By Julie A. Varughese in the Norwich Bulletin:
NORWICH -- Sami Ahmed, who left Pakistan for the United States in 1983, began a Friday night Muslim prayer meeting at his house in Greeneville five years ago. At the time, three or four people attended the meetings. Now, between 30 and 40 Muslims meet weekly at his house."It seems like it is growing," Ahmed said of the practice of Islam in the region. Ahmed, who owns Sunshine Farms convenience store on Central Avenue, said Islam is the faith of his upbringing in Pakistan.
Indeed, Islam, the fastest-growing religion in the United States, is having its own, small growth spurt in Eastern Connecticut, fueled partly by foreign-born residents who have moved here for jobs at the regions' two casinos and who continue to practice the faith of their native lands.
A lecture being held Thursday night at Quinebaug Valley Community College in Danielson is intended to educate residents about Islam, which gained a reputation as a religion of extremists, misogynists and terrorists after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
Because of that, Muslims in the United States have faced discrimination and violent attacks against them.
Violent attacks?
But that hasn't stopped non-Muslims in the region and the nation from converting to the 1,400-year-old religion, which traces its roots to Christianity and Judaism.Between 250 and 500 Muslims live in Norwich, New London and Groton, according to local estimates. The Islamic Center of New London in Groton has about 100 members.
Hamza Collins, director of civil rights for the Council for American-Islamic Relations chapter in New London and an African-American who converted to Islam, said the increase in the Muslim population is due to a combination of conversions and migrations.
He said many white women, Hispanics and African-Americans have converted to Islam in recent years. But he said no numbers are kept on the phenomenon.
Muslims believe Islam, which means submission to God, was revealed to humanity by the Prophet Muhammad.
From Baptist to Muslim
Jabril Cain of Montville, formerly a Baptist, converted to Islam in January 2006.
"I've been a Christian for all my life and it was something that didn't quite make sense to me," he said.
Cain also said his conversion has sparked a few negative reactions, but he tries to combat them with education.
"There's a lot of ignorance. That's what I run into," Cain said. "Islam ... it's all part of the same cloth (as Judaism and Christianity). We regard Jesus as importantly as Christianity does."
Uh, no.
"The perception is wrong about Islam ... that (Muslims) have to carry guns and kill people. We're asking people to understand each other, so we can live in peace," he said.Muneer Fareed, secretary general of the Islamic Society of North America, which is based in Indiana, said, anecdotally, there are more Muslim immigrants than converts in the United States.
He said no statistics are available because the U.S. Census does not gather information on religious affiliations.
Maybe they ought to start.
Monty Santiago, a Groton resident who converted to Islam 10 years ago, said he chose Islam to fill a void in his life. He said his Puerto Rican relatives thought he had gone crazy at first.
At first?
"You don't see too many Puerto Rican Muslims," Santiago joked. "If it makes me happy, it makes them happy."Muhammed Khokhar, a Quaker Hill resident who immigrated from Pakistan two years ago, said he sometimes encounters racism, but tries to be patient with the perpetrators, whom he calls "illiterate people."
"Illiterate people," which is to say those who might have the read Quran, Sahih Bukhari, or the Sira.
"Muhammed Khokhar, a Quaker Hill resident who immigrated from Pakistan two years ago, said he sometimes encounters racism, but tries to be patient with the perpetrators, whom he calls "illiterate people.""
If that is true then all Pakis are illiterate people and that is because as Pakistani Christian, I experienced racism at every step I took while living in Pakistan.
"There's a lot of ignorance. That's what I run into," Cain said. "Islam ... it's all part of the same cloth (as Judaism and Christianity). We regard Jesus as importantly as Christianity does."
Sure. The Jesus who was not Jewish, was not the Son of God, and will preach Islam upon his return.
Mr. Ahmed, local owner of the Sunshine (!) store, do-gooder and man of peace, will probably use this PR/softball article to send to Saudi Arabia where he will apply for funds to build a small mosque in the area. An imam from Saudi Arabia will arrive with the funds for the building. A big celebration, will local dignitaries, will mark the opening of the mosque. There will be "outreach" programs to the community. Of course, there will also be the obligatory broken windows...done, of course, by local bigots. Sympathetic reporters and the city mayor and board members will hurry to denounce and decry the 'racism' that the ROPer's have to endure. Then, one day, a quiet, local Muslim boy of 17 or 18 will pick up a gun and shoot up the local mall or high school....the Muslim community will be shocked and flowers and teddy bears will be left at his family home, while the local pastors conduct funerals for his victims and..while singing the praises of the local members of the Religion of Peace who had no idea of how mentally disturbed the poor boy was.
It's odd: the claim about the "white women" thing always seems to smack of the way that Coptic women are targeted by islamists in Egypt. Sort of like trying to strike where the ego for the male members of society resides. Curious.
Hypocrites - Working at casinos!? Don't these people know that gambling and even enabling people to gamble is forbidden?
Gambling, mixing of the sexes, stage shows, oh, the shame!
Muslims are so peaceful...until they move next door to you...
oh man, how many "Crusader" are here?!!!! I better find another name :P
Seems to me that there's one "Crusader" from Pakistan, and then there's me, from Europe.
"Because of that, Muslims in the United States have faced discrimination and violent attacks against them."
Examples please. Another idiot MSM reporter taking everything at face value. North Americans have been remarkably civilized following the Sept. 11 attacks (not to mention the other almost daily provocations from Muslims around the world).
"Because of that, Muslims in the United States have faced discrimination and violent attacks against them."
Noone is forcing them to stay.
"The perception is wrong about Islam ... that (Muslims) have to carry guns and kill people.
No you carry membership cards for the ACLU. You murder us with Taxis and SUVs. Your murderous kind indeed has no need for guns to kill people. Killing is about the only thing your kind is expert in.
Connecticut? Is it going from being the Constitution State to being the Sharia't State???
Good God, let us hope not!
Deliver us from Islam. And let's outlaw this institution of mass first-degree murder while we're at it. (BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!).
Joseph Goebbels would be mighty proud if he could read this article by Julie Varughese, cuz it's an example of first rate post-modern agitprop, filled with implications of guilt and innocence strung right along a thrusting fault of ignorance and knowledge, mendacity and sincerity.
It's all so simple, Julie. It's all so binary, so black and white. Moslem = misunderstood exotic; Infidel = vicious discriminator.
Could you just make them stop terrorizing and attacking us now?
"You murder us with Taxis and SUVs. Your murderous kind indeed has no need for guns to kill people. Killing is about the only thing your kind is expert in."
Not to mention killing their own females with knifes!
People are always saying here that the secularism of Europe will be it's downfall in making Europe islamic.
But I think that the religiosity of the christian population of America makes it much more likely that America will become Islamic, maybe even before Europe.
The problem with Europe is that there are so many more muslims from immigration and overbreeding than what America has at the moment; but the average secular European is growing a quiet resistance movement to them.
But because of America's religiousity, it can quite easily flip from christianity as it major religion, to Islam.
People are always saying here that the secularism of Europe will be it's downfall in making Europe islamic.
But I think that the religiosity of the christian population of America makes it much more likely that America will become Islamic, maybe even before Europe.
The problem with Europe is that there are so many more muslims from immigration and overbreeding than what America has at the moment; but the average secular European is growing a quiet resistance movement to them.
But because of America's religiousity, it can quite easily flip from christianity as it major religion, to Islam.
Violent attacks?
Just imagine the uproar if there actually was a violent attack on a Moslem.
Sure, I think a couple of celebrators got their jaws jacked on September 11 and 12, but the retribution has been nil.
Yet, physical and verbal attacks by Moslems on Infidels --- both those realized and those aborted by Infidel authorities --- has persisted since 9/11.
If we punched back, just once, Tim Russert, Bill O'Reilly, the NYT editorial board, and other Islamo-Sympathizers would surely go off the deep end with steep table tilt and a blizzard of obfuscation.
Not to mention the po-lice.
NPR Slams CAIR On Bogus Hate Crimes Reporting
But because of America's religiousity, it can quite easily flip from christianity as it major religion, to Islam.
Of course. All faiths are the same. They only differ on matters of sin, heaven, hell, origin, meaning, morality and destiny. Aside from that there's no difference. I'm being fitted for a keffiyeh right now, in fact. Honest.
Sheesh.
I've just snail-mailed the author, Julie A. Varughese, a copy of the story above about the unfortunate female Pakistani minister shot dead for breaking the Islamic Dress code. the address of the Norwich Bulletin is :66 Franklin St.
Norwich, CT
06360
For the next month or so, I'll be mailing Ms. Varughese selected articles in an attempt to challeng her belief that islam=Baptist.
One more reason one can be glad that Khaled Abou el Fadl did not manage to pull the wool over Harold Koh's eyes. Let's hope the egregious Bright Young Muslim, and Misstater of Everything, Reza Aslan (whose Arabic, by the way, consists of a summer course in Cairo, and whose Islam consists of what he's managed to somehow pick up as someone who has grown up entirely in the West, has never studied Islam at length, but who, because he is "young" and a "Muslim" and had a good agent who packaged him, pocketed a $400,000 advance for a book on Islam that is worthless as a guide to Islam).
Yes, keep him out too. It's too late to stop Harvard from offering a post to that thrusting young sammy-glick Noah ("After Jihad") Feldman, but not too late to keep the nonsense from spreading, and even getting tenure. Not in Eastern Connecticut, or up and down the Eastern Seaboard, or everywhere.
Law school faculties: please be aware that "Islamic Law" is theology. It has no place in an American school of law. Why bother to say this? Because a sustained effort is being made to infiltrate the faculties of law schools -- as the next place, after the undergraduate departments of Middle Eastern and Islamic studies, that need to be subdued.
Do your own investigation. Read Joseph Schacht, Snouck Hurgrunje, Arthur Jeffrey, Antoine Fattal. If someone presents himself to you as an expert on Islamic law, be sure to question him, in that initial series of interviews, about the legal status of non-Muslims under Muslim rule. Make sure he gives you a complete list of the many disablitiies which non-Muslims had to endure. Make sure you yourself have read either Antoine Fattal ("Le status legal des non-musulmanes en pays d'Islam"). Ask him as well about Islam and public international law. What is the view, in Islam, of non-Muslim lands and their permanent legitimacy? And what is the Muslim view of treaties between Muslim and Infidel polities? Make sure you have read Majid Khadduri's "War and Peace in the Law of Islam."
You owe this to Bracton, Coke, Blackstone, John Marshall, Lemuel Shaw, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Louis Brandeis, Felix Frankfurter, Robert Jackson, Earl Warren, Learned Hand, Augustus Hand, and many others. You owe it to Roscoe Pound, and to Julius Stone, and to Hans Lauterpacht.
You've got plenty of time. You know how light your teaching schedule is. It's absurd, but I promise to keep it a secret.
But do this for me. Will you?
Hugh,
Your pleas will fall on deaf ears, especially if Saudi donations are at stake (see Harvard, Georgetown).
"I've been a Christian for all my life and it was something that didn't quite make sense to me," he said."
...but four wives,72 virgins after death, acceptable spousal abuse, incestous relationships, head banging five times a day, shaira law, and the ability to attack at will does........
Voltaire,
"People are always saying here that the secularism of Europe will be it's downfall in making Europe islamic.
But I think that the religiosity of the christian population of America makes it much more likely that America will become Islamic, maybe even before Europe.
The problem with Europe is that there are so many more muslims from immigration and overbreeding than what America has at the moment; but the average secular European is growing a quiet resistance movement to them.
But because of America's religiousity, it can quite easily flip from christianity as it major religion, to Islam."
In truth, because of the stronger Chrstian faith base in America, which is deep the likelyhood of America ever becoming Islamic is very low at best. Faith has much deeper roots then anything secular which in itself lack those deep roots. Europe because of the lack of those deep roots of Christian faith makes it likely to fall prey to Islam.
http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam_myths.html
Voltaire,
Could you explain your argument more? If America is so religious (mostly leaning towards Christianity, Protestant and Catholic), then how will that make the country more likely to turn Islamic?
Voltaire, maybe it was that “religiosity is religiosity” attitude that got us into this problem in the first place
Muhammed Khokhar, hmmm, I think he might post here.
This poster has many fond memories of drinking beer at Billy Wilson’s pub in Norwich a decade ago and is disturbed by this article.
20FEB07
Ms. Julie A. Varughese
Norwich Bulletin
66 Franklin St.
Norwich, CT 06360
Dear Julie:
Thank you for your article on Islam in Norwich. You wrote: ‘Muslims believe Islam, which means submission to God, was revealed to humanity by the Prophet Muhammad’.
Islam means other things as well. Please ask Mr. Hamza Collins about Dhimmitude. Compare his answer with current events and the words of the Qu’ran. From Sura 9:29:
Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
In both theory and real world practice, once Muslims achieve a critical mass, this means that you will have three choices; conversion to Islam, subjugation as a taxed Dhimmi, or death. I urge you and your readers to study the Qu’ran, starting with Chapter 9, and compare the teachings with world events. If you would like to view the Qu’ran on the internet, you can find it at http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm.
Regards;
Just in: Afghanistan's upper house of parliament approves resolution granting "mujahedeen" immunity from war crimes charges
"If they bring leaders of the mujahedeen to court it will tarnish the name of jihad," one legislator argued.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015354.php#comments
And yet, "religiosity" is all the same according to some.
The poster who said that gambling or enabling others to gamble is contrary to the teachings of Islam has overlooked one important aspect of Muslim behaviour. It will be non-believers who will be gambling (and for the most part losing money) and essentially they don't count. Meanwhile Muslims will be making a living and establishing an outpost of the faithful off the back of their wicked habit.If it increases the power of Islam, this sort of thing seems to be allowed. On a recent Celebrity Big Brother in the UK Jermaine Jackson, who made much of his being a devout Muslim, slept each night in a mixed dormitory in a bed adjacent to several scantily clad girls. Since they were not Muslim women it did not appear to matter. It did give him a chance to show the british public what a balanced, dignified man Islam had made of him what with him praying 5 times a day. It also enabled him to raise his profile, since the Jacksons seem to be trying to act as some sort of Judas sheep to attract other celebrities down to the Gulf States where they have made their home. Needless to say, there have been 3 male Muslims on Big Brother shows of one kind or anther in the UK, but never a female one.
Voltaire you better get to work, because if EU is lost, no athiest country, including (but especially) Russia and China, will be safe.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,467360,00.html
A Parallel Muslim Universe
By Andrea Brandt and Cordula Meyer
Germany's Muslim population is becoming more religious and more conservative. Islamic associations are fostering the trend, particularly through their work with the young -- accelerating the drift towards a parallel Muslim society.
But I think that the religiosity of the christian population of America makes it much more likely that America will become Islamic, maybe even before Europe.
The reality is the exact opposite....
If the downfall of Europe does indeed occur, it is the natural result of secularism.
The fruits of European secularism:
A declining birthrate- why have children since they are such a "burden" and do not contribute to the gratification of the "self"
The loss of identity and culture to islam- Why sacrifice, fight and defend secularism (the philosophy of "nothing") when no greater good exists
Voltaire; A recent poll taken in the US indicated that 19% or less of the US population has a positive view of Islam.
That statistic indicates that Americans are not in the least attracted to Islam. Which would indicate your theory is fatally flawed.
I personally do NOT know a single American who would consider converting to Islam. There is a danger of alienated youths and marginalized individualized converting to Islam, but to date there are no indications that this can not be overcome. Especially as organizations such as Jihad Watch bring greater awareness to the US population of the violence lurking at the heart of Islam.
I recommend that Europeans such as yourself focus on your OWN continent's problems. There is after all far more Islamic-instigated violence over there than over here. And as the Muslims' populations grow over there that violence is likely to multiply. Europe needs your wisdom more than America does at the present time.
"Islam has faced violent attacks against them...."
Un huh.... what a pile of bovine fertilizer. The story on Jihadwatch tonight has the sunni's telling the story of the annhilation of the sunni by the Iranian shia's.
First- there have been virtually no violent attacks against Islam in the US. The number of attacks against jews, has jumped dramatically over the last 10 yrs, and Europe has a pandemic. Of course, it's in their mosques, their school books, and here too, in America.
They have increased bigotry against 'infidels'in all the countries, they've taken residence within, and are at war on most of their borders with 'infidels'
And that nonsensical 'biggest growing religion' bit is a tawdry laugher. All it takes is for someone to recite the 'shahada' in front of two believing muslims and your one, for life, able to leave feet first only according to sharia.
Judaism takes about two years, for orthodox jews, and they turn people away two times or so, just to
make sure it's not just an infatuation. The reason isn't elitism but the fact that one needn't be a jew to merit heavenly reward. But that aside, the nonsense of muslims, who have butchered mega millions of their own, and everyone else, with enslavement, beheadings, crying and whinings worldwide about how they're not given the freedom
that is never granted to others in any muslim land
is a howl.
I've never seen a hint of shame from muslims that would indicate they even understand the horror, sorrow, and pain they've brought to others in the world. And no... I don't think I'm better than muslims, and I'm sure that muslims being humans, can be good people and nice. So were the german people watching the nationalist Hitler, or the nationalist Emperor of Japan. They were all capable of being nice people. But that is an idiot's interpretation of what constitutes the above problems none of which, will ever, nor have been ever, approached, and addressed by the 'good' ordinary folks of Islamic faith.
Just count the numbers of muslims killed by muslims in their lands, now, and through history and get an idea of what tyranny looks like.
Mark
I've never seen a hint of shame from muslims that would indicate they even understand the horror, sorrow, and pain they've brought to others in the world. And no... I don't think I'm better than muslims, and I'm sure that muslims being humans, can be good people and nice. So were the german people watching the nationalist Hitler, or the nationalist Emperor of Japan. They were all capable of being nice people. But that is an idiot's interpretation of what constitutes the above problems none of which, will ever, nor have been ever, approached, and addressed by the 'good' ordinary folks of Islamic faith.
Mark
Posted by: mgoldberg at February 20, 2007 10:25 PM
Most muslims believe in a completely revised version of history, so they are either unaware or they deny the heinous genocides and internecine slaughters committed by muslim butchers during islam's 1400 year reign of horror. I'm a Christian and I feel vastly, immensely superior to muslims. I would feel the same way if I were an atheist, agnostic, Jew, or whatever. Muslims are primitive, ignorant, benighted fools and there is simply no excuse for the prevalence of rampant, widespread, collective idiocy within a specific group of human beings in the 21st century.
Muslims are not "nice", although they are quite capable of comporting themselves like genuine human beings. One cannot believe islamic doctrine and be nice, that is impossible. Muslims are masters of deception; deceit is their trademark. I do not engage in any interaction whatsoever with muslims because they are liars and hypocrites and are only civil long enough to try to convert you. When they realize you're not interested, they either become overtly hostile or they move on to the next potential sucker.
" . . . . We're asking people to understand each other, so we can live in peace,"
The trouble Jabril is that we free people (non-Moslems to you) do understand what Islam is all about. Therefore, we can never live in peace with it. We can live without it though, very well, thank you.
NORWICH - yet another town in the US we are going to hear more of in time to come. The next will be the opening of the MASJId or Mosque with the towns PC brigade in attendance praising the new peaceful Muslim residents. Is this the beginning of the end of another town sacrificed to the "Religion of Peace"?
For those who want me to explain my above post: christians are True Believers, so are muslims.
If you're a christian, and say maybe god doesn't answer your prayers, or your faith in god is shaken in some way, then maybe you might start turning to another faith which might give you the answers that you don't get from your own.
Eric Hoffer in his book True Believers put it very well. A true believer can go from one belief to another very easily, since he has a weak sense of self to begin with.
That's why you have the above example of a christian becoming a muslim. In Italy a catholic priest converted to Islam.
The reason that Christians and Jews hold interfaith services with muslims, is because they are essentially birds of a feather, who are flocking together.
Ofcourse, I read that.
Germans killed 6 million Jews, only to be bullied by the muslim immigrants that they brought in for cheap labour after the horrors of World War 2.
Poetic justice.
If the scenario wasn't so scary, I'd say that got their just desserts.
Pythagoras you may be right.
The theory could possibly be fatally flawed.
But when you see Bush, who is a christian, and Blair, who is a christian, both saying that Islam is a religion of peace, then how being a christian a bulwark against Islam?
Crusader:The fact that he "left" shows that he never really believed, under the Bible's own description (1 John 2:19).
Excellent point! Many people - especially the media - don't realize that conversion from Christianity is impossible.
Voltaire,
I respectfully disagree with your assessment of "True Believers," and I think history will back me up. I think a "True Believer" is less likely to convert to another faith than one who nominally holds to a belief or to a relativist all-faiths-lead-to-God philosphy. Those people may be "True Believers" in spirituality, but they won't hold to a particular faith whatever the cost.
Look at the Middle East -- 1400 years of Muslim dominance. I'd say over that time, non-Muslims have had plenty of opportunities to have their faith shaken, and yet there are still a few Christians and Jews, mostly descendants of those who have lived as dhimmis for over a millenia and clung to their respective faiths even though life would be so much easier if only they'd capitulate to Islam. Are they not "True Believers"?
Another example: it has long been known that the most fertile recruiting grounds for cults (think Jim Jones, David Koresh, and their ilk) are those who have a nominal religious background. Maybe their parents took them to church for Christmas or sent them to Sunday School for a couple years when they were in grade school. "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" -- so the saying goes. When confronted with a caring, committed person who says "Look at the Bible. This passage means X," they remember that the-Bible-is-true mantra from Sunday School but don't have enough knowledge to discern whether such claims are made in context.
I read a book a year or so ago that contained interviews with prominent leaders of several Christian denominations. One thing that stuck with me was the estimate of "True Beleivers" cited by both a Roman Catholic leader and a Southern Baptist leader. (Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists are the #1 and #2 largest Christian groups in the US.) Both figured 10% of their churches are "True Believers" -- the ones they calculate would never be swayed, who would go to their deaths rather than convert.
The list of martyrs (by martyr I mean the Western definition -- one who goes to one's death rather than renounce one's faith) is endless. Those are the "True Believers." Who would accept persecution for a belief except one who is totally committed to that belief?
The question for Europe and America will be are there enough "True Believers" in secularism AND Christianity (and other non-Muslim faiths) to stem the tide of Islam? Personally, I tend to be pessimistic. I don't think secularism is a strong enough philosphy to develop many "True Believers." And I have to agree with those who say American Christianity is wide, but not deep.
Eric Hoffer in his book True Believers put it very well. A true believer can go from one belief to another very easily, since he has a weak sense of self to begin with.
That is an example of typical secular elitism.... A true believer simply cannot go from one belief to the other.... However that line of thinking is why secularism will never be the answer to islam....
That's why you have the above example of a christian becoming a muslim. In Italy a catholic priest converted to Islam.
What kind of priest where they in the first place???? That is indeed very sad to read, however it is a very vague reference to make a point wihtout knowing what kind of priest this man was....
Going back to the point above, that is why it is nearly impossible through HUMAN means to covert someone who dedicated to islam as a "true believer" would be.
At the same time, a "true believer" in Christianity cannot be convereted to islam or anything else.
Quick note- A true believer as I see it is one who understands and believes in the AUTHENTIC theology and philosophy behind that which they are practicing.
This is different that those who think they understand that which they are practicing. This is why I think many Christian "converts" to islam can be reconverted. They never understood true Christianity in the first place and they certianly don't understand what islam is all about.
Alaramed Pig Farmer
FBI statistics for hate crime across the nation for 2005 (no figures for 2006 yet):
128 incidents against Muslims (146 offenses), of which 0 murder/nonnegligent manslaughter, 0 rapes, 8 aggravated assaults, 27 simple assaults (which summs up violent crime).
Compare to Anti-Jewish crime: 848 incidents (900 offenses), 0, 0, 16 and 42.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/
Voltaire, you talk like Christians don’t have a sense of right or wrong, which is not true. Instead, I want you to acknowledge it is atheists who lack such sense, and it was our politicians wearing their atheist hats that got us into this mess in the first place. We can go down the list of what is right or wrong, but let us just say right or wrong in the ten commandment sense (yes, including and especially the first one.)
CJ,
If you want to see American Christianity that is both wide and deep, take a look at the " Bible belt".
"There's a lot of ignorance. That's what I run into," Cain said. "Islam ... it's all part of the same cloth (as Judaism and Christianity). We regard Jesus as importantly as Christianity does."
The days since anyone believes this is long since over. Next thing, he'll be telling us that Islam teaches the Golden Rule and equality of religious beliefs, freedom of conscience. Nobody buys this nonsense anymore. We are not far from the time that non-Muslims will openly laugh at a Muslim when they are told Islam is a religion of tolerance and pluralism. People now know the truth.
Voltaire:
But when you see Bush, who is a christian, and Blair, who is a christian, both saying that Islam is a religion of peace, then how being a christian a bulwark against Islam?
Blair only says that because his party needs Muslim votes to keep in power. The days when politicians dared speak the truth are long gone. In the UK, criticism of Islam is classified as a thought crime.
The Son of Sam that terrorize the woman of NYC and area around it was than oxfox Jew. Many of the seria killer and rapeist where Christian that went to church every sunday and taught sunday school. In Illindis than marry evant. christian man rape and murder teenager boys than bury then under his house.
Hilter was than good upstanding Christian along with most of SS who went to church on sunday.
Than Afghanistan woman was gun down by most likely than born again Christian in Calif. she have many childern and grandchildern and she was than Americia Citizen. It seem like the FBI cannot find the killer as they arenot looking in the violent born again Christian Churchs in Southern Calif..
In any religious entitity you will find a few unworthy individuals prone to bad behaviour and/or violence, but only in Islam is violence an accepted teaching for all its followers. Islams teachings are not to be challenged or critized by its followers.....Islam is the only "religion" that practices such violence on a global scale...
....there is a big difference between the occassional wayward Non Muslim and the violence indoctrinated Muslims...
....in the few instances referrenced in DefenderofIslams above post it is debatable whether or not those mentioned were worthy practicing Christians, they certainly were not represenative of the Christian religions....however, when it come to Islam, there can be no debate as to the intent of its leaders, its followers, or its plan to dominate the world...
Islam is a terrorist organization , pure and simple....
I'm not Mexican, but right now, even the illegals, who are Roman Catholic Mexicans, should be starting to look good, eh?
I mean, People, alfter all, these are from our side of the world, OUR culture, now?
Come on, don't talk about diseases, when the U.S. gov. labs are digging up Spanish Flu viruses, and working with designer viruses!
Why, I wonder are so many new diesease springin up - all of a sudden - the viruses are coming too close together to be natural evolution.
God awful (!) NEW DISEASES - NEW VIRUSES
Slightly off topic.
As to that new islamic or as some here say, islamite school - public school at that - in Brooklyn. I come from Queens, and I happen to know that Brooklyn is a Jewish area - a lot of Orthodox Jews.
Just what are these people waiting for? Where are the Jews lobbying against? Usually, the Jews don't put up with anything!
Where is the JDL? Where are the Jewish militants?
God, I got to get hold of my Blue Star pin!!
People who live in glass house couldnot throw stones. Criminal and terrorist come from all religions and races and entic group. It seem like to muslim that when a muslim commit a crime his religish belief must be reported by the media now the media see how blias and unfair that was. Son of Sam was than classist insane criminal who is lock up in the Criminal Insane part of NY porson system for the rrest of his life.
The big difference is either silence from those Muslims who are peaceful who should speak out and condemm the terror violence or there is silent support.