From Christian Broadcasting Network:
An Albanian Muslim extremist from Kosovo was recently arrested after allegedly plotting to blow up the parliament building in Montenegro.55-year-old Dodu L. was arrested by Austrian authorities last month while trying to board a flight in Vienna. 12 other ethnic Albanians were reportedly involved in the plot.
There is growing concern that Kosovo, a disputed region in the southern province of Serbia, is emerging as a bastion of radical Islam.
Growing concern, indeed, but not fast enough. At CBN Worldbeat, there is an excellent interview with James Jatras on the whole situation and NATO/UN connivance in letting Albanian Muslims force out the indigenous Kosovar Serbian community. Click HERE for the video.
Gee - and I thought that the villain of this entire plot in the Balkans were the Serbs?
Morgaan, give us the timelines of how the Montenegrins had been persecuting the Albanians er Kosovars. We need the rationalization of this attack as well.
I recognize that Albania and Bosnia are located near one another in the balkans but I was wondering if anyone can comment on how similiar the cultures are or if they are simply dominated by Islamic supremacist thought.
The reason I ask is that the recent shootings in Salt Lake City involved a young man from Bosnia and now this situation involving a woman from Albania.
Yes Kosovo cannot become a Muslim only enclave it seems that Muslims always are aiming to force out indigenous peoples and in the process the culure and history of the people are lost perhaps we should call all conquered areas by Muslims as cultures and peoples requiring protection and as endangered peoples. Is there a singlr instance in which the Muslims allow indiginous culture to survive in a non-Dhimmi way?
Infidel Pride, I have no intention whatsoever of doing anything to help a radical Islamist condone his egregious behavior.
As I pointed out to you the other day, every country in the world (including mine) is being besieged by money, arms and imams from Saudi Arabia. Does Kovoso have a problem with this? Yes. Do we have a problem with this? Yes. Does Vanuatu have a problem with this? Yes.
Wherever they're found: lock 'em up, deport 'em, whatever you have to do.
Now, please explain to me why you think it was all right for the Serbs to murder tens of thousands of people. And why you think it's OK for the Serbs to demand to RULE a people they tried to EXTERMINATE less than 15 years ago.
Thank you. I'll be waiting for an intelligent response, not your usual flame-throwing trollspeak.
a bosnian muslim just massacred 5 americans in an american shopping mall.
and you think that the jihad is still in europe?
Kosovo emerging as a radical Muslim bastion lol.
Kosovo is second to none in the world for crime, murder and ethnic cleansing genocidal Islamists.
In the 90's, I was guilty of assuming that the Serbs were in the wrong, and that Bosnian and Albanian Muslims were as innocent as, say, Slovenes, Poles, Estonians, et al. However, I did try to resolve how it was that Muslims everywhere else - PA territories, Kashmir, Chechnya, Mindanao, Baifra, Sudan, et al were beligerent thugs, while the ones in Bosnia and Kosovo were shrinking violets. So when the evidence showed that the Serbs were at the receiving end of Muslim violence, I found their case as convincing as I did for Israeli Jews, Kashmiri Pundits, Filipino Catholics, Nigerian Christians, Sudanese Christians and Animists, et al.
They aren't. They are simply demanding territory that's theirs: the people there are people who have spilt in from Albania. They don't have to live under Serb rule: they can move back to their own country - Albania.Let's say the US tried to expel all illegal Mexican residents in Imperial County, CA, and failed. By your logic, they should then forfeit any claims to Imperial County. Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro and Macedonia were parts of Yugoslavia, but not parts of Serbia. Kosovo is. Asking Belgrade to let go of Serbia is like asking the US to hand over California to Mexico, Maine to Canada, or asking Israel to hand over Jerusalem to the PA. Similarly, Uzbekistan isn't a part of Russia, but Chechnya is.
Besides, Slobodan Milosevic is dead, and Serbia now has a democratic government (at least more democratic than the kleptocracies in Afghanistan, Iraq and the PA). They don't deserve to continue to be internationally ostracized.
The Albanians who are there today are those who have spilt in from Albania. And like others have pointed out, they are now threatening the territorial integrity of not just Serbia (which as we all know doesn't deserve any control over any place, including Belgrade), but also Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece. So like I asked you, give me the timelines of all the historical wrongdoings of the Montenegrins, Macedonians (non Greek) and Greeks. I'm waiting.
Morgaan
Another point - the problem we have with Islam is a problem we have with Islam. It's not restricted to Wahabis, Sunni, Shia, and nor do we accept that Ahmadiya, Sufi, Ismailiya or other less belligerent Islamic sects are more acceptable. We don't hate Islam because of Mohammed Abdel Wahhab, or Abu Baqr, or Ali, or Imam Hussein, or Khomenei, or Osama, or Zawahiri, or Zarqawi, or Nasrallah, or Maulana Azhar Mahmud.
We hate Islam because of Prophet Mohammed, and the inspiration he provided to the above characters in inhuman history.
The territorial integrity of Montenegrins, Macedonians and Greeks is not threatened.
Milosevic may be dead, but the Serb government has NOT handed over Mladic and Radkovic. The "radical" Serb party won more votes than anybody, and that is the party that wants the Serbs to rule the world, followed by Venus, Mars and the asteroid belt.
Why do you sound EXACTLY like the contingent at anti-war.com, run by Nebosja Malic (who fled the Balkans ONE DAY after Dayton)?????
This should tell you something about the approach you're taking.
But do remember, the Serb disinformationalists planted people in both camps.
Bottom line: When the term "Serb" and "ethnic" are in the same sentence, it's time to panic. Because the word "cleansing" generally comes next.
Not only has The Hague been hounding Karadzic and Mladic all these years, but now they're demanding Radkovic as well?
Radkovic?
WTF?
I honestly believe Kosovo is ground zero for the struggle for Europe. The west has been fed propoganda for too long about muslim suffering in this region when in reality there has been opression by muslims. Sebrenica was a myth. Canadian General Mckenzie who was there disputes the numbers. And if Germany gets its way with this ridiculous genocide denial law he may be prosecuted. If Germany gets its way any genocidal denial will place someone in jail for thought crimes. What does this mean? If you dispute the PC version of history that muslims were murdered in Bosnia and Kosovo while all they wanted is peace, you will go to jail. If you deny that the palestinian situation is genocide you will go to jail.Pretty scary.
To this day, I can't believe we became involved in the Balkans militarily. Who thought breaking up Yugoslavia was a good idea in the first place? Now we're taking the side of the KLA... Egad.
Serb=bad, Albanian Kosovar=good seems to be the U.S. position going back to 1999. Not very nuanced.
I also don't want Karadzic, Mladic and Radkovic handed over either - at least not unless they look into what concerned the Serbs about Alia Izetbegovic's public statements about Islamization, accompanied by an investigation into Muslim and Croat provocations that started the Bosnian war.
Haven't heard of them, but anybody who is suspicious of Muslims is making a very good assumption, and are entitled to their 'guilty until proven innocent' assumption. No, unlike some of the other supporters of Serbia, I'm not a Serb, but I sympathize with all the enemies that Islam has earned itself - Jews, Serbs, Biafrans, Sudanese, Ethiopians, Filipinos, Russians, Chinese, as well as Infidel people within dar ul Islam, such as Chaldeans, Assyrians, Zoroastrians, Paki & Indonesian Christians, Bangladeshi and Malaysian Hindus, et al.In fact, I'm even willing to hold my nose and support Communists who are genuinely anti-Islamic, so it's not difficult for me to correct my previous assumptions about the Serbs, made possible by anti-Serb hatred by the MSM - totally oblivious to the activities of the Bosnian and Albanian Muslims.
From the esteemed Morgan
"Now, please explain to me why you think it was all right for the Serbs to murder tens of thousands of people. And why you think it's OK for the Serbs to demand to RULE a people they tried to EXTERMINATE less than 15 years ago."
Are you talking about Bosnia here ( the timeline suggests as much ) or Kosovo ( which is what the article is about ) ?
That's the thing with you Serbophobes , the dribbling gets in the way of any coherence .
Anyway , it was Izetbegovic who refused to sign the Carrington-Cutileiro peace plan that would have headed off civil war in Bosnia . Both the Serbs and Croats signed . Your hero had stated that he'd rather have war .
Great guy .
You keep ever so quiet about Abdic don't you . Now why is that ?
Is it because he was a genuine SECULAR Muslim who allied himself with the Serbs . Goes against your argument somewhat doesn't it , Morgan . After all , the Serbs were supposedly bent on EXTERMINATION ( Yup , we're talking CAPITALS here ) .
And why did the Sarajevo Islamists slaughter their own people ( Markale massacre , numerous sninpings , etc ) and why did they refuse to let any civilians leave Sarajevo ? Again , the Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs insisted on the removal of any civilians from a war spot . Your hero refused . He couldn't give a f%^k so long as he got his way .
The ends ALWAYS justify the means with nihilists .
One more thing , for the previous years we'd been informed that the Bosnian Civil War took about a quarter of a million lives , nearly all of them the Muslims . Now , it seems , the Sarajevo Islamists had been telling porkies of a truly humoungous scale.
Now , it's been revealed that the entire death toll is 100,000 . What's more , the Bosnian Croat and Bosnian Serb figures were very close to the final estimated numbers , it was the Islamists who'd been clutching figures from the interstellar ether , doubling them and then bunging on a couple of zeroes at the end , just for good measure .
As I said , the Serbophobes can't count either . It's the dribbling .
Morgaan why do you assume that the history of Balkans starts 15 years ago? Maybe because you do not wish the people here to find out the facts - for when you build your life on lies, the only way to continue living to keep lying.
There was in Kosovo and Metohija 80/20 (% of poulation) for Serbs in the 1960ies - now there is 95-5 for Abanians;
there was 70-30 for Croats in Croatia in 1990 now there is 90-10,
Then:
there was 65-35 (% of land ownership) in Croatia in 1990 for Croats, now there is 98-2,
there was 90-10 in Kosovo an Metohija for Serbs in 1960ies now there is about 85-15 for Albanians.
there was 70-30 in Bosnia and Herzegovina for Serbs in 1990 now there is 51-49 for so called Federation (Moslem and Croats).
Yes there was "ethnic cleansing" but not the way you are crying about.
So, stop saying half truths and have a look at the facts - now, if you are Shiptar or Balija or some other Jihadist - which, for some reason I think you are, - remember - one day, soon, everyone will know the truth - just like people here, on JW know - small steps my friend, small steps - soon enough US will figure it out and see that none of their mighty allies from NATO will help them - mighty allies who run away on the first sight of voter's lack of confidence or little terrorist action at home or the fact that their soldiers do not get enough hair netts in the war theatre - but that there are only couple of nations on this planet who know how to fight you and your kind of virus my little Mecca praying friend.
"a bosnian muslim just massacred 5 americans in an american shopping mall."
Correction; a DEAD bosnian muslim just massacred 5 americans in an american shopping mall.
@xristos.anesti
Good comment. Kosovo has always been Serb, actually it's been the cradle of Serb culture and not just some far off province like Chechnya is for the Russians. The Albanians only started recently to come into that province as you point out - and soon will take it over - with the help of NATO.
While Europeans seem to care so much to enforce allegedly false Muslim claims - Jersualem should be Muslim, Kosovo Muslim etc. they don't bother once it concerns Christians or any nonmulim claims.
Based on the same reasoning the Dutch f.e would soon have to accept a Muslim sovereign state in greater Amsterdam: it'll soon become predominantly muslim and a great part of these muslims feel oppressed by Dutch authorities. (how dare they impose Dutch laws on a Muslim population anyway..).
Let's see if NATO will take action once again to stop Dutch interference with local Muslim authorities and enforce a Muslim state there, too.
They might take action as soon as some islamist terror activities threatens to provocate a backlash for Muslims, be it only that the police conducts massive searches in Muslim areas. This danger certainly has to be evaluated mainly on Muslim sources, known for their impartiality, for not getting some Duch biased views.
With Amsterdam being already one of the main trading places for drugs in Europe there seems to be a sound economic basis anyway - what NATO deems okay for Kosovo and Afghanistan can't be bad for a muslim Amsterdam after all.
@Morgaan Sinclair
Since many more eloquent persons give you much more better answers than I would, I will jump over many other topics u have mentioned, exept few:
*You mention Serbian Radical party.Good.I newer vote for them, but most probably I will. But let me tell u few things about them. Their leader, Vojislav Sheshelj (now imprisoned in haque over indicment that he incite hatred-or better said speech crime), have introducement in my life back than in 1991.Than, as a leader of Chetnick movement, he rally a protest in a front of american embassy in Belgrade.Reason?Simply, he offer americans to send at least 200 chetnic volunteers to Iraq, to help americans fight, as he said "radical islamist around the world". Offcourse, he didnt failed to mention how we were allyies in both grate wars, and that Serbs stand for democracy agains jihad far longer that anyone have even heard for a continet called America. But, as u can (with gladness ofcourse) assume, he was rejected. Bush senior decide that calling avganistan mujahedeens, expirienced in beheding evil russians, was far better option. Perhaps he wish to give them additional training, to prepare tham against his own voters? (sarcasam). Now, we all know where american policy moves after 1991, considering us (Serbs).As USA failed to miss an opportunyty to side with any single our enemy, Voyislav and his radicals slowly turn to the dark side of force. BTW, I dont wanna deny personal Miloshevic communist idiocy in all that time,but Sloba was nockdown on 5th oct. 2000. We try to reach americans after that,even the sirens from bombing campaign still ring in our ears. But, as u can (with gladness ofcourse) assume, we were rejected (again-sarcasm). In 2003 our democratic pm (Zoran Zivkovic) offer to send 1000 serbian regular troopers to Afganistan.Answer: "Beep.We dont need u guys, although we r in war against terror."(One small digretion here-so far I know, second man in Alqaida, was in Bosnia during 90ies, and get wounded by serbian sniper.I gues, best score in fighting alqaida leadership-for now). But, again, Bush, this time junior clone, reject that, thinking that allyes from Musharaf Pakistan are far more willing to fight alqaidians.Or to put it to your brain morgaane far simple, u may be a serb who like americans (regardless the reasons), or u may be a Serb who is antiamerican (regardless the reasons), the end result is always the same. U r Serb. Thus: Serbs-evil, Albanians-good.
*Your poetic wise werse:"When the term "Serb" and "ethnic" are in the same sentence, it's time to panic. Because the word "cleansing" generally comes next.", bring a lot of emotions in my heart. Personaly, after all I have witnessed in this country, I so wish that u r right. But dont worry, u r not. Since, after Kosovo, next in a line for plunnder from my Serbia is Voyvodina,cos there is 30 % of non serbs out there. Fuckit, we were not so decent as your dear albanians in Kosovo who spare at most 8 % of other etnic people (sarcasm). I mean 30% of non serbs. U need only 20% of serbs, bribed with a story of proeuropian utopia, and again there is another more state in Europe.Since I am a nationalis (yes, yes morgan, Iam very VERY evil man, I rape bosnian women for breakfast and eat albanians for supper-croatians are only for ocasional desert)(sarcasm), there is nothign left for me but stand in a line with many other Serbs, who finally realised that our doom from your side have no end untill we all simply drop dead-one day. Miloshevic, and latter Sheshelj has warned us more than a decade ago, that america wont stop till we Serbs be reduced on so called Belgrade pashaluk. And worst of all (this I will never forget to americans, however they dont give a shit for that), Miloshevic was right after all, when he said on national television, few days before his final downfall in october 2000:"I suppose that anyone now realise, that they (i.e. americans), not ruin Serbia becouse Miloshevic, but they ruin Miloshevic because of Serbia".Well, I didnt realise. I still liked america, feel as a westerner and tought that Sloba is a problem. Not me.It was to wait for next american step toward us to realise that I was duped. One smuggler, Milo Djukanovic, who support Sloba for 10 years just to change a side in 1997, succeed to carve Montenegro from us.Even almost half of Montenegro voted to stay in union with Serbia, decisive were bosniaks and albanian votes(muslims, morgaane, muslims). Yet another liberated nation. That Milo is just another criminal, ovbiously is not an obstacle for any american administration.But Milo at least was not involved in killing the Serbs. Your dear albanian ally Agim Cheku did.But, regardles everything, Iam not worryed for our Serbian future.I forget to mention that Putin and his ruskies will break their leags to save us. Again. (sarcasm).
*You know, regardless all,I will continue to be evil, cos what can I do, Iam a Serb? I mean, God has make me as a Serb, and if I have any option before that I would wish that I was born as a Greek. Beautifull sea, shinny Sun and glorious history (with no albanians at all, well almost no).Little bit more fat girls, but I would use to it. But what a fuck. I was dropped from my mothers womb,on one chilli day, I have opened my big blue eyes and said: Fuckit, Iam a Serb (again).So u see, I am evil,and only thanks to a good people like u I will not be able to train my naturaly born sadism on muslims. Maybe I turn to masohism.Or maybe I just buy a barrel of beer and sack of popcorns and sit in a couch, watching on TV how good muslims in their goodnes, produce tiny minority of evilones (usualy cos of actions of persons like me), and than go to visita to highly evolved persons like u.(sarcasm).Ah yes, but just as I have posted u few days before, u dont need to worry on that.Because, as I have said than:
I realy, REALY, wish, that u and all those like you live the rest of your life just as Serbs live their life among "good" albanians.
But u r too rich for that, right.
(not a sarcasm)
@ Morgaane Sinclair
I forget to ask u: who the hell is Radkovic?
Morgaan Sinclair the way you shamelessly lie to people right in their face, you must be a muslim:
"The territorial integrity of Montenegrins, Macedonians and Greeks is not threatened."
This whole thread is about muslim albanians attacking Montenegro and if albanians don't threaten Macedonia then what the hell was the 2001 war between Macedonians and albanians about??
Or perhaps you mean that the albanians want all of Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece besides Serbia and rule the infidels there??
I can tell you for sure that the Serbs don't want to rule any albanians. I'm certain that the Serbs would be happy if albanians left Serbia including Kosovo and went home to albania or better yet mecca
morgaan sinclair
The territorial integrity of Montenegrins, Macedonians and Greeks is not threatened
i guess you have a selected memory after nato had forced the serb army out of kosovo the KLA started to cause trouble in macedonia in a place called titavo they started attacking macedonians and said they wanted to take titavo because macedonians where not giving thme equal rights also NATO even had to go in macedonia to stop the violence also the macedonias had giving refuge to albanians who had left kosovo i guess albanians want it all.
also as for Greece albanians have a map of a greater albanian and parts of northern Greece are on this map also so are parts of macedonia
pissedoffcanadian:
"I honestly believe Kosovo is ground zero for the struggle for Europe."
Yes very true, Kosovo is the precedent for all of Europe. If the albanians succeed in creating a new muslim state on Christian European soil simply because they are a majority there, it means that muslims will be able to claim whatever part of Europe where they have become a majority either by breeding or driving out the native population.
No to mention that kosovo is used as a major al Qaeda base for distribution of drugs into western europe and kidnapping of young women from estern europe for prostitution, all part of a demographical warfare to reduce the number of non-muslims in europe.
To Serbs here. As an american I am really sorry about what happened. Seems that Clinton was a fool. Again. So sorry.
ZK
Posted by: zonie kafir
Its, ok pal, nobody here realy put a blame on americans as a nation.Rather its a polticians who done the mess. After all, we here also have television, and we know it servs for tuning brain cells of people.Now, I dont like to say this, but I realy think that you americans are the only people on the world who belive that there is a big difference who sits in WH and who controll the congress. From my point it looks like:Clinton bomb us to rip out Kosovo from us and bring Marti Ahtissari for main negotiator.7 years latter, Bush jr. put albanian sovereinty as "mission acomplished" and bring Marti Ahtissari for main negotiator.BTW. I realy wonder if is a truth that Martis father was in finland ss division 'viking'?Anyway, maybe for average american there is a difference (helthcare, education, military spendings etc), but for rest of us not much.I realy wish that no decent man in america and rest of world ever live his Kosovo.But Iam realy a sceptic on that. And ofcourse that wish doesnt apply on you morgaane.
Many in the Western world still have vested mental interests in the idea that Serbs have no case and the Muslims, whether "Bosnian" or Albanian, are always more sinned against than sinning. Such people, who know nothing of what Izetbegovic openly declared was his plan -- the restoration of a Muslim state, complete with Shari'a -- nor of the slightest understanding of the felt history of the Balkans. Do you think Bill Clinton or General Clark knew what the word "devshirme" means? Do you think they do today? Do you think that they, or the others involved in bombing all of Serbia in such an implacable fashion, had ever given any thought ot what Islam had wrought in the Balikans, or how making the Balkans safe or even safer for Muslims, and taking the Muslim side in every quarrel with Serbia, was just possibly not the snesible thing to do? Do you think that any of those who were so certain of who wore White and who wore Black in the Balkans, a decade ago, and who were completely lacking in any historical sense, have been closely watching the Balkans since, and managed to modify their set-in-amber views?
Perhaps it is only when all those who were too lazy to fully comprehend, but merely followed fashion (see Peter Handke's defense of the Serbs), are removed from government that something like common sense will be exhibited by Western governments in the Balkans. It is the same with the Lesser Jihad against Israel: only when those who keep prating about a "two-state solution" that will somehow assuage the Muslim Arabs, are shown up as ignorant of or oblivious to Islam, can something like common sense be made to prevail over theories and over "peace-processing in our time."
Muslims move in to an area, destroy the economy, overpopulate, push for independance, make it islamic rule, decide it is no longer a good place to live, move to another country, start over...
The only way to stop it - No muslim immigration.
The whole situation in the Balkans was a mystery to outsiders because we were only told what the mainstream media would tell us. The language barrier is a problem. And the muslims have people all over the world to tell their side of the story. Did Milosevic speak English? No, so when he spoke his words were not heard in America or the UK.
flibustier-exactly.
The whole situation reminds me of two school kids. One boy poking the other over and over and over but the teacher does not see. The second asks the first to stop over and over but the first does not stop. Finally, the second boy beats up the first boy, the teacher notices that the second boy struck first. Who gets in trouble? The second boy because the little annoyance didn't get noticed and he doesn't get to tell his side. And even if he did little annoyances should be ignored, turn the other cheek and all that.
It's a game the muslims are playing all around the world.
And they are good at it.
And Christians fall for it every time.
Yeah, it's obvious now that Clinton was fighting the wrong enemy ! Ah, but the Lord allows all of us to see the truth behind the corrupt doors of government now too.
arm the serbs with all modern weapons and let them take care of the problem..........
My husband is part of the current KFOR rotation of NATO troops in Kosovo. He reports that most of the Muslims he encounters there are only nominally "Muslim," or largely secular. Also, the younger generation (teens and twenties) doesn't want a continuation of the fighting that has gone on for centuries. They are oriented toward Europe and the U.S., and they want to achieve and enjoy what modern society has to offer, not live in the past. My husband is busy trying to teach some Kosovar/Albanian high schoolers what it means to participate in a democracy--taking responsibility in the form of civic service and voting, to begin with. They're fascinated to hear from a "real 'live American" what life is really like for us. They need more such influence and encouragement from other Americans if they're not to be wooed by Islamic radicals who find that largely lawless region so convenient for setting up shop. Besides, Mr. Jatras rightly stated in the interview that everyone in the Balkans has blood on their hands. Each ethnic/religious group has persecuted and slaughtered the others as they have had oppportunity. We need to demonstrate to the ones willing to listen that there is a better way of life than what the Jihadis would like them to pursue. Better to contribute to that effort instead of quickly spitting on every Muslim we hear about as if they're all hopeless. Some, those not indoctrinated by the radicals, really do want freedom. Don't forget about them.
Yes, but the first crisis and they become "religious" again.
The film director Emir Kusturica, formerly described as a "Muslim," who chooses to live in Belgrade, has finally dropped that "Muslim" business altogether and, in so doing, explained that at some time in the Ottoman past some ancestors of his had been forced to convert to Islam, but he no longer saw any reason to continue to pretend he was a Muslim or to offer loyalty to a belief-system that had been forced on those ancestors. So he is, very publicly, no longer to be described as a "Muslim." His reasons for sloughing off that designation have not received any publicity, but they could.
About Emir Kusturica:
"On Đurđevdan (St. George's Day) in 2005 Emir, was baptised into the Serb Orthodox Church as Nemanja Kusturica in Savina monastery near Herceg NoviTo his critics this was the final betrayal of his Muslim roots (Bosnian Croat writer Mile Stojić commented: "... it shall be written that Kusta was the first Orthodox Christian in modern history whose father's name was Murat";Murat, and the director's first name, Emir, are overtly Muslim.) Emir replied that: "My father was an atheist and he always described himself as a Serb. OK, maybe we were Muslim for 250 years, but we were Orthodox before that and deep down we were always Serbs, religion cannot change that. We only became Muslims to survive the Turks."
That is something that those Muslim-for-identification-purposes Muslims should be made aware of. Would anyone wish to hand on to one's children, if one no longer believed, the belief-system of Islam? What if that child, or a grandchild, were to actually take Islam seriously? What would that do to the possibilities of the mental growth of that child?
Kusturica may, in this respect, be a model to emulate.
no to darkness the albanians have already been wooed by radicals islamist thats why they are burning churches in kosovo they force the christian serbs out the KLA had links to osama bin laden
its really sad that your husband is part of kfor who have stood back and let the albanians burn churchs and force the serbs out of kosovo but the only way you and your husband will be repayed in the future is probalby with a other 911 or salt lake shooting
notodarkness:
Since your husband is in Kosovo, does he have any knowledge of the slave brothels where christian girls from all over eastern europe are kidnapped and forced by the muslim albanian mafia to work as prostitutes and service the KFOR soldiers there??
(Perhaps that's the reason he is so happy to be in Kosovo.)
thank you president clinton
Dear oh dear , notodarkness , where oh where to start with your , ahem comment . Hey , let's start at the beginning
"My husband is part of the current KFOR rotation of NATO troops in Kosovo. He reports that most of the Muslims he encounters there are only nominally "Muslim," or largely secular."
Ah , that's a little like the bloke in the pub told me so it must be true . You're certainly off to a rousing start deary .
"Also, the younger generation (teens and twenties) doesn't want a continuation of the fighting that has gone on for centuries."
Well they're certainly showing a strange way of demonstrating that . Ethnically cleansing every minority from Kosovo - the Jews , Kosovo Croats , Rom , ethnic Turks , Goranis , Circassians , ethnic Macedonians , ethnic Montenegrins , ethnic Serbs , ethnic Egyptians - these ethnic groups are either history or in the process of being consigned to that historical dustbin .
Hey , notodarkness , why didn't you mention any of these minorities ?
And what about the Catholic Kosovo Albanians , the vast majority were "loyal Albanians" - they NEVER caused any problems to the Serb forces , even the prosecution witnesses at the Milosevic trial had to admit it - you didn't menition their plight either .
Now why was that ?
"They are oriented toward Europe and the U.S., and they want to achieve and enjoy what modern society has to offer, not live in the past."
So your definition of "oriented toward Europe and the U.S" is
a) to control the heroin market of Europe and the US
b) control the sex slave trade too
c) to have links with the Wahhabis and the qud forces of Iran ( who make Bin Laden seem like a school boy )
d) to ethnically cleanse the entire area of any minorities
e) to have the highest birth rate in the world - or close to - it's sky high
To me , they sound like degenerate third world Muslims not citizens of Europe or the US . Or maybe you should find better friends , cause , little girl , they don't sound like any of mine
"My husband is busy trying to teach some Kosovar/Albanian high schoolers what it means to participate in a democracy--taking responsibility in the form of civic service and voting, to begin with.
Well , he's not doing a very good job now is he . Been reading the news lately ? They were recently caught trying to blow up the Montenegrin Parliament , some rockets that were fired at the US embassy in Greece came from these very same "Europe and US oriented" Muslims you hold up as being a beacon of tolerance and decency .
"It seems the They're fascinated to hear from a "real 'live American" what life is really like for us. They need more such influence and encouragement from other Americans if they're not to be wooed by Islamic radicals who find that largely lawless region so convenient for setting up shop."
So you're admitting the area is LAWLESS . Now , who's fault is that ? Kosovo has been under the de facto control of your "US and European oriented" Islamists for about 7 years , they've had billions pumped into the area and yet , the place is "lawless" .
I know what , let's blame the Serbs .
" Besides, Mr. Jatras rightly stated in the interview that everyone in the Balkans has blood on their hands. Each ethnic/religious group has persecuted and slaughtered the others as they have had oppportunity"
BOING !!!!
He never said "Each ethnic/religious group has persecuted and slaughtered the others as they have had oppportunity"
Liar liar pants of fire , little girl .
Under Belgrade rule , the Albanians could use their language in court , etc . Many of the most senior postions were held by Kosovo Albanians , etc . All the minorities could be taught in their own language at school - a telling example , the very small Circassian community of Kosovo , about 3 villages were educated in their language and Serbian , they were very loyal and armed by Belgrade against your heroes , the KLA . Circassians are known for their loyalty of whichever country they're in , in Israel they fight with distinction in the IDF and in Jordan they are part of the King's Presidential guard . They were the first minority to be cleansed from Kosovo . By your friends , those "western oriented" Muslims. Way to go -
You know what happens to little girls who lie now don't you . Naughty naughty .
"We need to demonstrate to the ones willing to listen that there is a better way of life than what the Jihadis would like them to pursue. Better to contribute to that effort instead of quickly spitting on every Muslim we hear about as if they're all hopeless. Some, those not indoctrinated by the radicals, really do want freedom. Don't forget about them."
You got that pile not poopy plops from 7th Heaven didn't you . What a pile of crap .
From European Crusader:
"notodarkness:
Since your husband is in Kosovo, does he have any knowledge of the slave brothels where christian girls from all over eastern europe are kidnapped and forced by the muslim albanian mafia to work as prostitutes and service the KFOR soldiers there??
(Perhaps that's the reason he is so happy to be in Kosovo.)
ARF
The vast majority of Albanians are only nominally Muslim. In reality, most are secularists, atheists or even Christian (as was Mother Theresa of Calcutta). Albania is a staunch ally of the USA, and the Albanian people are genuinely pro-European. The Albanian national hero is Skanderberg, a Christian who fought against the Ottoman Turks; his image is everywhere in the country from the money to Albanian brandy.
I am a staunch supporter of jihadwatch and all it stands for, but I have to say with respect that those who are trying to portray the Albanian-Serb issue as having something with the worldwide struggle against jihad have got it horribly wrong. The problem between Serbs and Albanians is just an old-fashioned nationalistic historical enmity, and the religious aspect to it is not as significant as it appears on the surface. The Serbs did unfairly persecute the Albanian majority in Kosova and did attempt genocide against them. NATO was absolutely corect in its intervention to save the Albanian Kosovars from those carrying out the orders of monsters like Milosevic, Mladic and Karadzic.
To learn more about the historical context of the Albanians, I recommend Edith Durham's "High Albania", published in 1909 and available free online at:
http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/durham/albania/albania.html
With regard to the Balkans in general, I am somewhat horrified to read that there are some here who seem to deny (or at least dispute the figures) that 8000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys in Srebrenica were massacred by the Serbs; this is morally equivalent to Ahmadinejad's holocaust denial.
Hilarious , Northumbrian , really funny . Those dreaded Sunday evenings cum Monday mornings will never be the same again
Let's do a notodarkness and look at your musings shall we ?
"The vast majority of Albanians are only nominally Muslim. In reality, most are secularists, atheists or even Christian (as was Mother Theresa of Calcutta)"
So why did they recruit 500 mujahideen - via Abu Hamza - to ack as shock troops against the Serbs ?
Al Qaeda also gave weapons , men , etc and ( according to some reports ) so did the Iranian VEVAK . Why on the other hand were the Serbs biggest allies in the civil wars that engulfed the region , Israel and Greece ?
See the wee point ?
On the one hand we have your team cheered on by Bin Laden , EIJ , etc and on the other hand our team were getting arms shipments , intelligence , etc from Israel .
Interestingly you too don't seem to care about the minorities of Kosovo , all of whom supported the Serbs . Has it ever occurred to you why all the minorities supported the Serbs ?
Ever?
And what about the loyalist - largely Catholic -Albanians ? The Serbs treated them well , yet your heroes tortured them to death .
No comment about that either .
So , we have the KLA , your boys , being almost 100% Muslims and the other side , the Serbs , who got invaluable help from the loyalist Kosovo Albanians , being almost 100% Catholic .
" Albania is a staunch ally of the USA, and the Albanian people are genuinely pro-European. The Albanian national hero is Skanderberg, a Christian who fought against the Ottoman Turks; his image is everywhere in the country from the money to Albanian brandy."
Well , I think you're confusing Kosovo with Albania , two completely different places . Really , go look at a map .
And why aren't you mentioning the leader of Albania , a Sali Berisha , who has very close links with the EIJ , so close in fact that he gave them refuge in his country after they'd gunned down Sadat of Egypt .
Why did the people of Albania choose to re elect such a man ?
"I am a staunch supporter of jihadwatch and all it stands for, BUT I have to say with respect that those who are trying to portray the Albanian-Serb issue as having something with the worldwide struggle against jihad have got it horribly wrong."
Oh boy , that "BUT" says a 1,000 words . Me thinks you're an Islamist apologist . Just a pathetic little dhimmi . Admit it , you've been outed , DHIMMIBOY
"The problem between Serbs and Albanians is just an old-fashioned nationalistic historical enmity, and the religious aspect to it is not as significant as it appears on the surface.
Ah , so you admit there is indeed a religious significance, .
The lad's learning .
Yes , the KLA are a bunch of violent racists shits , the Serbs on the other hand respected the rights of all the minorities in Kosovo . A small example : the road signs were written in Serbian and also in Albanian in areas with an Albanian majority , or in Turkish and Serbian in places , like Mumza , with an ethnic Turk majority .
"The Serbs did unfairly persecute the Albanian majority in Kosova and did attempt genocide against them. NATO was absolutely corect in its intervention to save the Albanian Kosovars from those carrying out the orders of monsters like Milosevic, Mladic and Karadzic.
So give us one single example of where the Serb authorities persecuted the Kosovo Albanians . Come on lad , you can do it .
And one more point , Mladic and Karadzic didn't command units or have political posts in Kosovo . Sorry to raise that wee point . I see that geography's not your strong suit now is it .
"To learn more about the historical context of the Albanians, I recommend Edith Durham's "High Albania", published in 1909 and available free online at:
Published in 1909 ? Nineteen friggin' oh friggin' nine ? What are you on ?
"With regard to the Balkans in general, I am somewhat horrified to read that there are some here who seem to deny (or at least dispute the figures) that 8000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys in Srebrenica were massacred by the Serbs;"
ARF
You obviously haven't read the ICTY transcripts to the Srebrenica trials have you . Even they don't suggest that 8,000 were executed . The ICTY accept that many of the missing were killed in ambushes , etc , when the 28th Division in a military operation and reached Tuzla .
The number , 8,000 is poppycock too . We're talking a couple of 1,000 , the majority being killed en route to Tuzla in legitimate fights with the VRS . Several 100 were executed , it's part of any civil war . Terrible revenge for unspeakable killing , for unimaginable cruelty , etc .
" This is morally equivalent to Ahmadinejad's holocaust denial."
So you think that the Holocaust only took the lives of ( even with your silly numbers ) 8,000 ?
Really ? Because that's what you're doing , equating an event where , even using your cuckoo land numbers , took 8,000 people , with the Holocaust . See the moral equivalency here ?
8,000 is comparable with 6,000,000
I'm sorry to say this , but
you sound like the Holocaust revisionist .
Ewha1, I really don't know where to begin with your patronising rant; I made my point with civility, you did not. I suspect that you are just another tiresome Serb nationalist polluting this anti-jihad site with your unpleasant racism and warped historical perspective.
And yes, I do know the difference between Albania and Kosova; I have taken a close interest in Albania and Albanian affairs for over twenty years.
As me for me being a dhimmi, well I never thought I would see the day when someone as profoundly anti-jihadist as myself would ever be labelled with such an epithet.
I don't have time at present to rebutt your useless tirade, but I will be back when I have time. In the meantime, keep dreaming about your "Field of Blackbirds".
WOW , devastating rebuattal . Way to go
I still love that "BUT" in the bit just after you say you really adore reading Jihadwatch.
Priceless
To summarize , you didn't comment about the following .
1) The KLA recruited 500 Mujahideen . Both Abu Hamza and the Pakistani leader have spoken at length about this
2) Links between the KLA and Al Qaeda . Also links between the KLA and the EIJ . Also - suspected - links between the KLA and Al Quds forces
3) the Serbs being helped by every , EVERY , minority in Kosovo . All of 'em . Some of them were quite Conservative Muslims , the Circassians for instance , yet none , NONE , supported the KLA
4) the plight of the Catholic Kosovo Albanians . An endangered species . The vast majority of the KLA's victims from 1998 to early 1999 were these loyal Kosovo Albanians
5) Serbia's biggest ally was Israel , with the possible exception of Greece . They provided guns and intel . Now , why would Israel support Serbia , if , as you claim , it's got nothing to do with Islamists ?
6) Albania's present leader has very close links with the EIJ . Al Zawahiri's bunch .
7) The KLA ordered all Kosovo Albanians out of Kosovo during NATO's bombing . We've got senior KLA commanders admitting this at the ICTY . Not a single Kosovo Albanian witness testified that they'd been forced to leave by Serb forces in the Milosevic trial . Not one .
I'll try not to mention your equating the Holocaust with an event that took 8,000 - I'll even use your silly billy numbers - lives .
Eight friggin' thousand is comparable with what the Nazis did in WW2 ?
So there we have it . A whole raft of questions , none of which you even tried to answer . Instead , you said that you are a civil chap , then said I was a racist - priceless . Under Belgrade rule all the minorities of Kosovo were treated really well , including the Kosovo Albanians . You on the other hand are a cheerleader for the KLA , who torture to death anyone who is not ethnic Albanian - and finally you exited stage left in an enourmous sulk parroting some lame Schwarzenneggeresque "I'll be back" one liner .
But that's all you Serbophobes can do . Shout "racist" and "Holocaust denier" . Pathetic , and even more ludicrous when it is your KLA who are racist , and you who are belittling the Holocaust .
You're a child
Ewha1, you intellectual dwarf, I didn't make any comparison between 8000 murdered at Srebrenica and the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis; that comparison took place in your imagination. And by the way, I am a staunch supporter of Israel and find it somewhat ironic that you should bring it into the picture since I distinctly remember that there was a great deal of sympathy in Israel for the Kosova Albanians at the time of the attempted Serbian ethnic cleansing of Kosova.
You wrote: "So give us one single example of where the Serb authorities persecuted the Kosovo Albanians . Come on lad , you can do it .".
Well, how about the closure of all Albanian universities in Kosova, particularly Pristina university? Then, of course, there was also the systematic destruction of Albanian villages and the widespread murder of innocent Albanian villagers, not KLA fighters, by Serbian thugs such as Arkan (a relation or friend of yours, perhaps?).
You also wrote: "the Serbs on the other hand respected the rights of all the minorities in Kosovo". You must have had your tongue firmly in your cheek when you wrote those choice words. I don't feel the need to rebutt nonsense like that in the same way that I wouldn't try to disabuse someone claiming the moon was made out of cheese.
If you are not a Serb nationalist, then at the very least you sound like one of those demented left-wingers who supported Serbia because it was the last bastion of communism in Europe. And we all know that the depraved far-left is in league with the islamofascists, and so by the same school of spurious logic that you applied to me, I accuse you of being a dhimmi (and a racist, because I know that you are just itching to call me a shqiptar, aren't you?).
Dobra Dan
Northumbrian, you should learn first how to name the place properly: it's Kosovo. It means land of the blackbirds. "Kosova" means nothing in Albanian it's just an Albanian way of pronouncing it.
Second, Serbia never closed the University in Pristina, it is the Albanians themselves that refused to participate in lectures since they would not adhere to Serbian curriculum.
And third, since 1999 all kind of investigation teams tried to find evidence of some kind of "genocide" and produced exactly nothing.
Of course, neither you or any other Serb-hater actually bother to say how is it that the Albanian majority in Kosovo and Metohija came to be in the first place nor do you like to speak about the Albanian expansionist ambitions that go way back in the 19th century.
@ The Northumbrian
Hi. I dont know for that person ewha1, but Iam a Serb and I am nationalist. Wait, dont run, please.I'll not harm u (how could I anyway?).
Just reasonable speech.And forgive me for, as u say, polluting this site.
Now, u have said:
"To learn more about the historical context of the Albanians, I recommend Edith Durham's "High Albania", published in 1909 and available free online at:
http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/durham/albania/albania.html"
and I did.Among first text to slip on, in first chapter is this:"And with the language has survived the fierce racial instinct, which to this day makes the Albanian regard the Slav as his first and worst foe."Ok. So even your anglos admit (in year 1909) that albanians owerwelmingly hate Slavs i.e. your story about our genocidal attempt 8 years ago is a pile of crap.And they hate us, and will hate us regardel what u do or tell them.Why?I suppose, as text above stated, its racial instinct.And on that point I agree more with him than with JW. Albanians, as well the rest of balkans, were never to religious people. After all, if they were, would they dump catholicism for islam? But when u have muslim nation, u can never know when some individual in it will strain to paths of jihad.Muslim may be peacefull, but his own son can decide that jihad is just right (Salt lake city fresh exemple).But lets stik to racial instincts. Albanians firmly belive in story that they are descendants of ancient Iliryans (beside many of them belive they r descendants of even older Pelasgians-they actualy can go to the roots of cromagnons).They claim that on basis of Ptolomy account of Ilyrian tribe of Albanoi, settled in middle Albania in 1st c.a.d.Now, if u r such a friend of them, u know that they NEVER ever called themselves albanians, except on foreign language. They always called themselves shqiptars (pron. sheeptars), with meaning of "clear speech" or "clearity".So, why they stick to that unpoven story of ancient roots? Well, its so conviniant as apology to invade any other neighbor, wich is not indigenious (this appllies even on a Greeks).How they get that history. Well, google it for League of Prizren. And please, try to figure out why they have grates birthrate in the world (grater than arabs in the M.E.).Maybe u realise why your England will one day looks exactly the same as Kosov"A" (and maybe u live enough to see your pakistanis neighbours claiming that they are descendants of ancient Picts (or maybe Pritians-after all a stonehenge may be a protomosk)).
Your claim to ewha1 to "keep dreaming about battle of the black birds is abominate.".But dont worry, Iam not a muslim, so Ill not get insulted, nor will gundown someone for that. Mocking the shiniest part of Serbian history, and the man (princ Lazar) who was revered as hero even by a turks who beheded him, is beyond any further comment.I suppose u dont make a difference between christianity and islam (and any other religion).Thats ok today on the west.But know that if there was not that dream of battle of blackbird field in our Serbian harts, u would called as worst serbs today not someone named Miloshevic, Karadzic or Mladic but say, Hamzibeg, Zawahiri or Yusuf (a yes, Naseem too)
About Srebrenica. Yes, its certanly not an event to be proud off. I can say u this. Muslims slain christians for centuries allover balkans (and more). And after 3.5 years of civil war in bosnia and many wictims on serbian side, some ovbiously strain to a path of shame and commited atrocities of such magnitude.Only, u see, even in the moment of madness, we have spared at least woman and children (as many other man and boys-cam'on they r not all saughter as u wish to portray).I dont know was nazis in holocaust so elective to spare jewis & slavic woman & children, nor was english RAF so selective in ww2 when incinerate Hamburg or Dresden in order to defet a common enemy. But I know its much easyer to see a thorn in others eye, than timber in your own. Afterall, we serbs R an easy target.Just call our name.
P.S. Its not Dobra Dan but Dobar dan (meanning goodday).And we dont say that when we want to cease a conversation with someone. We say that words as a greetengs. For goodby we use:
Zbogom (lit. mean.: with/by God)
Ah , the great debater returns
Firstly , it's good to see you didn't contend that the ICTY couldn't find a single Kosovo Albanian who testified that the Serbs kicked them out . Nor did you dispute the fact the KLA commanders have recently been testifying that the KLA ordered out the Kosovo Albanians. The boys learning . Hurrah !
You also didn't dispute the KLA's links with Al Qaeda , Mujahideen in general .
Nor did you contend the fact that the vast majority of Catholic Kosovo Albanians were loyal to Belgrade . The Serb forces never had any trouble with them . Not once .
So , hurrah again ! Give the lad a cigar .
Nor did you contend that the KLA are big in the heroin and child sex slavery business .
So , let's take a gander at what you did dispute
"Ewha1, you intellectual dwarf,"
That hurt , it's all those Arny movies you watch isn't it . Macho macho man , I wanna be a macho man .
"I didn't make any comparison between 8000 murdered at Srebrenica and the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis; that comparison took place in your imagination."
You said it's "morally equivalent"
You are comparing the Holocaust to the deaths of 8,000 . You wrote " this is morally equivalent to Ahmadinejad's holocaust denial."
NO IT ISN'T BUDDY
You are by the very words you used - "morally equivalent" - comparing the slaughter of 6,000,000 Jews to the deaths of 8,000 .
Read what you wrote .
BTW If you want to debate Srebrenica circa 1995 , then have the decency not to demean the suffereing of the Jewish people in WW2 .
"And by the way, I am a staunch supporter of Israel"
WELL STOP COMPARING THE HOLOCAUST TO THE DEATHS OF 8,000 FFS
And while you're at it , maybe you could tell Berisha not to give safe refuge to the EIJ in future or for the KLA not to cleanse the Jewish community of Kosovo out of their homes .
"and find it somewhat ironic that you should bring it into the picture since I distinctly remember that there was a great deal of sympathy in Israel for the Kosova Albanians at the time of the attempted Serbian ethnic cleansing of Kosova."
I'm talking of the Israelis giving military and intelligence aid to the Serbs . For example , as pointed out by the Dutch , in the Bosnian civil war , the VRS was shipped huge stocks of high tech materiel from Israel
"Well, how about the closure of all Albanian universities in Kosova, particularly Pristina university?"
Hilarious.
Even the prosecution witnesses at the Milosevic trial had to admit that the Kosovo Albanian doctors continued to work , the Kosovo Albanian teachers continued to teach , the Kosovo Albanian kids continued to be taught in the Albanian language in their schools .
" Then, of course, there was also the systematic destruction of Albanian villages and the widespread murder of innocent Albanian villagers, not KLA fighters, by Serbian thugs such as Arkan (a relation or friend of yours, perhaps?)"
No , I'd never met the guy , though his wife is rather fetching , and , no , I'm not related . My , you're wrong even when you decide on the subject to talk about . You're unique .
"You also wrote: "the Serbs on the other hand respected the rights of all the minorities in Kosovo". You must have had your tongue firmly in your cheek when you wrote those choice words. I don't feel the need to rebutt nonsense like that in the same way that I wouldn't try to disabuse someone claiming the moon was made out of cheese."
Brilliant counter argument , talking about celestial bodies and dairy produce . Brilliant stuff .
OK , Arny , read what happened to the Jews when your heroes took over
http://emperors-clothes.com/reports/news/tanjug082203.htm
Or the Circassians in 1998
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/143667.stm
or any other minority .
Or how about the Rambouillant talks , that should be an eye opener . The KLA came to the talks with , you guessed it , only ethnic Albanians , it seems no one else supported the KLA and that the KLA didn't want anyone as worthless as a non ethnic Albanian to be in their team . The Serb delegation in stark contrast came to the talks with ,
a) ethnic Albanians
b) Rom
c) ethnic Turks
d) ethnic Egyptians
Doesn't that tell you something ? ( If you nod your head I'll give you another cigar )
"If you are not a Serb nationalist, then at the very least you sound like one of those demented left-wingers who supported Serbia because it was the last bastion of communism in Europe."
Brilliant logic there . According to you no one can possibly be on the Serbs side , after all they were only
a) fighting the Narco terrorist KLA who
b) have links to Al Qaeda
or
c) have links to the EIJ
or
d) killed anyone who wasn't an ethnic Albanian .
or
e) are full of Islamists , Neo Nazis and , the majority , MAOISTS . For example , Thaqi is a Maoist .
Why should anyone be worried about a narco state in the heart of Europe ? After all people who go into business with Abu Hamza's Mujahideen are just so squeaky clean .
"And we all know that the depraved far-left is in league with the islamofascists, and so by the same school of spurious logic that you applied to me, I accuse you of being a dhimmi (and a racist, because I know that you are just itching to call me a shqiptar, aren't you?)"
My , my , when you're wrong you don't exactly pussy foot about .
a) I'm not a member of the "depraved far-left" , I'm a depraved Paelo Con - there aren't many of us left -
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/
BTW It's a tad funny that you condemn Serb supporters for being trendy lefties , when in fact , a huge number of the KLA are Hoxa / Maoists / Stalinists .
You do spot the irony here don't you , please say you do , it's pretty thick .
OT Why are all the KLA's heroes a bunch of demented dwarfs and megalomaniac midgets ?
b) I have no intention at all of calling you a Shqiptar . Sorry ole boy . Some of the great heroes of the Kosovo tragedy have been the loyalist Kosovo Albanians . Interestingly , you don't seem to give a crap about their plight do you ? All that Albanian nationalist rhetoric you flaunt is just preening hogwash when it comes to the KLA slaughtering their own .
You couldn't give a 4 X about the Catholic loyalist Kosovo Albanians could you ?
You've stayed ever so quiet about all those 100's of Catholic Kosovo Albanians haven't you , I do wonder why .
It's also interesting that you are now claiming to be telepathic . Shades of the Twilight Zone I fear . So you base your "you're a racist , boo hoo" crap on some telepathic skills you seem to be claiming to possess .
Poor KLA apologists , anyone who doesn't agree with them is a "racist" and a "Holocaust denier"
And as I've just shown , it's the KLA who the racists and you , who , by comparing the Holocaust with the deaths of 8,000 to being a Holocaust revisionist .
Ahhhhh , the friggin' irony .
"Morally equivalent" my arse .
"Dobra Dan"
Desperate Dan
http://www.thatsbraw.co.uk/Books/dan79f.jpg
"Dobar Dan" to all my new Serb friends.
If you examine my original post, you will note that I merely advanced my belief that the vast majority of Albanians are neither connected with nor supportive of a jihad in the Balkans; I firmly stand by that thesis. I referred to the Serbs who carried out the attempted genocide in KosovO (such as Arkan) as monsters (which they were). I was not making a generalized attack on the Serb nation, which you prickly nationalists seemed to think I was doing.
Witch-king of Angmar, let me get one thing straight first: I am not a Serb hater, I am a Jihadi-hater, though I am loathe to define myself in terms of such a negative human emotion as hate.
plava_legija and ewha1, I am indeed honoured that you have gone to the trouble of writing such lengthy and detailed (some might say overwhelming) responses to my posts. I am glad that plava_legija at least conceeds that Srebrenica took place; I am also grateful to him for correcting my Serbo-Croatian (By the way a "hart" is a male deer, whilst a "heart" is a human organ, as in the sentence: "Sali Berisha used to be Enver Hoxha's heart surgeon").
ewha1, You continue to miss my point completely with regard to my statement about Srebrenica, I'm not making any comparison with numbers but with the spirit (i.e. moral equivalence) of the denial in the face of overwhelming evidence, in both cases, for these terrible acts of evil. Furthermore, the KLA are not my heroes; I have never made any statement in support of them, and have no doubt that there are jihadist and islamist nutcases within their ranks. But they will never form a "Velelika Albania" (apologies to plava_legija for my execrable Serbo-Croat) or Greater Albania centred on Islam.
Zbogom
Please spare us the patronizing comments about how you have nothing against the Serbs while at the same time you stand by the lie about the attempted genocide on Albanians in Kosovo and Metohija. Such inventions were refuted by several forensic investigations since 1999 and by Daniel Pearl.
@ Northumbrian
Dobar dan
my dear Anglos. Now I can see we make a real progress in learning Serbo-Croatian (although I prefer only Serbian, cos croatians rarely use term Dobar dan;they use term Bog (God)-and I dont know why?).And btw its not velelika albania, but velika albania :).
Now as u have said: But they will never form a "Velelika Albania" (apologies to plava_legija for my execrable Serbo-Croat) or Greater Albania centred on Islam.
Well, u r utterly wrong pal. They already created that, and maybe they r not practic islam on such large scale like, say, iran, but they do practic fashism on the same scale. I can see that u have turn a blind eye to may effort to show u that hidden fashism disguised in a form of belif on ancestral ilyrian/pelasgian roots on balkans.So I will copy/paste my self:
*Albanians firmly belive in story that they are descendants of ancient Iliryans (beside many of them belive they r descendants of even older Pelasgians-they actualy can go to the roots of cromagnons).They claim that on basis of Ptolomy account of Ilyrian tribe of Albanoi, settled in middle Albania in 1st c.a.d.Now, if u r such a friend of them, u know that they NEVER ever called themselves albanians, except on foreign language. They always called themselves shqiptars (pron. sheeptars), with meaning of "clear speech" or "clearity".So, why they stick to that unpoven story of ancient roots? Well, its so conviniant as apology to invade any other neighbor, wich is not indigenious (this appllies even on a Greeks).How they get that history. Well, google it for League of Prizren. And please, try to figure out why they have grates birthrate in the world (grater than arabs in the M.E.).Maybe u realise why your England will one day looks exactly the same as Kosov"A" (and maybe u live enough to see your pakistanis neighbours claiming that they are descendants of ancient Picts (or maybe Pritians-after all a stonehenge may be a protomosk)).
And again:*How they get that history. Well, google it for League of Prizren.
I can bet that u never belived that croatians (4 exemple) cherish pronazi belives, as u today dont belive the same for albanians.U should, considering the fact that u have said that u r proisrael oriented. Good, at least we can agree on something.So please go to www.juliagorin.com (jew) website, and see 4 yourself what that croatia looks today. And guy like u support them in time when we were in clash with croatians. Why? I suppose that scary movies about Arkan has done its toll. One day, and I realy wish u a long life (cos u will need it 4 that), u will witness the same storyes from albanian part of balkans. Arkan will be dead 4 long time than, as it is today, and I dont know which person will u use than to understand albanian evil behavior, but I can bet it will be a Serb.
About Srebrenica, as I have said, nothing to be proud. BUT, I noticed that u have turn a blind eye 4 the rest of the story wich follows my reckognitions.So, 4 a "punishement" copy/paste again:
*About Srebrenica. Yes, its certanly not an event to be proud off. I can say u this. Muslims slain christians for centuries allover balkans (and more). And after 3.5 years of civil war in bosnia and many wictims on serbian side, some ovbiously strain to a path of shame and commited atrocities of such magnitude.Only, u see, even in the moment of madness, we have spared at least woman and children (as many other man and boys-cam'on they r not all saughter as u wish to portray).I dont know was nazis in holocaust so elective to spare jewis & slavic woman & children, nor was english RAF so selective in ww2 when incinerate Hamburg or Dresden in order to defet a common enemy. But I know its much easyer to see a thorn in others eye, than timber in your own. Afterall, we serbs R an easy target.Just call our name.
BTW: Arkan was not,as far I know, involved in Srebrenica massacre (although in some others he was).But speaking about Arkan, it reminde me about his saying: "If we dont stop muslims on the river of Danube, one day we will stop them on the river of Thames." Mark this words my dear anglos. As I realy hope & wish u a long life & prosperity, this words will hunt u down with more & more exemples of muslim "inner spiritual struggle" on your own doorsteps.
P.S.: As I always poit out: Nobody on the planet Earth can live with the muslims. We Serbs have learned that long time ago.But we were suffered, and worst of all BETRAYED, by your anglosaxon & saxonsaxon hands, by our long time ally, only cos u out there have not learned that lesson yet.When u learn, and belive me 9.11. was actualy just preface of that lecture, you will understand how muslims r true artist to bring evil out of any normal & decent people. U will than understand Srebrenica. Only considering historical accounts of wasp dealing with their own enemyes (Dresden, Hamburg, Tokio, Hiroshima, Nagasaki,Nam etc), maybe even we serbs will than be amased. With Arkan too.
Zhiveli (meaning cheers,but lit. "long live")
P.S. I just flash in my mind. As u like to point that albanians r not big deal about islam; did u try to found out, how many mosks they build in last 50 years (since advent of communism)?How that happens that they were only nation in titos Yugoslavia, who have permission for such mosks building megalomania? And do u perhaps know where in Europian continent is largest concentracion of mosks (per square mile or per number of muslims, u name it)?
Northumbrian aka the penny that just doesn't seem to drop
"I referred to the Serbs who carried out the attempted genocide in KosovO (such as Arkan) as monsters (which they were)"
Genocide ? Oh what's the 4 X point . Northumbrian doesn't provide any evidence . It's just Northumbrian plucking wee words from space .
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"You continue to miss my point completely with regard to my statement about Srebrenica, I'm not making any comparison with numbers but with the spirit (i.e. moral equivalence) of the denial in the face of overwhelming evidence, in both cases, for these terrible acts of evil."
You really don't even bother reading your own posts do you ?
You are belittling the Holocaust to an unbelievable extent for you
a) are talking about numbers here . You explicitly talked of 8,000 , not 7,000 or 2,000 , but 8,000 . I'd countered by saying that a few hundred were executed , to which you started bellowing "HOLOCAUST DENIER" . So we are talking numbers here - BTW the 8,000 number came from some terribly shoddy piece of research by the demographer , Helge Brunborg , it was of GCSE level quality and prosecution in the J and B case all but admitted to it . The defence demographics expert witness tore the numbers to shreds . Not that you'd effing know
b) There's no overwhelming evidence that all , or even the majority of the missing were indeed executed . Read the opening remarks at the Krle trial by the prosecution where they explicitly talk of the ambushes being totally legitimate military operations and these VRS operations claimed 1,000's of lives . The expert witness , Butler , also concurred .
You state that 8,000 were murdered , I say it's closer to a few thousand missing , the majority being killed in ambushes , a few hundred being executed . See ?
We are talking numbers here , not spirit
So you are explicitly connecting the number 8,000 with the Holocaust . It's a favourite trick of all Holocaust deniers . Make ridiculous comparisons , so lowering the numbers . In the end , the shit sticks .
c) Even if you still say it's just "the spirit" of the thing then , by your reasoning , you're spending half your life calling people "Holocaust Deniers" the moment they question something that you erroneously - and that's the irony here - believe to have been overwhelmingly proved beyond doubt . Someone disputes the number of victims of the Boston strangler ? "HOLOCAUST DENIER" ad infinitum .
d) You can't debate Srebrenica , circa 1995 , can you ? Of course you can't . That's why you resort to ridiculous name calling . You probably have only very elementary knowledge gleaned from CNN and other MSN crap . Actually taking the time out to read the transcripts from the numerous trials is too much like hard work , so , to cover up for your aching indifference and ignorance , you just start to holler " HOLOCAUST DENIER" and hope that people won't see through the bluster
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"Furthermore, the KLA are not my heroes;"
Really ? Well , why don't you do us proud and condemn them heartily for murdering hundreds of loyalist Kosovo Albanians , something you've studiously avoided doing .
Very often these Catholic Kosovo Albanians and their families would be kidnapped , tortured to death and their bodies dumped in a nearby cesspool . Their crime ? Why , the husband / father worked as a forest ranger / postman / policeman and so got a pay check from Belgrade . And for that he and his family had their eyes gouged out , etc .
Surely that should get your Albanian Nationalist blood boiling with outrage ? Surely .
But apparently it doesn't . Instead , all we hear , after much prompting is the ever so lame "The KLA are not my heroes" . That's the best you , oh so proud Albanian Nationalist , can summon up ?
I am disappointed
And why do you call the KLA "fighters" ?
The KLA were Fighters ?
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The KLA not only tortured to death any loyalist Kosovo Albanian unlucky enough to cross their path , they also frequently kidnapped any Kosovo Albanian and made them work as human mules , carrying ammo across the border from Northern Albania into Kosovo
Page 2874 of Milosevic trial
Prosecution Witness General DZ:Ciaglinski travelled immediately to Nis and saw the nine prisoners. They stated - and this confirmed what we had learned up until
then - that they had been part of a resupply column of the KLA that was moving supplies from Albania into Kosovo. They stated that they had been recruited quite reluctantly and had gone to Albania and been given no more than two days' training before they were sent on the supply mission"
"They stated that they had been recruited quite reluctantly" is diplomatic twaddle meaning they were forced at the point of a gun to act as cannon fodder for the heroic and compassionate KLA . If caught in a Serb ambush on the border , these "human mules" wouldn't stand a chance in any firefight that followed . Cut down in the ensuing crossfire , as was the case in the ambush in which they'd been captured . In this particular ambush , the Serbs had killed 40 of these sacrifices to a glorious Greater Albania .
Come on Northumbrian , do us proud and show your Albanian Nationalist anger . Vent your spleen at the KLA for doing this .
I've learned so much from JW. I've learned that muslims are the same all over the world, same tactics, same goals, same lies... Scary... Unlike most of the others visitors of JW, I've allways known what's going on in the Balkans, I have strong ties to that part of the world. It's not your fault, dear friends, for being wrong. Media and politicians in service of muslim interests have influenced you. History doesn't start in 1990's. I know that Serbs, alongside other Ortodox nations (succeding Eastern Roman Empire) in Balkans stood for milenium on the very border of christian western culture against muslim asian hegemony. Sadly, same Serbs, Greeks and others were betrayed so many times by those who they believe to had so fiercely defended...
Back to Kosovo-Metohija (one should allways use full name of this Serbian province, Metohija /pronaunced: metohia/ - from greek word metoh, meaning church land) issue. Shiptars (Albanians) killed or expeled all who weren't both Shiptar and muslim. They expeled muslim Turks and catholic Shiptars, not to mention Serbs. So much for national nature of their struggle... Worst kind of cruel scum they are. They won't hesitate to kill its own if one's not 101% in line with their goal.
Being a European, I hope that there is a new dawn comming, that light of truth will break darkness that muslim servants had created in the West, and that alliance with toughest defenders of the Holly Cross will be forged, before we are all doomed...
Where there is Islam, there is terrorism.
Kosovo is no different from any other place on earth in that regard.