Egyptian MP: Nothing will work with Israel except nuclear bomb that will wipe it out of existence

Well all the End Times players are all lining up in a row real pretty aren't they.

""That cursed Israel is trying to destroy al-Aqsa mosque," Mohammed el-Katatny of President Hosni Mubarak's National Democratic Party (NDP) told a heated parliament session held to discuss the Israeli digging."

Lets not forget all the military aide we give to Mubarak's Egypt.

Maybe the NDP are Jeffersonians!

No doubt this too has been "taken out of context."

"Lets not forget all the military aide we give to Mubarak's Egypt."
Posted by: greatcometof1577
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yes we certainly seem to send lots of monies to Israels enemies, with friends like us, well, you get teh picture

No doubt this too has been "taken out of context."

Posted by: MP

Yea..He meant the internal nuclear struggle with Zionist within ones spirit.

"That cursed Israel is trying to destroy al-Aqsa mosque," Mohammed el-Katatny

The funny thing is if they attack Israel with nukes won't the al-Aqsa mosque be vaporized also?

Does this make any sense?

Oh I forgot we are talking to Muslims...never mind.

"yes we certainly seem to send lots of monies to Israels enemies, with friends like us, well, you get teh picture"

Posted by: SalaciousCrumb

Somehow we think that will keep Isreal from being attacked (the head tax or Islamic protection money). What this guy is really saying is our head tax is about to go up.

The mind of a Muslim works in mysterious ways.

Israel is trying to destroy the mosque by excavating the area for relics, as opposed to simply dropping a bomb on it or bulldozing it.

Israel is trying to genocide the Palestinians by assassinating terrorists and causing collateral damage by killing human shields, as opposed to simply bombing the entire area flat or rounding up the population and sending them to death camps.

Do you see how clever the Zionists are?

LGF has reported this as well.

One suspects that you, Robert, aren't as ignorant of ME politics as Charles Johnson is.

This guy is shooting his mouth off. The 2bn that Egypt receives is known for what it is by Mubarak - and he's not thinking in jizzyah terms.

Mubarak is as much an anti-jihadist as any one of us - granted his reasoning might be somewhat different but the fact remains that he's not all that keen on the Islamic Brotherhood.

This story represents a rogue MP - and maybe a few others.

Truly nothing to see here - until Mubarak cops it.

The hatred and paranoia among Muslims over a minor and mundane archelogical dig, that simply must be done to build a bridge used by tourists for the most part, is supremely revealing.

Here is a link to an Honest Reporting article which asks the important questions that no one will touch: Why doesn't the media directly discuss just how ludicrous and ominous these Muslim protests are?

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Temple_Mount_Truths.asp

The Israelis may dig up something the mo's don't want anyone to know about.

And, as always, the mo's are forever looking for excuses to nuke Israel, as if they really need any/sarcasm off.

JTF
I saw that piece also.

If the mosque falls down or some accident occurs then they will blame the Israelis for lack of maintenance. Can't win with these creeps.

Mo's have done whatever they can to ruin/destroy Christain and Jewish sites wherever they can find them. The West just looks on and as usual does nothing.

The inflitration and destruction of the west is gaining momentum as far as I can tell. Every day it gets worse and worse:(

Fear is what this is all about. None of this will stop until America and Judea loose their fear of utilizing nuclear weapons to quell the terrorist enemy and the terrorist and state sponsors will not stop until they are taught fear by the incineration of key Islamic points of darkness.

Well, it looks like Israel gave back the Sinai Peninsula for absolutely nothing. Egypt never changed its stripes. It is still the same old enemy it always was. Kind of like how it has now given up the Gaza Strip to people who are still enemies. One day very soon, Israel has got to stop giving up land and retreating or there will be no Israel.

Muslims not only adapt to climate, vegetation, and fauna, but also, like the immune system, they adapt over evolutionary and individual lifetimes. They need competition. There will always be winners and losers. Muslims can be warlike, greedy, altruistic, and egalitarian. There is no one universal nature. Muslims are a reflection of their environment. Some are directly influenced. Others are more cooperative and open-minded. Variation is essential, not just a set of characteristics religious members share. It is about variation, not commonality. Instinct can trump culture. Muslims are human. Islam and myth have a hold on imagination. Muslims must look beyond. All species have a unique trajectory through the tree of life, a unique set of ecological conditions to which they respond over the course of evolution. If Muslims understand the conditions of evolution, then they will understand themselves. They are a work in progress. Muslims are conscious, curious, and complex. They seek self-understanding. This is evolution. The environment, to which they adapt, is everything outside. From one generation to another, they adapt to one another, and to the changes they make in the environment. Muslims can have an accelerated evolution, based on how effectively they make changes. Evolution is never finished. Muslims must look beyond Islamic orthodoxy to reach an understanding of how they are influenced. They must construct healthy political systems, such as participatory democracies. They must strive for a sense of good; otherwise they may be extinguished in warfare.

Truly nothing to see here...

Posted by: Alex

Mahmoud Ahmedinejad was just "shooting his mouth off", too, when he declared Israel must be "wiped off the map". That wasn't anything, either. Juan Cole said so. Nope, nothing to see here. We'll go back to sleep now, Alex. I'm sure you let us know when there's something worth noting...

Such thinking is part of the genocidal mentality that is very dominent in the Islamic world.

Lame Cherry makes a very frightening suggestion that would draw more desperation to the efforts of Iran to nuke Israel -- and gives them some sort of justification to do so and a uniting of the muslims including those who actually want the Thug In Chief nut removed for causing so much trouble. Suddenly they'd all be friends.

Hmmm. Opening the door and instilling fear with such an example would have to be followed immediately by pre-emptive strikes on all Islamic nuclear development facilities -- so that the point is made and underlined. Then -- THEN the fundamentalists would certainly be removed from power. Just a matter of time.

Hard to say if scattered violent indy jihad would end -- we're talking about suicidal headcases, after all. Make sure absulotely all are certain that Muhammad's fake tomb is NEXT. That would work. Wow, "Leave us alone, behave like modern man, or big Mo and the Fiji mermaid buys it!" Yeah, that would work like crazy.

I'm going to have to stay off this board for a while -- I'm starting to sound like Dr. Strangelove.

Muslims not only adapt to climate, vegetation, and fauna, but also, like the immune system, they adapt over evolutionary and individual lifetimes. They need competition. There will always be winners and losers. Muslims can be warlike, greedy, altruistic, and egalitarian. There is no one universal nature. Muslims are a reflection of their environment. Some are directly influenced. Others are more cooperative and open-minded. Variation is essential, not just a set of characteristics religious members share. It is about variation, not commonality. Instinct can trump culture. Muslims are human. Islam and myth have a hold on imagination. Muslims must look beyond. All species have a unique trajectory through the tree of life, a unique set of ecological conditions to which they respond over the course of evolution. If Muslims understand the conditions of evolution, then they will understand themselves. They are a work in progress. Muslims are conscious, curious, and complex. They seek self-understanding. This is evolution. The environment, to which they adapt, is everything outside. From one generation to another, they adapt to one another, and to the changes they make in the environment. Muslims can have an accelerated evolution, based on how effectively they make changes. Evolution is never finished. Muslims must look beyond Islamic orthodoxy to reach an understanding of how they are influenced. They must construct healthy political systems, such as participatory democracies. They must strive for a sense of good; otherwise they may be extinguished in warfare.
Posted by: SFOD

So with proper motivation Muslim’s can change and move away from the teaching of the Koran? They can modernize, adapt and overcome. They simply have to forget the lure of literal translation of the Koran and develop a new improved modern understanding. A task never attempted in their almost 1,400 year history. All the while developing nukes, spreading jihad and eating their own. Hopefully the new improved Muslim you envision will win over the 1.2 billion bad ones (given time). Good luck with that.

"it looks like Israel gave back the Sinai Peninsula for absolutely nothing. Egypt never changed its stripes. It is still the same old enemy it always was."
-- from a posting above

Israel not only surrendered the entire Sinai, which in its entirety was never part of modern Egypt until the 1920s, but furthermore, with the Sinai it surrendered three major airfields that Israel had built, oil fields it had developed, and billions of dollars in infrastructure -- roads and so on -- that it had spent.

For this it got worthless promises, promises to end all hostile propaganda and, what's more, to actually encourage friendly attitudes toward Israel. How non-stop media campaigns against Israel as a monstrous regime, including the use of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion for a mini-series on Egyptian television, and of course constant references to Jewish use of Muslim blood in religious ceremonies (a charge which mimics that to be found in medieval Europe) constitutes "encouraging friendly relations"is beyond me.

But, but, but, someone splutters. How can you be so unfair? Didn't Egypt make "peace" with Israel? Has Egypt gone to war with Israel? No, Egypt has not gone to war with Israel - thoughit conducts its warfare through many other means, and of course has allowed all kinds of weaponry to be smuggled into Gaza. Egypt has not declared war, of a military kind, on Israel for the exact same reason Syria has not, or Jordan, or Saudi Arabia: fear of what would happen if it went to war, and lost. For even the Egyptians may now understand that the Israelis now understand, that if there is another war, and the Sinai is taken, it will never ever be given over to Egypt again.

That's what the whole idiotic Camp David Accords, that some still think were an "achievement" of that evil man, that clear antisemite, Jimmy Carter (and his most recent book did not make it clear: his actions at Camp David, his behavior at Camp David, should have made it clear to all), led to -- led to, for Egypt, the entire Sinai with $16 billion dollars in Israeli improvements, and on top of that, the $60 billion that started to flow as a reward, by the American government, to Saint Sadat.

What idiocy it all was. What idiocy is still is.

This Al Aqsa stuff is nonsense!

Facts!

(1) During 1948 to 1967, no Arab leader even visited Al Aqsa.

(2) The mosque was built purportedly to commemmorate Muhammad's journey to Jerusalem. But the Quran never mentions Jerusalem as where his journey ended. Rather, it says "far mosque." It could not have been Jerusalem because there was no mosque in Jerusalem at the time.

(3) Hundreds of mosques and historical sites in Mecca have been destroyed. Many of these date back to the 7th and 8th century. And this is entirely deliberate and encouraged by the clergy in Saudi Arabia.

The Destruction of Holy Sites in Mecca and Medina
By Irfan Ahmed

The Arabian Peninsula, the cradle of Islam, is being demolished by hardliners. In countries such as Saudi Arabia almost all of the Islamic historical sites are gone, but this is not the first time they have been destroyed
In 1802, and army led by the sons of Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhab (the founder of Wahhabism) and Muhammad ibn Saud occupied Taif and began a bloody massacre. A year later, the forces occupied the holy city of Mecca. They executed a campaign of destruction in many sacred places and leveled all the existing domes, even those built over the well of Zamzam. However, after the army left, Sharif Ghalib breached the truce, inciting the Wahhabis to reoccupy Mecca in 1805.
In 1806, the Wahhabi army occupied Medina. They did not leave any religious building, including mosques, without demolishing it, whether inside or outside the Baqi’ (graveyard). They intended to demolish the grave of the Prophet Muhammad, may the peace and blessings of God be upon him, many times, but would repeatedly change their minds. At this time, non-Wahhabi Muslims were prevented from performing the Hajj (pilgrimage). In 1805, Iraqi and Iranian Muslims were refused permission to perform Hajj, as were the Syrians in 1806 and Egyptians the following year. The Saudi leader at the time wanted the pilgrims to embrace his Wahhabi beliefs and accept his Wahhabi mission. If they refused, he denied them permission to perform the Hajj and considered them heretics and infidels—ignoring the word of God in Sura al-Baqara:

And who is more unjust than he who forbids that in places for the worship of God, His name should be celebrated? Whose
zeal is (in fact) to ruin them? It was not fitting that such
should themselves enter them except in fear. For them there
is nothing but disgrace in this world, and the world to come,
an exceeding torment. (Qur’an 2:114)

The Wahhabi army’s destruction campaign targeted the graves of the martyrs of Uhud, the mosque at the grave of Sayyid al-Shuhada’ Hamza bin Abdul Muttalib and the mosques outside the Baqi’: the Mosque of Fatima al-Zahra, the Mosque of al-Manaratain, and Qubbat’ al-Thanaya (the burial site of the Prophet’s incisor that was broken in the battle of Uhud). The structures in the Baqi’ were also leveled to the ground and not a single dome was left standing. This great place that was visited by millions of Muslims over many centuries became a garbage dump, such that it was not possible to recognize any grave or know whom it embraced.

The occupation of the holy places by the army and their preventing Muslims from performing Hajj led thousands of people to flee Mecca and Medina to escape religious persecution. The Muslims started to complain and express their concerns, and public opinion put pressure on the Ottoman Caliph to liberate and rebuild the two holy places and once again permit the Muslims to perform the pilgrimage. Accordingly, an army led by Muhammad Ali Pasha, the Caliph’s viceroy in Egypt, was sent. When the forces arrived in the Hijaz, a number of tribes marched in support of the army, which regained control over Medina and then Mecca.

In 1818, the Wahhabis were defeated and they withdrew from the holy places. The Prophet’s Mosque, the Baqi’ and the monuments at Uhud were rebuilt during the reigns of the Ottoman sultans ‘Abd al-Majid I, ‘Abd al-Hamid II and Mahmud II. From 1848 to 1860, the buildings were renovated and the Ottomans built the domes and mosques in splendid aesthetic style. They also rebuilt the Baqi’ with a large dome over the graves of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima al-Zahra, Imam Zainul ‘Abidin (‘Ali bin al-Hussain), Imam Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-Baqir and Imam Ja‘far al-Sadiq. The graves of others related to the Prophet found at the Baqi’ include those belonging to Ibrahim (son), ‘Uthman ibn ‘Affan (Companion and son-in-law), Saffia bint Abdul Muttalib (aunt), Atika bint ‘Abd al-Muttalib (aunt), Al-‘Abbas ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib (uncle), Fatima bint Assad (Imam Ali’s mother), ‘Abd Allah ibn Ja‘far bin Abi Talib (cousin) and Aqil ibn Abi Talib (The Prophet’s cousin).

The grave of the Prophet’s father ‘Abd Allah was in Dar al-Nabigha of the Bani Najjar, the house of where the Prophet learned to swim. However, his father’s grave was exhumed 17 years ago and transferred to the Baqi’. The area of the house today lies under the marble covering the plaza surrounding the mosque.

A number of the Prophet’s wives (the Mothers of the Faithful) were buried in the Baqi’: ‘A’isha, Hafsa, Juwayriya, Saffia, Sawda, Zaynab bint Khuzaima, Zaynab bint Jahsh, Umm Habiba and Umm Salama. The tomb of Khadija, the Prophet’s first wife, is in Mecca because she died before the Hijra (migration of Muslims to Medina). Her grave is in the Hajun cemetery, known as Maqbarat’al-Ma’la. The tomb of Maimouna, another wife, is also in Mecca in an area known as Sarif, which lies on the side of the Hijra Road, nearly 13 miles (20 kilometers) outside Mecca.\

On April 21,1925, the domes in the Baqi’ were demolished once more along with the tombs of the holy personalities in Maqbarat’al-Ma‘la in Mecca, where the Holy Prophet’s mother, wife Khadija, grandfather and other ancestors are buried. Destruction of the sacred sites in the Hijaz continues till this day. Wahhabis say they are trying to rescue Islam from what they consider innovations, deviances and idolatries. Among the practices they believe are contrary to Islam are constructing elaborate monuments over graves and making supplications there.

The Mashrubat Umm Ibrahim—which was built to mark the location of the house where the Prophet’s son, Ibrahim, was born to Mariah, his Egyptian wife—also contained the grave of Hamida al-Barbariyya, the mother of Imam Musa al-Kazim. These sites were destroyed over the past few years.

I recently met with one of the leading political leaders of Medina and took the opportunity to speak to him about the destruction of these holy sites. He told me that the sites were not being demolished, but that torrential rain in Medina was washing away the old buildings! I told him the mosque and tomb of Sayyid Imam al-Uraidhi ibn Ja‘far al-Sadiq, four miles from the Prophet’s Mosque, was destroyed by dynamite and flattened on August 13, 2002. Imam al-Uraidhi is ninth in line from the Prophet. I also asked him about the plan to demolish the last remnant of the historical vestiges of the Messenger of God, namely his noble birthplace, which has been converted into a library, “Maktabat Makka al-Mukarrama.” There was no answer.

Within the last 10 years, Muqbil ibn Hadi al-Wadi’i, a student at the University of Medina, wrote a thesis titled “About the Dome Built over the Grave of the Messenger,” sponsored by Sheikh Hammad al-Ansari. In this paper, the student demands that the noble grave be brought out of the Mosque. He says the presence of the holy grave and noble dome are major innovations and that they both need to be destroyed! His thesis received very high marks. Last year, the city planning board of Medina painted the famous green dome of the Prophet’s Holy Mosque silver. After intense protests by the citizens of Medina, the board restored the dome to its original color.

In the Ottoman part of the Prophet’s Mosque, at the center of the three sections raised a bit from the ground level are three circles. The first, toward the west, corresponds to the grave of the Prophet. The next two toward the east correspond to the graves of Abu Bakr al-Siddiq and ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab. Above the circles are invocations including “Ya Allah” and “Ya Muhammad.” The latter was removed and replaced it with “Ya Majid” by adding the dot under the ‘ha of Muhammad to make it jim and two dots under the second mim of Muhammad to make it ‘ya. There are qasidas written by rulers of the Muslim world, such as Sultan ‘Abd al- Hamid. Many verses of the famous Burda of al-Busayri had also been painted over. On the Qibla side, the brass partition that is divided into three sections between two columns, the authorities have also tried to cover the famous two verses inscribed in the east from the story of al-‘Utbi as mentioned by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir. “O best of those whose bones are buried in the deep earth, and from whose fragrance the depth and height have become sweet! May I be the ransom for a grave in which you dwell, where purity, bounty and munificence.”

If one raises his head a bit, he will see on the first section of this partition a green banner, on which the words of the Almighty are framed in yellow:

O you who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of

the Prophet, may blessings and peace be upon him and his

family, nor speak aloud to him in talk, as you speak aloud to

one another, lest your deeds be rendered fruitless while you

perceive not. (Qur’an 49:2)

The Sacred Chamber has four exterior doors: on the south, Bab al-Tawba (The Door of Repentance), on the north, Bab al-Tahajjud (The Door of Night Prayer), on the east, Bab Fatima (the Door of Fatima), and on the west, Bab al-Nabi (The Door of the Prophet)—also known as Bab al- Wufud (The Door of Delegations). These gates have been present since the year 668 AH except for the Gate of the Night Prayer, which was installed in 729 AH. Inside there are two gates, one on either side of the triangular part of the interior compartment. All of these doors are covered by brass shelves holding Qur’ans, an attempt to prevent the public from looking inside the Sacred chamber.

The Wahhabi religious authorities are, unfortunately, on a fast track. In 1998 the grave of Amina bint Wahb, the Prophet’s mother, was bulldozed in Abwa and gasoline was poured on it. Even though thousands of petitions throughout the Muslim world were sent to Saudi Arabia, nothing stopped this action. One of my late teachers, Sheikh Sayyid Muhammad ibn ‘Alawi al-Maliki, a Meccan who was a great historian on the holy sites and inherited his knowledge from his father and forefathers who were all teachers of the holy Haram, showed me pictures of the grave of Sayyida Amina marked with a pile of stones after the destruction. The House of Khadija was excavated during the Haram extensions, then hurriedly covered over so as to obliterate any trace of it. This was the house where the Prophet received some of his first revelations and it is also where his children Umm Kulthum, Ruqqaya, Zaynab, Fatima, and Qasim were born. Dar al-Arqam, the first school in Islam where the Prophet taught has also been demolished. It was in the area of Shi’b ‘Ali near the Bab ‘Ali door opposite the king’s palace. It is now part of the extension of the Haram.

The authorities plan to demolish the house of Mawlid, where the Prophet was born. About 60 years ago, this house, which used to have a dome over it, was turned into a cattle market. Some people then worked together to transform it into a library, which it is today. It is lined with shelves of books about Mecca, most of them written by Meccans. But the library is under threat again because of the new Jabal ‘Umar project, one of the largest real estate development projects near the Grand Mosque. The birthplace of the Prophet is to make way for a car park and hotels. About 99% of real estate owners in the Jabal ‘Umar area are shareholders in this company. The owners have been provided with financial incentives, including what they used to receive as rents, combining five-star facilities under the luxurious Le Meridien banner. The Meridien Towers will allow several thousand housing units in Mecca to be available during specified periods of time, for a one-off, fixed fee, giving the towers 25 years of shared ownership in Mecca. This scheme allow outsiders, whether Muslim or not, to invest in the city; they will be allowed to buy from a range of properties that can be used, sublet, resold or given as a gift.

For the holy month of Ramadan in Mecca, authorities built a wall enclosure in the Haram for women to pray there so men will not be able to see them. However, this has also blocked women’s visibility of the Ka‘ba while they perform their prayers. The tawaf (circumambulation) for women has also been restricted to certain times. We don’t know if these changes are permanent or just for Ramadan.

In Medina, of the seven mosques at the site of the Battle of the Trench (Jabal al-Khandaq), where Sura al-Ahzab was revealed, only two remain. The others have been demolished and a Saudi bank’s cashpoint machine has been built in the area. The remaining mosques will be demolished as soon as the new mosque being constructed is ready. One of the mosques slated for destruction is Masjid Fath, the mosque and rock of victory, where the Prophet stood during the battle of the trench praying for victory. On the rock is where he received God’s promises of victory and of the conquest of Mecca.

So Israel does something to spruce up the area, and to bring more tourist, while the ignorant idiots curse Israel. Israel is too humble and conservative to be living around a bunch of idiots ! Don't worry, anything happens to Israel, and I'm sure we'll turn it all to a sea of glass.

I think it would be best if all of the Jews came to America. I mean we could give you California to rest, like you do not already own it anyways. Then Iran could bomb all the holy sights they want. And then we could bomb, Mecca, Medina, the temple mount. Al aqsa, and do it without killing Jews. Just a thought, but how else can we deal with an enemy that is at all of your fronts? Holy sights should be looked upon, not defended year after year. Let them cook up a storm. Let us bomb Palestine, and Syria. Ultimatum, Jews leave, let us be able to pinpoint the aggressors. Then you can have it back.

Exodus, movement of the people. Quit fighting, and just leave. From my standpoint, you are the problem! How can we kill what you fight, when you are dead smack in the mix? Partition, leave, do whatever you have to do. Leave the holy sight to be reckoned with. Leave it! Let it be a God awful waste of space. Glass pack. You can have it back, trust me. Hiroshima is back, Nagasaki is back. You can come back, after we take care of the mess.

Watching 24 tonight, everything was all set up. With CAIR sitting behind the cameras, President Wayne bets the nation on tracking down the tactical nukes in the clutches of Moslem activists by putting a Moslem activist on national TV to implore Moslem moderates to help avert a great Jihad victory. Then, it turns out the real bad guys are Jack Bauer's brother and father, not to mention the cabal of JudeoChristians sneaking around in the bowels of the White House.

Ibrahim Hooper is unhappy that 24 would associate Moslems with nuclear explosions, even despite the fact that President Mahmoud talks longingly of Jihad nukes frequently, as does the squalid (but well named) Mohammed el-Katatny pf the Egyptian parliament.

Hoop emasculated 24 a few years ago, and his magic with script censorship is back this season. Go figure.

They want nukes, I say we give it to them.

A poster above appears to believe that if all the Jews in Israel simply pack up, then the
West can simply rein down bombs on the entire area. This notion assumes

1) the likelihood of the Jews of Israel packing up and leaving, their ancient homeland, for which they waited nearly 2000 years to re-establish: that likelihood is 0 and

2) the likelihood of the world's Christian believers allowing that area to be taken over by Muslims who would, of course, then feel powerful enough to prevent Christians from coming, as the Seljuk conquerors did in the 11th century and

3) the likelihood that a Western world that cannot even take the most reasonable minimum precaustions, as in ceasing to permit Saudi money into the West to pay for mosques and madrasas, to spread propaganda, and to buy up armies of Western hirelings, and certainly has not begun to think clearly about the need to halt all Muslim immigration and to find ways to expel -- on the model of the Benes Decree of Czechoslovakia, the most advanced and tolerant state in Eastern or Central Europe, in 1946 -- that somehow this Western world will manage to decide to bomb the entire Muslim world.

4) that even if this extraordinary suggestion of bombing the entire Arab and Muslim world (which appears to be what he is suggesting) it does not follow that the Jews of Israel need remove themselves. They are not in the way, just as the Copts and Maronites are not in the way if attacks were made on Hezbollah or on the Egyptian army should that country be ruled not merely by the corrupt regime of Mubarak, but fall into the hands of the Ikhwan, who would be even worse.

Utterly fantastic ideas, and with notes in them that are likely, if further developed, to require that other action be taken. And of course it will.

These people are just freaks - only complete idiots could think that backwards.

Israeli excavations near the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem sparked angry reactions on Monday from Egyptian parliament members, including one who said only a nuclear bomb could stop Israel.
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This is such a ludicrous pretext for violence. This is seldom mentioned, but the Waqf (Muslim council in charge of the Muslim compound on the temple mount) OK'd the renovation work two years ago. The ramp is not remotely close to Al-Aksa or any other Mosque, and so could not concievably cause damage to foundations.

Gramfam wrote: If the mosque falls down or some accident occurs then they will blame the Israelis for lack of maintenance. Can't win with these creeps.

This is just what I was thinking! Maintenance and organization are so poor in most Muslim nations--you are always hearing about horrifying accidents where hundreds get crushed or burned to death in some stampede at the Hadj, or hundreds of buildings collapsing in a minor quake that would just cause superficial damage in California or Japan. This tends to be the case even where there is so lack of resourses, like in Saudi Arabia.

Also, the response of the Egyptian PM--so much for Egypt's "recognition" of Israel. This "recognition" is pretty superficial.

Note to SFOD: you should know that few hard-line Muslims believe in evolution of any kind.

"The Destruction of Holy Sites in Mecca and Medina" - interesting article.

Maybe the destruction of Meccan holy sites has something to do with the earlier (1972) find of the pre-Uthman qur'an fragments found in Yemen - perhaps there is some kind of 'inconvenient truth' that needs to be buried?.

el-Katatny must be hanging out much with Ahmadinejad lately.

SFOD;
Lets not destroy the idea of evolutionary advance with islam, the faith has stopped all forward movement to the light. Natural selection has more truth in it's view, and islam fails there as well.

It will not survive if it continues to shape the world in it's image, natural selection will leave islam behind. Islam is a dead end.

Posted by: gravenimage

you should know that few hard-line Muslims believe in evolution of any kind.

An example of islamic evolution

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/02/sick-al-waqia-58-61.html

Many if not most opinions that counter Islam's claim point out the Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Quran and did not occupy any special role in Islam until recent political exigencies transformed Jerusalem into Islam's third holy site.

It was created by the Grand Mufti, Haj Amin al Husseini. The Mufti knew that nationalist slogans alone would not succeed in uniting the masses against arriving Jewish refugees.

He therefore turned the struggle into a religious conflict. He addressed the masses clearly, calling for a holy war.

His battle cry was simple and comprehensive: "Down with the Infidels!" From the time Herbert Samuel appointed him to the position of Mufti, Haj Amin worked vigorously to raise Jerusalem's status as an Islamic holy center.

He renovated the mosques on the Temple Mount, while conducting an unceasing campaign regarding the imminent Jewish "threat" to Moslem holy sites

El-Buraq Myth
Early Islamic scholars, with no particular political agenda, interpreted Mohammed's dream flight to El-Aksa (the furthest place) was to a Islamic heavenly place where the purest and most holy mosque which would be in the courtyard of Allah.

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/12/some-thing-to-think-about.html

Qubbat’ al-Thanaya (the burial site of the Prophet’s incisor that was broken in the battle of Uhud).

Wow, how terribly reverant. The burial site of a Tooth.

I guess I will have to chew on that one.

" Muslims who fear the work will harm the foundations of al-Aqsa mosque."

......Muslims should know that if Israel wanted to damage or destroy the al-Aqsa Mosque, they would certainly attack it with more than picks and shovels and a backhoe...Muslims...what a bunch of 7th century morons....cannot even recognize a sidewalk repair job (come to think of it...most of them do not have any kind of job...)...Muslims think if you can see a Jew, you should be trying to kill the Jew...

It always seems to me that a keep strand of American Foreign Policy in the ME is trying to keep Muslim Radicals out of power.

American foreign aid is so large to Eygpt so as to keep Mubarak in power, not the Muslim brotherhood.
Similar considerations apply to countries like Algeria and Turkey.

Let’s be honest: American foreign policy is prepared to turn a blind eye to a few rigged elections.

The State Department seems to believe, with very good reason, that a Radical Muslim’s idea of democracy is “one man, one vote, once.”

Once an Islamic theocratic regime gains power it will crush the rights of it’s minorities and never relinquish power voluntarily.
Democracy does not mean and never has meant, the majority is always right – which is why the US views the rise of Islamist parties with so much concern.

Having said all this I have to ask: whatever possessed George Bush to think that democracy would work in Iraq?

It seems to be against the wisdom of his own State Department.
Did they advise him about this? Did he simply ignore the advice?

It is frightening to have someone who seems so intellectually challenged in the Oval Office.

It’s amazing how few people understand the term ”Neo-Con.” This refers to someone who occupies the centre ground in politics. A genuine conservative, further to the right, would have looked at Islamic history and expressed much greater scepticism of the ability of a country like Iraq to change it’s political culture in a few short years. It may take centuries if it can be done at all. Any time frame which doesn’t think in decades is almost certainly ludicrously optimistic.

The question remains: why are there apparently two strains of thinking in American Foreign Policy?

"Egyptian MP: Nothing will work with Israel except nuclear bomb that will wipe it out of existence'

...of course, Muslims have never tried peace.....

"That cursed Israel is trying to destroy al-Aqsa mosque," Mohammed el-Katatny of President Hosni Mubarak's National Democratic Party (NDP) told a heated parliament session held to discuss the Israeli digging.

"Nothing will work with Israel except for a nuclear bomb that wipes it out of existence," he said.
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Somehow we think that will keep Isreal from being attacked (the head tax or Islamic protection money). What this guy is really saying is our head tax is about to go up.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at February 12, 2007 07:27 PM
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the head tax will soon be paid with mushroom clouds across the middle east........

And think of all those 'poor Palestinians' the Middle Eastern Muslims will kill by nuking Israel.

Does this infer that the Palestinian 'cause' was a sham to begin with?

You bet it does.

Once again Hugh spoke rationaly to a distorted portrayal of frustration. One would begin to believe that he is truly gifted, or would have always known.