DNC's imam goes wild

Pass the popcorn . . .this one is highly entertaining. Chuckle.

This is why Spencer's idea of a questionnaire is so powerful. It exposes this reaction and shows who the real bigots are.

Ask them about Christians and Jews being cleansed in Turkey is another way to bring out their inner bigot.

Turkey: Christian Armenian Genocide Sources

Trying to reason with most democrates, most republicans, all socialists, all islamics is a waste of energy and time.

In the end, they will accuse you of being a hate monger and will tell you that you are insane (they can't call you stupid after all).

The best part, they do all the insulting and then play the victim card.

This leftist immam fits with the dnc.

Hopefully, Hannity learned something for his trouble.

Yes let's follow Jesus who said:

"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! ...Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law." Matt 10:34

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Luke 12:49

Yes we are against the prophet Mohammed and we are against the Qur'an --and Jesus is NOT a prophet --He is God!

We are divided indeed!!

When he accuses Hannity of being "paid" he means by the "Zionists". His belief-system makes him immune from logical reasoning and plain speaking. He could be respected if he told Hannity, "You are a paid Zionist agent". Instead, he speaks in cowardly code.

He treats his belief-system as if it is a mathematical equation (1 + 1 = 2) and he thinks he should not to be questioned re his beliefs. Hannity is lucky he only hung-up on Hannity. Under the right circumstances (back in Iraq, e.g.) he would have Hannity killed. I have no doubt of it.

I commend Hannity for not giving up, he keeps hammering home the questions. BUT Hannity is still pretty clueless about Islam in general. First of all he doesn't realize the begining of this prayer is actually calling for everyone's conversion to Islam, also the "occupiers" this imam refers to is more than likely Israel not the US (maybe he was talking about US and Israel). As entertaining as it was to listen to this (I heard it live on Friday) it was equally painful to hear the cluelessness of Hannity. The 1 man on conservative radio that I would love to have interview these slaves of Allah is Neal Boortz, hes much more informed about the jihad and about Islam in general than is Hannity. At any rate, way to go Sean... don't ever let this terrorist supporting imam off the hook, our future as a Nation depends on exposing these "moderate muslims" for what they really are, Islamic supremesists.

A typical muslim reaction to every challenge: Can't answer the question? No problem! Just become hysterical and threatening!

Newsflash to Muslims: Just as people can love, people can also hate. In the full spectrum of human emotions and feelings, people ARE ALLOWED TO HATE if they so desire!

I do hate and despise male Muslims. Why? Reasons: Honor Killings of females, FGM of females, forced child/adolescent marriages of females, forced pregnancies of females, male's right to polygamy (Mohammed-sanctioned up to 4 wives), divorce and child custody laws in which the male has ALL the rights, spurned male Muslim suitors throwing acid on females and/or setting them on fire and paying no consequences for these hideous crimes, ditto rape - no consequences as the female is always blamed and often stoned though she's the victim. In Muslim "honor ethic" culture the female is ALWAYS blamed. Concerning clothes, forced to "cover up" in black sheets, veils, scarfs, niqabs, hijabs etc while the male enjoys complete sartorial freedom. If she doesn't cover, males consider her prey and can attack/rape her on the street with utter and complete impunity. Such an atrocious event occurred recently on the streets of Cairo during the "Eid" festival in January. I read about it in "The Middle East Times" (metimes.com)

Yes, I hate the above barbarities perpetuated against Muslim females by Muslim males on a constant and routine basis. So, hate you, Al-Husainy, you and your enormously perverted, twisted, ultra-patriarchal/misogynist "culture" and I hope you read this! By inviting you to give the prayer, the Dems are condoning this outrageous Muslim male violence against Muslim females.

P.S. Both God and Jesus (see final paragraph of Al-Husainy rant) are PROUD of me for fighting against you intolerant, sociopathic barbarians.

See ya, Al!

When confronted with unavoidable truth and reality - the imam's behavior and tactics are indistinguishable from the average rabid leftist -avoid answering, change the subject, obfuscate, attack, claim "victimhood" of "racism, (imagined) "hatred" (all of which are self-projections on to others of ones own deepest beliefs), revision of facts and history -anything but a simple honest answer.

Does it do any good at all to have people like the imam on talk shows? They are incapable of any reasonable conversation; they either talk in circles or speak in such archaic language that even people who want to support them must cringe. How many times did that dunce mention peace? He certainly knows all about peace...since he is such a big time supporter of one of the world's leading organizations in promoting peace..Hizballah.

Oh for heaven's sake - send this link to Hillary and Obama! This is what the Dimmicrats are sucking up to!

Oh for heaven's sake - send this link to Hillary and Obama! This is what the Dimmicrats are sucking up to!

Posted by: The Goobs at February 11, 2007 10:28 AM

Of course they are! The Dhimmicrats and the Mo's share the same brain! Both hate democracy, both hate freedom.

As an American, born and raised. If I was on the air and preached that all people who worshipped allah, pig poo upon him. Should be subjected to my wishes, I would be branded a hate mongerier. How much longer will these imams be left to spew forth their garbage. At least half of America gets it.

"Cheeky humans" is better, the other sounds deranged.

Folks like Al-Hussainy are God's gift because they are simply stupid and show Islam is a dreadful light. Others are smoother and more dangerous.

What's important, too, is the Democrats perceive a need to stand by this man. It is unfortunate that America's majority party is of a mindset (as are many Republicans) that Islam is worth not fear, but respect.

This radio broadcast should be heard widely.

Al-Husainy must have been shocked that Sean Hannity was not as stupid as Dhimmi Colmes. So he flipped. Another nail in the coffin of the slow jihadists. Boo yeah!

Slightly OT:

I posted this video before but I think it's appropriate to post this video again. I hope Robert posts it on this site. More taqiyya in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJweJ02Ar0c

Projection at work.

"At least half of America gets it".-AMartinez

You are right. Times are changing and people see right through this crap. A few years ago few people would have seen through his "prayer". Now folks hear the coded language. People are seeing that this "religion" has nothing to do with the universal practice of the Golden Rule. It's different than all the other religions. It must dominate and "convert" or exploit those who resist this supremacist rationalization for deception and exploitation of unbelievers. It's not Jesus' condemnation of all lies and hypocrisy-that's for sure. Islam is unique in what it permits that the other religions condemn.

One of the signs of being a faithful Christian or Jew is the opportunity to ask the needed, tough questions. Good for Sean Hannity.

If this iman is so supportive of Jesus, he would do well to check out Luke 18:9-14 about the pharisee and the tax colector. It would be an eye-opener.

"This is an extraordinarily common reaction, and is akin to the predictable response that always follows any discussion of the elements of Islam"

For those who wish to negotiate with islamics, this is how it will be. Can you imagine negotiating peace with the likes of this?

One can clearly understand why there is no peace in the ME and won't be either.

I listened to this as it was happening. This Imam had a melt down and ended up hanging up on Hannity. On the same point, Debbie Schlussel and Robert deserve the credit for shining the light on this Imam clown.

In the end, just knowing that millions of people heard this dancing radical Muslim preacher blow a gasket all across the radio waves is good exposure of the R.O.P.

Robert:

I don't like either of those slogans. The first one, "Cheeky Humans" is too obscure a reference. People will just read it and say, "Huh?" The second one, "A minority of people burning the world", is too vague and too metaphorical. What minority of people? Burning the world? Aren't they suicide bombing, beheading, etc.. Burning the world has nice apocalyptic overtones but it is not specific enough. Also, if you put that minority slogan on the t-shirt, people might think that it was the people at Jihadwatch who were the minority burning the world.

bigcatgirl13106 said:

If this iman is so supportive of Jesus, he would do well to check out Luke 18:9-14 about the pharisee and the tax colector. It would be an eye-opener.

Just so you know, this imam is not supportive of the Jesus that Christians know, he is speaking of the "muslim" Jesus. Muslims don't view Jesus as the son of God, they see him as a muslim prophet (even though islam didn't exist for another 600+ years). In their minds Abraham, Moses, Jesus et al were all muslim prophets (just another example of revising history to suit their twisted death cult they call a religion). Don't ever forget that when a muslim speaks of Jesus, they are not speaking about your Jesus.

wrathofasma brought up Taqiyya. Here's the Wikepedia entry in part: Taqiyya (التقية - 'fear, guard against')[1] is the dispensation allowing believers to conceal their faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion. It is based on Qur'an verses 3:28 and 16:106 as well as hadith, tafsir literature, and juridical commentaries.

What gets me is that Taqiyya allows Muslims to lie to protect themsleves and promote the faith. Imam Al-Husainy is obviously lieing in is conversation with Hannity. But that's the point, 'he's obviously lieing'. As just one of many Muslims I've seen on tv, they are obviously lieing. Why are they so bad at lieing.

Hell, Scott Peterson and OJ are far better liars. Why aren't these Muslim spokesmen better liars?

Robert:

I don't like either of those slogans. The first one, "Cheeky Humans" is too obscure a reference. People will just read it and say, "Huh?" The second one, "A minority of people burning the world", is too vague and too metaphorical. What minority of people? Burning the world? Aren't they suicide bombing, beheading, etc.. Burning the world has nice apocalyptic overtones but it is not specific enough. Also, if you put that minority slogan on the t-shirt, people might think that it was the people at Jihadwatch who were the minority burning the world.

I hope thousands of Americans heard this interview and the one on TV with H&C.

This screaming Imam exposes Islam for what it is.

If he were interested in mending public opinion, would he have conducted himself in this manner?

He accuses Hannity of breaking the law? what law? Could it be the law of Islam? Certainly not any US Law. It is notable, he couldn't hold himself for 1 minute during the interview without playing the discrimination card.

This Imam, I presume, represents thousands of American muslims whthin his area of infulence. So, one must ask, if he is that nutty, what are his followers being taught? and what do they believe? That any question, direct and simple, from Americans is an attack on Islam? Is that the law Hannity broke?

WrathofAsma (great nic) - that video is very instructive.

The video is by a blogger using the nic Joseph Nadir. At his blog, he puts the video in context (of particular interest to Hugh):

The event had been advertised as a presentation about Islam followed by a Q&A session for non-Muslims.

This was a good opportunity to put into practice some of Fitzgerald’s tips about arming yourself with knowledge and asking pointed questions meant to shed clarity on the Islamic worldview.

In light of this opportunity I decided to go to the event and ask the first three of the following questions (I had printed all 5 and pasted them to my video camera so I would not forget them in the heat of the moment):

* We hear from the MSM and Muslim apologists that Islam is “the RoP” yet around the world Muslims commit abominable acts such as sawing people’s heads of and murdering women and children in the name of Islam, why are moderate Muslims not more successful at refuting these terrorists on Islamic grounds?
* Why do Muslims revere Mohamed in light of his immoral acts described in the Koran and Hadiths, such as consummating his marriage with Aisha his 9 year old wife and ruling by the sword? Why he is called in the Koran “uswa hasana” and in Islamic tradition “al-insan al-kamil“?
* How do we know you are not using the Islamically sanctioned deception techniques of takiyya (concealment) and kitman (mental reservation) on the audience?
* Why are so many people who leave Islam sentenced to death?
* Why do Muslims consider Christians and Jews second class citizens as defined by the term “dhimmi”?
* Why have Muslim leaders not issued a fatwa against bin Laden for the 9/11 terrorist attacks or his declaration of war on us? Can you [Muslim presenters] give me your word that you will ask them to issue one against Osama bin Laden?

Nadir also provided handouts at that meeting -

handout consisted of an article on Jihadism and the Koran, a chart comparing Christian and Islamic doctrine, and chart comparing Jesus and Mohamed.

I hope thousands of Americans heard this interview and the one on TV with H&C.

This screaming Imam exposes Islam for what it is.

If he were interested in mending public opinion, would he have conducted himself in this manner?

He accuses Hannity of breaking the law? what law? Could it be the law of Islam? Certainly not any US Law. It is notable, he couldn't hold himself for 1 minute during the interview without playing the discrimination card.

This Imam, I presume, represents thousands of American muslims whthin his area of infulence. So, one must ask, if he is that nutty, what are his followers being taught? and what do they believe? That any question, direct and simple, from Americans is an attack on Islam? Is that the law Hannity broke?

This melt down is absolutely hilarious and revealing! It's like popping an inflated balloon. The pin-prick being mention of Iran's Prez as antisemite, and Hezzbollah as a terrorist organization.

I have read in the psychological literature that someone who is in deep, deep denial -- if you expose "the truth" -- rage (a dangerous rage) is often the response (sometimes followed by a psychotic break with reality).

Anyway, the projection going on was amazing -- everything the Imam claimed of the radio host, the Imam himself apeared guilty of. What a PR nightmare for the Democrats! (As bad as any Dean Scream)!

I don't usually have the patience to sit through H&C too much Kumbayah from the Colmes side. But this was a hoot.

Please consider changing the title to:
DNC Immam Goes Ape

I think it's fitting.
It is so humiliating to think these leaders assume that no one will see throught this crap.

However, the part I liked the best was when Colmes tried in his liberal way to ask the same questions. The look on his face is what I would expect him to have if Hillay Clinton came an the show and calmly removed her blouse and bra. Priceless, everything else is Mastercard.

Aunt Bea

Speaking of two-faced weasels like Ibrahim Hooper and his ilk at CAIR , below is a "Victory" dinner hosted by CAIR-Canada for the alleged terrorist Maher Arar .
If ever their was proof for the FBI and the Democrats to keep Mr.Arar and his wife on the Watch-List for their links to Jihadist and the 9/11 hijackers, it's this new admission by CAIR that they backed the Sunni Muslim and his Palestinian wife who is pro Sharia-law .
CAIR's own Dr.Sheema Khan was at the Inquiry into islamophobia and gave evidence to re-enforce CAIR's assertions that Mr.Arar is innocent and a victim of Racism and Islamophobia , but now we see that CAIR stands to gain from Arar's law Suit because the RCMP has been smeared by Arar and won't dare monitor his financial donations to Saudi friendly Org.'s like CAIR.

* Note how CAIR allerted the Jihadists that they will be checked at the door by Security forces , either they are telling Al-Qaeda to back off for now or warning them to hide the C4 belt by dressing in a Burka or wearing a full Nijab to cover their face to get into a Government building.

The USA should increase border Security because CAIR has made it clear they want Canada as a Jihadists base to launch attacks into the USA and then use the dual-citizenship to Sue Canada for any harm that's self inflicted.
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*Dinner to Honour Maher Arar and Monia Mazigh*

Dateline: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:44 pm
- Please note all tickets for the event have been sold out -

(Ottawa, Canada – Jan 23, 2006) You are cordially invited to a February 14th dinner on Parliament Hill, in honour of Maher Arar and Monia Mazigh, organized by the Canadian Muslim Network, a network of organizations from across the country. The event is sponsored by a number of groups, including the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-CAN).

The dinner will recognize the contributions of a handful of journalists, activists, lawyers and MP’s, who were instrumental in affecting real change in Maher and Monia’s ordeal. Additionally, members from Muslim communities across Canada will be present at the event.

The February 14 dinner will mark the inauguration and establishment of the Arar-Mazigh Scholarship, offered through the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law. Proceeds from the dinner will go towards the scholarship, and will be awarded to students making significant contributions in the fields of human rights and civil liberties.

The dinner presents an opportunity to recognize Maher Arar and Monia Mazigh’s struggle and celebrate their success. All are invited to attend and show their support.

EVENT DETAILS

Wed, Feb 14
6:00pm (Guests are asked to check in at 5:30pm for security)

Parliament Hill
West Block
Rm 200

Tickets: $100 per person
A portion of the ticket's cost will go towards the establishment of the scholarship. Tax receipts will be issued for the amount.

For tickets or information on the scholarship please contact arar_mazigh_scholarship@yahoo.ca
Anyone wishing to contribute to the Arar-Mazigh Scholarship can make checks out to "University of Ottawa, Arar-Mazigh Scholarship." Checks can be mailed to:

Dr Tyseer Aboulnasr
School of Information Technology and Engineering
University of Ottawa
800 King Edward Avenue
Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5
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Check out this News story and tell me this isn't linked to the CAIR smear campaign to attack the West, this Ottawa professor stands to gain from the Arar Scholarship and CAIR is fund raising in Canada to promote a Saudi-Whahabbi Sharia law Islam right under our noses.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070209/afghan_abuse_070209/20070209/

Plus, a Muslim MP now wants to weaken Canada's
anti-Terrorism Laws by voting this week to stop the "Preventative" arrests build into the provisions to stop Al-Qaeda before they slaughter canadian civilians.

Sorry for the multiple posts, all. My computer is a P.O.S. model, and doesn't always cooperate.

Debbie Schlussel discusses this Imam with Michael Reagan, who points out the discrepancy between what the Dems in that meeting understood the Imam to mean when he mentioned Abraham, Moses and Jesus, vs. the Islamic context in which he referenced them. Needless to say, Sean Hannity showed himself up as a total fraud in this episode, and is totally worthless as far as the Jihad goes.

One interesting thing that Debbie mentioned was that this Imam was aligned to not only Khomenei, but Arafat, and that Sunni and Shia would temporarily set aside their differences until such time that they could really take over the world, at which stage they'd sort things out later. Given the strategy that has been advocated here to promote Shia-Sunni conflict, how would that be promoted to the Muslims over the Jihad against us?

I always thought Al-Husainy is a clown. The latest posting confirms it.

Guess who takes clowns seriously?... the underaged (underdeveloped)!...

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Luke 12:49"

IF The Man ever said it - it was evocative of a separate ideology.I don't think he ever said it

IMO - this phrase is so unlike the rest of The Teachings of Yeshua - that I think it was struck in there by the later church.

Muslim Rave Party Sensation

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave

I don't like those slogans, either. The "cheeky" one is way too obscure. I had to read the article linked to get it. The "minority burning" isn't goo, either. It doesn't make sense - it sounds like we at JW are the ones "burning the world."

How about simply "Jihad Watch: Watching the Jihadists"

Everyone will get that one!

Sorry - not "goo" ! but "good" in my second sentence.

Not the least of the problems with the plans of some in Europe to pay for special classes to "integrate" Muslims, is that such "integration" will fail to achieve the goal set by these Infidel governments, but will inadvertently provide more Muslims with the linguistic and cultural tools to make their case more cleverly and therefore much more dangerously.

This particular imam is a splendid example of exactly what one needs to see more of -- and what those interviewers who, merely by demanding straight answers instead of taqiyya-and-tu-quoque (which google), can so easily provoke in these Muslim spokesman.

Far far more useful, and better for the cause, than the slippery, hissing, smiling, plausible, clever, presentable (liquid brown eyes, slight smile, soft voice -- the works), endlessly mendaciloquent Tariq Ramadan.

We liberate Iraq so that ungrateful jerks like this guy can come here and denounce us.
Now who's worse, the naive Republicans who've squandered all that blood and money on Iraq or the naive Democrats who host Sheikh Flake?

Who is Hannity?

This melt down is absolutely hilarious and revealing! It's like popping an inflated balloon. The pin-prick being mention of Iran's Prez as antisemite, and Hezzbollah as a terrorist organization.

I have read in the psychological literature that someone who is in deep, deep denial -- if you expose "the truth" -- rage (a dangerous rage) is often the response (sometimes followed by a psychotic break with reality).

Anyway, the projection going on was amazing -- everything the Imam claimed of the radio host, the Imam himself apeared guilty of. What a PR nightmare for the Democrats! (As bad as any Dean Scream)!

Who is Hannity?

The only worry I have about this recording is that it's so funny lots of people might think it's a spoof.

Questioner: Mr. Al-Husainy, does 2+2 = 4...yes or no?

Al-Husainy: Thank you for asking that question and allowing me the opportunity to answer it. Now let me get to the basics of the question to frame it in its proper context so as not to inject any unnecessary confusion about the validity of the answer...

Questioner: Excuse me for interrupting, but could you just answer, "yes", or "no".

Al-Husainy: Don't disrespect me! Don't treat me like a child. Please let me answer. I was very patient with you while listening to your question and now I only ask that you extend to me the same courtesy to allow me to answer it. I believe it is essential to our peace and harmony to have these questions posed and to be able to answer them in the most comprehensive and intelligent way without the hate-mongering and bias that is so common in today's society.

Questioner: I'm short on time...is it "yes" or "no"...does 2+2=4?

Al-Husainy: Well let me first say that in order to understand fully the implications of this question, we must consider the historical background of mathematics and know that the Arabs invented algebra and the numeral, "0"...

Questioner: Please, yes or no, does 2+2=4?

Al-Husainy: You're not letting me give the answer, you keep interrupting, you're showing me disrespect by your childish attitude towards me, now please let me answer your question about the sum of 2+2; as everybody knows, Islam has a rich history of advocating the use of mathematics and I'm sure Adam, Moses, and Jesus would be just as proud to answer this question as I am. Now, after duly analyzing the components of this question, I am compelled to give the most rightious answer allowable to me as a practicing Muslim in accordance to the great teachings of our founder and final prophet, Muhammad, who preached dignity and harmony between all peoples and between all numerals of the base 10 system as well...

Questioner: Thank-you for wasting my time, goodnight.

Stick a pin in that blowhard dnc imam and let all the hot air out.

"the most used word then a muslim feels inferior " you are humiliating me"".
as far as Hannity, you got to cut some slack with him, as you see he was raised a very pious RC, and thought in the PC mode that all religions are to be respected, blah blah..
Hannity does recognize that there are some evil islmaist, you know the minority, sarcasm off. He has to make that last leap to realizing, like l I did, that is's islam you fool..
l read one post of Roberts that l think needs to be hammered to all in the PC crowd many times over, is that "Islam " is not a true religion, that is is more polictical force that wants to dominate the world. when you stick in more about that there is no separation os State or Church (mosque) within islam, that it contols all daily life, ie Sharia law, l think people can then take the last leap into realizing that islam is like a facist cult. When people realize its not really a typical religion, then they can better dissect it, and find it not a religion at all, and able to
separate their protections status as a religion.
islam hides under the "western protection" as a religion, if we can keep hammering away its non separation etc, it will wake up the non muslim world.

It's a question of sexism, zena, not religion

Xero G - LOL!

Sorry Mr. Spencer but neither slogan makes much sense, especially the second one and that's to someone who is already very familiar with this site. I'm still a fan of "Global Jihad: The Real Inconvenient Truth" for the front and "Nobody's Dhimmi" for the back. To me those are slightly mysterious, invite curiosity, they're not too confrontational and in combination, make clear which side one is on.

Oh finally, I can post.

When will something be done about this slimeball al-Husainy, as well as the slimballs at CAIR, in Canada and the US? What about the liars in Joseph Nadir's video? What about various imams at mosques all over the country? I mean, what the hell?!

BTW, do any of you live in Berkeley, or anywhere in the East Bay? I ask because I want to start something. I want to do what Joseph Nadir did in his video. Whenever there is a Da'wa event at any place in the Bay Area, a group of us can go there and launch a concerted effort to expose them. Anyone think that's a good idea?

"Cheeky Humans" - too funny!!
That title could well be a badge of honor for some

I think one of the most important points in the Iman's prayer that needs to be specifically refuted in an effective and concise manner is the reference to Jesus.

Characterizing the line about Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammed as an attempt at conversion is true, but to the uninformed, it is not so striking since "all sorts of faiths pray for the conversion of others in different ways" etc. Some personal market testing in this area generated little response.

Even less effective is pointing out that Muslims believe merely that Jesus was a prophet, and not divine, as other religions believe that as well. Again, annecdotal evidence generates a response of "so what."

No, the key and concise point to emphasize is that Muslims consider the entire New Testament to be an evil lie. They believe that the New Testament is the result of an evil conspiracy against Allah and against Islam. They do not believe that Jesus as described in the New Testament is something to aspire to, or that anything in the New Testament (much less the beauty of the beatitudes) is of value. To the contrary, it leads people to stray from Allah in their view.

Thus, they do not believe that Jesus as described in the New Testament is anything more than a hoax to lead people astray.

Given what they believe, how can they possibly respect Christianity and the rights of Christians to believe what they believe? In their view, it is an abomination against Allah. Thus the values of Christianity are not shared, appreciated, or even tolerated by Islam (when they can do anything about it).

Then I point out that Christianity does not attempt to redefine Judaism by calling Abraham, David, Moses, etc. Christians.

This approach seems to work, or to at least get some thinking to occur. I am sure better writers can put together something significantly more concise and better written. We need concise talking points to cut through this garbage.

I hope that is what Robert, Hugh, and the others at JW/DW are planning on doing. Robert mentioned some type of Islam 101 document--a list of concise arguments, questions, and refutations.

He'd probably have had even more contempt for the interviewer if he was an atheist. Would've been even funnier if that had been the case

JSobieski,

I think the Islam 101 talking-points pamphlet is a fine idea -- but for one slight problem...that's a potential problem here in Canada -- Canada has notorious hate laws. (I think a different edition would need to be compiled for Canada) -- in Canada you cannot bring "disrespect" on any named religion, group, etc. (and how that's to be intrepreted is beyond me.) Someone said that merely stating "Muslim immigration is not good for Canada" could be accused of hate speech.

wrathofasma: "When will something be done about this slimeball al-Husainy, as well as the slimballs at CAIR, in Canada and the US?"

Something must be done with the obvious "occupiers" in our countries. They can't live with us, nor do they want to.

This "slimeball", as you say, represents a mirror image of millions of muslims. What the he!! are we doing!

AND, I really want to know who the "doomed" are in his prayer. I which Hannity had pushed that question.

callmeinfidel:"Stick a pin in that blowhard dnc imam and let all the hot air out."

Isn't it a warm feeling to know that's the nature of those the world has to (try to) negotiate peace with?

Feministagainstislam, I did not find where anyone answered you question, and I assume it is genuine. Sean Hannity has a syndicated radio talk show that is on during the evening commute time. He is also on the Fox news channel at 9:00 pm EST.

He claims to be conservative, as a counterpoint to his co-host on TV, Alan Colmes. Hannity still has a long way to go in understanding jihad. He still believes in the "tiny (whiny) minority of extremists" belief.

About no free speech in Canada. Lately a number of issues have come to the fore -- a fellow who had the audacity to publish a selected few of the Muslim cartoons is being hauled up before a "Human Rights Tribunal." I don't know what the outcome of that one will be. Then there was a church who featured a fellow who converted to Christianity from Islam -- and the fellow was saying things about Islam (not too praiseworthy, if you get my drift). Next thing ya know, there's CAIR clamouring to get his head on a pike -- metaphor, metaphor! honest!! -- the provincial attorney general's office now has to look into "HATE SPEECH". i don't know if there will be charges laid or not. I think things have reached such a point that even to say you despise mass murderers, that might get ya into hot water, since you're pointing to a possible identifiable group -- say, ex-cons (?)

Anyway, The National Post just featured a series of articles on Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms. David Frum wrote a column entitled "Free Speech in name only" (publsihed Feb. 10, 2007). In part Frum wrote: "Section 15 of the Charter simultaneously declares that every individual is entitled to 'equal benefit of the law without discrimination.' And while that certainly sounds fair, Canadian courts have consistently interpreted the Section 15 equality guarantee to include a right not to be spoken about in offensive ways....The courts have resolved this dilemma by conferring the right not be spoken about in a displeasing way to certain subgroups: homosexuals but not heterosexuals, blacks but not whites, women but not men, Muslims but not Christians, and so on.Although these rights are justified as necessary to 'equality,' in practice they are not applied at all equally. And really: How could they be? If everyone possessed the right to silence speech he disliked, nobody would speak at all. The only way to make any sense out of the privileges granted by Section 15 is to limit them to certain favoured segments of the population...What the Charter process does, then, is to subject free-speech rights to a roving, fitful and ultimately unprincipled supervision by judges empowered to decide which groups are entitled to special protection, and which are not; which speech goes 'too far' and which does not. This process leaves Canadian speech rights far more insecure and far less predictable than they were before the Charter was adopted to protect them."

We'll have to wait and see if an ex-terrorist condemning what a certain religion required of him to do in the name of that religion is to be deemed "hate speech" -- if so, then we're up a creek, as they say.

This is an obvious Trojan Horse routine; be nice and then strike when you're able. Everyone see's it's a Christian - Islam argument, in which Islam doesn't want any possible assimilation to exist between the two.

Ok pass the popcorn, or pass the fatwah! We realy need to take this seriously, but it is so hard when they sound like retards. I guess that is why we are cheeky, cause I am laughing, while shaking my head in disbelief, that this is what they have come to, I mean realy. PATHETIC.

Al Hussaini is the ultimate prototype of the Islamic belief-system.

But don't forget, it was the Democrats who invited him and who didn't even see anything wrong with his phony 'prayers' until the networks took him on over it....

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/11/monkeys-pigs-get-along-nicely/

Maybe it's just me, but ... these slogans seem more like secret acknowledgements to fellow jihadwatch.org readers than real slogans.

Whenever there is a Da'wa event at any place in the Bay Area, a group of us can go there and launch a concerted effort to expose them. Anyone think that's a good idea?
Posted by: wrathofasma [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 11, 2007 04:45 PM

Wrathifasma - I happen to think its a great idea, in principle. I just happen to feel that the other side has had tons of practice in their da'wa art (there must be a school for teaching this sort of dissimulation) and that our side is still missing a coherent set of talking points, containing all the relevant Quranic suras, hadiths that cannot be shot down because they have the strongest chains of narration, standard rebuttals to dealing with "you're taking it out of context", "you have to understand Arabic" etc etc. Before I would recommend that groups gather across the nation to do as you suggest in a concerted fashion (which again - I think is a great idea) - I think they need to be properly equipped for the task. As one of our Texan posters likes to say, "Be armed. Be ready". I look forward to the day when large numbers of people are adequately armed with the precise arguments to do what you are suggesting but that's where I think the counter-jihad is still lacking in an organizational sense. For example, if the typical da'wa apologist says, Islam makes it very clear that "There is no compulsion in religion", do you know off the top of your head what to say in response so as not to be left tongue-tied in the face of dissembling? Don't trial lawyers make it very clear that one should never ask a question one doesn't know the answer to? So in short yes - I completely agree with your idea that groups of informed citizens should gather to confront these local da'wa efforts. But I still think we are in need of some kind of extremely organized information source that gives groups of people proposing to do that the firm tools they need in order to realistically take on that kind of situation with absolute confidence. I am sincerely hoping that the new "Islam 101" feature proposed at this site will provide those sorts of very practical tools.

s_sgt7,

I don't think the Charter will ever be changed. And, I don't think many here even know what Freedom really means. Everyone is out to promote Islamism (not just Muslims, but the press, the elites, etc). As another example, we have a law prof (muslim) who's out to dredge up dirt on Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan -- and what happens? Well, of course, there's a front-page spread in the Globe and Mail featuring said "research" by said law prof about alleged "abuse" of Muslims in Afghanistan. And, that's not all. We're now going to have a formal inquiry, a search for the "abused" Afghans, etc, etc, all at tax-payer expense. And WHY? because a Muslim law prof alleges that three detainees had scratches on their faces.

JS:

It sounds like Canada needs its own version of the Federalist Society. I guess one of the concrete things that could be done would be to start some type of legal foundation to challenge laws like the one in Canada.

Is anyone aware of such a group. If so, I am interested in making a donation. If not, someone needs to start one.

Surely there must be some type of free-speech advocacy group in Canada?

Off topic

Messrs. Robert et Hugh:
Someone suggested you include a piggy on your logo; are you going to?

BTW - ya'll I found it this is the Chinese Year of the Dog - another animal the islamics hate.

Happy Year of the Dog - until the 18th.

s_sgt7,

going to add..realistically speaking, I think Canada (perhaps like the UK(?)) is a goner...may as well write us off. I think they (you can guess whom I'm referring to), are already entrenched in Canada's elite -- they determine policy, they set the agendas (whether it's on the Immigration and Refugee Board, one which denies entrance to Coptic Christians while granting refugee status to known terrorists; or allows increasing Muslim immigration at an unprecedented level; or establishes laws designed so that Muslims will not be "offended" -- well, it all exists, in the here and now, not in some distant future.) Oh, and speaking of Da'wa -- this has been going on for years -- you'll find them (that's RoP) at flea markets (hawking their wares); you'll find them in the Media (hawking their pro-terrorist propaganda); you'll find them in universities (that promoting their history, their laws, their religion, etc.); setting up Da'wa groups via Christian church groups (look to the Anglicans, the Quakers, the Mennonites, etc. -- they all want MORE Muslims to immigrate to Canada); you'll find them on television cable programs encouraging "debates" between Islam vs Christian (reminds me of Medieval Europe); etc, etc.etc.

About the only "free speech" group I know is the Canadian Coalition for Democracies. that's it (oh, and it's one the Muslims despise...)

: J.S, There was a Baptist church in Windsor who had speakers speak about islam, and terrorist, and there were cries from the usual suspects " muslims and their appologist politicians", but you know they cannot take those people to court for hate speech. it would be like opening the "padora box", as a counter suit can be take against islamists, by taking the koran for hate speech. l am waiting for this to start, Canada is not a lost cause, and we have to keep pounding the message about islam not being a religion.. one of the speakers told the newspapers, that he was quoting from the koran.. it will cause more to inspect the koran for themselves.

I think of far-off islands (there is one they claim -- it does exist!! -- in which there are no RoP advocates -- they're banned). I listen to music. there's a Sephardic tune -- "Ki Le'olam Hasdo" on the album, With Every Breath, it's from Psalm 136. This is my resistance. I also read and take note of the Texan who occasionally posts here. Thus, I have not given up.

"going to add..realistically speaking, I think Canada (perhaps like the UK(?)) is a goner...may as well write us off." JS

This was a result of extended rule by the Liberal party of Canada. Their only policy and agenda except for a balanced budget (credit where credit is due) was to appease any and all voting blocks. And that's all they focused on, with the loudest voting blocks getting the most appeasement. The entire focus was on staying in power without any actual direction. This made them perfect for Islamic influence and infiltration.

It is the very good fortune that Stephen Harper is the Prime Minister. Remember him? Just a while ago his minority Conservative government was the attempted target of bumbling Jihad twits who planned to bomb the parliment because Canada suddently started battling the Taliban, as you must recall.

Harper's excellent performance as PM should, one hopes, lead to a majority government this spring. Then there will be a real shift towards reason and common sense. Dhimmi CBC is in a lot of trouble even now and under a major review.

And don't forget the heroes in small town Quebec these days.

Canada, UK -- they've got a chance. Things are looking up. In France, however, those surrender monkeys are doomed. The only forseeable result will be fascism battling fascism. Probably that won't happen until their wine production begins getting interfered with. That should be a funny line to write, but it's probably the awful truth.

Wow!Did he learn his techinque from Howard Dean?It started to sound like that 2004 Iowa Meltdown speech!

(Note to self:When confronted by truth and logic,FLIP YOUR WIG!)

...or turban as the case may be...

It was like that Star Trek episode where Kirk
confuses the alien probe with logic until it self destructs!(after they beam it into space,of course.;))

Al-Husainy:"We're not beat yet!We,re goin to India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and then We're Takin' Over The White House!!!!"

"YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGH!!!"

Mr. Lincoln,

In all due respect...I have sincere reservations...(that's about the Conservatives.)

I could tally the "problematic" features of the Conservatives -- but, what's the point? more votes for Liberals?

Frankly, I don't think the Conservatives have stood by certain principles...they've caved, big time (again, I could name them, but, why give ammo to the enemies?)

The only thing -- yes, the Conservatives are better than the Liberals..(yeah, i guess that's the case..) and (I guess) I hope there's a Conservative majority.

Jihad is a inner struggle for the peace seeking follower of islam, but this religious leader is beating the stuffing out of himself, waging jihad against himself.

Moses and Jesus were jews, would islam try and kill them?

Will the Dems defend this leader?

This is supposed to be Obama's church.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Anyone know if it is?

The mother country? Heh.

Obamma's church tenets........

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

Commitment to God
Commitment to the Black Community
Commitment to the Black Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.

A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.

A congregation committed to LIBERATION.

A congregation committed to RESTORATION.

A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

s_sgt7

I go to Mills College in Oakland. I have class most of the day and I also work most of the week. On weekends I go back to Davis (near Sacramento). So far I can't find any Da'wa events. But when there is, then perhaps we could work something out.

I watched the ducking imam Al-Husainy on H&C. I didn't realize at the time all the stuff that had happened with Hannity:

1) lifting Debbie Sclussel's (DS) research without any recognition

2) using DS material that she actually went undercover to muslim meetings to get--(she risked her personal safety being in such a hostile setting)

3 promised DS to be his guest on the show to take on Al-Husainy in a competent fashion--but reneged on the promise

My point--Hannity has lost credibility with many of us who used to respect him. I am glad he had on the imam to blast him (albeit in an incompetent fashion) and expose the lies. I have always thought more or Hannity than to screw a fellow anit-jihader like this. Hannity preaches ethics and against palgiarism on his radio program--but he pulls this kind of crap--waht a hypocrite. Debbie Sclussel is livid and with good reason. By contrast Rush Limbaugh, Michael Reagan, RS and others always give the recognition where it is due, and don't act in this fashion.

I watched the ducking imam Al-Husainy on H&C. I didn't realize at the time all the stuff that had happened with Hannity--that he was:

1) lifting Debbie Sclussel's (DS) research without any recognition

2) using DS material that she actually went undercover to muslim meetings to get--(she risked her safety)

3 a promiser DS to guest on the show to take on Al-Husainy in a competent fashion--but reneged on the promise.

My point--Hannity has lost credibility with many of us who used to respect him. I am glad he had on the imam to blast him (albeit in an incompetent fashion) and expose the lies. I have always thought more or Hannity than to screw a fellow anit-jihader like this. Hannity preaches ethics and against palgiarism on his radio program--but he pulls this kind of crap--waht a hypocrite. Debbie Sclussel is livid and with good reason. By contrast Rush Limbaugh, Michael Reagan, RS and others always give the recognition where it is due, and don't act in this fashion.

Hannity--you need to make clean it up man!

http://www.debbieschlussel.com read the stories on this -- you have to scroll down--but see for yourself

hitler's germany sent out sutudents and vistors across europe to make friends and see the sites. These same students and visitors led the german troops into europe and down roads that the local people did not even know about.........and europe was conquered.

the muslims have done the same in europe and are doing the same in America and Canada. muslims train at paint ball sites on a regular basis and have training camps setup across America and Canada.

prepare be armed be ready for war is being waged on the West by the cult of islam...........

The Texican.
God Family America & Freedom the only choice at any cost.

I have questions about Islamic theology:

Do Muslims believe that the Koran was transmitted to the Prophets, including Jesus, in the exact form that it was transmitted to Mohammad, and then later corrupted by Christians and Jews?

If not, were the old and new testaments eternal and uncreated books, as with the Koran?

I just happened to come across "Hal Lindsay's Report" a few minutes ago.
He was discussing the alliances shaping up in the world. It's not looking good.
The so-called failures of the Shahab missile tests could have been successful...how? The Shahabs blew up at 100 miles above the Earth...all 3 blew up at the same altitude. His idea is the explosion at 100 miles above the Earth would fry all technology over a vast area of the continental US. He said we would think it was just a power failure for perhaps days, most of us would use up all the supplies we already have, and none would be coming in large quantities.
He gave a very sobering speech.
http://hallindsey.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

First slogan "cheeky humans" too obscure by far. I had no idea what it related to. Second slogan, as pointed out above, confusing as to who is the minority doing the burning. Very disappointing if those are the 2 choices in trying to get a message across to the great seething mass. Needs to be much more straightforward.

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Luke 12:49"

IF The Man ever said it - it was evocative of a separate ideology.I don't think he ever said it

IMO - this phrase is so unlike the rest of The Teachings of Yeshua - that I think it was struck in there by the later church.

Posted by: allat
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This is because you do not understand what Yeshua is saying. My spouse does not believe in Yeshua at all or any God for that matter. I am a Christian. There is a spiritual sepeartion between us. Light and darkness. What does light have in common with darkness ? Can they spiritually coexist ? Of course there is a divison spiritually and it is like a sword. We are contrary spiritually. Yeshua is not speaking of a literal sword to be taken up against mother/father/brother/sister. He is talking about a spiritual divide. There is contention in our home because we do not believe the same thing spiritually. And Yeshua did not come to bring "peace" to the Earth the first time, He came to pay for mans sins. And there will be a great divide of those who are His and those who are not. The very name of Jesus, Yeshua brings disdain and anger from multitudes. Its ok to say "God" but let someone say "Jesus" and folks start flipping out ....this is what He spoke of. And its true.

as far as Hannity, you got to cut some slack with him, as you see he was raised a very pious RC, and thought in the PC mode that all religions are to be respected, blah blah.. Hannity does recognize that there are some evil islmaist, you know the minority, sarcasm off. He has to make that last leap to realizing, like l I did, that is's islam you fool..
I read one post of Roberts that l think needs to be hammered to all in the PC crowd many times over, is that "Islam " is not a true religion, that is is more polictical force that wants to dominate the world. when you stick in more about that there is no separation os State or Church (mosque) within islam, that it contols all daily life, ie Sharia law, l think people can then take the last leap into realizing that islam is like a facist cult. Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess

Hannity doesn't deserve any slack: he is ignorant and refuses to learn. Rush, for instance, had no problems crediting Debbie Schlussel for something that he took from her, and same thing goes for others, like David Limbaugh, Cal Thomas, et al. And it's not like Sean couldn't have had Debbie on his program to help him with it, if he needed. How difficult would it have been for Sean Hannity to at least credit her as the source of info about the imam's support to Hizbullah, even if he didn't want her on? And what exactly is this - a new system of untouchability exercised by the elite Republican guards on Islam? Point about Sean is that he is a political simpleton, and what's worse, lacks integrity.

As for the question about Islam being a religion, of course it is. Your assertion is based upon an assumption that anything that is called a “religion” must be good and conversely, any cultural system that is bad cannot be a “religion”. Sure Islam is a religion - an evil one. Whoever said that all religions have to by definition be good? - except for simpletons like Hannity, who thinks even Scientology must be good, since it's a religion (although I'll grant that it's a far better religion than Islam, which admittedly ain't saying much).

First off, J.S. DON'T GIVE UP ON CANADA!!!! We are out there spreading the word to the people. We can be the prophets in the wilderness spreading the news to the masses. AND we are not the only ones. Just the other week I was talking to my mother about islam. Her response floored me, not because it was against, but because it agreed with what I have been reading on sites like this. My mother is a literal missonary kid. My grandfather was a missonary in west coast Africa. My mother talked about an african tribe called the mendingo's (sp?) who were nomadic and islamic. They were filthy compared to the tribe that my mother grew up with (15 years approx.)

On to your other points. Yes the liberanos have made a mockery of our immigration and rights. Yes they have kowtowed to the "minorities" in this coutntry. BUT don't forget this is Hudson Bay country. We will go the distance on our own grub, without touching the company supplies. We will quietly put up with the small points. But we are also a country of Warriors or better SOLDIERS!!! WE became a country in WWI. WE SHONE ON THE BEACHES OF DIEPPE AND NORMANDY. WE WILL NOT ROLL OVER AND PLAY DHIMMI!!!! What you see in the big cities is not the Canada that is. OUR Canada exists in the small towns, the whistle of the train in the night, the cry of the loon, and the tail slap of the beaver on the hint of danger.

This movement in the shadows of Islam and the vile cry of the false prophet will hit the bulwark of the ESSENCE of Canada and fail. I know my friends and the bare bones of my country man. DO NOT GIVE UP!

Sorry for rambling. the muse struck me hard.

Paladin

There is no such thing as humanity, only the duality of the believer and unbeliever. Look at the ethical statements found in the Hadith. A Muslim should not lie, cheat, kill or steal from other Muslims. But a Muslim may lie, deceive or kill an unbeliever if it advances Islam.

Posted by: Arnie at February 11, 2007 09:57 AM

Good Point! Islam is based on discrimination of non-muslims, who are marked for conversion by force (to increase the muslim number count) or dhimmi-status (to terrorize non-muslims and steal their money) or death.

If that is not discrimination, theft, oppression and terrorism, what is?

Can God get 'mad'?

Re: "So, hate you, Al-Husainy, you and your enormously perverted, twisted, ultra patriarchal/misogynist "culture" and I hope you read this! By inviting you to give the prayer, the Dems are condoning this outrageous Muslim male violence against Muslim females".
Posted by: darcy at February 11, 2007 09:55 AM

Great comment. I could feel the passion as I read it. It came straight from the heart. Home run.

"Re: taqiyya-and-tu-quoque"

Hugh-

It occurred to me as I read one of the articles "googled" that the reason the cleric objected to "yes" or "no" questions of fact is because he could not practice taqiyya style deception. For example, Hannity's question: "is Hezbollah a terror organization? Yes or no?" does not leave enough wiggle room for taqiyya. Hannity's style is the key here. Just as certain boxers do very well re some opponents because of style of boxing (Ken Norton vs Ali, e.g.) Hannity's style drove the cleric crazy. The cleric could run, but he couldn't hide.

Hannity's style is not a sly one in which a premise is buried in the question (why is Israel building Apartheid fences? e.g.), but rather it allows the person questioned ("is Hezbollah a terror organization? Yes or no?", e.g.) control over the premise. His style is informational re the questioned person's premise on an issue. Then Hannity goes on to discuss the person's position on a given premise. It's a style that will drive a deceptive person to go crazy and hang-up on him.

Here's Wafa Sultan ripping some Algerian 'professor' to shreds:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/12/wafa-sultan-muhammedan-algerian-pofessor/

Can God get 'mad'?

AndyA
Read about Sodom and Gamorrah. Archeologists can't even find traces. They think they are under the Dead Sea. Hence it being dead.

Read Revelations wow does he get mad! Read Hal Lindsey's Apocalypse Code.

sheik yer'mami-

It is a common tactic of people who cannot defend present actions to go back to the past in accusations to draw some moral equivalency. However, someone once said, "the past is another country, people do things differently there". For example, America abolished slavery as a result of a war that killed 600,000 American soldiers, most of them (a lot Irish immigrants in the Army of the Potomac) from the north (where slavery was abolished). Most Caucasian Americans today cannot trace their ancestry in America back before 1890. The pre-1865 America was a different country.

Though it is not a defense for any actions against the "Indians", it is true that they were busy killing each other when settlers in North America arrived. That too has changed. No one is killing "Indians" today. It is the slavery of today, the ethnic and "religious" killings of today that are the issue.

Every nation, every empire in history (from the Aztecs to the Zulus) has been established by violence and the conquest of some recently "native" peoples, and often the extermination of the recently "native" peoples' culture. That was especially true with Spanish America. But most of North America was so cold (so much of the year) that America was largely wilderness when the settlers arrived. (Spain was not interested in North America for that reason. It was mostly cold, vacant, wilderness as far as the Spanish were concerned.)

Most of the typical historic pattern of violence, conquest, extermination of "native" peoples and their culture-religion occurred with the Spanish (btw, in the end, the Aztecs got from the Spanish exactly what they had been doing to the Toltec). The pattern under the Spanish in America was very similar to the Arab conquests. It was the typical historic pattern.

However, North America was a different story. The comparison of the man arguing (with Waffa) is only dimly valid. He's just trying to divert the issue and use "you too bad" as a defense for current Islamic oppression.

It is the present that matters. This waltz through the centuries to justify Jihad and current Islamic oppression is absurd.

BTW, do any of you live in Berkeley, or anywhere in the East Bay? I ask because I want to start something. I want to do what Joseph Nadir did in his video. Whenever there is a Da'wa event at any place in the Bay Area, a group of us can go there and launch a concerted effort to expose them. Anyone think that's a good idea?

Posted by: wrathofasma

Wrathofasma, we tried to do this at a Church of England meeting in a small village in Warwickshire. They invited a 'missionary' from Lebanon to speak. The vicar then opened the opportunity for questions. We held up the bible and asked the 'missionary' if he actually thought that the God of the bible and allah were the same. He said YES. We then said that allah has no son - so how could allah be God. He then tried to explain that muslims do not understand God the same as Christians. I then asked the 'missionary' if the converted arab 'CHRISTIANS', after being saved, have a different stance on Israel/Jews. He then looked at the vicar and back at me and (seemed confused) and said NO......almost as though he could not understand why I would expect them to!

We know of Christian Jews and Christian Arabs that love and respect each other because of Christ. So, it was apparent to me that there is a HUGE lie being taught even in so-called 'Christian' organisations. That allah and Jehovah are the same God.

If 'so-called christians' can teach this, why should we be surprised when idiot politicians behave completely clueless.

We should not simply publically expose the hypocrisy of the imams, but we should also publically expose the hypocrisy of ANY religion that claims allah and Jehovah is the same....since they are all deceivers that do this.

auntbea,

The iman has forgotten that even Abraham had even debated and asked questions to God about the issue of sparing both Sodom and Gommorah for the sake of x numbers of people. It would suprise the iman bigtime that God is used to the debating and questioning. Just think of it Mr. Iman like a scene from the tv series, "The Apprentence " and the famous "boardroom" scenes without all the backstabing. Instead of the Donald, it is God that is listening to both sides.

Mr. Hannity did some good. Excellent.

Hadith Sahih Bukhari:V2B24N555 “I heard the Prophet say, ‘Allah hates for you for asking too many questions.’”

Allah is not Yahweh. Yahweh doesn't hate questions.

Note to the people earlier on who want to contact each other but not give out their email addresses. Each person creates a use-once email address on hotmail or yahoo, gives it on here and starts the contact in that way.

A_Plague_on_Both_Houses,

At lease there is some differences.

"There is no humor in islam"

...and apparently not among several JW posters.

For those who didn't get the memo, Robert was being facetious when he suggested "a minority of people burning the world" and "cheeky humans" as possible slogans. Just have fun with it...

Does anyone have a direct download for this MP3? I offer the following in exchange...

http://www.fugly.com/media/videodir1171320658/Crazy/muslim-rave-party-sensation.wmv