"84,000 Canadian Muslims think it's justifiable to behead our democratically elected prime minister and blow up the very symbol and centre of our democracy!"

Forget the 12%:

Every last Canadian muslim is a potential jihadi because

a true muslim is forbidden to be a friend to an infidel

a true muslim is required to be superior to the infidel

a true muslim is allowed to lie cheat and break agreements with infidels

So why allow these evil people into the West ?

It's the 100% we've got to worry about, eh Ibrahim ?

I'm wondering if there's anything a regular citizen can do, without having to infiltrate mosques, to find out if is buddy from Pakistan is actually a jihad sympathizer. It seems to me that the percentages are so high that there's a 15-20% chance a muslim you know might actually feel this way. Percentages are probably higher, because if they have any intelligence they wouldn't want to divulge their secrets. I work in the healthcare industry. I've worked in many small towns in the emergency rooms...EVERY small town I've worked in has at least one muslim family practice doctor. Heck, in the town I work in now, there's a Dr. Mohammed. This is a small town of about 20,000. Could it be that if the fit hits the shan and the tables are turned for a bit, that these guys would join in Jihad, just so they wouldn't get killed by their brethren?

d gene, I mentioned something similar to a Canadian friend, and his only response to me was that I shouldn't pass along such information unless I had done research.

Well, I responded to him that I had done research, that I had read the Koran (had he), and that I daily do research.

His response was, oh, ok you did research.

Dumb, dumb, dumb . . .

dgene,

What you're telling us does not contradict easily perceived facts.

But, hey as j.s. recently said here at JW: "In this moral surrender of the West to Islam -- you don't need suicide bombers! You don't need "violence." Just people with the backbones of a slinky."

"It's really negligible that 12 percent feel that the attacks would be justified," said Moghissi. "I don't think it even warrants attention."

1. The people who would be attacked are far from innocent. They (media and government) are the ones who gave us this mess. They deserve to pay for it.

2. As far as twelve percent being "negligible", listen to Amil Imani, a former Muslim from Iran:

".... small minorities can overwhelm the majority by use of coercion and deadly force. Islamists are notorious for their dedication to the use of force for achieving their aims. The Taliban were a very small minority in Afghanistan, the Islamists were a tiny faction in the 1979 Islamic Revolution of Iran. Both overwhelmed the masses and imposed their reign of terror. The terrorist Hamas is also a “minority” in number, yet it rules the Palestinian Territory. Hizbollah of Lebanon is a minority, yet it has taken the country to the verge of destruction."

3. That more than one half of one percent of Muslims feel beheading the Canadian prime minister and/or blowing up Parliament is justified should be a cause for concern for all civilized people. Peaceful Muslims, where are you? What are YOU doing to preserve the freedoms you were given in Canada? You're not innocent, either.

4. Twelve percent is neglible? That might be true only if the remaining eighty eight percent opposed them and were prepared to fight them. That has not yet been seen anywhere in the world of the religion of peace.

This is one Canadian who will tell politicians no more muslims immigration to Canada. they do not appreciate our values of freedoms, they will not intergrate into our society, so keep them out! what will it take for this message with all our bleating politicians especially socialists NDP,Liberal, to listen.. l guess heads will have to roll!

"Fully 12% of Muslim Canadians polled by Environics said the alleged terrorist plot -- that included kidnapping and beheading the prime minister and blowing up Parliament and the CBC -- was justified."

....AS FOR the remaining 88%...keep in mind, Muslims frequently lie....it is a mainstay of their "religion" which says it is ok to lie....I suspect the 12% figure is rather low if the truth were to be known...

Muslims hate the truth....

Last year I was blessed to be able to join a group of Christian men going to Canada to fish and to build a cabin on the grounds of a Christian camp. Late one nite in the camp's dining hall, I had engaged in conversation with several Canadian men who were Christian. Because the conversation was about religion and the world, I said that we were in a world wide struggle with Islam and had characterized it as WW3. In a couple of minutes they had scattered in all directions proclaiming we had to get up early in the morning.

Just a few weeks later the news broke about the Ontario 18. We happened to be in Ontario at the time.

I plan to return again this summer with copies of the Calgary Sun's article and look forward to seeing those same men and seeing if any light has dawned.

Lets translate that 12% into total muslim population.

That would be somewhere in he neighborhood of 150 million (give or take a few million) that openly admit that they have no problem with killing infidels.

Would that be enough to be concerned about?

Anyone drive by the Islamic Centre of York Region? I always stick my hand out the window and give it the finger, but that's not my point. The same jihadi-imam is building that mosque in Newmarket. With Saudi money, of course.

What are those wooden structures on the grounds of the "Society"? I NEED to know. It's bugging me. And when did it go up, this "society"? I've lived in York Region for more than 20 years, and I never noticed it until post-9/11.

Please, Harper, win this election. I've been asked to work on the campaign of two nominees for the Conservatives, but with the huge Arab presence in my gerrymandered riding, I'm thinking lost cause...

DUMB DUMB DHIMMI DUMB DUMB

"l guess heads will have to roll!"

Zena,

I'm never sure how to take such a statement anymore. We speak figuratively and in the context of defeating our opponents in an election, but I fear that too many Muslims speak literally and mean to kill us all unless we submit.

Let Canadians remember as well the NDP was considering a motion to call their soldiers terrorists instead of the 12%ers as a national platform.

"84,000 Canadians"

Add another zero -- that's more accurate.

Canadians are among the kindest, most tolerant people in the world, but our society is strangled by political correctness. We are so afraid of giving offense to anyone, of hurting anyone's feelings, that we are unable to be honest with each other and maybe even with ourselves.

I despise muslims and would gladly see every last one driven out of this beautiful country. On the other hand, I hate to feel that way about any group of people. Why do I feel guilty about my own intolerance ? We are right to be intolerant of any ideology and its proponents when they actively seek death and destruction in our homeland.

When I try to discuss the threat of islam with friends they think I am prejudiced and "racist", even thought I am far better informed than they are about the growing menace. Sadly, I think it will take some terrible act of violence within Canada, perhaps the called-for attack on our oil fields, to wake the country up.

Dear Good citizen of this world,
Don’t be troubled by Islam and Muslims. True Islam means peace and all you saying that it is fine in Islam to tell lies to non Muslims, mark me, I have refused to use the word infidel because in Islam an infidel has no religion or who believes in more than Allah(God) and remember the majority of Canadians are Christians- anyway the whole of the west.
If Muslims would be given an opening to be exposed to they religion the more, and are not pushed on the wall in their own countries, it is the only system that can promote peace on earth.
Islam believes in freedom of religion. It is the most tolerant religion and stresses the spread Islam using the best admired means that you can come across.
If a Muslim is a citizen of your country, you should be happy for, in times of being invaded by enemies, the quoran encourages him to defend his country to the top. Even if the majority are Christians so long as he belongs to that country.
Good citizens, try to be infirmed about anything your not satisfied with before you talk about it. True, we have people who have hijacked Islam in their less knowledge of it and because of their own interest, but Islam is the only system that can solve the problems the world is facing today.
Kirarira Issa
256 712 802048
Media for peace and religious tolerance org.

Keep your eyes peeled, Americans; 84,000 potential dhimmi head-loppers are on your doorstep, ready willing and able to do business further south, if you believe the press. That's more than all western troops combined, in the ME, isn't it?

mediaforpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp --

You are a typical Muslim who is lying by misrepresenting your religion. Islam does NOT tolerate other religions, and the proof is shown in the actions of radical Islam today!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read Robert's book, The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the Worlds Most Intolerant Religion; and then try to convince me that Islam is peaceful and tolerant.

It aint!!

Here is how you can help:
Organization setup to inform the "average folks" about islam

The United American Committe
http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/

Rallies West & East Cost
http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/rally.htm

Now we can understand why Canada will not re-authorise those Draconian Anti-Terrorists laws passed some 5-6 years ago.

Why bother looking for 84,000 people of one ethnic group who have no problem with killing politically correct Canadians? It is important to insure everyone is happy in Canada. So if killing people is what makes some happy. They should be respectfull to the Cultural and Religous differences they hold. Embrasing all the Diversity and mayhem that follows them.

These people have Civil Rights that need to be upheld. They have the right to tell the rest of Canada how to live their lives and their right to kill you if you refuse to do as they say. They have the right to tell you how much they hate your guts and what they plan to do about it. The Goverment in Canada has the obligation to use the Hate Crime Laws to prevent critics of their policys from voising objections because it is only based on blind hate for Muslims.

I can hear them now. a new Pledge

I plege aleagence, to the Flag of the Islamic Nation of Canada. and to the Republic, that no longer stands, Under Allah, With no Liberty or Justice at all.

Sorry, I may be a little confused.

Well if it's good enough for them, it must be good for us as well.

Nay, 80% is not good enough. The question posed also gives no indication to their loyalty. Sure, who wouldn’t like to live in Canada? But do they really care for the comfortable lifestyle granted them in Canada? Or preserving the institutions, laws, and equality that make such a lifestyle possible? Or does their faith provide them their own agenda, one that intends to collide with and cut through that which is Canada and its goals? Are they non-citizens? With whom will the 80% side when that 20% inevitably claim independence from Canada?

mediaforpeaceandrelgoustoleranceorganazation

hey you are talking to the wrong cowd here, we know your cult of death, and dont want it here. your cult has not been hijacked but those terrorists use the koran as their war manual.
You can treat your islam like a fruit salad, take out what you want, leave the bad stuff behind, does not work in the real world of islam, where terrorist s kill from the same twisted book you call the koran. your muhammud was a child rapist, murderous monster, and went on to demand genocide against all non muslims, you call infidels, karrurs. so if you want to be a muslim go back to your cesspoolstan. we dont want islam here!

Wait until these 80% get into power then they will all of a sudden be bashing people over the head and raping women as chatal.
Islamic peoples are savages in the sense that early American Indians were savages. They will say one thing in public and murder, rape and create anarchy when off in their midst.

I want to hear the media tape conversations undercover in Muslim groups after prayers and in their coffee houses....if they are pro Canuck then I will believe them. I will bet though that 80% will shrink to 8 percent when the turbans come off in private.

mediaforpea have you considered that it might be causing all the problems in the world, and that Christianity may be better to bring on world peace (if that's your goal)

The poll results are discussed on the following site:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam/muslim-survey.html

Actions speak louder than words.

All the hot air about Muslims being westernized or at least being willing to live alongside non-Muslims is belied by their actions.

People who want Sharia and Islamic courts to govern even one square block of a non-Muslim country are Exhibit A.

Read the comments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s13D4JwpJUY&mode=related&search

lahoriatorontowala (21 hours ago)
"72 virgin" rant is typical American ignorance. Just like your name, you are an 'ASS'.Your language definitely represents who you represent. World will watch when we will bring American empire on ground zero. Take it as a challenge. Its not an empty rhetoric from a Canadian. Just to let you know, we are soon going to cut your oil supply from Canada and Venezvella.

"84,000 Canadian Muslims think it's justifiable to behead our democratically elected prime minister and blow up the very symbol and centre of our democracy!"

That's a heck of a sign that Muslims are happy in Canada. If you took off at least two zeroes, I might agree. 84,000 is not acceptable. It suggests large communities of Muslims are willing to destroy Canada in order to make it more like them. That's acculturation?

Saying that they're happier in Canada than in Western Europe (how the CBC tried to rationalize the numbers) isn't saying much. You still have tens of thousands who think murder and treason are acceptable forms of behavior for Muslims to pursue in a country which has welcomed them.

But since many of the Muslims would be practicing taqiyya to protect -- i.e. promote -- the faith, one can be sure that the fiture 12% is the absolute minimum. Any Muslim who is quite truthful, and who responds to the question "what, according to the tenets of Islam," would the duty of Jihad justify for Muslims living in an Infidel nation-state" would be compelled to give answers even more terrifying than the ones already received.

When there are cases of mad-cow disease, even a single case, tens of millions of cattle are quarantined, and not let into this or that country -- including Canada, including the United States -- for fear of possible contaminiation, leading to the deaths, based on the experience of past outbreaks, of one, or two, or possibly a half-dozen people.

Yet the immimgration policies in the Western world are set by those who apparently do not think that allowing into our lands people who, out of every 100, will contain, at a minimum, soe 15 or 20 or possibly 50 (I would go much higher) in justifying murder of Infidels, and all of whom, if they remain Muslims, are themselves potentially -- if they "get religion" in a truly observant and fanatical way, as has observably happened with many second and third-generation Muslims in Great Britain and Germany -- among that 20 or that 40 or that 50 out of every hundred.

Immigration laws are not some kind of amusing demonstration of our willingness to show our "tolerance" and our general sentimentalized "faith in humanity." Visas and green cards are not just so much confetti to be tossed out to the crowd of those who seem, outwardly, to be so undangerous, so outwardly sympathetic (past masters at deception, oozing the oily charms that one finds in the souk-sellers).

Immigration laws should reflect above all concern to maintain the physical security of the indigenous Infidels in Infidel nation-states, and along with it, their hard-won and long-developing legal and political institutions, and social arrangements and emphasis on individual rights, and certainly not on the fear-inducing rules that Islam, and its enforcers, offer to ensure that Islam, as a way of a Complete System of Regulation, and Total Explanation of the Universe, is permanently accepted by those born into the Islam and forced to remain with it, under pain of severe punishment, including death.

Those who find nothing wrong with quarantiniing cattle to prevent a rise in the likelihood of Mad Cow Disease, the kind that infects a handful of people, should ask what the effect is on Infidels, and on their physical safety, and on the likelihood of attacks by Muslims on individuals, or of plots by Muslim groups to engage in Jihad against symbols of the Infidel society around them, or against major targets (schools, churches and synagogues, hotels where certain meetings are held, government office buildings, nuclear reactors, military installations, ports, airports, train stations, subways, bus stations, and so on).

It is obvious where the threat to our lives is larger. But the same idiotic immigration policy, unchallenged, is apparently to continue -- lest we appear to be "anti-Islam" in the same way that not continuing the "Palestinian" Jihadists, Slow and Fast, has been ludicrously described as an "economic boycott" or even an "economic blockade."

"It's really negligible that 12 percent feel that the attacks would be justified," said Moghissi. "I don't think it even warrants attention."

Okay - 12% think it's justifiable blowing up the parliament and beheading the president.
Is that the radical ones?
What about the more moderates - those, f.e who would only justify beheading the president and refraining from blowing up the parliament or viceversa.
Or those who'donly consider justifiable to blow up just the next town hall and behead the local governor?
Just consider it. 12% declaring justifiable the utmost atrocity and treason one can imagine. How much more will justify atrocities and treason on a more "moderate" level?
But let's trust the local imam - it's negligible -
for muslim standards??
I also wonder if Moghissi will also consider it negligible if the Canadian authorities should start to kick out of Canada that very 12% of the muslim community ..

84,000 Muslims approximately in Canada that approve extremism. As so many have said that is probably a low figure. How many of those group live in large urban centers? How many on the east coast, central areas, western provinces, or the west coast? In the GTA (greater Toronto area) the mosques are going up faster then Jehovah Witness churches. Every where you turn you see more and more females wearing the hijab, niqab, and chador. In some job industries the muslim is the dominate percentage. I hear stories from all kinds of people, and I witness actions at close hand. I am nervous in this area, and times I can be right frightened by this viper we have taken to our breast.

What can I do? I try educating my fellow man, and hope I don't get brushed off as a skinhead/kkk moron. But the more I look, listen and talk I am thinking it's time to head north and start bunkering down. I am tired of being a minority in my own country. Tired of trying to make myself understood in simple communications. Tired of being put down for what I am and look like. I can't sleep yet. There's too much work to do, and I must remain vigilant

Yep, looks tolerant to me.
http://www.jewschool.com/waytomecca1.jpg

Besides outright lying to pollsters about their true beliefs and being able to justify it by Islam, Muslims also have a completely alternate definition of a words we take as commonplaces.
Like peace. They are not lying when they say Islam is a religion of peace, they just mean something very different by it.

Mediaforpeace, is this true or not true?:
"In Islam peace requires that non-Muslims
submit to the call of Islam either by converting or by accepting the status or religious minority (dhimmi)and paying the imposed poll-tax (jizya).
World peace, the final stage of the da'wa (call) is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam.

"Muslims believe that expansion through war is not aggression but a fulfillment of the Qur'anic command to spread Islam as a way to peace. The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb) but futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam.

"Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers,
nevertheless takes place in a state of war...Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the da'wa(call) are blamed for this state of war, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them...Only when Muslim power is weak is "temporary truce" (hudna) allowed (Islamic jurists vary on the definition of temporary)."
--Bassam Tibi, War and Peace in Islam

Media for peace and religious tolerance org.

My religion teaches love, compassion, and understanding for his fellow man, yours preaches to kill me because I am an infidel.
My religion teaches that man has free will, your religion dictates and demands worship to one only.
My religion teaches that one should not tell a lie, yours actively encourages people to tell lies.
My religion believes in redemption, and yours? You kill apostates….
Go peddle your “True Islam means peace” BS somewhere else…..

"Keep your eyes peeled, Americans; 84,000 potential dhimmi head-loppers are on your doorstep, ready willing and able to do business further south"

Pull your head out of your ass.

There are more 84K willing head-loppers in Dearbornistan, MI alone.

We had Jihadi murder act every 2-3 months.

While FBI, CIA, Jorge Bush, DemoRats, RepubliRats tell us there was no terr act since 9/11.

You cannot believe any of them. Current political elite will get you killed.

Lets quarantine all with Mad-Mo disease as we do Mad-Cow. Or should I say Mad-Pig disease.

Mad-Mo is the same as Mad-Cow. It is an insidious thought bacterium or virus that inflicts the brain to the point that you cant function as normal people do.

It works its "magic" inside until enough damage is done to make the inflicted stumble and shake. The brain becomes altered to the point it is visible on MRI scans just like a meth user's brain looks like the brain of a paranoid schizophrenic.

This virus (Islamic indoctrination) works from the INSIDE out, manifesting in the inexplicable acts of violence that make no sense to the healthy brained.

Polls? we don't need polls to tell us what the Mohammedans in our midst are about.

In light of that other poll by BBC, that is getting all the attention, may I suggest that Canadians start writing letters to their newspaper pointing out this important news. (I already have, though I have serious doubt that I will get published this time.)

And what is Canadian Human Rights doing about this as 12% of Muslims polled agree that beheading is okay are they going to demand a education campain that beheading is not consistent with democratic ideals well who will call the Human Rights agency to task let them do something cleary such hatred for our national symbols is not to be held unaccountable

The Koran, a "holy book" or a hate literature? This Canadian Coalition article has it pegged: a good read.

http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/21320.shtml

All Canadians need to take the published poll results and press the politicians on the issue. I mean 840 jihadists are critically way too many for me. Write letters, force answers on what is going to be done about some 84000 who want to murder Canadians. It is time. This is serious sh@@.

If a Islamic organization stated it wanted to bring in 84000 jihadists, the public outcry would be overwhelming, but now that they are here.......no one cares? What's the difference?

I would like write a letter to politicians but I am concerned my wording would not be the very best, nor effective enough. We need to get more attention than ridicule. Things have to be put factually and eloquently.

Any volunteers with excellent writinbg skills out there?

Scary stuff...

Stalinist Canada begins Christian purges: Domination of church by state

http://catholiccitizens.org/press/pressview.asp?c=38228

Of course, the secular elite will probably only apply this to Christians as per course...

I'm Canadian. I'm scared. Because I can see the danger coming very fast. And it will hurt. A lot. A whole lot of Canadians will be killed. Beheaded. Raped. Forced to convert or pay or be killed. I ask myself why was I born: only to be forced to one day be forced to convert to islam or be killed? Is that what life on this bloody heart is all about? Converting to islam? Is there another god than this apologist of all violence, Allah? My god is Jesus but it doesn't seems he hears me. It seems only muslims are protected by god. I have a hard time enjoying life because of these people. They are destroying us slowly but surely. What will the west look like in 10-20-30 years? I don't dare to think about it, because muslims will be predominant in every country, especially Canada. I will live like a dhimmi and pay, because I will never convert to the religion of DEATH! Life on this earth is a nightmare. This is a muslim earth. It will get worse my friends, be sure of it, and it's impossible to reverse it. Be prepared to face what christian and jewish peoples have faced for the last 1400 years: violence, segregation, rapes, beheadings, humiliation, etc, etc. Nothing can be done to reverse the giant of Islam. Nothing.

Thereligionofdeath, don't give up. Because you know the truth, there is one more person on this earth who does, and that is a positive.

Stand with us! and fight!

Thereligionofdeath --

Sounds like you are a Christian -- well -- so am I. Things are going to get worse because Jesus said they would before He returns; but take heart, because Jesus will restore this earth to perfect peace by defeating satan upon His return.

Islam is satans tool, and Islam is the religion of the devil. And remember, this life is not where things end, because we have eternity with Christ to look forward to.

thereligionofdeath:
“Be strong and of good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed.”

"Islam believes in freedom of religion."

....This is a lie....Go to any Muslim led country and try to find any other religion that is allowed to practice their religion....or is that religion is even where it once was....

....other religions are discriminated against and for the most part...rubbed out....

Thereligionofdeath

HA! HA! HA!

You sound like a non-citizen reiterating his dreams. Have faith in your faith! Man. And wise up and do something about your dislikes.

@Thereligionofdeath

Why are you thinking of abandoning your faith? Is it because things seem too difficult? Is it ecause you lack understanding? This is where faith comes in.

Do not abandon your faith. Instead, see these difficult times as the unfolding of Biblical prophecies.

God does everything for a reason.

The cancer of Islam will strengthen the Body of Christ.

Are we good Christians?

Is a country that annually aborts over a million tender baby Jesus (1,000,000 crucifixions!!!) Christian enough?

I think not!

@Thereligionofdeath

Although we see the Muslim influx to the West as a sinister plot, bear in mind that most of those who come to the West come for a better life. It will take time, but assimilation will occur. That is what the imams are afraid of. But it will happen anyway. Be strong.