'Israelites didn't build the pyramids'

Are you sure we didn't subcontract the work out?

Well, the Jews do have experience in designing skyscrapers,strip malls,gated communities, and military compounds...

I believe Hawass is correct. It is generally acknowledged by Egyptologist that the pyramids were built by Egyptians as part of some national building project.

The Hebrews slaves were actually used to to build various cities, fortresses, harbors and temples. They were probably used as labour in quarries and on farms also.

I would say that if the Egyptians did not have the Hebrew slaves labour (and other slaves) they would not have had the ability to devote themselves to constructing the pyramids. Therefore, the Hebrews certainly played a role (albeit removed) in the building of the pyramids.

And, it could have been worse... King Abdallah could have claimed that Mohammed and the Muslims built the pyramids!!!

I'm not sure this is Islamic cultural imperialism. If The Egyptians had the capability to pull them down, and if they did not need the tourist money, they would pull them down.

I am sure someone will point out that I am mistaken, but the Bible does not say that the Children of Israel built pyramids. And even if they did, they would have been the slaves labouring to the orders and plans of Egyptians designers and taskmasters.

In the same way, we say that Donald Trump built various buildings, though I doubt he has ever spent much time on a building site!

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Dear people from JW/DW, but you dont understand history. Muslims DID built the pyramids. And not only in Egypt, but Europe and America also. Check this bosnian website:

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.net/Bosnian-Pyramids/

And if you still have a doubts, just think on God. Muslims invented Him too.

Of course the Israelites didn't build the pyramids. If Egypt admitted that it would open a can of worms. Because then the whole story of the Israelites would have to be true, including the part where they arrive in "palestine". And we all know who the REAL owner of that particular piece of real estate was from day one, don't we?

No, the Egyptians did it. Besides, the Israelites enjoyed life there too much to bother with such an undertaking-if one believes Muslim apologists for dhimmitude, life was a virtual paradise for the Israelites. Just like it is for infidels today all over the ummah.

The Muslims were entirely indifferent, and remain largely indifferent (save insofar as a handful of Western-educated Arabs have begun to take an interest, and insofar as antiquities such as the pyramids provide Western currency from tourists) to their own pre-Islamic past.

The great Egyptologists have all been Westerners. The Frenchman Champollion deciphering the Rosetta Stone, the German Lepsius, the Englishman Howard Carter discovering the tomb of Tutankhamen, these and many other Westerners were not only the founders, but also the creators of Egyptology. The scholars of Coptic, right up to the present and Bentley Layton, have all been Westerners.

And the same is true for all the other antiquities. It is not the local Arabs and Muslims who rediscovered Babylon, or founded the field of Assyriology. It is Henry Austen Layard, whose books have been reprinted by George Kiraz, who dug in the Land of the Two Rivers, and the fabulous treasures of Ur were discovered by Leonard Woolley and by others with support from, not any Muslim group, but the University of Pennsylvania.

And what about the only two museums of antiquities in the Muslim Arab world worth anything? The Cairo Museum was a product not of Egyptians, but of the Frenchman Mariette, who thought, in those days when there were still considerable numbers of Levantines in Egypt, and the further arabisation of the country not foreseen, that Cairo would be the proper repository for pre-Islamic, pharaonic antiquities. Thank god a lot of the stuff has nonetheless managed to get out, to the MFA in Boston, to the Louvre, to the British Museum, else we would all have to risk our lives visiting the Cairo Museum which, under the ubiquitous, presumptious, and absurd locals such as Hawass, are much more akin to warehouses full of stacked stuff than to museums intelligently displaying material, in the Western sense.

And the other museum is that of Baghdad, which is essentially the product of Gertrude Bell, herself an archeologist (see "From Amurath to Amurath" about excavations in Syria), who began the Department of Antiquities that metamorphosed, with further British help, into the Baghad Museum and where, as one might expect, the staff was heavily non-Islamic, right up to its last Director, Donny George.

Now comes Zahi Hawass, a self-promooter who gets himself often on the news. His positiion does not reflect any great contribution to archaeology, but rather his being politically connected, good at extracting money from foreign audiences or at least trying to (see the latest Egyptian Pay-Per-View Exhibit -- no, on second thought, refuse to go see it, refuse to pay).

Knowing what we all know about the Muslim Middle East, we should thank god that our intelligent forefathers removed some of the stuff, so that we in the Western civilization, a civilization receptive too, wide-open to, the so-called "Other" of which the Saidians and their epigones like so much to prate, can see the stuff without fear of being attacked or blown up in our tourist bus, between hotel and museum.

Now comes Zahi Hawass, a self-promooter who gets himself often on the news. His positiion does not reflect any great contribution to archaeology, but rather his being politically connected, good at extracting money from foreign audiences or at least trying to (see the latest Egyptian Pay-Per-View Exhibit -- no, on second thought, refuse to go see it, refuse to pay).

Knowing what we all know about the Muslim Middle East, we should thank god that our intelligent forefathers removed some of the stuff, so that we in the Western civilization, a civilization receptive too, wide-open to, the so-called "Other" of which the Saidians and their epigones like so much to prate, can see the stuff without fear of being attacked or blown up in our tourist bus, between hotel and museum.

from Hugh

There was actualy a documentary, I think Discovery or History channel about "STOLLEN treasures of Egypt". Main figure Zahi Hawass. Beside usual grumbling that westerners use to came to Egypt just to plunder ancient treasures, he never said a word how that "modern egyptians" was oblivious of previous pagan (non muslim) culture for so long. He never said a word how islam deals with a past of territory which they invade in the name of allah. And there is just few accounts falling on my mind:
*In 9th century, soon after invasion of Egypt, kaliph al mamon decide to plunder the grate Khufu (Keops) pyramid of Giza. He simply have heared from ferrytales that grate treasure is in it. So plunder the dead, when u can go the same way with live people.Note: beside arab caliph, no previous, nor latter invader try to do the same with Keops; (beside money and wealth, it seems that only sex can be a mind driven motif for muslims)
*I will jump over numerous churches & synagoges regulary demolished in the past 14 c.
*In the 19th & 20th c. many reports claim numerous burnings of ancient papyry. Muslims use them as aromatic sticks as well as fuel fo making dinner.Only latter knowlege that they are worthy of something to infidels save them from destruction.
Zahi Hawass turn a blind eye on that. But he was very upset cos Germans on their exibition show the famous bust of Nefertite (wife of Akhenaton) attached to new body made from hieroglyphic reconstruction. The same story with famous Roseta stone, for whom zahi and his muslims would still marvel was that stone inscribed from passages from quran on angelic dialect or satanic provocation, if there was not one westerner, Champolion, to decipher it. Muslims also have a bad habbit (inheritted from religion) that everything which exist and is worthy of something is their property. My friend told me that when he was once in Konstatinople (istambul), local guide explain to him that turks was here immemorial and that aya sofia was erected by old turkish sultans.Better dont even ask for Greeks. Least Armenians. Web link I have posted is newest exemple, this time from bosnia, where muslim 'elite' beside creating a new nation, also creates a new history. This time with pyramids.

... and all this time we though space aliens built them?

Here is an amazing story

Egyptians may sue Jews over the Exodus

Talk about blaming the victims!

Read about it here

http://www.rense.com/general40/stoeln.htm

I think the most recent theories place the Egyptians as builders and planners of those pyramids. I've heard it was a national project tied to the state & religion and citizens would leave normal lives & jobs for a year to work on the big project. It was a source of national unity, pride, doing something for 'the greater good' and was a dedication to the religious beliefs they held at the time.

So I think those quoted do agree with the current thought on the subject.

Right, and Mohammed and the 12th Iman parted the red sea, right?

and Moses' real name was Abdullah Talibani, right?

In fairness, the pyramids were built primarily during the Old Kingdom. The earliest documentation that might refer to Hebrew dates to the New Kingdom, about 1000 years later.

Unlike most Islamic claims, this one is not absurd. Anyway, the Arabs who stole Egypt from its natives are not descendants of the ancient Egyptians.

"Egyptians may sue Jews over the Exodus

Talk about blaming the victims!"

...they are still mad about losing their slaves...

Oh, please. DavidE, the Egyptians of today are the descendants of converts, like all Muslims from the fair-skinned Bosnians to the black Somalis. Everyone, even supposing that the story of the Jews being slaves in Egypt some time in the Middle Kingdom was true, the pyramids had by then stood for a thousand years or more. Hugh, most important archaeological work today is carried out by Egyptians, just as even in that benighted hellhole Iran there still are good sound scholars doing important work on pre-Islamic culture. And the fact that they are preserving a tradition of real scholarship in the face of Islamic filth does not seem to me a proper reason to assimilate them to said filth. Hawass himself may be a self-promoter, but thank God for that: in a country where image is everything, his huge image stands between Egyptian antiquities and God knows what horrors. What is more, when it comes to the medieval legend of the "israelites" building the pyramids, he is perfectly right, and any other scholar in his position would have done the same.

Show some discernment, everyone. It is posts like this that allow the enemy to blacken the name of Jihadwatch and of the cause of resistance against Islam.

Hm, I thought all pre-Islamic history was irrelevant? Apparently not.

Finally! Something they are not blaming on the Jews.

islamforlosers,
actually, the Quran confirms --in general terms-- the story of the Exodus and the divine promise of the Holy Land to the Jews, as well as the Covenant with the Jews. [Sura 5:12, 5:20-22, inter alia].
What they do is to then find other verses that contradict or qualify the award of the Holy Land to the Jews.
It's curious that when the Quran's words are inconvenient, they forget them.

As others have said, on this point Hawass is correct. The pyramids were built by Egyptians, though of course by Egyptians who were not Muslim. Aside from the fact that there is no evidence for Semitic slaves in Egypt this early, it is also important to understand that the pyramids were not built primarily by slaves in the normal sense of this word. The Egyptians had a system of corvee labor, sometimes called a "labor tax", in which ordinary Egyptians were required to work each year for a certain period of time on public works. The received view among Egyptologists is that most of those who built the pyramids were such conscript laborers, not slaves.

I do wonder why this is the basis for a complaint to the Attorney General. Since when is bad school curriculum a criminal matter?

The Coptic community are generally accepted as the descendants of the ancient Egyptians who most scholars agree built the pyramids. This has nothing to do with the Arabs and their culture which eventually became the dominant force in the area. The newly arrived Arabs took great pleasure in trying to blow up the Great Pyramid of Khufu with gunpowder(the scares are still visible)in search of treasure. The polished limestone cladding was also removed and used to build mosques and other buildings in nearby Cairo. This was done after they burnt down the great library in Alexandria.

By the way Zahi Hawass is a self publicizing megalomaniac and a windbag.

I read a book that the pymind where built out of concete. They found than stone pillar that list than recipe for a avange form of concete. The core stone of the pymind where make up of block weight 250 tons raise up to 1/3 of the height of the pymind they have no pulley or crane to lift the heavy stone. They use than very hard grandi roch which they stone,copper tool wouldnot have cut at all and either would bronze tool cut that stone yjey use. They where place very tightly fitting with than crack no wider than 1/10000 of than inch. With all of our modern tool we would be hard press to built than greast pymind. Every year the Nile River flood
some of the farm land leave behind than deport of rich soil. The flood last for 2 to 3 month with lots of idle people do nothing. They where given the job of crushing the very hard stone with other stones to make the concete and add water. Some idiot at than game site for Civil 3 said where could they get all the water they needed to make concete he was than dumb christian. They built than cannel from the Nile
to the work site to make it easter to move material there by boats.

I echo Paolo. Yes, the Israelites were slaves in Egypt, but that doesn't prove they built the pyramids, there's no biblical claim that they did, nor any theological tradition in Judaism or Christianity that says so (at least to my knowledge). I'm also sure that most Egyptians are well aware that their ancient monuments are pre-Islamic by a long shot--which is why their yokels defaced so many archaeological sites.

As for the Bosnian-American guy who thinks he may have found a pyramid in the old country, the description of the hill (if accurate) he wants to excavate sounds suspiciously like some of the hills in Central America that piqued the curiosity of Mayanist Archaeologists. Let the guy have a go at it, and I'd be excited to learn what he finds. Besides, the site didn't seem to say anything more than that there might have been early Balkan pyramid-builders along with those in Egypt and Mesoamerica.

I am sure the Israelites did not build the pyramids, but there may have been a Jewish architect on the job site...You know those Jews....

New Biblical understanding says that maybe Enoch built the pyramids and the New Jerusalem in the new millennium future will be a huge golden colour pyramid shape in the sky. It was then used and to replicate getting to heaven like Enoch did and the knowledge of saviour and resurrection was known then about a Christ figure so it was latter twisted into myth whilst the Israelites kept the truth. Historians argue that it's the other way round but the Bible argues and tells beforehand another history whist Historians only guess in a atheist point of view and have nothing on paper to say the Old Testament and the Israelites were the ones who were influenced.

The claim that ancient Egyptians built the pyramids before the Israelites slavery begun is a generally accepted theory. Some people think though that Joseph is the same person as Imhotep, who is credited with designing the step pyramid, thus changing the accepted Egyptian chronology (which they claim is unreliable) to align with the biblical one.

As it stands, it seems to me, that most people who believe the accepted ancient Egypt chronology is correct doubt the validity of the Bible, and so whether the Israelites built the pyramids is a moot discussion. People who believe the Biblical chronology on the other hand cannot dismiss that Israelite slaves built some pyramids.

The Muslims can take heart knowing that they are the ones WHO KILLED OFF most of the descendants of the civilization that built the pyramids. In in another one of their endless jihads--you know, the 'slay the infidels' garbage they've been shoving down the world's throat for the past 13 centuries?

Muslims are capable of nothing except perpetrating murder, mayhem, and spin.
And they know it too.

If only we could mummify Islam permanently!