) on Islamic attacks (jihad) against the non-Islamic world serves nothing but Islam and the bearers of that ideology-etc.

The vicious fighting between Democrats and Republicans, Left and Right, must cease, lest we wind up behaving like Sunnis and Shi'ites: irreconcilable differences that foreshadow our defeat(as it does theirs (Sunnis and Shi'ites.)

Islamophobia: The irrational fear of Islam or Muslims.

I don't know anyone in this world who is filled with anxiety over Muslims, runs away from Muslims on sight like a Hitchcock movie or suffers from homophobia as these word spinners like to label sound, moral and rational people for their normal dislike or revulsion for violent or degrading behavior.

This ilk with agendas trying to make all normal people as the problem for accurately judging the koran when it says murder non believers and when Muslims are murdering everyone who is not like them are thee problem. They are closet abusers at heart who are terrified of questioning thoughts and hate themselves for the worthless refuse they are.

Would be wonderful if in your debate you could have Mr. Muslim name one person by name he knows who has an irrational fear of Muslims. There are none.

From Alan Wolfe's book review that Kamala cited (thanks):

Yet despite all his heated rhetoric, D’Souza’s book is unlikely to make much of a dent. It relies on a distinction between traditional and radical Islam that even he does not take seriously; there are no theological differences between the two camps, he suggests at one point, and even the “few” political differences between them are disappearing. It is filled with factual errors (Milton Himmelfarb, not Irving Kristol, compared the voting behavior of Jews to that of Puerto Ricans; Diana Eck is not a historian, but Thomas Frank, wrongly identified as a political scientist, is).
Alan Wolfe further down the article describes himself as a Liberal, but he could have done a better job with that review by pointing out the other targets of the Islamists outside America. Are the Baifran Christians culturally decadent? How about the Maronites in Lebanon, or the Copts in Egypt? Do Christians in Pakistan or Indonesia indulge heavily in gambling and prostitution?

He could have done this without necessarily handing any brownie points to the Right, assuming that the latter is something he wants to avoid.

He's always been given to condescending soundbits with an interest in making a quick buck.

A pseudo-expert on everything.

Please don't buy his book. PLEASE!

Let the critical reviews of a few free copies speak for themselves.

Well. well. It seems Mr. Spencer is a very powerful and dangerous man. "The pen is mightier..."

I got to run and get those books

(although the "Truth About Moha-mad" - pardon the liberty in the title - the truth about the psycho sickened me.)

But it will reinforce my resistance. GOd! Is there anything more EVIL than islam!!!!

He would not remember me though we had some interactions in the early 90`s. I think, though If many people write polite notes this could happen as it should happen.


Mr. D`Souza.

I have enjoyed your writing quite a bit and have enjoyed it as much in agreement as disagreement.

I happen to especially disagree with the thesis of your current book, as I understand it, though I have yet read the work entirely though I intend to.

I am writing to ask you if you would please indeed consider the offer of Mr. Robert Spencer, which I believe is made in complete good faith and which on an absolutely critical topic.

Best regards,

[Tokyobk]

Mr. D'Souza,


Since you believe that American policy is behind the terrorist attacks our country has faced, I state the following:

Where is American policy in Kashmir, where Hindus are being killed?

Where is American policy in south Thailand, where Buddhist are being killed?

Where is American policy in Malaysia, where Christians are being killed?

Where is American policy in Armenia, where Christians are being killed?

Where is American policy at in Egypt, where Coptic Christians are being killed?

Where is American policy in Turkey, where Christians are being killed?

Where was American policy in Somalia, when nuns were raped and killed, and jihad was declared by the Islamic Council?

and the list goes on and on.....

When you find the answers to these questions, please get a hold of me.

Cordially,

Patriot_1/17


the 1930'3 are repeating themselves..........

Hitler only wanted back the old Germany territories.............

the cult of islam only wants to control islamic countries.

the only problem is that Hitler thought that the world was Germany territories..........

and

the cult of islam only wants to make all the world islamic...............

it does not matter if a mo is radical or moderate, they have the same goal - world domination and utilize only different tacticts to get attain their goals.

does any believe that the loyalty of the mos rests any where but with the cult of islam?????

The Texican.
God, Family, America and Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Attacking Islam? Now those would be the folks who were in the World Trade Center on 9/11, or on those planes, right? I have a real simple vision of tolerance, people deserve the same level of tolerance they give others. Not much different than Lincoln's "Those who would not be a slave, must consent to have no slave." I strongly desired and until recent years always hoped we could live peacefully side by side, yet every example of where they have complete control over a nation proves they are as ruthless and tyrannical as any communist state who are their strange bedfellows.

There is probably no better way to repel traditional Muslims, and push them into the radical camp, than to attack their religion and their prophet.

Christians have had their religion and their prophet "attacked" by the movies "The DaVinci Code", "Life of Brian", "Saved", and "The Last Temptation of Christ", multiple episodes of "South Park", authors like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, and Bertrand Russell, and musicians like Marilyn Manson....not counting numerous Islamic publications written by the likes of Ahmed Deedat. Yet we have no traditional Christians driven into a radical terroristic camp as a result, do we?

What does Dinesh say about Salman Rushdie?

Just about every other contributor to JW/DW seems to be more knowledgable than this D'Souza. He is a mental lightweight and doesn't deserve the attention.

He could be a twin brother to the Bunglawalla ding dong from
Al Guardian. Remember the guy who sent Charles from LGF hatemail via the Guardian e-mail server?

As I read some of the comments in this forum, it's clear that most of you are ignorant to other religions, most notably Islam. So I decided to include some FACTS about Islam.

Islam = Total submission to god
Muslim= One who submits to god
Allah= God (also used by arab speaking christians and jews)
Out of the 25 prohets mentioned in the Quran, the five most important in Islam are: Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad (pbuh).
Muslims, Christians, and Jews pray to the same god.

Islam is not a name, but a description: "Total submission to god". And if you attack Islam profanely, you are attacking anybody who believes in the one true God, which would also include Christians and Jews.

"Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewsih, the Christians, the converts; anyone who
1.)believes in God, and
2.)believes in the Hereafter, and
3.)leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
Sura [2:62,5:69]

Go out meet a muslims, read the Quran and find out for yourself the truth about real muslims, and not criminals.

I think I'll start with Al-Anfal and Al-Tawba. Can I direct deposit my jizya with you deathtocrusaders? Or would you prefer to ambush me and cut off my head? I'm trying to work with you.

deathtocrusaders:

'Go out meet a muslims, read the Quran and find out for yourself the truth about real muslims, and not criminals.'

You did not tell us how to differentiate between a Muslim and the criminal.

P.S Love the handle.

The jihadis are not the conscience of America, as Dinesh implies. What an obscene idea.

Strange though... no matter how many books were written against Buddhism, Jainism or Christianity, I doubt that it would cause them to engage on a killing spree or fly jet-liners into office buildings.

If moderate Muslims can be radicalized by a few books and impolite comments then this demonstrates exactly the point that D'Souza is trying to brush away: MUSLIMS ARE EASILY RADICALIZED - Why? Because of ISLAM.

-Stefcho

Guess the answer to the troll is right here:

You could start by saying:

'If you follow Mohammed, you will be a robber, a rapist, a child molester, a terrorist, an arsonist and a genocidal maniac. All of these activities make you a criminal.

Follow Mohammed and you end up in jail or dead. Allahu Akhbar!

Dinesh D'Souza is another dumb dhimmi, despite his degrees and published books. In addition to Mr. Spencer's excellent comments in today's Frontpagemagazine, please read Victor Davis Hanson's piece. He names names of prominent, hate-America-and-everything-about-it dictators in the Middle East who also happen to have their children at American universities and other close relatives living and working in the USA. In other words, these Muslim hypocrites don't want their loved ones to live in the hellholes that they preside over in the Islamic world. That's right...Muslim tyrants would rather Jr. attend secular American universities, in towns where Mr. Spencer's books are available for sale. An added PS/ I don't follow Ms. D'Souza's career closely, but it seems that it has been awhile since I have heard about him. His bank account could have been running on low. Could he have taken a page from Jimmy Carter's play book and received some generous 'grants' from certain rich Arabs to write the latest blame-the-West book??

I agree with all that is said, but paradoxically I believe modern fundamental Islamanics hate us for what they are not. They cannot explain the fundamental paradox why if their religion is superior, Islam has invented nothing, and its followers are among the poorest on the globe. Hence, the nihilism, death and destruction. Indeed, the billion inhabitants of the Islamic world live in one of the worst cesspools on globe and have virtually no development. Yes, one can have a fairly good life style if you adopt an imperialism of rape and plunder the other. In the short term, murder, slavery and theft can supplement a meager existence. But, fundamentally, the affluence and technology of the West was not invented by the followers of Allah. Indeed, the tools these savages use to attack the West would cease functioning shortly after they were in charge.

They attack us because of an envy and jealousy that they justify with one of the most incoherent religions ever developed. Indeed, the religion is not meant to be understood. This is why madras education is one that emphasizes Koran scholarship by mindless repetition. The Koran is not meant to be understood. It is meant to be chanted when someone is in a stupor and is used to encourage followers to do evil things. In this sense, envy, is the dominant reason that the modern form of Islam is projecting its animus against the West. At the same time Moslems claim their god demands infidels become Moslem, the Moslem demand is motivated because of the failure of Moslems in Moslem countries to achieve anything in the world other than poverty and ignorance and cesspool status for its one billion or so people of this planet, while the rest of the globe actually makes real tangible progress in increasing wealth and affluence and a real change in life style for hundreds of millions of the poor. The Caliphate countries cannot explain why China, India and Africa prospers as the Caliphate stagnates. This is why they confront us.

A psychopath must be straight jacketed or he can do significant damage. Indeed, this nonsense of re-establishing the Caliphate ignores de facto the Caliphate already reigns over Al Arbiya and has not done much for its subjects since de-colonialization of the 1940s.

Spot on, David. One sees comments by Muslims who wax lyrical about "my beautiful Islam" - clearly they have never studied their own creed. There is no equivalent of Bible Study. Their feeble attempts at apologetics (nice example by deathtocrusaders above) are nothing more than bare assertion. Pathetic, really.

deathtocrusaders,


"As I read some of the comments in this forum, it's clear that most of you are ignorant to other religions, most notably Islam. So I decided to include some FACTS about Islam.

Islam = Total submission to god
Muslim= One who submits to god
Allah= God (also used by arab speaking christians and jews)
Out of the 25 prohets mentioned in the Quran, the five most important in Islam are: Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad (pbuh).
Muslims, Christians, and Jews pray to the same god.

Islam is not a name, but a description: "Total submission to god". And if you attack Islam profanely, you are attacking anybody who believes in the one true God, which would also include Christians and Jews.

"Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewsih, the Christians, the converts; anyone who
1.)believes in God, and
2.)believes in the Hereafter, and
3.)leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
Sura [2:62,5:69]

Go out meet a muslims, read the Quran and find out for yourself the truth about real muslims, and not criminals. "


After reading this posting, as a Christian, I do have a few questions to ask.

If Muslims with Jews and Christians worship the "same God", why is it that Muslims bow down to a large cube with a metor rock inside? Is not a worshiping of that "rock" as God?

Also can you please not insult those who post here. This website is a meaningful place to discuss the issues involving jihad. Thank-you.

PS: You can learn more by going online and doing your research because the internet is a wonderful tool for research.

deathtocrusaders:

Robert, Hugh and many of the posters on this site have studied Islam in more depth and breadth than most (if not all) Muslims ever have, or ever will.

The study of Islam in the serious, rational, scholarly way that is part of the intellectual culture driving the West's success, results in the following summary: Muslims are the dupes of a vile and wicked creed. Most are unaware of this because Muslims are not encouraged to study their own creed in the rational, western manner. Some are, however, and embrace its wickedness.

3.)leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
Sura [2:62,5:69]
Posted by: deathtocrusaders

So you mean to say murder, looting and rape, which is what muhammad did, are what the "righteous" do ?

Moslems, if you claim to have so much in common with the Jewish and Christian faiths, bring back the ten commandments. Bring back the one that says "thou shalt not kill!" and not the one that continues "unless it is just" or continues "unless you commit mischief in the land." Indeed, the abrogation of the ten commandments explains why Islam is a demonic religion.

There were people in the 1930's that blamed the rise of Hitler and the Nazis on the policies of the Allies, particularly re the Versailles treaty. There is always some "reason", some rationalization for aggressive and predatory actions by people like Hitler or Bin Laden. But at bottom, all of these rationalizations cover the will to power, the simple need to dominate, even to exterminate one's enemies. There are many similarities between Nazism and Islam (including Jew-hating) that really have nothing to do with America or any other country or people.

Hitler viewed life as a biological struggle and viewed "living space" and the expansion of the turf of the "Aryans" as a necessity. All of the attacks on the West (including American "Negro Jazz") and the the alleged control of the West by Jews had nothing to do with the predatory nature of Nazism. It was a supremacist concept, just as Islam is supremacist, and both rationalize deception, exploitation and mass murder (Darfur, e.g.) in the name of the belief-system. Ultimately, one cannot negotiate with such fanaticism, or its Hitlerite claims of victimization.

Dinesh D'Souza is beginning to look like Neville Chamberlain who blamed the Versailles treaty for Hitler and the Nazis. The truth is that Hitler blamed the Jews for everything and that was the "reason" for the deception, hypocrisy, exploitation and the violence of the Nazis. Chamberlain's hope of coming to "an understanding" with Hitler was impossible because of that.

In like manner, Islam blames the Jews in Israel and America for all their woes and that is "justification" for their attacks on America. However, Islam's attacks in Darfur are more clearly related to the will to power-and that is the real reason for their attacks on America. They must dominate and America stands in the way. The belief-system of Nazism and Islam have the same need to dominate-all else is rationalization, "reasons".

Robert said,

"I have no contact information for Dinesh D'Souza -- we were scheduled to debate on a show last week but he didn't show up."

He couldn't make it. He was being fitted for a straight-jacket at the time.

Dinesh: Islam needs to dominate. America stands in the way of that. That is the real reason for 911. The issue here is power. Everything else: Jews, Israel, American "immorality" are rationalizations to cover the real motive. Nazis and Muslims are moral lunatics who claim victimization by the same people and their alleged "immorality". Hitler made the same claims as heard in the Muslim world.

The issue is domination. Period.

A few comments in reply to soe of those I've read here:

Dinesh D'Souza, an American of Goan heritage, wrote an excellent book _The End of Racism_, in which he basically arued that racism at the end of the 20th century wasn't the force in American life that it was at the beginning. He will always have my respect for that book, which takes the acceptance of non-white Americans, the rise of the multiracials, and a genuine American ethnic pluralism seriously as positive forces.

I have not read his latest, though. However, as early as the 1979, i was groaning and unhappy about the way the American MSM (dominated by liberals-at least in the NYSlimes and WashCompost) gleefully picked up on the term "Islamic fundamentalism" to describe the Khomeini-ites. it as a transparent attempt to make the Evangelical Christians, who at that point were defecting to the GOP in Jimeh Cahduh's hour of need. Later, I ran into Malaysians who asked if they were now America's enemies because they abstained from pork and prayed five times daily. Hence, our idiotic rhetoric, informed by a histry not at all parallel to that of the Islamic world, is partly to blame for our current state. While I know what side I'm on now that the trouble has started; I also know that the high-minded, multi-cultie liberal who thinks himself soooooo superior and "neutral" when compared to those who admit they follow a tradition has done his share to create the mess.

Yes, Islam is violent, and its core texts preach violence in a way that is not at all relativized or limited (as in the OT). But for a long time, Islam was quiescent. Maybe 1979 was a watershed year marking the end of the secularist era; but maybe, more carefully chosen rhetoric might have allowed the USA a little more wiggle room in the Islamic world and prevented a general assumption that the USA is hostile.

Mother Ecclesia: From some of your other posts, you seem to be a Catholic. Why, then, do you say that the Jews worship "Yahweh, a somewhat unpleasant God"? Jesus and his apostles never repudiated the Old Testament, and Jesus' claim in John 8 "before Abraham was, I AM" is a claim to be the YHWH of the Old Testament incarnate--compare Exodus 3 and how the Divine Name seems linkd to the Hebrew word for "to be".

This Protestant chooses to stick with the frank admission that the New Testament draws heavily on the Old; he'll use the Psalter as a book of prayer and praise; and find a lot of Christian ethics in the Law and Prophets. And I think that I probably have a lot of the Greek and Latin fathers on my side on this isue.

Go out meet a muslims, read the Quran and find out for yourself the truth about real muslims, and not criminals.


Posted by: deathtocrusaders at January 22, 2007 03:31 AM

Actually, I have had the displeasure of meeting a number of muslims. Without exception, I have found them rude, arrogant, hostile, ignorant, inflammatory, insulting, and basically stupid. Oh, and their hygiene is absolutely terrible. Most of them smelled BAD.

Robert Spencer posted:

"If they think "Islamophobic tracts" (a characterization I do not accept) are more threatening to their religion than acts of terrorism done in the name of Islam, how "traditional" and moderate could they possibly be?"

I do not accept that characterization, either. A fear of Islam rampant is not irrational, and a tract is generally known as a leaflet of religious or political propaganda where the conclusion is reached in advance, and the "proof" is tailored to fit. This more accurately describes D'Sousa's book than Spencer's, IMHO.

To find his "traditional" Islam, it appears D'Souza looks back no further than his own childhood - to the quiescent Islam held in check by Western military might.I guess he is correct in that "lying in wait" is traditional for them...

One more HUGE example of lefty-liberal crap.

Why is it that these folks think you can solve everything by holding a tea party with your enemies?

This is just plain STUPID thinking. Exposing Islam is NOT creating terrorists. Imams, and muslims who swallow their hateful teachings are creating terrorists.

As Margaret Thatcher said, following 911...

"The people who brought down those towers were Muslims and Muslims must stand up and say that is not the way of Islam. They must say that it is disgraceful. I have not heard enough condemnation from Muslim priests."

Interestingly enough, we are STILL not hearing enough condemnation are we?

Seems that the muslims can organise and protest when it suits them, but they remain much too quiet when it comes to condemning terrorists. Why are they not marching against Bin Laden? Why are they not issuing fatwas against Bin Laden and other well-known terrorists?

If they truly wanted to show the world that they are not in agreement with 'radical, fundamentalist islam, then why are they not standing united against this supposed hijacking of their 'peaceful' religion?

Probably for the very same reason that so-called 'christians' stood silent in Germany and other European countries whilst Hitler murdered the Jews. Because for centuries, they had heard it preached from the pulpits that Jews were Jesus murderers. They sat quiet and allowed a wicked (in their minds - justice) to happen and did nothing to stop it.

The idiot that wrote this article is promoting ignorance to the already ignorant left.

Keep up the good work Robert. Word is getting out both here and in the UK (thanks to Channel 4).

Given enough time and enough rope, Islam will hang itself.

Indeed, the abrogation of the ten commandments explains why Islam is a demonic religion.

Posted by: David England

The Ten Commandments, were written by the finger of God. As with our own legal system, there are penalties for breaking the law.

According to the scriptures, God warns that the wages of sin (singular not plural - not sins) (sin = transgression of the law) is death. Breaking just one is all that is needed. One lie, one murder, one theft, etc.

Islam does not contain the Ten Commandments because Islam was dictated by one who is opposed to God and will therefore never submit to God OR His laws.

You hit the nail on the head David.

deathtocrusaders:

Your post is written around our lack of knowledge and your righteous life.

Then you sign it "deathtocrusaders".

Business as usual from you Muslims!

Final thought re "Immorality":

Hitler condemned Hollywood and the "immorality" of America (Hitler was a real maven of moral behavior-right?). It's nonsense.

I become very suspicious when I see people condemn other peoples' "immorality" as a cause of anything. It reminds me of the Jim and Tammy Baker rants re "immorality in the media" of twenty years ago. My first reaction then was to think: what are these people hiding?

Truly moral people (Ghandi, e.g.) are not concerned about the "immorality" of other people. They are concerned about their own behavior. People who are so concerned about the "immorality" of others are shifting the focus of attention away from their own hypocrisy-deception, they are hiding secrets.

No truly moral person will be condemning others, they will condemn themselves for their own "immorality" and shortcomings re right and wrong. Otherwise, it's Hitler or Jim Baker or Bin Laden condemning "immorality".

It's bullshit.

If one here remembers, Jesus was tempted by Satan,
“Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.”
However, he did not fall for it.

“You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

“For if these peaceful Muslims really abhor jihadism, they should have no reason to object to critical presentations of the elements of Islam that foster jihadism. But if such presentations will just drive them into the arms of the jihadists, then how committed could they really have been to peace and moderation in the first place? If they think "Islamophobic tracts" (a characterization I do not accept) are more threatening to their religion than acts of terrorism done in the name of Islam, how "traditional" and moderate could they possibly be?”

Well said. And where are the examples of once peaceful terrorist-hating Muslims turned into terrorists or even terrorist supporters because they read one of Mr Spencer’s books? On the other hand there are many ex—Muslims who grew up not really knowing well their professed religion but who have courageously left Islam for just the sort of reasons exemplified in the disturbing revelations given in Spencer’s books (Eg., see “Leaving Islam” at http://www.faithfreedom.org ).

De Sousa seems to me an opportunistic writer who managed to come up with a thesis that he knew would endear him to the millions of naïve liberals looking for just such nonsense to latch onto as a counter to Mr Spencer while continuing to feel all “tolerant”, warmhearted and non-Islamaphobic. Guaranteed to sell books.

In order to build alliances with traditional Muslims, the right must take three critical steps. First, stop attacking Islam. Conservatives have to cease blaming Islam for the behavior of the radical Muslims.

Initially, I thought that we should give D'Souza some space to elaborate his strategy. But now he is calling for the effective suppresson of free speech, in the hope, seriously musguided at that, that the Jihad will stop because moderate Muslims will then disassociate themselves from the Jihadis. This is convoluted thinking.

"Hitler condemned Hollywood and the "immorality" of America..."
-- from a posting above

Yes, there was Jazz, too, described as that "Negro-Jewish"( or possiblly "Jewish-Negro") music. There were those naughty Hollywood movies, with all those Jewish directors and producers. There were those books by all kinds of immoral writers -- Thomas Mann, Stefan Zweig, Heinrich Heine -- that needed to be burnt in that auto-da-fe, good clean fun for healthy Nazi stormtroopers, bursting with morality.

And that is what is so wonderful, in D'Souza's view, about Islam. No tattoos. No adultery. No body-piercing. Just upright people, with upright family values, and children who obey their parents, and everyone obeys Allah, and tries to emulate that Perfect Man, Muhammad. Because everyone, you see, has been raised in a Muslim-only society that inculcates the habit of mental submission. Yes, Follow Orders, Please. Be a Slave to Allah. Ours never to reason why. For Allah knows best. Remember that.

Jawohl, mein Fuhrer.

FM-

I can imagine Jesus saying, "Lil OL Robert is messing with the Pharisees". God protect Robert since he's just a human asking the Pharisees embarrassing questions.

Hugh-

Well said. You do have a way with words.

I think 100 years from now this current crisis with Islam will be seen as of one piece with the Hitler-Mussolini era. The fascist-totalitarian will to power will be seen as being interrupted by the Cold War. However, I think future history will see this era as Act II in the drama re Jews, American "immorality" and all that you note. The similarities between the Nazis and Islam are remarkable. The final Act III will end as Act I ended-however, this time there will be no holocaust. In the long term, there will be no bowing to Berlin or to Mecca.

Dinesh D'Souza's line of thought is intellectually and morally sloppy, and to make matters worse it is not even original. In the book Ecumenical Jihad: Ecumenism in the Culture War by Peter Kreeft, published in 1996 -- over a decade ago -- an almost identical thesis was propounded, and has since been thoroughly discredited by events on the ground (and in the air). These intellectual leftovers in the back of the refrigerator are getting pretty rancid, and no amount of dressing up can relieve the stench or cover up the mold!

Hugh
Jawohl mein Fuhrer!...but somehow it isn't the same. It's hard to get that heal clicking sound when you are wearing sandals

Bravo Mr. Spencer. I have been eagerly awaiting your rejoinders to D'Souza. I admire you so much. Can't wait to see/hear an open debate!

Great post.

DD Souza has the same problem than most of the Americans.

He just didn't understand that most of the muslim world already hate us and most of the muslim world opened champaign on 9/11.

We are facing totalitarism. The best way to win against it is to bring democracy to the Middle East and to cut countries like Iraq from the MA propaganda that rages in this region.

Great post.

DD Souza has the same problem than most of the Americans.

He just didn't understand that most of the muslim world already hate us and most of the muslim world opened champaign on 9/11.

We are facing totalitarism. The best way to win against it is to bring democracy to the Middle East and to cut countries like Iraq from the MA propaganda that rages in this region.

drzz
http://drzz.over-blog.org

And if you attack Islam profanely, you are attacking anybody who believes in the one true God, which would also include Christians and Jews.

I know of no Christians or Jews who feel attacked when Islam is attacked. Likewise, I know of no Muslims who feel attacked when Judaism or Christianity is attacked (where were the Muslim protests over "The Da Vinci Code", "Bruce Almighty", etc.?)

Even if what you say is true, only one group among the Jews, Christians, and Muslims goes to pieces when Islam is attacked.

yadayada, if muslims ever get mad over "Bruce Almighty" it will be because God was portrayed by a black man, you know an "abeed".

It seems to me that Mr. D’Souza is playing a psychological game of poke the hornets nest with us. On one side he is accused of believing that the left caused 9-11, on the other he is accused of believing that the right must find common ground with the islamists. Well I do believe that policies of the left have no friends in islam and their PCMC did nothing but shield the 9-11 islamists as it still does today. In my opinion they didn’t actually cause it to occur. On the other hand, the right finding common ground in censorship of the lowest order, who’s kidding who? Is he trying to point out how ridiculous both these ideas are or just trying to sell more books?

deathtocrusaders,

"Islam is not a name, but a description: "Total submission to god". And if you attack Islam profanely, you are attacking anybody who believes in the one true God, which would also include Christians and Jews."

Do everyone who is either Jewish or Christian a favor an PLEASE not use us to promote a holier-then-thou attitude. Thank-you.

I emailed Dinesh D'Souza he emailed me back: here is the conversation:

I said:

From: ME
Date: Jan 22, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: Robert Spencer asking to Debate you will you do it????
To: dineshjdsouza@aol.com


Robert Specner is calling you out to back up the things you are
saying. Will you do it??? Will you debate him?? If you are confident
about your stance please respond to Robert Spencer at
director@jihadwatch.org let him know where he is wrong. You can ready
more on what Spencer had to say here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014930.php

He said:

From: DineshJDSouza@aol.com
Date: Jan 22, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Robert Spencer asking to Debate you will you do it????
To: ME



I already have. I'm happy to debate him and believe we are scheduled to debate at CPAC in DC.

DD

So are you debating him at CPAC? If so I am looking forward to it.

DiSouza says: "In order to build alliances with traditional Muslims, the right must take three critical steps. First, stop attacking Islam. Conservatives have to cease blaming Islam for the behavior of the radical Muslims. Recently the right has produced a spate of Islamophobic tracts with titles like Islam Unveiled, Sword of the Prophet, and The Myth of Islamic Tolerance. There is probably no better way to repel traditional Muslims, and push them into the radical camp, than to attack their religion and their prophet."

1. Note D'Souza's complete lack of concern for what is true in regard to Islam. Stating factual information about Islam--its doctrine, history, and present-day existence--is taken by D'Souza to be taboo. In other words, D'Souza wants us to either lie or withhold important factual information about Islam.

2. The first and foremost concern in publicizing criticism of Islam (which D'Souza calls "attacking" Islam) is not to kiss up to the alleged mass of moderate Muslims (about 58%-78% of whom, in Britain, demand that Islam critics be punished criminally, and only 3% of whom consistently accept freedom of expression) but to educate the non-Muslims. This project is still, 5-and-a-half years after 9/11, in its early stages. The vast majority of the general non-Muslim population in the west still has not more than a slight clue that there could be a problem with Islam itself. Many people have an uneasy feeling about Islam, but they do not have yet a grasp of the main facts, e.g., about basic Islamic policies, and Muhammad's conduct, and their basis in the core scriptures (not merely imagined in the heads of the bin Ladens and the Qaradawis). Only when the vast majority of non-Muslims has sufficient knowledge of the Islam problem will sufficient pressure be brought to bear on the "moderates". Until such pressure is being brought to bear on those "moderates," said "moderates" have no reason, no motive, to adjust one iota of their current attitude, which--when they are not spinning conspiracy theories about 9/11, etc--is much more in line with the bin Ladens and the Qaradawis than it is in line with mainstream western values. How does D'Souza expect to influence moderates in the right direction (toward our anti-jihad, anti-sharia perspective) if we have no social or political leverage on them, which is currently the case?

3. "Moderates" have existed ever since the beginning of Islam approximately 1400 years ago, and through to the present day. They are, strictly defined, very small in number, and have now, as they have always had, practically no influence on the Islamic mainstream (e.g., the imperialistic jihad policy, as well as death penalty for apostates and critics, death to adulterers, etc., all untouched in 1400 years). Given their consistent failure over 1400 years in numerous lands, in numerous societies, even in the free west, how could anyone rationally expect moderates to have any effect now, when there is even less incentive for them to have any kind of taming effect on Islam? The best thing that Non-Muslim critics can do is to conduct a targetted, systematic public exposure and demolition of the objectionable core elements of the Islamic ideology. Then let the "moderates" in Islam take that anyway they like, but it will force them into a position to either leave Islam or transform it in such a manner that it is defanged and ceases to be a political and social instrument, much less a militant one.

4. Another important move is to conduct accurate, honest, devastating critiques of the arguments of those among the non-Muslims who, wittingly or unwittingly, have made themselves the coddlers of jihad- and sharia-ideology, such as D'Souza. Hence I look forward to Robert Spencer's critique.

To say that we are "driving the 'moderates' into the arms of the jihadis" by commenting on their "prophet" is a not-so-veiled threat and at the same time a dig against our Freedom of speech/Expression.

I say that what we do in the West is OUR business. And if we want to make cartoons of any kind or Robert wants to write his book FROM HIS POINT OF VIEW then he is entitled to do so. Nothing should ever give cause to abrogate these rights - unless we are at War and specific instances of exercise of those rights are treasonous or seditious. None of which applies here.

Basically Mr. DeSousa is threatening that the "good cops" of islam - the "moderates" will turn into "bad cops" - open jihadists.

I say to that: If they are truely moderattes then neither Danish cartoons nor the books of Robert Spencer will cause them to turn "radical". On the other hand... you all know where I am going but let me lay it out.

On the other hand.. WE are responsible for THEIR radicalization?

In fact.. anything we do in the West to cause the enemy to show his true colors.. to come out of hiding and express himself freely and openly.. can only end up being to our advantage.

so keep on writting, Mr. Spencer and Mr. Fitzgerald!! Bravo to Jyllands-Posten!! Cheers and a big toast to you all who do this work!!

Pleased do NOT listen to this DeSouza ideas. He's either a defeatist or worse - an undercover jihadist himself.

We should give islam neither an inch of concessions nor anything but a kick in the rear!!

In fact their jihadism is causing former "moderates" like myself to demand that turkey return Konstantinopel to Greece. We want back the Hagia Sohia for it's rightful return to Europe.

Sorry I meant to say "its" rightful return. I know better than to use an apostophe when using the plural.

And then I read this: [from above]

D'Souza and his sea change. Did he receive an offer he couldn't refuse?


To which I say: No, he received an offer he couldn't defuse.

Islamophobia: The irrational fear of Islam or Muslims.


So what does one call RATIONAL fear of islam and moslems? no doubt the descrription above is a leftist one from Wakkipedia.

Attention : American.Western Politicians.

Learn from mistakes from India and do not repeat it .

For years the ,Bangladeshis have been ,migrating ( illegally) in India . Certain politicians encouraged it becasue for them it was a voote bank. Taking advantage of this, the Islamic mullahs secretly but slowly have increased in numbers and now influence the vote during elections(and deny violence even thought its obvious).
A certain poilitical party in India, denounced this and asked all illegal immigrants to be deported becasue it seemed obvious this was a national threat.They were called RACISTS and Non secular.The same is happeing to you. If you oppose the wrong thnig, you are RACist but they openly call for jihad and still termed as moderate muslims.
Have you ever seen a big Muslim rally because of their suicide bombers killed innoncent people.
But do a little security check on them at the airport and they suddenly have the time and voice to protest as if someone was killed.
But politicians either ignored it unkowingly or for sake of power vote bank.

Today this small threat is ballooned up into a big one as these people are bieng used by jihdists to recruit and create mayhem in India because they just cannot see the econmic growth as well as democratic values flourishing.
Today this minority is no longer a minority and threat.
For temporary political gains,the national threat was bieng breeded and now has started rearing its ugly head

Your UK/American politicians are repeating the same mistake. They are allowing future potetnial national threat by allowing free immigration for Muslims,justifying it as politcally correct and secularism.

First step: Stop immigration. I will suffer myself as a result of this because although I am a hindu,my skin color and looks can be easily mistaken for a muslim. But still I support total immigration laws or else you are just digging your own grave.

We need to understand one thning. Islam hate all non Muslims and for them the only way out is to kill them. How can one reason with someone like that.

I am sorry to say but you Westerners are people who live in different world and have no idea how much hate these muslims have for you. I have met Muslims in your country (who have mistaken me to be muslim and thius opened out to me) who would like nothnig but to harm and damage and probably kills peoplewithout thinkinig twice.I remmber once i was walking on the road in Montreal and a group of Guys asked me why i never visit the mosque or donate for islamic causes. They were under impression that I was a muslim. The moment they came to know I was a hindu,they changed their words and said they were just kidding and not serios. But deep below I knew it was not that

Stop Immigration . (Even though others may also suffer although they have done no wrong). If they want sharia law and islamic state ask them to stay in one and not make one of your country.

I hope you guys understand the extent of hatred they have for you.

The jihadis are not the conscience of America, as Dinesh implies. What an obscene idea.

Posted by: jewdog

DING DING DING!!!!!! Hellooooooo!!!!!

The jihadis are not the conscience of America, as Dinesh implies. What an obscene idea.

Posted by: jewdog

DING DING DING!!!!!! Hellooooooo!!!!!

MeanieMo: Re: "Islamophobia: The irrational fear of Islam or Muslims."

How about:

Islamophobia: "The rational, factual, knowledge of Islam or Muslims."

the 1930'3 are repeating themselves..........

Hitler only wanted back the old Germany territories.............

the cult of islam only wants to control islamic countries.

the only problem is that Hitler thought that the world was Germany territories..........

And he ended up losing even more German territories. so let's hope the same happens to islam. Kosovo MUST stay Serbian! Konstantinopoulos MUST return to Greece!

Where was American policy in Somalia, when nuns were raped and killed, and jihad was declared by the Islamic Council?

and the list goes on and on.....


I have another one. Was it obscene for America to fight the Barabary Coast pirates?

And where was America and its "obscenity" when the moslems murdered the Jews at Khaybar?!


Thank GOD for the internet. So these fallacious theories like Mr. deSousa's [He, does this guy own a Tequila factory? Maybe he's been imbibing a little too much] can be immediately debunked and deposited in the trash where they belong.

Rajesh_singh: "I hope you guys understand the extent of hatred they have for you."

Yep, we see it every day on TV, on blogs etc. and not to mention that every major conflict or threat of conflict on the face of the earth today is due to Islam. Even documentaries by the dhimmis CNN (Christiane Amanpour) and the CBC proved it yesterday loud and clear. Despite their dhimmi content in the interviews, the hateful message still seeped out loud and clear!

I hope you guys understand the extent of hatred they have for you.

Posted by: Rajesh_singh


Words to the wise. Please relate them to George Bush and those who can do somnething about this. We on Jihadwatch are here BECAUSE we do UNDERSTAND they have this hatred for us.

I am a German who lives in New York and I can tell you I've heard some pretty hair-rasing stuff from "Palestinian" grocery store owners and taxi drivers [when they discovered my nationality that is].

They all admire Adolf Hitler I can tell you that much. This involuntary research began in the early 80s when i moved here. They don't speak very highly of Blacks and South-of-Sahara Africans either. And this was years before I ever heard of "abed".

You should see their eyes glow when they say Adolf Hitler. Maybe he picked the wrong country after all.

I should do an undercover piece. LOL

"Conservatives have to cease blaming Islam for the behavior of the radical Muslims."


Stupid me - I should blame their behavior on myself and on my fellow Westerners. How could I possibly have been so blind?!

In other words Mr [Tequila Factory] DeSousa wants us all to turn into self-hating liberals.

"Conservatives have to cease blaming Islam for the behavior of the radical Muslims."


Stupid me - I should blame their behavior on myself and on my fellow Westerners. How could I possibly have been so blind?!

In other words Mr [Tequila Factory] DeSousa wants us all to turn into self-hating liberals.

Or worse yet, become a self-hating dhimmi.

MeanieMo: I should do an undercover piece. LOL

Please do so if you have the means and post it up on YouTube and other video sites. If I had the financial means, I would help you. We (Jihad Watchers and loyal American citizens) can and will post links to such a video all over the net. Best wishes!

Islam = Total submission to god

Is that submitting by force or by faith? What happens in the Middle East when you don’t submit to Islam why so many rules against those who don’t?

Muslim= One who submits to god

Is that balls and chain included? I submit to Christ the only way to the Father the creator as many do.

Allah= God (also used by arab speaking christians and jews)

Since when in Judaists or history historical pre BC History does Allah get mentioned? One verse in the Old Testament has a similar sounding word translating back to English and Jesus did not say Allah Allah on the cross since that was made up according to the Koran saying Jesus was not put on the cross.

Out of the 25 prohets mentioned in the Quran, the five most important in Islam are: Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad (pbuh).
Muslims, Christians, and Jews pray to the same god.

Islam tells a different story it has rewritten Biblical history basically and the events of these prophets are not the same as the Biblical accounts because the facts are changed hence the difference hence the why in the Koran changed the Torah the path of bloodline of Ishmael to suite and the Bible does warn that the Ishmael bloodline will cause future conflict. If we all believe in the same God then there should not be any nation that belongs to Islam and should really be open for Christianity too to spread the gospel there. This is the same attempted that Mohammad is said to have made when the moon God Allah the biggest pagan God movement (al- ilah) was used to gather his believers then changed his story along the way to fit into Judaism as Muslims today say ‘We also believe in Jesus’ well their version. This same tactic to fit in and divide when Necessary, maybe someone should read the Bible the prophets are different so are the Angels. Even then this was a plot to bring the abandoned bloodline of the Arabs as an army of assimilation if not camouflage and divide and make war with those not conforming to Islam at all means Necessary. A lot of copying was made including end time prophecy in the Koran but to suite the Arab point of view. Most of the Koran has copied the Bible and nothing really stands out that surpasses it if not brings back humanity to the tribal periods of laws that eventually were widened via other covenants.
I guess we all can pray to God even Buddhists and Sikhs but the path is different are they allowed to join in too? As being even further from what Jews are to Christians as the Jews are to Muslims it’s a completely different message and history and promises going on here:

"Total submission to god". And if you attack Islam profanely, you are attacking anybody who believes in the one true God, which would also include Christians and Jews.

Jesus of the Bible did say there would be other false prophets after him coming in his name should we take his advice and stick to his warnings? Different promises are made to the Bible believers to what the Muslims seek. We all might believe in a God but the promises and the bond to him is different so Christians stick to their promise as Muslims stick to theirs so we have separation and this is due to the Koran profoundly stating that the message from the Bible is wrong in order to establish it self. If not then Mohammad should have been a messenger to the Arabs and left the rest of mankind alone.
By Jesus Christ saying he is the only way is he attacking future Islam? Because the covenants are different the prophecies are different and the timelines from these books then you have to ask whom is this God speaking to? It seems since we all believe in GOD then the instruction to submit to Allah as you say we as Jews and Christians believe in the same God should in fact not submit to Allah as we submit to Christ teachings instead lead through the spirit, already there is a difference plus all the rituals and laws that go with it.


"Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewsih, the Christians, the converts; anyone who
1.)believes in God, and
2.)believes in the Hereafter, and
3.)leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
Sura [2:62,5:69]

Ok fine I will shall stick to Christ and spread his word to the Middle East deal done.
If that is so why believe in Allah and what Mohammad had to say God as which to believe in is the God the Father Son and Holy Spirit 3 in 1 acceptable now or just plain God that most human tribal instinct have as being ok now all of a sudden?
Also it all sounds diplomatic and democratic natured but is the Koran or Middle Eastern society really that tolerant or is this coming from an Westernised environment that has incorporated the Good elements left over in the Bible from what is left in current western society.

Go out meet a muslims, read the Quran and find out for yourself the truth about real muslims, and not criminals.

I will stick to Christ’s words and the Holy Spirit for now and take that interpretation, meeting Muslims is ok I live in a multi social society and met most internationals but even if you meet many religious people the religion it self has a to take a path in future history as every faith is waiting for the second coming of the messiah but only prophecy can distinguish the events of the future to prepare the final showdown. At some point all religions need to separate as only one can be true and some don’t have room for the wrong faith because there are consequences now and prophetic future.

Don't all pick on 'deathtocrusaders'
But irony is that the Koran does not say when to stop these Islamic infidel crusades on mankind, it's still open to continue till the end of time hence why Jihadwatch is keeping mankind updated. We know Moses and King David slaughtered many people/crossbreed demons but that is definitely written as a historical account and there is a definition to it that we should not be fighting an old battle as where Jihad just continues history.

So, what do we do with 1.3 billion people, starving to enter the 21st Century ?

Answer: Pull the troops out and Drop the Bomb !

Look who's talking, champ, how about those christians who threaten to bomb and kill all the muslims. Am I supposed love those who want to kill me?

Christianty has more blood on their hands than any other religion in this world. Those so called muslims terrorist haven't killed a fraction of how many the christian terrorists have killed.

Patriot_1/17 wrote:
"Where is American policy in Armenia, where Christians are being killed?"

Some people should think before they post. Armenia is a Christian country. No Christians are being killed there at all. Perhaps you were refering to Armenians being killed in Turkey. However, far more Armenians are being killed by right-wing nationalists in Russia these days.

A.I. Steamroller wrote:
"Actually, I have had the displeasure of meeting a number of muslims. Without exception, I have found them rude, arrogant, hostile, ignorant, inflammatory, insulting, and basically stupid. Oh, and their hygiene is absolutely terrible. Most of them smelled BAD."

Could anyone explain to me how this is not a pure example of disgusting, sickening, idiotic racism?

Goobs wrote:

"One more HUGE example of lefty-liberal crap.

The idiot that wrote this article is promoting ignorance to the already ignorant left."

The 'article' referred to here, by the avowedly unignorant 'Goobs', is the book by D'Souza (a conservative) that argues that right-wingers should ally themselves with Muslims, because they have a similar conservative agenda and a common enemy, i.e. lefty-liberal promoted 'moral decadence'. A case of 'righty-conservative' crap, therefore.

deathtocrusaders,

The truth is that if the Muslims had stayed away from the Christian areas and left the Christians alone in its history, then the Christians would not have gone on the defensive. It is learning to accept responsibility, period.

schmegel,

"The 'article' referred to here, by the avowedly unignorant 'Goobs', is the book by D'Souza (a conservative) that argues that right-wingers should ally themselves with Muslims, because they have a similar conservative agenda and a common enemy, i.e. lefty-liberal promoted 'moral decadence'. A case of 'righty-conservative' crap, therefore."

"The problem is not America"

Would you kindly please read the second statement above in explain why America in general should not be blamed for the problems some of its citizens. Thank-you.

schmegel,

"However, far more Armenians are being killed by right-wing nationalists in Russia these days."

Have not been hearing anything going on at all in the news lately about any such thing. Please explain this. Thank-you.

Who’s the idiotic one here? Someone who describes their encounters with muslims or someone who claims that muslims are a race unto themselves? You come here with zero knowledge and waste no time spewing your, you da racist, bla, bla, bla, garbage. Don’t waste our time, save your BS for your buddies in ignorance. I really crack up when some come here and stick up for the ultimate racists, the masters of tyranny by calling us racists. If you have trouble using your brain, maybe you could get a transplant.

You know, one of the things which really irritates me about the left is their inability to actually DEBATE stuff rationally. Time and again, I see the left via political forums hit with a book or article, and they simply say, "Oh, Tim Priest, well that guys a bigot", and so on.

One of the loony, dhimmi loving left on my Australian debate board has just done that very thing, when it was suggested he read "The Truth About Mo" to gain some perspective over Karen Armstrong's "Muhummad":

"Robert Spencer is not balanced, he threw his credence away when he started Dhimni watch, he approched the subject with a preconceived bias, it's like asking a KKK member for their "professional" opinion on the negroid race, or an Islamic fundamentalist for their "professional" opinion of the west. His book "politically incorrect guide to Islam" is a joke, its historical revisionism at its worst.

See this is the problem, you guys reckon that these idiots actually are legitimate sources of information, whereas in reality these idiots are out to fulfill their own political agendas, which in this case happens to be anti-Islam. And because of their obsessions with their preconceived biases, they tend to overlook reality.

When someone points this out, they immediately make up some bullshit about some left wing conspiracy in the academia. Left-wing being anyone who actually tried to look at the data without being hostile to it from the beginning.

Karen Armstrong on the other hand is someone who is not pro-islam, nor is she anti-islam like Spencer, thus she IS a balanced source. She is not an "apologist" just because she does not criticize Islam using utter bullshit, like Spencer does to support said criticism."

http://www.debaterelate.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=493

I note nothing of substance to attack Robert's work, just a broad brush wipeoff.

Incidentally, I haven't read "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" but I am reading "The Truth About Mahummad".

Fantastic read!

"Christianity has more blood on it's hands than any other religion in this world." -deathtocrusaders

Utter nonsense, yes the the later crusades *( the 1st being organized in 1095 as a definative response to some already 460 years of islamic militaristic encroachment,murder,rape and economic exploitation through jizya, of other nations,cultures and religions)* were able to temporarily rival their Muslim counterparts in degrees of ferociousness,but the degree to which islam's doctrines intentionally POLARIZE the world to this day,causing the majority of the world's Muslim's to live in economic,spiritual,and intellectural stagnation behind the rest of humanity, is the greatest ongoing crime in history. Even greater than the 60-70 million Hindus killed,or Armenians,Greeks, Zoaroastrians,Copts,and all others who through time have perished at the hands of islam because this war-mongering ideology,with it's legions of ready followers, willing to trade a chance at life for the lure of eternal sex, is still alive and festering to the ruin,one way or another, of everyone it touches. This "militant" Christianity of the crusades was nothing more than a "man" made creation to thwart the islamic hordes encroaching on Europe. How else does one reach the common European of that time and convince them it's in their best interest to die in a far away land for Byzantium?

Dear bigcatgirl,

As you asked, here are some links.

http://www.panarmenian.net/details/eng/print/?nid=660
(About the tendency of Russian Nationalists to murder Armenians.)

http://xeno.sova-center.ru/
(A Russian site documenting racist attacks in Russia - has a section in English.)

There has been a literally murderous racism sweeping Russia for the past few years, and more often than not Armenians have been the target.

'"The problem is not America"

Would you kindly please read the second statement above in explain why America in general should not be blamed for the problems some of its citizens. Thank-you. '

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I didn't say anything against that statement. I argued that D'Souza's argument (blaming American 'moral decadence' for the Jihad) was a case of right-wing conservative nonsense. (I am confused by the 'grammar' of your sentence though.)

tgusa wrote:
"If you have trouble using your brain, maybe you could get a transplant. "

Thank you for your kind medical recommendation. If I were given the brain of a right-wing American redneck then the most profound argument I would be capable of making against the global jihad would be - "Most of them smelled BAD." (posted by professor Steamroller, defended by doctor tgusa.)

Oh, that’s really clever. You don’t like what AI wrote so you first you whine then you respond by name calling. Hmmm, that sounds vaguely familiar. I would wager that even a right wing redneck brain would be an incredible improvement. Careful though, all that brain power may be hard to manage. So I am a redneck, now you are hurting my feelings, boo hoo. What is your solution, get rid of all those you think are rednecks, and then these peaceful fun loving non red neck jihadists will all hold hands and sing songs with you? Typical leftard mumbo jumbo. What is your point, do you have one? Enquiring minds want to know? Just because your teacher passed you on doesn’t mean you actually passed the course. BTW, AI has zero control over their hygienic practices, he reports we decide.







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