Hérouxville drops some rules from controversial code

They are French, I didnt expect them to hold out.

"no stoning of women in public"

But I am sure it's okay if they do it in private. No problems with that, I suppose.

SSHHHH, do not want barbaric elements of islamic culture to become common knowledge.
Only a dhimmi can walk upright under a pregnant ant...

Well, just so long as they keep those nasty Sikh's from wearing the kirpin, and those nasty Jews from wearing those skullcaps in public, that French-Canadian culture will survive intact.

The principles they stand for remain. The articles of the code dropped represent items already covered under the Criminal Code of Canada and are redundant and not required. The articles that they kept are not covered and/or are hard to enforce without clear statements being made initially on societal norms, and are issues that need to be pushed and clearly stated to preserve modern society. However, without references to stoning women in public and other Islamic Fundamentalist attrocities, they would not have gotten anything remotely like the attention they deserved to receive.

Damn.......just when I thought there was hope for Canada. Well, anyway, at least they brought some of these issues to the attention of the public. It amazed me that Canadian muslim groups protested Herouxville's code of conduct when nowhere were muslims mentioned !
Takes one to know one, I guess.

This isn't a bad position to take - as long as they dig their heels in on the other more substantive and subtle issues. Why get one's shorts in a knot over issues that are clearly banned in law and would never stand up to a Charter challenge period.

Here is some interesting background information on recent events. Note by the way that the only groups protesting are ...... MUSLIMS! That's right folks, all of the other ethnic groups don't appear to be too exercised over this. Indian Hindus wearing saris, Chinese Buddhists, etc. are conspicuous by their absence.

Poet denies blanket attack on Quebecers

"A Lebanese Montrealer is defending a poem he wrote in which a Muslim woman praises the wearing of the hijab and calls non-believers drunken sluts."

"The friends of Hezbollah thank Quebecers by calling their daughters sluts," is the headline of one comment posted to the online forum of Liberty Vox.com, a French site."

"This poem is in bad taste," a writer named Abdelkarim Mohammed commented on Mr. Martineau's site."

"It juxtaposes the modesty and humility of Muslim women with the 'depravity' of Quebec women."

"Most Muslim women in Montreal do not wear the hijab, he noted."

"But they're feeling the pressure of veiled women who are preaching and propagandizing for the veil."

"The poem, by Haydar Moussa, was written in French and published three weeks ago in an Arab-language Montreal newspaper."

"It has been posted on the Internet, in blogs and discussion groups and been called an outrage and the work of hypocritical fanatics."

My veil is not a kerchief," reads the poem, titled Letter to You."

"It's my skin/My modesty, my dignity, my respect./And if you, old-stock immigrant woman/You have neither faith nor law/And you spent your youth drunk/And went from one male to the next/ That's not the case for me."

Such nice people. I expect this link to the National Post artice is a pay site.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=fe4cc6cf-d682-4a24-bf4b-cfbd3dc40662&p=1

Here is the above noted poem in its entirety:

LETTER TO YOU

"To whom it may concern

To the person

Who feels targeted

Who asked you to express yourself

Who gave you the right to speak

To bark like dogs in the street

Only to insult

Judge and say things

Insensitive and damned

That's not freedom of expression

So stop talking about freedom

If you don't know what it means

Stop talking about democracy

If you behave like a tyrant

Stop talking about dignity

If your words are disrespectful

My veil is not a kerchief

It's my skin

My modesty, My dignity, My respect

And if you old-stock immigrant woman

You have neither faith, nor law

And you spent your youth drunk

And went from one male to another

That's not the case for me"

Source: Haydar Moussa

Same link as the National Post article above. What wonderful and grateful immigrants - little bit of sarcasm there

Also from the CBC story posted by Anne:

"Seven out of 10 towns in the neighbouring region have moved to support Hérouxville's code of conduct."

Johnb, thanks for those posts.

How ridiculous these times we live in are. I don't know what's more nutty-the fact that a town has to post rules that shouldn't need posting at all or the fact that so many people get bent out of shape because such rules are posted and actually offend some weirdos. I guess now that there is no rule against stoning women that town will end up being filled end to end with the craziest of Islamania to take advantage of the "stoning friendly" atmosphere. Unbelievable.

Yeah, looks like they caved in already. Nice try though. I covered it here:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/12/in-huntingdon-southwest-of-montreal-municipal-councillors-adopted-a-resolution-tuesday-night-supporting-multiculturalism-and-called/

Sorry not all the links work,,,

As noted a few posts above, there is no problem or complaint to this symbolic stand against the violent Dark Ages attrocities condemmed in the statement coming from Sihks, Hindus, Buddists, or any other religiously inclined immigrant population. None. Zero. This is because they make fine immigrants and believe in human rights and peace and went to Canada for a better life and to wave the Canadian flag. The same is true in any modern world country they immigrate to.

There is only one problem group here who recognized themselves in the atrocities against human rights and freedom and liberty and equality of the sexes and violence listed in the document and took action. Only one.

There is no escape from this admission by reaction.

From a post above (which is NOT TRUE): "The articles of the code dropped represent items already covered under the Criminal Code of Canada and are redundant and not required.[FALSE] The articles that they kept are not covered and/or are hard to enforce without clear statements being made initially on societal norms, and are issues that need to be pushed and clearly stated to preserve modern society."

No, NO, NO. The Supreme Court of Canada has ALREADY ruled that a Sihk boy can wear a kirpan (that's a ceremonial dagger -- this is OK -- according to a Supreme Court Ruling, schools have to let the child attend classes, cannot confiscate the ceremonial dagger). Yet, the code of rules of Herouxville have KEPT this rule which says they don't want people wearing ceremonial daggers. The two rules deleted have been stoning and Female Genital Mutiliation.

And the Muslim related behavior "codes" were altered after a group of Islamic women paid a visit to town counsellors. The French surrender monkeys caved in.

And Female Genital Mutiliation DOES occur in CANADA -- you just have to pay out of your own pocket. No law in Canada for which I'm aware prohibits the practice.

Hmmm, so Herouxville now has no objection to the public stoning of women... not to go there then.

Tziona

About female genital mutilation in Canada - apparently, if you're an ordinary citizen and do this, you can be charged with assault. Also you are not allowed to take female children out of the country and have the operation performed in another country...also can be charged with assault. But, where the gray area exists is that this practice is not banned in every province's medical association. In Ontario, a doctor who does FGM could be charged with mal practice. But, what I've heard (based on rumour) is that you CAN go to certain doctors who will do it -- but it's not paid for by the government...it's like an "elective surgery". I've also heard (rumour) that the cost will be posted in a doctor's office.

J.S.

Thanks for the clarification. You will never find a single case of Female Genital Mutilation forcibly carried out, or carried out on a minor without criminal prosecution. In both cases it is a criminal act and the people involved are prosecuted. Just like Sharia Law endorsed pedaphilia -- there is no reason to have a town code against marrying 9 year olds or having sex with 11 year olds because this is a federal criminal matter.

However, consenting free will adults ultimately have control of their bodies in a free society, no matter what attempts are made. If somebody wants to make themselves look like a Michael Jackson alien or cut off parts of their anatomy, they pretty well can. All you can do is regulate doctors.

As for Sihks, the kirpan is a dull ornament which is equal to a common pocket knife which any child may carry. Would you ban pocket knives? I hope not. I challenge you to find a single instance in any country in the world where a Sihk boy pulled out his kirpan and hurt somebody with it. I don't think you will be able to. Anything can happen, but if one did, their parents would see to it that that child is punished beyond anything you can imagine for disgracing them and their religion.

However, you are correct in that their timing after the propaganda brigade showed up is unfortunate. But, again, this is admission of the horrible practices by Islamic Fundamentalists worldwide, and the charter is spawning other charters and support in other Quebec towns, and bringing a needed brighter light on this issue while there is time to do so. Quebec is not France. Luckily.

Thank Allah that public stoning is again legal in Hèrouxville. I don't dare to think what would have happened otherwise; judicious jihad rage, outraged infidelophobia, ragingly righteous hate against evil Westerners...funny, there's a word in common there.

hmm

how do i contact this town to enquire about when i can come to stone some women and clarify if women are also allowed to throw stones.

I think the odd stoning could be quite a tourist attraction.

Perhaps somes artists will do an interactive installation so we can practice our shots?

"The articles of the code dropped represent items already covered under the Criminal Code of Canada and are redundant and not required.[FALSE]' - from post above

Do I need to be unconfused?

Stoning can cause bodily harm and even death.

Surely Canada has laws against murder? Stoning sounds like assault with a deadly weapon.

And regarding knives - tell me which public school K - 12 in America permits anyone to carry a pocketknife! Adults over 18 - no problem, under 18 - no way!

Abe said:

"However, without references to stoning women in public and other Islamic Fundamentalist attrocities, they would not have gotten anything remotely like the attention they deserved to receive." Agree, but with this clarification: . . .they will not be getting remotely anything like the attention they deserve.

Am I being pedantic?

Ok, sorry I have not made myself clear. Allow me to explain what I'm getting at. TWO items were struck off the list (this after a delegation of Muslims confronted the townfolk -- one of the Muslim guys who was there also wrote an offensive poem suggesting that Muslim women who wear veils are purer than the drunken Quebec non-Muslim sluts) -- again Two items removed from the code were 1) Stoning women (and yes, this is against Canada's criminal code 2) Female Genital Mutilation (and someone had said that this practice also is against Canada's criminal code -- and, I just wanted to say, "No" -- that doctors in SOME provinces will do the operation -- it is dependent on the Provincial Medical Association -- in Ontario, doctors cannot do it, could be a mal practice suit..but there are 9 other provinces in Canada).

Next, there were items RETAINED on the Code. One of the retained items was about Sihks and Kirpans. The Quebec townfolk don't like Kirpans. But, this not liking Kirpans runs COUNTER to a current Supreme Court Ruling which states, children wearing said ceremonial dagger, a Kirpan, cannot be kept out of the classroom. (And, yes, I know, this is a controversial ruling). But whether you agree with the Kirpans are OK (personally, I have no problem if a Sihk kid wants to wear a Kirpan -- as far as I'm concerned, it's so what?) BUT, this is NOT what the Quebec villagers believe. Again, they kept this part of their Code (they DID not remove it or strike it off -- as they did the stoning of women or FGM). Thus, it is NOT about adhering strictly to what Canadian law says (otherwise they would also have struck out that part of their code which says "to hell with Kirpans") -- thus, it's about appeasing the Muslims. not about adhering to Canadian laws.

J.S. Thanks for your clarification. I just finished researching the cultural significance of the Kirpan. I think Canada's Supreme Court will be revisited on this one - maybe when knights and templars start toting again.

Why do the Muslims always win? Why can't us Dhimmis stand up for anything that is good and right. Why are we so afraid of being called islamaphobics?

Since 1980's no woman who was unfaitful was stone to death in a muslim country,they either got jail time
or it the hushand forgive her the matter and charge are drop. The one person who was stone to death by anger villager was than man who was caugth rapeing his 6 month old baby girl. The local Iman try to stop the mob of 300 villager(both woman and man) from takeing the law into their hand. The nation scelar and religious court refuse to take any action against the village as than foregin TV film caught on tape what the man did and the reaction of the simple peaceful villager. He would have being execute by either the secular or religious court anyway for his crime.The villager where warming tonot have it happen again by both court.

DefenderOfIslam, you seem to be under the misapprehension that posters here are simpletons, or children, or perhaps both. But anyway, I suggest you go here, then perhaps come back and tell us about the wonderful morality of mahometams.

See how much clearer the world is, when you get your information from more than just the local imam?

DefenderofIslam that is not true....
Wednesday, 31 January 2007, 5:19:31 AM | _kam0_
Two lovers were tied to trees and stoned to death
A woman was stoned to death on the orders of a local cleric in April this year in the northern province of Badakshan. She was suspected of being unfaithful ...
The BBC reports a woman has been stoned to death in Afghanistan for adultery and that it is the second stoning that we know of for the offense since we deposed the Taliban in 2001.
April 24th 2005. A woman has been stoned to death in Afghanistan, reportedly for committing adultery. The killing is said to have taken place in the Urgu district of north-eastern Badakhshan province.
Do you want me to keep going..