Now you see it, now you don't: Ahmed Younis and the "Jewish lobby"

"the anti-Islamic propaganda being carried out by such elements is not provoked by ignorance about Islam and can not be tackled by entering into a dialogue with them."

I'm thinking this line may have had something to do with the disappearing act.

OT-sort of
In a site called Prophetic News Headlines the was a story from Reuters over the weekend where an Egyptian leader said that the only cure for Isreal and their actions at the Temple Mount was a nuke. (Ignoring the fact that the bomb would do more damage than the archeologists). I searched everywhere and could not find the story.

Egypt Threatens Israel With Nuke
“That cursed Israel is trying to destroy al-Aqsa mosque,” Mohamed el-Katatny of President Hosni Mubarak’s National Democratic Party (NDP) told the Egyptian Parliament, adding “nothing will work with Israel except for a nuclear bomb that wipes it out of existence.” Other members of el-Katatny’s party called to revoke Egypt’s 1979 peace treaty with Israel. (Reuters)

Aunt Bea

Aunt Bea:

Here you go.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015233.php

Cordially
Robert Spencer

“Arabisation of the Islamic identity” is one of the major challenges facing the Muslim community in the US, he remarked. “

so if your a muslim, you need all to be arabs eh.
how stupid can converts be,and how stupid for non arabs to remain muslim.. wake up people this is a facists indentity.. there is no God that would instruct you to kill all non muslims, or aa Hugh prefers infidels. l went to the site of this Qatar's The Peninsula and this Ahmed Younis was on the US government payroll? what the hell does the State Dept. do with all its people, dont they even do a basic check on who they hire? the moderate muslim seems as common as the unicorn.. have you seen one lately?

"a better understanding of Islam among the American population."

If the American population gets the unvarnished, unexpurgated, and true understanding of Islam, all hell will break loose. We can only hope.

Actually the American people will continue to get the religion of peace, tiny minority of extremists neaningless drivel. Which is actually what they want to hear. The American people, at least the generation X'ers, want this all to go away without getting their hands dirty. They want assurances that all is well; it's a bad dream, or else an abberation that is a temporary disruption to their pursuit self-gratification.

Hey Robert, way to go! your at the head of the list!

Robert

You have the whole thing but you can still see the article on Yahoo where they have it still Cached

http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=%22Assert+American-Muslim+identity%2C+urges+official%22&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&u=www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp%3Fsection%3DLocal_News%26month%3DFebruary2007%26file%3DLocal_News200702191572.xml&w=%22assert+american+muslim+identity+urges+official%22&d=OLwyEuxsOUNN&icp=1&.intl=us

I know a ugly link. Its under their regular search if you or anyone wants to find it that way. I am not sure why the regular google search did not pick it up nor the cached version. I knew it still had to be out there somewhere.

The Arab Muslims in the US have had, I must admit, some success in suckering in African-Americans to Islam, although probably more American blacks belong to the Nation of Islam, rather than "real" Islam. Ahmed Younis knows this too. In the past, I have taken several courses in Black History. Of course, the slave trade is a big part of any course on that subject. Of the two courses that I took, nothing was said of the vast, centuries old, horrific slave trade that the Arabs carried out in Africa, the cultures that they smashed to make African cultures Arabized...and the continuation and thriving slave trade that Arabs carry on today against Africans. The result is a young black American usually doesn't have a clue when his new friend Ahmed invites him to a mosque for a friendly meal and get together...and for Ahmed to identify with his new friend both as victims of white Christians. Oh yes, and when I asked both professors why they taught only about the 'Middle Passage' trade from Africa to the Americas, and nothing of the long, devastating Arab trade, both shrugged and said that there wasn't enough room in the course to go over that much material. This is another case where Muslims control history to their advantage. I suspect any classes on the Arab/African slave trade would meet with threats, protests, withdrawal of wealthy Arab students from the international programs, and withdrawal of funds from Islamic endowments.

Currently there are six to eight million Muslims in the US. ~ From the article

Infidel reality shows this number to be much closer to 2.0 million.

Now in their defense, they likely use Qur’anic math, ( 4:11, 4:12, 4:176 ),
surely Allah is All-Knowing.

My Mother (may she rest in Peace) always told me that it's not what you say but how you say it.

Oil Prices Drop Despite Kidnapping News
From Associated Press
February 19, 2007 7:38 AM EST

This headline running across my news ticker caught my attention.
Perhaps because it so reflects the recent Al Qeada (sp?) call to disrupt the oil production.

Whose side are these guys on? Are they as disappointed as they sound that kidnapping people did not get the desired results for the terrorists?

Aunt Bea
Toto quit your barkin', cause we ain't in Mayberry no more.

Now we are setting up religious schools to produce American Imams

Is it just me, or is there a really dreadful reality show in there?

Can't you just it? American Imam! Where raw recruits compete to come up with the best infidel-hating khutba, see who can recruit the most jihadists, and finally, see who can raise the most money in frivolous lawsuits against mass transportation companies!

...the anti-Islamic propaganda being carried out by such elements is not provoked by ignorance about Islam and can not be tackled by entering into a dialogue with them.

Thank you Robert, Hugh, Marisol and all. Paul Revere would be proud.

Can't you just see it...

And I used preview as well, must have been a long day

Well, isn't that ironic -- I just got done posting about the Muslim Lobby and now I come along and find this bit here at JW. We are definitely under assault from institutionalized Jihad in the USA; not on the level of Europe yet, but the movement is undeniable.

If you want to live under Sharia one day, do nothing.

Democrats and the Jihadists

"is not provoked by ignorance about Islam (sic)and cannot be tackled by entering into a dialogue with them"

What cowards.

What deceivers.

Read the koran folks, it's there for everyone to see.

Muslim, bring along your koran and let's debate.

If you're going to explode, do it to yourself.

Good riddance.

I don't think the Americans will wake up. Am sorry to say that. And I think the Islamic immigration will be the greatest disaster ever to hit this country, greater than the Civil War.

The only hope must begin with "a better understanding of Islam among the American population"; but even then, we'd need anti-sedition laws, a stop to this immigration (is that possible?), and perhaps deportation.

There will be much blood flow, thanks to the grandchildren our new citizens. It is the way of the desert.

Can't reach native Americans? What is Junior Ellison in Congress? What are all those goofs in prison spouting Islam?
Louis Farakhan (sp) and Malcom X are nation of Islam. Of course in radio interviews on Rush Limbaugh one follower would talk about space ships and Colon Col. Powell, but Islam is reaching native Americans just fine. The kooks and misfits cling to it and the majority toss if aside for something more fun like tats, dope, sex and whatever thrill of the moment.

With Islam you get violent suicide. Americans instead prefer self inflicted feel good suicide of a secular nature. Islam has reached the masses and no one wants to were stinking wool and smell like a goat while chanting misery.

"the anti-Islamic propaganda being carried out by such elements is not provoked by ignorance about Islam and can not be tackled by entering into a dialogue with them."
-- from Ahmed Younis, quoted in The Peninsula, of the Qatar press

"Not provoked by ignorance" -- they know too much, and therefore

"can not be tackled by entering into a dialogue with them" which means:

You "dialogue" only with the naive and ignorant, for they can be mislead, lied to, treated to all the "three-abrahamic-faiths" business, the smiles and wiles and guiles, of Taqiyya and Tu Quoque.

I wonder how those Infidel "dialoguists" in those Muslim Outreach Sessions, all those hopeful credulous wilfully ignorant and eager-to-believe people who take part not merely in one (one should be enough) but in a whole series of "Muslim-Christian Dialogues" or "Muslim-Jewish Dialogues" would feel if they realized the contempt felt for them by the Muslims who have been leading them so cleverly astray, for their own, Muslim purposes.

Here is Ahmed Younis. His contempt is palpable. His fear of those who are properly informed, and so "cannot be tackled without entering into a dialogue with them" is not only for those listed, but for tens or hundreds of thousands of others who have, in a massive display of auto-didactic fervor, have taken it upon themselves --our government and the press and most institutions of higher education have been useless or worse -- to read Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, to read histories of Islamic conquest, to find out what the Western scholars, before this fearful and collaborationist period of "Western scholarship" (but here and there there are signs of quiet revolt, even among some members of MESA Nostra who can no longer stand it). And they have not done this in some conspiratorial spirit of the uneducated mistrusting all book-learning, or throwing out authority, but in fact engaged in that very book-learning, and noticing that until recent decades all of the scholarly authority, that is all of the great Western Orientalists, did not hide the analysis of Islam that provides the model that both helps to explain already accumulated data about the behavior and expressed attitudes of Muslims world-wide, but also has predictive value.

Would that some of those in political power did what their constituents, or many of them, are calmly, determinedly undertaking, and that the likes of Ahmed Younis and his paymasters (for no doubt he was also seeking funds for his "efforts" in America, the particular infidel nation-state in which he now lives and where he works, tirelessly, as a full-time propagandist for Islam), will realize that there is no conceivable away that they can prevent more and more Infidels from reading the texts of Islam or learning about the history of Islam. There is no way to stop it.

Another aspect of this... is that traditionally, Muslims were told not to emigrate, as the Imams feared that they would hear the song of the infidel and become apostates. So maybe here is the angle -- that Ahmed Younis's advice not to speak to those who know Islam should give us heart; and that the response to Islam should be conversation of truth and clarity, with the possibility of truly converting the "believer."

Again, a hard sell. We need a religion of simple worship and goodness, without the vileness of Mohammed, hearer of enraged voices.

@Hugh: And your argument is exactly why most of us understand that the Muslim Lobby has the Democratic leaders squarely in their sights, pardon the pun, in order to bring themselves greater "legitimacy" in the eyes of a political entity that is apt to play "race cards" whenever it benefits them. In order to dissuade the "ignorant masses" from every being auto-didactic, the Muslim Lobby is going to fuel "racism" charges at every turn, put together more fakery like the "Imams vs US Airways" incident. Their greatest wish ever is for Barack Obama to make it into a seat of power in the White House -- President or Vice President or Cabinet -- and they will through hundreds of millions behind him in the coming years.

We will also see more Muslim "reversions" among our politicians, and every one of them will be coaxed and preened by CAIR.

Muslim immigration is the greatest threat to the United States in our entire history; it eclipses illegal immigration from Mexico. The Islamists are gleeful at the very prospect of every new mosque that is built, every madrassa to get new funding in Virginia or Pennsylvania or Delaware or Michigan et al.

But, as you have pointed out, Hugh, the cat is out of the bag on Islam for too many in the USA. I predict a political firestorm building the likes of which the nation hasn't seen since the Civil War.

Damn but this site needs a comments edit option!

every = ever
through = throw

"He noted that after 9/11, the American Muslim organisations have become more vocal and active. More Americans are now interested to learn about Islam and many of them are being attracted to the religion."

And Younis takes pride in the 'progress' made by Islam as a consequence of 9/11, a common theme for Muslims around the world who view 9/11 as just retribution for Infidel America. This is, of course, an example of Islamic triumphalism: "Allah's will be done..."

The murder of 3000 Americans is considered a divinely inspired event to spur the Infidels on in the inevitable conquest of the 'superpower', whose will must bend to Allah.

That is what this man passionately believes.

Can you have "Aribisation" and indoor plumbing?

Sounds like a pipe dream to me.

Here is another slime-bomber from Australia:

Waleed Aly, the Muhammedan lawyer who helped to give Victorias (Bracks) government the racial vilification laws that got the 'Catch the fire' pastors into the courts.

Waleed Aly is a clone of Tariq Ramadan, equally slick and oily, using a moonbat-rag to push his agenda:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/19/waleed-aly-australias-very-own-clone-of-tariq-ramadan/

Younis said, the anti-Islamic propaganda being carried out by such elements is not provoked by ignorance about Islam and can not be tackled by entering into a dialogue with them.

HeHe. What he is saying is that Muslims can no longer rely on the ignorance of those bloody Infidel Americans to bamboozle them. The "dialogue" of faiths BS is not going to work anymore.

This is probably the best compliment that Robert Spencer, Stephen Emerson, Daniel Pipes and David Horowitz, have had so far. It is also an admission, that debating Robert etal on Islamic gounds is a losing proposition.

Yes i heard him on an ABC forum on the cultural benefits of "Multiculturalism" a few nights ago. His taquiya was sickening but more subtle than that of keysar trad. But no way is he in the same league as Ramadan who has the appearance of an Islamic intellectual Bernard Henri Levi and like Said can rally all the non muslim intellectual left behind him. Such skills that would make Chameleon envious.
As for the dissapearance of the articel that sounds like a page torn out of the manual of the Muslim Brotherhood, it is no wonder it has been immediately pulled. One cannot reveal one's hand in such a way to the infidel -and will the writer be censured for writng it?
As Hugh wisely pointed out in a previous thread- is it not time to ask why such activies have been allowed to be pursued by the elites of the American state departments etc for so long.
Surely the time to use "Ignorance of Islam" as an excuse is long past. Perhaps there was never even such a time in the first place and it was a convenient excuse for doing nothing and not to endanger hidden agendas.

PS

Congratulations Mr Spencer.

"They should become 100 per cent American and at the same time 100 per cent Muslims,” said Younis.

Not possible. Being any % American and Moslem does not mesh. Constitution over koran? Not if you are conversant with both. For a Mohammedan, the koran is supreme.

It was best said here at Jihad Watch, in a comment; it is reproduced here:

http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com/2007/02/can-there-be-such-thing-as-moslem.html

Well, it won't work, Islam is trying to be a government within the government of the United States. Some where, there's got to be an amendment to the Freedom of Religion posing as a government ?

Egypt Threatens Israel With Nuke
“That cursed Israel is trying to destroy al-Aqsa mosque,” Mohamed el-Katatny of President Hosni Mubarak’s National Democratic Party (NDP) told the Egyptian Parliament, adding “nothing will work with Israel except for a nuclear bomb that wipes it out of existence.” Other members of el-Katatny’s party called to revoke Egypt’s 1979 peace treaty with Israel. (Reuters)

Aunt Bea

What doesn't make sense is how those devils claim that damn mosque is so holy, but they would readily sacrifice that den of iniquity for the greater "good" of destroying Jews. The bastards wouldn't think twice about dropping a nuke and destroying pigslam's third most holy site.

As for these traitors flocking to pigslam, a lot of it is due to our pc. We label blacks African-American, careful to put African before American. With that in the back of their minds, it isn't hard to see how some of those people would not be willing to put their American citizenship in second or third place in their self identification while flocking ti pigslam. The same goes for all the hyphenated Americans who always identify with the first part of the hyphenated term.

I claim to be a native American as this is my native country. I only have 1/16th Cherokee blood, 50 percent German, The rest is Heinz 57 variety, but dammit, I was born in this country and I am a native American. This country deserves our first loyalty. Anyone who has lived outside of this country for any length of time is always grateful for the right to return here as a place of refuge when the rest of the world is falling apart. Very few are ready to relinquish their American citizenship even as they profess such disdain for our constitution.

I think most commenters here are missing the point of the following:

“Arabisation of the Islamic identity” is one of the major challenges facing the Muslim community in the US, he remarked. “We have been importing Imams from the Arab world. Obviously these Imams are not able to properly communicate with native Americans. Now we are setting up religious schools to produce American Imams,” he said.

Younis is not advocating Arabisation but decrying it. He claims this is the origin of all the problems muslims in America are experiencing. He is, apparently, an Arabophobic racist. Who'da guessed?

In any case, statements like this might cause the sugardaddies in Yemen, Saudi and UAE to dry up the river of funding to the American jihad. I'll lay odds that this is the main reason the article was taken down from this Arab news site.

I'll give Younis points for trying to fix the problem of extremists. I'll even give him the benefit of the doubt that this is his motivation (by "extremist" he probably would mean "violent jihadists" -- he wouldn't include political islamists like himself...)

However, like D'Souza's recent thesis that it's the caused by the American left, and the American left's (and most muslims) claim that it's all due to the American right, this simply misidentifies the source of the problem.

Sure Arabicization is part of the problem, but it is not because Arabs are evil people. Sure the moral depravity of American culture has helped motivate Jihad...but Jihad would be coming our way even if we were all pious monks, as long as we resisted Islamization. And yes, American right-wing jingoist chauvenism creates a whole lot of ill will around the world, and the right wing must carry some blame for this, but it sure as heck is nothing more an extenuating factor to jihad that's coming just because the values of the Islamists are at odds with those of the west; none of this explains why the jihad is gearing up in Canada, England, Sweden, Indonesia, Philipines, all across Africa, and so on.

Anyway, you'll hear a lot more of this line in the near future ... I've noticed that muslims are starting to make this statement in various forums: we need indigenous Islamic education to fight the imported extremism from the middle east. Of course, some dhimmi politicians will give them huge grants to fund their madrassas at taxpayers expense and only later find that, like the ones in England funded 10 and 20 years ago, they have become "antechambers for Islamic Extremism". In the meantime, as long as they can sell this line it will serve to distract attention from the real problem...

Dear Mr Ahmed Younis - it's not the Jewish Lobby and it's not powerful voices in the media that are determining public opinion on Islam. The sinking public image of Islam in America may just possibly have something to do with the connection of terrorism and Islam. New York, Washington, Madrid, London, Bali, Baghdad, Iraq, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Tunisia, Indonesia, Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Sudan, Thailand, the Philipines, Holland, France, Germany and Turkey. I'm sure I've left out some of the places Moslem terrorists have struck.

Let's not ignore attacks on innocent people in buses in Israel, cafes, banks, the murder of priests, the use of blasphemy laws to attack Christian, stoning of women, hanging of gay men, forcing women into burqas, conducting female circumcision, the preaching of hatred everyone, the defense of the murder of innocents, the attack and burning of embassies, the phony outrage due to Mohammed cartoons, the encouragement of pedophilia, the defense of gang rapists, the random murders that occur daily.

These things, that have been going on daily now for years, may, just may have something to do with the growing idea among Americans, that Moslems are savages, uncivilized brutes, who are a threat to civilized people of all races and creeds everywhere.

Mr Younis, "moderate Muslim", your religion is creating enemies everywhere. Your religion is the only religion with a concept of jihad. Americans have been threatened by "good" Muslims with the murder of millions. Fatwas have been issued by Islamic Scholars that it is legal under Muslim law/religion to murder millions of Americans.

Americans have a hard time recognizing that such thoughts are even possible from "Religious Scholars". But everyday, more Americans are recognizing this reality. To paraphrase the former Prime Minister of South Africa, P W Boetha, Islam must adapt or die. Such an aggressive, savage, vicious religion is too much of a threat to survive. So, Mr Younis, save your religion, adapt to civilization or see tens of millions of Moslems killed in the coming war.

I noticed the above Yahoo news cache no longer shows the original story, however it is available from google's cache.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:DH8JgFco_0sJ:www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp%3Fsection%3DLocal_News%26month%3DFebruary2007%26file%3DLocal_News200702191572.xml+%22Assert+American-Muslim+identity%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

Costello: 'Australia is not for you'...

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/20/costelloaustralias-not-for-you-keysarit-is-totally-un-australian-to-keep-picking-on-the-minority-this-is-an-attack-on-the-muslim-minority/

Wow. NOW I see why they took the article down.

It magically morphed into an interview with an "evangelical".

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=Local_News&subsection=Qatar+News&month=February2007&file=Local_News20070220252.xml

This is a prime tactic of the anti-christ-islamic-leftist axis. Roll out an "evangelical" from the National Association of Evangelicals and prop him up as what a 'moderate' Christian "should look like". "Just leave the Muslims alone! Let them decide about Iraq!"

"Just leave the Middle East alone! Let them decide about Israel!" Ha! Yeah right.

I would add that these same types are almost always very anti-Israel and because of their slavish, spineless attitudes: totally pro-Islam.

The article still appears in Google's cache. Go to the main Google and search for "Assert American-Muslim identity". Then select the cached copy.

The link, which is rather long, is: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:DH8JgFco_0sJ:www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp%3Fsection%3DLocal_News%26month%3DFebruary2007%26file%3DLocal_News200702191572.xml+%22Assert+American-Muslim+identity%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

jd

Bravo to the unbowed Andrew Whitehead of anti-CAIR for continuing his fight to expose CAIR for what it is. As for the cries of "Jewish Lobby", like what exactly do you call it when a Saudi prince dumps $50,000,000.00 into CAIR's coffers in aid of improving the image of Islam in the US?

Ahmed Younis --

this guy's an immam, right? Those scum that are trained to twist phrases, inserting negatives in the same sentence with positives, oxymorons, etc?

Smiling while telling lies?

They trained him well.

We always have to sitting down and try to figure out what he says, taking every sentence apart like doing surgery.