An update on this story. "Saudi wants Dutch MP apology for Islam offence: paper," from Reuters, with thanks to Raw:
RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia wants an apology from a Dutch politician who said Muslims should "tear out half the Koran" if they wanted to live in his country and has asked the Dutch government to intervene, a Saudi newspaper said on Sunday.The Dutch government, which said it did not agree with the remarks made by populist anti-immigration politician Geert Wilders, confirmed that foreign ministry officials held informal talks last week with the Saudi embassy in The Hague.
"It (the embassy) appealed to the appropriate authorities on the need for Wilders' insulting statements to be withdrawn and an apology given to Muslims," the Saudi newspaper al-Watan reported.
"The embassy has demanded that the Dutch side put an end to such statements and actions."
Wilders said in an interview published last week that Muslims should throw away half their holy book if they wanted to stay in the Netherlands and that he would chase Islam's Prophet Mohammad out of the country if he were alive today.
"Our minister is not happy with Wilders' remarks," a Dutch foreign ministry spokesman said.
"It is not the point of view of the Dutch government. Wilders is a parliamentarian, it is his right to express himself," the spokesman added.
At least for now.
Hopefully, Wilders will not cave:
Wilders stands by anti-Islam comments
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Perhaps the Saudis could consider a trade: they stop shredding Bibles, (and encourage (preferably by fatwa) other Islamic governments to do likewise), and, in return, Wilders promises not to introduce legislation mandating the equivalency of shredding parts of the Koran. And why stop there, perhaps Wilders should ban the active practice of Islam in Holland until the Saudis allow the free practice of other religions in their territory- and, again, encourage other Islmaic nations to follow suit with a strongly-worded fatwa.
That any Dutch government official is even bothering to talk with the Saudis about this would be a laughing matter if it were not for the factor of oil- and that small problem of that tiny minority of Muslim "extremists" currently allowed to live in Holland.
yardbird:
Excellent points, it would be great if Geert Wilders pushed that particular issue since he has been given a platform by those never ending outrageous hypocrits, The Saudis'.
Hopefully thousands of others who have strong platforms should raise the issue of the desecration of the Bible by Waahabist, and Saudi Religious police at every turn.
Stand firm Geert and do not capitulate, but do postulate to the Saudis' as compared to the wimp listed appeasers in the Dutch Government! Always keep in mind that though Muslims claim to revere Jesus Christ as a prophet they also proclaim that the New Testament of his teachings is corrupt.
We need more people like Ayaan Hirsi who left the Netherlands because the government could not handle someone who bravely was willing to confront Islamic practices.
yardbird:
Love your handle, are you a bebop afficionado?
Reciprocity is something almost everyone understands, and the concrete example you give
with respect to the Saudis is a great one.
Just like Hugh repeats his mantra about how
Mohammadan infiltration has made life worse for
the Infidels (us!) this one should be repeated
in every thread.
Want respect? Show some.
Exactly right yardbird.
What monumental bloody hypocrites the Saudis are.
Every time I think of the Saudis, the restaurant scene and the immortal words of John Belushi in The Blues Brothers come to mind,
[fakes accent] Jake: How much for the little girl?
The Saudis? They dare to demand an apology from Geert Widlers? This ludicrous tribe, all daggers and dishdashas, those corrupt and decadent members of the Al-Saud family, with their naming the entire country after themselves, and their theft of so much of Arabia's wealth for themselves, and their private lives of such obvious decadence (do they want the CIA to put up at You-Tube those tapes? To publish those pictures? To print the testimony of Western expatriates or, for that matter, of London and Parisian and Monegasque hoteliers? Do they?) with their hate-filled sermoneers and textbooks, and their funding of mosques, madrasas, and carefully-targetted well-financed campaigns of Daw'a all over the Western world?
Do they really want, at this point, to be publicly taken apart?
I am looking to buy my "You go Geert" tee shirt...
How do you say "F*** you Saudis" in Dutch? Come to think of it, we'll need translations for all languages. The Saudis have their finger in everyone's pie.
Hmm. Perhaps Mr. Wilders should ask the Saudis what portion of the Bible Christians living, for example, in Mecca, are able to carry with them on their way to church on Sunday morning. What percentage of the Torah are Jews living in Saudi Arabia permitted to keep in their Saudi Synagogues? Why is Saudi Arabia an "Apartheid State?" I would truly enjoy hearing responses to these questions, in a public venue, from the Saudi government.
To root_cause:
BIRD LIVES!
To everyone:
Imagine a world without the soaring beauty of Charlie Parker's musical flights.
I remember the story of an Afghan couple whose wedding music was banned by the Taliban, and of how they emmigrated to Pakistan, where at least they could enjoy music in relative freedom, and where thr groom joined a band.
Who could ever imagine that anyone would consider wedding music a threat?
You go Geert!
"Do they really want, at this point, to be publicly taken apart?"
Posted by: Hugh at February 19, 2007 01:27 PM
Most assuredly not, Hugh, but they deserve to be nevertheless. It sickens me that the ultimate enemy of the West, Saudi Arabia, is nearly exempt from media criticism.
If identifying the obvious theat of Islam is so difficult, maybe we should start with a never-ending airing of Saudi's dirty laundry. Let us not put the cart before the horse.
It doesn't sound like Mr. Wilders will be backing down. Thank you, Mr. Wilders.
Wilders stands by anti-Islam comments
Monday 19 February 2007
Anti-immigration MP Geert Wilders said on Sunday he had no intention of apologising to Saudi Arabia for recent comments he made about the Koran. A foreign affairs ministry spokesman told ANP there had been informal contacts from the Saudi ambassador to the Netherlands but no official complaint had been made.
'Are they mad?,' Wilders told ANP. 'It is a scandal that a country without freedom of speech tries to teach me a lesson.'
In an interview with newspaper De Pers last week, Wilders said Moslims should tear out half of the Koran if they wanted to stay in the Netherlands. There were 'enough terrible things' in the book, Wilders said.
Outgoing foreign minister Ben Bot has said that he regretted Wilder's statement, which was not good for the Netherlands' reputation abroad.
On Saturday, Wilders told the Volkskrant that he was 'not happy' that there would soon be two Moslims in the cabinet. 'I would rather there were not,' he said.
The Dutch government, which said it did not agree with the remarks...
So, then we can infer that the Dutch government agrees with the contents of the Koran? Maybe the vaunted Dutch aren't as liberal as thought:
2:216 * 4:74 * 9:111 * 8:12 * 4:96 * 56:22 * 38:51 * 55:56 * 55:76 * 56:22 * 8:74 * 9:2 *
Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: "Wipe the infidels out to the last."
--- Koran 8:7
I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and Mohammed.
--- Koran 8:12
And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for disbelief is worse than slaughter.
--- Koran 2:191
Truly, if the disbelievers stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.
--- Koran 33:60
Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.
--- Koran 9:5
Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
--- Koran 8:39
If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.
--- Koran 8:57
The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and Mohammed and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful.
--- Koran 5:33
Believers, obey Allah, and obey Mohammed. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.
--- Koran 47:33
Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is Mohammed.
--- Koran 9:3
Ginen Wahhaabis do not even recognize any other religion, Saudis are Islamic bigots if there were any.
Alarmed Pig Farmer
Aaagh! I just lost my appetite because of those cursed verses from the cursed holy book of Islam. Oh well, it's a needed reminder for why I need to be on guard. Organic Chemistry takes time away from this.
Pig Farmer - you forgot this one:
002.216
YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
PICKTHAL: Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
SHAKIR: Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
and Allah ta'alla knows best.
Slavery is Freedom
Ignorance is Wisdom
Tyranny is Justice
Big Brother loves you
wrathofasma,
I believe the first word stays the same, its something like:
f*** u Saoedigers
or possibly :
F*** Saoedi-arabisch u
The Saudis, the supposed guardians of the Islamic "holy of holies", are doing the bare minimum that is required to pacify their restive subjects who admire Bin Laden and who despise openly their corrupt, hypocritical Western-puppet "monarchy."
G K Chesterton writes of the attributes of the barbarian. Chief among them is that the barbarian does not recognise the concept of reciprocity.
Pope Benedict has also noted that there is no reciprocity with Islam.
Chesterton again
Chesterton was defining the Prussian barbarian but the definitions apply equally well elsewhere.
Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy --- a fierce slaughter --— murdered, a horrible murdering.
You must concede that Allah had a certain... paleo-panache going back in the 6th century.
I wonder if he's lightened up any since he uttered this famous Koranic command. I mean, c'mon, murdered, a horrible murdering?! What kind of God is that?
Sounds more like the Green River Killer or BTK to me.
Only half?
The nerve of this. Americaningermany should be here to spew green bile over this porcine bunch, anybody know what happened to him?
Saudi sows are the enemy. If G.W. B. had not been entangled with them, they should have been taken out, oilfields secured, before dealing with Iraq, which although shaking a threatening fist at us, was contained and could have been taken care of in due order.
When are those Saudis going to apologize for the destruction, burning of bibles and other nonmuslim religious items they destroyed over the years. What the saudis and all islamists need is a wake up.
DP111:
Thanks for your post regarding Chesterton's observation of the lack of reciprocity in islam. That lack seems to be a defining characteristic. (And it is a simple concept. Why didn't I notice it and name it already??)
Anyway, thanks.
" ... Americaningermany should be here to spew green bile over this porcine bunch, anybody know what happened to him?
Posted by: anti-uffe "
She - she - is around. I read occasional comments of hers here and there. But I must admit, not all that much these days, or for a while.
DOES WILBERS HAVE A WEBSITE OR EMAIL SO i CAN THANK HIM AS A cANADIAN.
shame we have to deal with these people, all over oil. lets pull out of this area, give military aid and comfort to israel, warn all middle eastern nations that an attack on israel will be dealt with by tactical nukes. lets go green, lets go bio fuel, lets go solar, hydro, nuclear energy, anything so that these monsters are not funding the jihad anymore.
time bush and all western leaders stop washing their hands in oil, stop this partnership with the saudis. we need to stop the saudis funding any more terror, mosques, education centers in the west.
Anyone who hasn't done so should read the lawsuit filed on behalf of the victims of 9/11 against, in effect, the government of Saudi Arabia, with a nice naming of names:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/cases/97/wtccomp.htm
The Saudis remain untouchables, try getting hearings on them going in D.C., but follow the money and all roads lead to...Jeddah.
Geert won't cave.
But what is the next step for the Saudis?
They either back down, or step up the pressure. Interesting to see how this develops.
LOVE YOU GEERT!
Does anyone watch hardtalk on BBC cable?
I saw one where the interviewer Stephen Sackur was giving Wilders a pounding over his anti-Islamic stance.
The interview that Stephen Sackur had with Keith Ellision was totally fawning, and Sackur was giving Ellison's critics a pounding.
Regarding that 911 lawsuit against the Saudis and other 'shieks' and their Muslim banks, James Baker's law firm is representing the Saudis. Isn't that something, or not a surprise at all?
The Saudic will win over the suit file by money hunger america looking for inorent people and orgination with money to sue without just cause. Judical Watch is than other group of far right wing christian with nothing better to do. It I was the judge I would permend disbar the compliant att from the pracice of law.
Costello sez: 'Australia is not for you..'
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/20/costelloaustralias-not-for-you-keysarit-is-totally-un-australian-to-keep-picking-on-the-minority-this-is-an-attack-on-the-muslim-minority/
Thank you for your astute legal analysis, defenderofislam. Your "inorent" people finance
global Jihad and the shell-game of names they hide behind: SAAR network, International Islamic Relief Organization, Muslim World League, WAMY, al-Rajhi bank, al Baraka Bank, al Haramain charity, al Shamal Islamic Bank, the Islamic Republic of Sudan, al Qaeda, the Taliban, Rabita Trust, Global Diamond Resources, Blessed Relief Foundation, Prince Turki of the Istakhbarat, Prince Sultan himself, can't disguise the truth of the matter.
James Baker? One of Hugh's favorite subjects...
We need more men (Wilders) with the nards to stand up to these forked tongued vile creations.
Imagine western country where claims by Moslems that Islam was a religion of peace were met with universal derision by the rest of the population; girls in hijabs were ordered not to wear political uniforms in publicly owned buildings; requests to have crosses on war memorials in front of mosques were met with lawsuits for being a public nuisance; anti-cartoon protests were taken to trial for attempting to interfere in the right of free expression; halal slaughterhouses were subjected to animal cruelty laws; mosques were regularly inspected for hate literature and ones with'form' were also searched for weapons; any Muslim, as a mater of course, was subject to stringent vetting nd searching before being allowed on an airline; jokes about Mohammed and anything else to do with Islam were perfectly acceptable both in the mass media and at civilised dinner parties; all newspapers included a special section tracking, on a daily basis, the activities of Muslims worldwide in pursuing their supremacist aims; any death threats, even by e-mail, were treated as statements of intent to murder, by the police, and investigated until the culprit could be arrested and imprisoned; even to say that one would like to have sharia law in that country would be treated as treasonable words and dealt with accordingly; where Muslim proselitisation in jails was forbidden on the grounds that it so frequently turned ordinary criminals into dangerous and violent traitors; the face-veil was banned as a clear threat to public security; calls to prayers, through loudspeakers were prohibited as a cacophony under the noise abatement rules; astrict limit was placed on hw much money any Muslim country could pay to individuals or groups in that country, including the building of mosques; any Muslim suspected of polygamy were subjected to surveillance and if it ewere proved, jailed; the habit that Muslims have of lying to non-Muslims was widely publicised, with numerous examples cited, for the amusement of the populace; large geographical concentrations of Muslims were regarded as undesirable; school textbooks of comparative religion included free and frank discussion of jihad, apostasy, dhimmitude, unsavoury passages in the Koran etc; documentaries were shown on TV about the more lurid aspects of Mohammed's career and the various escapades worldwide during the course of the last 1400 years.
If all these things, and more, occurred in that country, perhaps the resident Muslims would, of their own accord, push off and live in a country more to their taste such as a non-democratic, police state i.e. the normal Muslim one.
To hell with those tribal hypocrites, the Saudi slime! What right do they have to dictate what elected officials in the Netherlands or anywhere else say? It is so refreshing to hear someone in a Western government tell it like it is.
They imprison people for practicing other religions in Saudi Arabia and that's fine with the dhimmi Dutch government. When will the West demand reciprocity from the Saudi's and the rest of the sleazy, corrupt, duplicitous islamic world?! The Saudi reaction to Geert's comments is a blatant proclamation of islamic superiority. How dare they meddle in the affairs of a sovereign Western nation; who in the hell do they think they are?!
Perhaps Mr Wilders should pay a visit to Rep. Virgil Goode.
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Go to his website at Groep Wilders foundation.
UPDATE
Translated from Dutch.
Saudi Arabia Demands apology Wilders.
Saudi Arabia has shown their dissatisfaction to the Dutch government
about the recent judgments of PVV party Member of Parliament Geert
Wilders about the Koran, The Saudi embassy in Den Hague has demanded a
apology to all Muslims about his recent remarks about the Koran.
Wilders said earlier this week in a interview with the daily paper The
Pers that muslims should rip out half of the Koran if they wanted to
stay in the Netherlands, Wilders said that there are ‘’enough terrible
things’’ in the Koran.
The remarks of Wilders reached the media in the Islamic world true
Morocco, where newspaper printed the remarks of the PVV leader.
Geert Wilders does not even think about making a apology to the muslims
because of his judgments about the Koran.
‘’no hair on my head that thinks about taking back even one millimeter,
have they become crazy ? it is a outrage that a country that has no
freedom of speech and opinion wants to teach me a lesson. They should
learn you can say what you want as a member of Parliament here’’ thus
Wilders against RTL News.
Wilders will ask minister Ben Bot of the foreign affairs if he wants to
teach the Saudi ambassador a ‘’lesson in parliamentary democracy’’
Bot has expressed himself concerning the remarks of Wilders about the
Koran and the Islamic prophet Mohammed (That if he was alive today
Wilders would like to ‘’cover him with tar and feathers and kick him out
of the Netherlands’’).
Bot said to regret the remarks of Wilders, The minister said that after
the remarks of Wilders reached the Moroccan and Pakistani media.
Bot said that the remarks of Wilders where not good for the image of the
Netherlands abroad.
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/73574
DefenderofIslam,
"The Saudic will win over the suit file by money hunger america looking for inorent people and orgination with money to sue without just cause. Judical Watch is than other group of far right wing christian with nothing better to do. It I was the judge I would permend disbar the compliant att from the pracice of law."
Could it be that Geert Wilders is also calling for needed reformation in Islam which it needs bigtime? It is time for reformation if Islam is to "get with the 21st century". Reformation works for both the Christian and Jewish faiths and can work with Islam. Also it is the Saudis who have nothing better to do, it needs to stay out of the afairs of the Netherlands.
Keep up the good work, Geert Wilders.
DefenderofIslam "wrote":
"The Saudic will win over the suit file by money hunger america looking for inorent people and orgination with money to sue without just cause. Judical Watch is than other group of far right wing christian with nothing better to do. It I was the judge I would permend disbar the compliant att from the pracice of law."
Defender,
You cannot misspell every other word and expect to be taken seriously. For God's sake man, use internet tool sites like www.dictionary.com. If you arrived here at JW/DW, you have the capability to do this.
Nothing new about Saudi demands and threats to Western governments. Remember this one which at the time was seen as direct attack on Islam and Saudi sensitities:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/princess/reflect/harvard.html
It created a dimplomatic incident between the Sauds and Britain, and to some extent the US.
There was some kowtowing from officials back then but no outright capitualation. I wonder how it would play out now.
This message is meant for:
Posted by: wrathofasma at February 19, 2007 01:34 PM
In Dutch we say: Loop naar de hel (Go to hell) or Lik mijn reet (Kiss my ass) but in Dutch it's more crude.
Wilders will never apologise, those hypocrites in the Middle East can wait ''tot Sint Juttemus' (can wait till they die. I also would rather die than bow for those camels, they are mere trash.
I'm getting a feeling of solidarity with other non-moslems in Europe. What you guys think of this?:
http://www.tace.com/items/16984.html
Ain't it gorgeous?
I meant the Star:
Star of David Pin: Patriotic Rhinestone STAR OF DAVID Pin
http://www.tace.com/items/16984.html
Like the Muslims say, "Islam is peace!" (Believe it or else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
This is the best news to come out of Holland for a very long time. They need to PRAISE Mr. Geert Wilders - not bury him.
The rest of Holland's politicians should be ashamed of themselves! They should be backing this guy up. At least he had the balls which is more than can be said about the rest of the dhimmis.
They need to stand united instead of acting like a bunch of wimps.
Of course this goes for all our Western guvments - not only the Dutch.
Morghodius:
Bot said that the remarks of Wilders where not good for the image of the
Netherlands abroad.
My opinion of the Netherlands has gone up now that I know guys like Wilders exist there. It's particularly brave of him given what happened to Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh.
Uitstekend!
Voltaire:
I saw one where the interviewer Stephen Sackur [BBC journalist] was giving Wilders a pounding over his anti-Islamic stance.
The interview that Stephen Sackur had with Keith Ellision was totally fawning, and Sackur was giving Ellison's critics a pounding.
Just in case anyone has not got the message yet, the BBC is a repository for bleeding-heart liberals, Marxists, Communists, Hamas apologists and jihadist sympathisers. It is a veritable temple to political correctness and multiculturalism.