A poster at this website recently observed: "In Dubai, you see many, many Muslim teenagers of both sexes shopping like crazy and buying Western-style clothes and products. Even though beauty pageants are frowned upon in Muslim societies, they thrive in Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Egypt, and Lebanon. All over North America and Europe, Muslim communities even hold their own pageants and allowing the women to wear swimsuits or bikinis. In Cote d'Azur in France and on the beaches of Spain and Italy, you see many Middle Eastern women sunbathing topless or virtually naked. When you do a search in iTunes for French or German rap music, you will see a long list of artists of Middle Eastern/Muslim persuasion."
This posting appears to suggest that the ideology of Islam somehow is breaking down, because Middle Easterners go shopping just as Infidels do, and there are beauty pageants and so on.
This is common. Many believe that American pop culture is not the cause of jihad, as Dinesh D’Souza claims, but its remedy: as soon as Muslims fall in love with Britney Spears, they will lay down their arms. But this is partly irrelevant and partly exaggerated. As for shopping -- so what? If the same frantic spending goes on in the Islamic world as in the West, or actually far more so, what does that prove? There is nothing to do in Dubai, there is nothing to do in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, except to shop, shop, shop (or go home and use your domestics, those semi-slaves from abroad, in any way you see fit) or to pray. What does that mean about attitudes toward Infidels? It means nothing. The non-stop consumerism of Arabs and Muslims shows only that they are hypocritical in their attacks on the "consumerist" West.
And the same goes for drug use, which is so widespread in Teheran, for example, or behind the hotel doors of so many rich Saudis and other Arabs. And as for prostitution and pornography, nothing in the West rivals what the Arabs are routinely involved with. Use your imaginations. You know what sums of money they possess. You have been able to experience them, in any capital of the West. Figure it out.
These beauty pageants? A handful, and only in a few places where Islam is deliberately constrained. Why this should be cause for Infidel rejoicing is unclear. And the fact that some Middle Eastern women may, here and there, behave differently when allowed to, on the European littoral of the Mediterranean, means nothing as far as the essential malevolence toward Infidels inculcated by Islam goes.
Why is such trivia constantly brought up, as if to divert Infidel attention from the main thing? The main thing is not whether Muslim men allow, here and there, Muslim women to do this or to do that. The main thing is how, in Islam, a division between Believer and Infidel is inculcated, and a state of permanent war between Dar al-Islam and dar al-Harb is mandated. And Muslims are keenly aware of the duty, collectively or sometimes individually, to support the Jihad fi sabil Allah, Jihad in the path of Allah, to remove all obstacles to the spread of Islam wherever they may exist, and to work for this using whatever instruments are available and effective. The goal is that Islam dominates, and Muslims rule, everywhere.
There are differences in the means chosen or preferred (terrorism, the money weapon, Da'wa, demographic conquest). There are differences in the time frame -- see the Slow Jihad of Mahmoud Abbas and Fatah (they want that Western money, they want that Jizyah faucet turned on again), and the Fast Jihad of Meshaal and Hamas (they don't want to pretend for one minute, even to get that Jizyah from the Infidels, that they have a goal other than the ultimate destruction of Israel or, for that matter, any other Infidel state or power that might exist in what was once a Muslim possession -- and of course, ultimately there is no different treatment to be meted out to those parts of the world that were never part of dar al-Islam).
Why exaggerate the trivial, as if it were of some comfort? If there is a topless beach, for the Christians no doubt, in Lebanon -- so what? What does that have to do with the beliefs and consequent menace of the primitive masses of Muslims, in the Middle East, and now in Western Europe as well?
Brilliantly spot on by Hugh. As some poster once observed "you are indeed a treasure".
Reposting my comments in another thread:
"Finn:
"let me state that young muslim women choosing western lifestyle are a serious threat for the mullahs".
Don't be naive. Diabolically svelte and media savvy Shabana azmisss, Shahrukh Amir khansss would not hesitate to shed clothes and do whatever "if the role demands it" (or sport Sacred Ash with Kumkum on their foreheads) BUT at heart are very much jihadists. Ditto for their men appearing "Westernized".
Posted by: Crows&Cows at February 10, 2007 04:19 AM
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Didn't members of Atta's crew go out for drinks while they were living in the US and planning their attacks?
Must have been moderates...
Hugh is absolutely correct. What happens in America stays in America. Las Vegas also!
This is a BIG problem from my perspective and the backlash to D'Souza is making it worse! I have seen postings, all over the web, that radical Muslims just need to be "sexualized" to western standards. That the problem of jihad could be solved if only their "moral repression" were destroyed.
Having a half-dozen wives as young as 12 doesn't sound like repression to me. And it is no secret that their pornography consumption would make Mark Cromer blush. They have just as much access to the "carnal pleasures" as anyone else does. Remember that some of the 9/11 highjackers went bar hopping before they did their murdering in the skies.
The argument does not make sense to me. I do not believe it for one second.
Muslims can be quite pretentious. Outwardly they may appear ever so chaste but I've heard plenty about what goes on "behind the scenes". From child rape to beastiality. Not a pretty picture.
right. if restraint and virtue was the problem then why aren't the devout of other religions murdering people?
Elizabeth, they went bar-hopping at strip clubs no less.
more consumerism only makes for a well dressed jihadist. not a more tolerant one.
There are a few signs of intercultural dialogue but his isn’t one of them.
A genuine sign? Something like the orchestra Daniel Barenboim founded, comprised of a mixture of young Israeli and Arab musicians.
There are Arabs who appreciate Mahler, Shostakovich and Beethoven? Apparently so.
This may be taken as an example of woolly-minded, liberal thinking but an ability to appreciate this sort of culture might be taken as a benchmark of genuine civilization.
I know it normal on this website to knock Francis Fukuyama but his book “The end of History and the Last Man” contained one insight which is very relevant here.
He said that most of the world was moving towards markets and democracy, except, the Arab/Islamic part of the world which seemed unable to make the leap.
Did he have any theories on why this was so? No, it seems.
However, other parts of the world seemed to be embracing not only markets and democracy but also Western Culture.
You only have to watch a piano competition nowdays – half and sometimes the majority of contestants come from places like China and South Korea.
Why are so few Muslims performing Mozart at these competitions? Something to do with the belief-system of Islam?
So unfortunately, at the moment we have Eastern Asia/West intercultural dialogue but very little Middle East/Western intercultural dialogue.
Muslim young men going to beaches to ogle topless girls is not really a sign of cultural advance.
I am sure there is many a rape victim who would testify to that.
If I ever hear Muslims discussing the finer points of an interpretation of a Beethoven piano sonata then that I will take as a sign of hope.
No, I don't think "sexualization" per se would make a difference. Young Muslim men don't need more sex. They need to start thinking of young Muslim women as equals.
I am convinced that women's liberation would do more to undercut Islamic radicalism than any other social advance in the Muslim world. The entire Muslim culture is based on dominance and force--you want women, you force them to marry you in an arranged marriage. You want territory, wage jihad. In Pakistan, an astonishing 85% of wives report being beaten by their husbands. The President of the U.S. should make a speech at the United Nations in which he says: "To all married women on planet Earth: The next time your husband tries to hit you, kill him in self-defense." Such a revolution would totally upset the world order like nothing that has ever come before.
That some Muslim women are now allowed Western ways of becoming objectified is no gain for them, they are still objects.
Living in Franfurt, GE in the cold war years I used to joke that Elton John and Pepsi and blue jeans would take down the USSR.
Unfortunately in Islam the sex thing is all about GUILT. Denial of the basic needs, love trust tenderness, etc. creates a rage that is the basis of Satin's death cult. I don't think there is any better motivator than self denial.
Just think, one of the first stories in the Bible is about Forbidden Fruit.
freedomschool: I'd rather be a Western object than an islamic object. Heavin forbid I should gaze at a man to long. Stoning would be in order if I were islamic.
This westernization leads to the inevitable "humiliation" and "alienation" we've heard so much about. Then comes "marginalization" leading to eventual explosive self immolation. Though it may reduce some of the symptoms of "Islamophobia."
Muslim shopping malls and beauty pagents are mere potemkin villages---for them as well as for us
I don't know about the present rules. But some years back an Arab who had checked in with his wife in a five star hotel of Tatas in Mumbai had asked for a "prostitute". It was the WIFE who was instructing the woman on doing various orgies with both. What started in the evening went non stop through the entire night. The utterly traumatized and bruised woman threw herself from the top floor and committed suicide.
It was then, the Tatas decided not to allow any Arabs to check in. Of course, no questions asked. No whimper. Nothing at all.
During their ramadan, an indian muslim woman (svelte dandy) told me their hadiths prescribe no sleeping with your partner during few hours in the day but can compensate all during the rest of the hours non stop as "reward".
Wake up! Many of their women too are equal (even worse) perverts and not poor victims. In Arab countries the orgies of their womenfolk behind their husbands' back is known to many.
It was his wife (wives ) too who played a role behind all those "manipulative verses and revelations".
Muslims invented beauty pageants. Muslims invented bikinis. Muslims invented everything that is good in the world, including shopping malls, automobiles, eyeglasses, the zero, writing, arithmetic, science, medicine, knowledge, the human soul, atoms, God, etc.
This is what Muslims believe about the world around them.
According to many or most Muslims, these developments and innovations are not manifestations of Western improvements, but they actually eminate only from Islam -- as such, things like jeans, iPods, cell phones, malls, laser surgery are simply manifestations of Allah's wonderfulness on earth in the form of his pure, true religion; Islam...
To the Muslim, only Islam is best.
To the Muslim, Islam is all.
To the Muslim, only Islam can be above all other things.
This requires psychotic genuflection, and wild distortions of reality in order to stand up to scrutiny.
Since Islam is the best, the highest, the truth, all that is good in the world must therefore spring from Islam only, and all that is good is the gift of Allah to his chosen people, the Muslims.
They can therefore discard and ignore reality. They can therefore be perfectly good Muslims while appearing to partake of all manner of non-Muslim things. It is foolish for us to infer that shopping consumer Muslims are coopted out of Islam. They can distort these things to comply with Islam very magically and easily, given their complete adherence to Islam and it's intrinsic superiority.
We'd must become familiar with the peculiar way Muslims have developed a parasitic culture which convinces itself that only Islam is good, and that all other things outside of Islam are cheap imitations.
I once read at this site the postings of an arrogant bizarre Muslim son of a surgeon. He had the triumphal arrogance to suggest that if Muslim doctors turned their backs on the Westerners in American hosipitals, we'd be left dying of infections and be forced to live without lifesaving medicines and interventions. Nevermind the fact that his father no doubt got his credentials from a non-Muslim university in America -- nevermind the fact that his father's entire knowledge base is founded on non-Muslim discoveries and non-Muslim inventions. Nevermind the fact that his father's salary is entirely paid by non-Muslim dollars and non-Muslim hardworking Americans. This arrogant little Muslim poster had convinced himself so fully of his own superiority as a Muslim that all good flowed from that fact -- and that the mere withholding of Muslim largesse to the West in the context of medicine would bring the unworthy undeserving sad sack infidels to our knees.
Islam is a psychotic parasitic culture of un-reality. The sickly miasma of the Islamic mindset has Muslims convinced that the sewage byproduct of their Islamic hell-hole culture is not evidence of the failure of Islamic insufficiency in the modern world -- their failures are soley the fault of Satan, the Jews, and the imperialistic non-Muslim Christian Crusaders who steal their wealth and sully their goodness on earth. They have also convinced themselves that the triumphs of the modern world, such as they are, are solely the province and gift of Allah. Any appearance that non-Muslim culture is superior to Islamic culture, or appearance that the Muslim is inferior to his non-Muslim counterpart is simply a dastardly trick of evil, a distortion of reality.
Islam requires the Muslim to place Islam above all else -- evidence which contradicts this edict must be destroyed and discarded.
So despite the staggering evidence that Islam is a heinous cruel and insane failure, the psychosis Muslims suffer from in the world forces them to concoct wild conspiracy theories to make their crazy world a cohesive seeming reality.
They are an insane people, shackled by a fantasy based non-rational construct. We will either need to shake them from their psychosis of Islam, or we will need to visit great violence upon them until their psychosis stops posing an existential threat to our culture.
emanate -- sorry.
"There are a few signs of intercultural dialogue but his isn’t one of them.
A genuine sign? Something like the orchestra Daniel Barenboim founded, comprised of a mixture of young Israeli and Arab musicians."
-- from a posting above
The supposedly heartwarmning spectacle of young Jews and Arabs in that Edward Said-Barenboim orchestra is in fact completely an instrument of Said's views-- now carried on by his equally sinister wife Mariam, and of course with Barenboim as the most useful of plump musical idiots -- to convince the Jewish donors that this is a Good Thing, allowing "Jews and Arabs to come together playing music." But the Orchestra is in fact a vehicle for avoiding the real subjects that matter. Instead, it's all FeelGood but FeelGood with a heavy dose of the poor naive Isareli members having to agree either to a series of implied or explicit mea-culpas ("yes, we are in the wrong") as the political atmosphere is heavily weighted -- what else would it be, as it was a product of Said and fellow-travelling Daniel Barenboim, and is now a tool of Said's widow and the same, utterly-ignorant-of-Islam-and-the-Lesser Jihad Barenboim-- in favor of, at best, moral symmetry (which itself is absurd), or at worst, a complete taking of the Arab side.
It's not the music that matters in that orchestra. It's the politics. It's what that orchestra, that "making music" by "Arabs and Jws" -- sorry, "Palestinians" and Israelis-- that the whole thing is transparently about.
Don't fall for it. Not a bit of it.
jsla,
Great post !
Odyessus:
"If I ever hear Muslims discussing the finer points of an interpretation of a Beethoven piano sonata then that I will take as a sign of hope".
Please don't. Like atta who took flight lessons, someone might do that to con you. Those who designed concentration camps were ruthless engineers.
with a heavy dose of the poor naive Isareli members having to agree either to a series of implied or explicit mea-culpas ("yes, we are in the wrong")
And of course, we know that even a 50/50 equivalence would be a lie.
The other angle on Muslim consumerism is that the Muslim can continue to believe that the Western globalist economics that makes Muslim participation in consumerism possible is wicked, even as they, the Muslims, continue to participate avidly in it, through a simple equation: it is anticipatory jihad booty.
Hugh,
Concerning consumerism, you might be interested in Muslim attitude towards European products in the 18th century which is illustrated in French consular reports from the 17th, 18th and 19th century from Beirut, Sidon and Tripoli (published in Adil Ismail, Documents diplomatiques et consulaires relatifs a l'histoire du Liban et des pays du Proche-Orient du XVII siecle a nos jours. Beirut: Editions des oeuvres politiques et historiques, 1975-1994).
All these reports show that, except for wine and other haram materials, European products were bought by Muslims, sometimes to the same extent of modern Muslim consumerism. Sometimes the balance was for European exports.
Commerce between Dar al-Harb and Dar al-Islam dates to the beginning of Islam. Commerce with Infidels was never forbidden in Islamic law even in periods of war, which were usually longer than periods of hudnah. We shouldn't forget that the Silk Road, crossed by Marco Polo, passed mainly through Dar al-Islam.
Mustang65: Best is not to be an object at all. It's a sick parody of freedom to allow these women only the Western things that are compatible with male dominance and mindless hedonism and say: "See how free they are?"
"emanate -- sorry."
No need to apologize, jsla, we are all (even the noble Hugh) guilty of letting our enthusiasm outrun our proofreading.
It would be nice if there was an edit feature here. It would save many of us (Ye Olde Beastie included) from being caught with our typographical pnats down.
(typo intentional...this time.)
"There is nothing to do in Dubai, there is nothing to do in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, except to shop, shop, shop"
how true how true. Having worked in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia I can attest to the fact that there is nothing to do there but to go shopping. The only recreation activities occur on the company compounds.
Saudi youths who had access to the Aramco Dhahran compound would arrive and change into western clothing so they could interact with the Saudi and Western girls.
Saudis wanted to live in the compound because it was freer than the outside world.
take away the oil and they would be back in the 7th century
" take away the oil and they would be back in the 7th century "
Posted by: pak152
But I recall reading that saudis have wired whatever ( sorry not tech savvy ) all their oilfields so that should and when they die ( as they are not afraid of death ) all those oil wells will burn and the survivors don't get anything. Also that they have been building the most secure wall around to fence out Iranian brotherhood from spilling into their sands. And Pukistan of course knows ALL of it . SO DOES INDIA .
They are so ahimsaic that cannot resist befriending such ahimsaic thisisnotislamists.
The other day I was perplexed to see that the Muslim personal trainer at the local LifeTime Fitness, who wears a scarf covering her hair and always long pants and sleeves, was putting on make-up (using what we call a foundation on her face). Now -- I do not understand, why, if you believe that your hair would tempt or otherwise be considered seductive to the opposite sex, (who evidently has absolutely NO CONTROL over their sexual needs but is ok to run your government, finances etc) why - why - why (?) would it be permissable (or even logical) to wear makeup (whose only purpose is to enhance the appearance of the wearer)???? Maybe there is Muslim women out there that can comment..............??
Last year, if I remember correctly, there was a major Picasso retrospective in Istambul/Occupied Constantinople.
It would probably only appeal to the small number of Turks/Muslims who are at all westernized.
If you are a passionate arts lover, like me, you do tend to believe that culture can be a bridge-building exercise - that doesn't mean I agree with everything Bernard Lewis says.
I would probably take this as a small sign of hope though Hugh would probably disagree
sheiknbake4pork ,
I am Hindu but am fairly competent enough to answer. You should read a short essay on CURIOSITY by RK Narayan wherein he points out the rewards of being curious .
Under their all black dunno its name hijab or abaya they wear stunningly provocative outfits...Can really groom themselves with consummate attention to detail. Also do strength training workouts with homegyms etc etc all culled from West. They have not just one or two maids to help them. IT is utterly butterly ostentatious lifestyle . I am really at a loss for words to describe it. Each family is so distinctly richiericher than the other. Among themselves, their shaking hands or mandatory greetings style ( all put on mostly as with most of us too) is all hierarchy based. Several tiers like superior tribe, inferior tribe ...and so on.
Leaving the rest to your imagination.
Only Hindus are world's readily available convenient non retaliatory punching bag for "casteist" (sic) pummelling.
sheiknbake4pork ,
To add to my post above. Apropos all those ohsohapless helpless cinderellas to be rescued and rehabilitated... I quote RK Narayan:
" The kitchen is the most powerful arsenal in the hands of a woman..."
Who else do you think their boys get such fiendish recipes from....of adding " freeze dried faeces to food meant for Infidels " ??
But one thing amazing about their agility or skills. Even with full covering abayahijab they swim with lithe speed .
Notice, the "looking for solutions" mode has kicked in. Thus far, we have: "shopping" as solution (note, however, that there is no middle class in S. Arabia -- there are no entrepreneurs -- it's all based on the sale of a resource, a commodity called oil -- the Saudi economy is also known as a "rentier state" -- they are akin to rent collectors -- they're not creatively generating the wealth); then there's "beauty pageants" as if this were "women's lib" -- and simply having a GW Bush announcing to the world that women who are beaten should rise up against their oppressors -- it's not gonna happen with Islam -- Manji the other day on Glenn Beck showed a picture of what traditionally happens to disobedient wives -- they are hanged by their tongues, or by their hair, until dead; then, there's Western music appreciation -- I can only say, more wishful thinking -- I recall from reading some Holocaust literature (sorry, I've forgotten the source), but it was a murderous nazi who wept while listening to the "beautiful music", he was sobbing uncontrollably, yet the very next day, he was back at "work" assigning Jews to death camps (I believe more about this anecdote came from Vygotsky -- it was about what Vygotsky termed the "aesthetic fallacy" -- the fallacy that suggests that you could create a moral individual by exposing the person to great literature -- Vygotsky dismissed the idea.)
Vygotsky makes his first, and welcome, appearance, but possibly not his last, at this website.
"To all married women on planet Earth: The next time your husband tries to hit you, kill him in self-defense." Such a revolution would totally upset the world order like nothing that has ever come before".
The comment posted above convinces me that whoever came up with such a fartwa ( no typo FARTWA it is ) cannot but be mohd bin thuglaq/ qutbuddinaibak/ iltumish/akbar/aurangazeb.....
If Lady Macbeth had been decapitated by Macbeth alacritously, he could have spared himself whatever unfolded for eternity.
Adding to my post above :
However, by default the fartwa spitter has come out with the appropriate words. Read it again carefully :
" would totally upset the world order like nothing that has ever come before ".
Recall Kevin Bacon listening and hearing over and over again in " Mystic River " ?
If Jack Nicholson had not hit Her (Faye Dunaway was She ? (or else Hugh the perfectionist would wince ;) (now that is a quip , please smile ) in ChinaTown would he have ever known ? Would have autopilotingly smoked and dissippated his life.
But why give such an inappropriate name Chinatown.. CHINA is perfectly sane. Now enlighten me somebody .
The REally normal, sane, non uppity USBeast, bring to my mind AmericaninGermany , Limes , Eisenhund (who never ever left my mind ) etc . I yearn for their comments. God Bless !
" Notice, the "looking for solutions" mode has kicked in "
J.S. That is IMMENSE cause for IMMENSE cheer ahead ! Now we should ahem....thisnot....handwringing.....ahem....whattodo.....we are looking into it ahem.....SATURN and MARS only are doing all this youknow youknow.....
Recall John Cleese's :
" Sylvester Stallone did not reach where he is today by playing Jane Austen movies ".......
ISLAMFORLOSERS also of course:))
And Jeff Bergholzz (sorry spelling can't recall)
and all THE UNCONQUERED who passionately intervened asking Robert Spencer not to censor TRUTH in the guise of moderation as certain uppity uptight supercilious snooty priggish foppish coquettish squeamish vestalvirgin devonshirecreamy dresden china dainties panties thongs were allegedly purportedly imagining, falsely , susurrations of tremors of painlike peristaltic movements in their ETRNALLY DAMNED EVIL carcassy innards .
And Thank You to Robert Spencer always of course.
THink of two things:
1) Mohammad Atta's frequenting of bars and strip clubs did not lessen his zeal for jihad, death and mayhem.
2) The comfortable Muslim, the secure muslim may indeed be more willing to chat pleasantly and to refrain from decapitating the infidel. But this presumes that the infidel will be properly submissive (submission that is either secured by enforced political dhimmitude or simulated by the use of the Muslim's wealth: a few millions can buy a lot of submission.)
In other words, the fawning diplomats, academics, concierges, stylists, prostitutes and other sycophants--their pliant stupefaction induced by the chloroform of hard currency--have the same look and feel, provide the same comforting balm, as the dhimmi.
PRes. Carter and his ilk are like a woman who mistakes fine dining and custom jewelry for love. Vanity undoes both sorts: they must love me for my beauty/brilliance, and that is why they lavish the gifts and speak so benevolently. Rather, it is a mere gratuity: a common practice of giving a token of appreciation--a consolation prize--to those who allow themselves to be used.
On the "aesthetic fallacy."
Who is more likely to mug you?
A lover of hip-hop or a lover of Mozart?
As for the Nazis, they have always seemed to me an aberration of Western Civilization.
Don’t forget Hitler’s favourite composer was Wagner – I’m sometimes tempted to think that “Classical Heavy Metal” might be the most accurate description of his music. Hitler’s other cultural tastes? Pompous, overblown architecture etc,etc………
By the way, I don’t take a deterministic view of culture; that it can somehow be used to program people to be sensitive, decent etc. I am too much of a realist.
Read the novel “A Clockwork Orange” if you want an insight into how illusory determistic philosophies can be – and yet how there can be a moral potential among squalor.
"Who's more apt to mug you: A lover of hip-hop or a lover of Mozart?"
If one is conducting sociological research, then one must always make sure that one's variables are not conflated. Consider the following.
Suppose you are a researcher working for a perfume maker. You want to know which scent is preferred. So you have females dab on the perfume, and then you ask male participants in your study, which females did they prefer? a potential problem with your study is that the more attractive females will get higher ratings, and it won't be a measure about the perfume at all, just the physical attractiveness of those wearing the perfume. thus you have two variables, the perfume's scent, and the attractiveness of the females, and the two are conflated. (There are ways to eliminate this problem, but I suppose you get my point.)
Ditto for hip-hop vs Mozart -- what variables are being potentially conflated here? socio-economic status? race? if you don't control for these factors, then you can't say that "Yeah, fewer muggers listen to Mozart!" or believe that the variable of mugging is controlled by which music one listens to (it could be the factor of economics, or socioeconomics, class status, etc., not music).
" As for the Nazis, they have always seemed to me an aberration of Western Civilization ".
Comment posted above. I also am exxtreeeaamely convinced so. Recall G.C. Scott ( PATTON )'s PERCEPTIVEly PITHY observations in the movie Oh how HE TOO IS (Such GEMS NEVER PERISH...hence no "was ") so patently GARROTTED by GODDAMEDDD asssaaalaamulaikumaacommunistmarxist (CHHHE((((polllitical CCorrectness .
No Gratitude at all . We dissippate our spirits and Peace by clusters of words to justify and allow EVIL to grow and exist THAT is IT . PERIOD .
Spare me all ismsities extenuating theories....to say someone up there in earth cut into 7 pieces violently trying to gobble up SUN ( HE TOO BELONGS to assalaamulaikumaal yes of course don't fartwas oral methane acids puhleeezzzzzzzzeeeeee whose calories come from ALMONDS from AMERICA Saffron from Ohgod....not to mention DIVINE MILK.......I am TTTTttRRRRembling the hindu that ran with short legs on the earth cut into.....all ZZZZIONIST ploy. AHH GOTCHHA now ...
ZEUS ....Make MY DAY....PLeeaseeeeee.
ZEPHYRR..........
I AM THE SUPREME CASTEIST HINDU OF VEDIC HERITAGE.......so I also know certain susurating lilting POTENT VEDIC MANTHRAMS....
Thank You ARUNACHALA..........for reinvigorating me.
Warning : asssaalamulaikumaalthisisnotislamists are NEVEREVERFOREVER ALSO AUTHORISED PERSONNEL to recite. and if you do so at your OWN PERRRIL. This is not made up by me.
So drk lurkers sss out there with peristaltic
rupturesss .. planning peregrinations... and perambulations.... for PYRRRIC pulverisationssss.
Appaahdaah !
Crows&Cows, My God what is it that you smoke? I try to follow your thoughts but I always seem to get violently flung off into thin air! Please start with "ARUNACALA".
An Infidel seeking light.
Davegreybeard,
Bear with me for a while. Right now I am full of RAGE. Someother time.