Bush is stupid and stubborn. He lacks cunning, high and low. He lacks an understanding of Islam. He lacks an understanding of the various instruments of war. He cannot conceive, apparently, of a world where some "ordinary moms and dads" do not want exactly what "ordinary moms and dads" in America, as Bush thinks of it (but what does he know about America anyway, that child of privilege making life and death decisions for those who are not children of privilege, and have seen on their first tour, their second tour, their third tour of duty, what madness his policy is, and how unrelated to the realities of Iraq -- and the most intelligent will also realize how irrelevant to fighting the instruments of Jihad being employed world-wide, and that have nothing to do with "Boots On the Ground."
Saudi Arabia in Bush's view is not an implacable enemy. It may no longer be quite the "staunch ally" that successive American governments took it to be, but it's still seen as some kind of potential ally against -- who are the "bad Muslims," who are the "extremists" who have "hijacked that great and peaceful religion" this week? Al-Qaeda? Hezbollah? Islamic Jihad? Or is it the turn of Iran and the Shi'a? It doesn't matter; it only matters that this farce of the "good" Muslims who are or who can be our true-blue allies, as opposed to the "extremists" who have apparently performed some magic to transform the texts and teachings of Islam, and further magic in convincing tens or hundreds of millions of those "extremists" to believe those "perversions of a great religion."
They'll come. They'll buy fancy cars. They will rent the poshest apartments in special apartment buildings, with concierges, and local slaves to do their bidding. They will take full advantage of the Infidel girls they will find it easy to impress. They may even give speeches at local gatherings, impressing one and all of the impressionable townsfolk or cityfolk who show up to hear them, about how Islam has been so misunderstood and so maligned. They will get into a few car accidents, killing or maiming a few Americans. Some will take drugs. Almost all will hire others to write their papers, attend their claases -- not all, but almost all. And they will get these meaningless degrees.
Or perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps it will all be so very different from what the pattern has been over the past 30 years of "Saudi students" in America. Perhaps the leopard can change his spots.
At the moment I'm not willing to wait, and see. How about you?
We don't need no more Sowdees here, Wasn't it enough that almost all of the "Magnificent 19" who did 9-11 came from Sowdee Arabia?
Do we forget the cavorting Sowdees at Crawford. TX? The "almost-blood" relation Bandar (nicknamed surname is "Bush)?
Does that give anyone a clue?
The apparently clueless is not as clueless as he wants to appear before us whom he apparently considers clueless.
Get my drift? Do we have his number or don"t we?
As for State--where shall I start, the ways it has been penetrated and infiltrated, let me count the ways--naw, better not. Suffice it to point out how Sowdee money buys much, almost everything that is for sale here in the USA (govt. included).
I made my remark as a joke, before watching the video (which I can't at work). Like Erick said, you can't make this stuff up.
What exactly is driving Bush to call for more Saudi students to come here? The fact that they'll be paying their own tuition (as opposed to students from third world countries who'll be needing campus jobs and earning money from those colleges, instead of paying full out of state tuitions?)
I just wish someday the president gets hijacked and dropped in Mecca/Medina. Then watch the fun. Although he'd probably recite the shehada, thinking it to be an Arabic translation of the Lord's Prayer.
Saudi Arabia is not on the list of terror-sponsoring nations, whatever their schools teach them about killing the kuffar, or martyrdom for Allah. So that means not a single one of them will be selected for the special interview.
Peachy. And it's all being paid for by the Sauds who already control Islamic studies. Thus increasing Wahhabi control over academia.
Sounds like a great plan, now that I'm out of school.
I don't agree with everything I've read here, but I agree with most of it. You know what scariest channel on American TV is now? C-SPAN. Spend a little time listening to those who we elected to protect us, and you will come to the harsh realization that almost none of them know what is going on. When they hear it they go into the "Religion of Peace" diatribe that makes me want to puke. They don't have a clue. Western democracy and maybe the lives of many American people will most likely be sacrificed at the alter of political correctness. You mean to tell me that students from Saudi Arabia in flight schools doesn't bother ANYONE????
"Bush is stupid and stubborn. He lacks cunning, high and low. He lacks an understanding of Islam. He lacks an understanding of the various instruments of war. "
and that makes it different from clinton and the rest of politicians how?
After their schooling, perhaps some will go on to join all the other Nobel Prize winners from Islamic countries. Oh wait, ... never mind.
While I don't like to "defend" the Islamic world, I can't let misinformation stand. The fact is, there have been Nobel Prize winners from Islamic countries. Mostly for Peace, notably Anwar Sadat and even, disgracefully, Yasser Arafat. Last year's winner, Muhammad Yunus, is from Bangladesh. In Physics, Abdus Salam won in 1979. There are more.
It's safe to say western education is the real source of these achievements. To the extent Islam played any role it was to retard them.
Anyway, it's always good idea to verify your facts before asserting them. Something like this is easily checked and undermines our credibility. And by "our" I mean us -- all of us involved in opposing the Islamic scourge.
What exactly is driving Bush to call for more Saudi students to come here? The fact that they'll be paying their own tuition (as opposed to students from third world countries who'll be needing campus jobs and earning money from those colleges, instead of paying full out of state tuitions?)
Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 23, 2007 09:57 PM
Infidel Pride, you ask an interesting question, the answer to which can be found at many levels. At the most naive level, one can dismiss the "drive" as "clueless" Bush. But the deeper you go, the more the truth emerges. If you go to the 9/11 commission report you will wonder if the commission had Saudi blinders on, to not hold Saudi Arabia responsible for 9/11. If you go a little earlier you will find Bush removed pages from 9/11 interim report. If you go even further, you will find that Bush stalled the 9/11 commission to start with. Go to 9/12 and Bush was smoking 'peace cigar'with Bandar Bush on the lawns of White House. while WTC was still smouldering. Go to the 2000 election and where did the election fiasco occur that gave Bush the presidency? That's right! His brother's state. Go a little further and Bush's businesses were funded by wahhabi wealth. Even further and daddy bush got 1 mil to deliver 1 lecture in Kuwait. Go to the gulf war and who was daddy bush really protecting from Saddam? That's right! the wahhabis. Finaly, google on "Bush Bin Laden" and another layer emerges.
Add all of the above, and then answer your own question. Compare the new answer to the one above. See the difference?
Support who as opposed to Bush? The Dems???? The way of the Dems is going from the frying pan into the fire......
Posted by: adobe at February 24, 2007 01:20 PM
Not the right qustion to ask. As Bill O'Rilley says: One cannot condone bad action by pointing to another bad action. In this case one cannot condone doubling Saudi student visas because dems are worse. Because now dubya has increased the probablity of another 9/11 by 200% (merely allowing the same number would be 100% increase). In other words, made Osama's task twice as easy. Think about it.
Okay, but how many of them are in flight school?
Courtesy of the stupid cupid George W. Bush.
Infidel Pride asks-
"how many of them are in flight training ...."
Watch the video - some ARE GETTIN AVIATION TRAINING.
And this is a Bush created sponsored program. All you Bush supporters on Jihad watch. Go to hell.
Bush is stupid and stubborn. He lacks cunning, high and low. He lacks an understanding of Islam. He lacks an understanding of the various instruments of war. He cannot conceive, apparently, of a world where some "ordinary moms and dads" do not want exactly what "ordinary moms and dads" in America, as Bush thinks of it (but what does he know about America anyway, that child of privilege making life and death decisions for those who are not children of privilege, and have seen on their first tour, their second tour, their third tour of duty, what madness his policy is, and how unrelated to the realities of Iraq -- and the most intelligent will also realize how irrelevant to fighting the instruments of Jihad being employed world-wide, and that have nothing to do with "Boots On the Ground."
Saudi Arabia in Bush's view is not an implacable enemy. It may no longer be quite the "staunch ally" that successive American governments took it to be, but it's still seen as some kind of potential ally against -- who are the "bad Muslims," who are the "extremists" who have "hijacked that great and peaceful religion" this week? Al-Qaeda? Hezbollah? Islamic Jihad? Or is it the turn of Iran and the Shi'a? It doesn't matter; it only matters that this farce of the "good" Muslims who are or who can be our true-blue allies, as opposed to the "extremists" who have apparently performed some magic to transform the texts and teachings of Islam, and further magic in convincing tens or hundreds of millions of those "extremists" to believe those "perversions of a great religion."
They'll come. They'll buy fancy cars. They will rent the poshest apartments in special apartment buildings, with concierges, and local slaves to do their bidding. They will take full advantage of the Infidel girls they will find it easy to impress. They may even give speeches at local gatherings, impressing one and all of the impressionable townsfolk or cityfolk who show up to hear them, about how Islam has been so misunderstood and so maligned. They will get into a few car accidents, killing or maiming a few Americans. Some will take drugs. Almost all will hire others to write their papers, attend their claases -- not all, but almost all. And they will get these meaningless degrees.
Or perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps it will all be so very different from what the pattern has been over the past 30 years of "Saudi students" in America. Perhaps the leopard can change his spots.
At the moment I'm not willing to wait, and see. How about you?
We don't need no more Sowdees here, Wasn't it enough that almost all of the "Magnificent 19" who did 9-11 came from Sowdee Arabia?
Do we forget the cavorting Sowdees at Crawford. TX? The "almost-blood" relation Bandar (nicknamed surname is "Bush)?
Does that give anyone a clue?
The apparently clueless is not as clueless as he wants to appear before us whom he apparently considers clueless.
Get my drift? Do we have his number or don"t we?
As for State--where shall I start, the ways it has been penetrated and infiltrated, let me count the ways--naw, better not. Suffice it to point out how Sowdee money buys much, almost everything that is for sale here in the USA (govt. included).
poetcomic
I made my remark as a joke, before watching the video (which I can't at work). Like Erick said, you can't make this stuff up.
What exactly is driving Bush to call for more Saudi students to come here? The fact that they'll be paying their own tuition (as opposed to students from third world countries who'll be needing campus jobs and earning money from those colleges, instead of paying full out of state tuitions?)
I just wish someday the president gets hijacked and dropped in Mecca/Medina. Then watch the fun. Although he'd probably recite the shehada, thinking it to be an Arabic translation of the Lord's Prayer.
How many in flight school are only interested in taking off, but not landing????
Will we EVER learn??????
Hugh,
After their schooling, perhaps some will go on to join all the other Nobel Prize winners from Islamic countries. Oh wait, ... never mind.
Saudi Arabia is not on the list of terror-sponsoring nations, whatever their schools teach them about killing the kuffar, or martyrdom for Allah. So that means not a single one of them will be selected for the special interview.
Peachy. And it's all being paid for by the Sauds who already control Islamic studies. Thus increasing Wahhabi control over academia.
Sounds like a great plan, now that I'm out of school.
I don't agree with everything I've read here, but I agree with most of it. You know what scariest channel on American TV is now? C-SPAN. Spend a little time listening to those who we elected to protect us, and you will come to the harsh realization that almost none of them know what is going on. When they hear it they go into the "Religion of Peace" diatribe that makes me want to puke. They don't have a clue. Western democracy and maybe the lives of many American people will most likely be sacrificed at the alter of political correctness. You mean to tell me that students from Saudi Arabia in flight schools doesn't bother ANYONE????
Since I can't get audio on my computer, can some-one enlighten me as to what's on the tape?
"Bush is stupid and stubborn. He lacks cunning, high and low. He lacks an understanding of Islam. He lacks an understanding of the various instruments of war. "
and that makes it different from clinton and the rest of politicians how?
And this is a Bush created sponsored program. All you Bush supporters on Jihad watch. Go to hell.
What an eloquent observation.... You are going to change many minds with such well thought out words of wisdom....
Support who as opposed to Bush? The Dems???? The way of the Dems is going from the frying pan into the fire......
After their schooling, perhaps some will go on to join all the other Nobel Prize winners from Islamic countries. Oh wait, ... never mind.
While I don't like to "defend" the Islamic world, I can't let misinformation stand. The fact is, there have been Nobel Prize winners from Islamic countries. Mostly for Peace, notably Anwar Sadat and even, disgracefully, Yasser Arafat. Last year's winner, Muhammad Yunus, is from Bangladesh. In Physics, Abdus Salam won in 1979. There are more.
It's safe to say western education is the real source of these achievements. To the extent Islam played any role it was to retard them.
See http://almaz.com/nobel/nobel.html
Anyway, it's always good idea to verify your facts before asserting them. Something like this is easily checked and undermines our credibility. And by "our" I mean us -- all of us involved in opposing the Islamic scourge.
Americans can all thank their president for this, Jorge W. Bushitez...Presidente se vende!
What exactly is driving Bush to call for more Saudi students to come here? The fact that they'll be paying their own tuition (as opposed to students from third world countries who'll be needing campus jobs and earning money from those colleges, instead of paying full out of state tuitions?)
Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 23, 2007 09:57 PM
Infidel Pride, you ask an interesting question, the answer to which can be found at many levels. At the most naive level, one can dismiss the "drive" as "clueless" Bush. But the deeper you go, the more the truth emerges. If you go to the 9/11 commission report you will wonder if the commission had Saudi blinders on, to not hold Saudi Arabia responsible for 9/11. If you go a little earlier you will find Bush removed pages from 9/11 interim report. If you go even further, you will find that Bush stalled the 9/11 commission to start with. Go to 9/12 and Bush was smoking 'peace cigar'with Bandar Bush on the lawns of White House. while WTC was still smouldering. Go to the 2000 election and where did the election fiasco occur that gave Bush the presidency? That's right! His brother's state. Go a little further and Bush's businesses were funded by wahhabi wealth. Even further and daddy bush got 1 mil to deliver 1 lecture in Kuwait. Go to the gulf war and who was daddy bush really protecting from Saddam? That's right! the wahhabis. Finaly, google on "Bush Bin Laden" and another layer emerges.
Add all of the above, and then answer your own question. Compare the new answer to the one above. See the difference?
Support who as opposed to Bush? The Dems???? The way of the Dems is going from the frying pan into the fire......
Posted by: adobe at February 24, 2007 01:20 PM
Not the right qustion to ask. As Bill O'Rilley says: One cannot condone bad action by pointing to another bad action. In this case one cannot condone doubling Saudi student visas because dems are worse. Because now dubya has increased the probablity of another 9/11 by 200% (merely allowing the same number would be 100% increase). In other words, made Osama's task twice as easy. Think about it.
Thanks, saturnine
I didn't actually say there weren't any ... but perhaps I did imply that ... though my intent was to comment that there are notably few.
I was aware of the one in physics.
Thanks for pointing out the peace prizes (for what they are worth).