Spot the common problem

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Here is the common problem within the common problem. It is from the comment section below the article:

Posted by Greg Williams of Perth on Sun 18 Feb 07 at 08:13pm
Posted by Mark of Moorabbin on Sun 18 Feb 07 at 05:16pm

What a foolish reactionary you are Mark. This thread is not about the choice of techniques or weapons of the terrorists but about the fact that the majority of the people suffering are actually Muslims. Christ you’re a moron Mark. Get help before it’s to late!

See the problem?

The problem with D is that he is half-right but thinks he is all right. Robert sees the other half of the truth and knows that violent Jihad is in the DNA of Islam's theology and that it is time to confront (not deny) that truth.

Islam is not unique, but rather typical in reflecting human nature. The theology of Islam permits deception, the exploitation and killing "the other", perfectly rationalizes these things. This kind of "theology" is historically used to establish dominance by one group over another.

Every nation, every empire in history (Aztec, Spanish, Arab, China, America, England, etc.) has been established by violence, by the forced submission, often the extermination of the "other" culture. (Sometimes there is an actual extermination of the most recently "native" peoples in the establisment of a new nation, a new empire.) Very often the historic pattern of conquest is done in the name of God as the conquerors become the new ruling class. Man needs a "good" reason for exploitation and dominance.

Islam is the most effective ideology in supporting this will-to-power. The Arabs built a machine of cultural genocide and exploitation, in India they actually exterminated a large portion of the Hindu population. We are seeing the rebirth of this in our time, this will to power, desire for dominance, this desire for submission of "the other", the desire for exploitation, and even the killing of the "other" in the name of God.

The Arabs and Muslims generally are no different than other groups in inventing an ideology (a "religion") that rationalizes supremacist ideology. But to pretend that that rationalization is not central to Islam is absurd and dangerous to the future of the human race. We have to get beyond old ways and recognize that the theology of Islam is the problem-for everbody.

Yeah, even Christianity had a horrible beginning with killing each other over religious reasons, but this is 2007 ?

I have come to the conclusion that the behavior of nations and empires writes in billboard letters what is really human nature. The behavior of nations, the predatory nature of groups acting in the name of God, is a macrocosm of our individual natures. We cooperate against a designated "enemy" to exploit them. Other than that, we revert to our individual selfish-bastard nature. (We are usually kind to our own children. But that is not always the case either. And sometimes people hate relatives worse than strangers.) Islam is about such dominance as a group.

We need rationalizations to dominate and exploit others. To recognize the universal nature of this aspect of human nature is very important to the future of the human species. Jesus was right that we have to cease All deception-hypocrisy on this.

Jeff-

Actually Christianity was the religion of the conquered in the Roman Empire. It broke the violence of the Germanic invaders. Only later was it used by agressors.

Jeff, when l was in grade six, we had a subsitute teacher from Africa. He told us that Christianity help save the Africans. l was totally taken back by that statement, and now that l am much older can understand that he was right.
We in the West are more open, and our sins are out in public, while islam and their sickness is kept hush, and what looks as modesty on the outside, you have forced rapes, forced marriages, child abuse all kept hush. That is where Dinesh gets it wrong.
He fails to understand the difference between the openess of the West, and hidden evilness of so called conservative family life among Muslims. pity
this Dinesh still stuck in the wilderness.

In a tape of a confrontation between Waffa Sultan and some Islamic guy on TV, she points out the universal nature of our uses of rationalization for exploitation and dominance of other humans. She pointed out that Islam does that too. The guy brushed aside her point and starts talking about how Americans treated the "Indians". He missed her point entirely.

We are an infantile species that needs to shift responsibility to "the other" as we seek to exploit and dominate them. That's the problem.

Bolt is a national (Australian) treasure. The son of Dutch immigrants, he understands completely what's at stake.

And sorry, Hugh, but he's a staunch 'global warming' skeptic.

witness - yes I see the common problem within the problem. At least this guy ("So much for subtlety") gets it:

"Posted by So Much For Subtlety on Sun 18 Feb 07 at 11:46pm
Posted by Alex of Brisbane on Sun 18 Feb 07 at 01:41pm:"The issue isn’t Muslims or islam per se - it’s a specific, virulent brand of Islamic fundamentalism. these are people prepared to slaughetr other Muslims as well as Westerners.”
So what if they are prepared to slaughter other Muslims? Notice that they do so because they think those other “Muslims” are kafirs like us, not because they are fighting a war of all against all. They are fighting specifically against non-Muslims as they see them. The issue is entirely one of Islam in my opinion. The only difference comes down to who is or is not a “kafir”. The moderates think we are and so approve, silently or otherwise, attacks on us. The extremists think we and the moderates are."

The above are my thoughts re: Spot the common problem. I think Jesus was right that our deceptive, predatory human nature sucks and that a recognition of that is part of the process of peace with God, peace with each other, peace with ourselves. The other half of his his message is the amazing statement that God loves us in spite of what we are naturally. I find the second part hard to believe.

I appreciate Robert's schooling of Dinesh D'Souza. Of course this helps others besides Dinesh to learn what Islam is really up to. The most important thing the infidel must know is Jihad and it's multifaceted ways of subjugating the non Muslim. If Islam wasn't irredentist no outsider would much care about the madness and inhumanness of this false religion founded by a false prophet

And sorry, Hugh, but he's a staunch 'global warming' skeptic.
Posted by: Dane
hey l like Bolt even better! ot, new book out called the Political Incorrect guide to Global Warming, by author Christopher ? , was on talk radio Friday, just blew the proponents of Global Warming caused by Humans out of the water!

Dinesh D'Souza and his claims are a little off base. I for one am fighting the Islamite’s in every way I know how. But we are loosing, as we all know. Not one of us can claim that the Islamite’s will NOT come to power in the USA, this is a fore-gone conclusion, perhaps not today, but we all know in our hearts that it will come one day. We have already lost the battle. My question is why, what made us so weak, so easy to persuade into giving up our Nation so easily.
The people that rail against the Islamite’s are not the working class nor are they the poverty class in the USA, which make up the vast majority. The Black race in the US is, for the most part, the main group that has turned their backs on the US and accepted Islam. They feel it to be empowering to their cause, and there may be a side to this that spits into the eye of the Whites in America. But what I find is that most US citizens don’t care one little bit whether or not Shira Law or the Constitution is in place and is the Law of the land. They find little regard for either one. But Islam looks to be an enabling form of this process, and the poor and us working stiffs look to be the benefactors in this. The losers will be the wealthy and the ruling class. So why should I fight against the inevitable? Why should anyone fight?
The rich and powerful have their own laws and are not subject to the same rules as the rest of us. So my choice seems to be to just go along with the program or let the cards fall where they may, it will make little difference to me and my family. My point here is, what’s the difference if I or my sons die in some US sponsored war (56,826 in VN + 4 Million Viet), are murdered in the streets, (32,000 last year), go to some prison here in the US (4 million), or are financially wired out in some legal defense that not many of us can afford.( the rest of us). I defy any one to give a good reason why the US system is better than the Shira system of laws, given the facts that I have stated.

Given that the KKK and the Nazis espouse a violent, supremacist doctrine based on racial superiority, I think we anti-jihadists need to convey in a simple way that Islam is the religious equivalent. Instead of calling it racism, which it isn't, we need to come up with a pithy and catchy epithet. But what? Maybe someone has a suggestion. Just saying "jihadi" or even "holy warrior" lacks punch.
Maybe then all those naive people who are yelling "racist" will stop fighting the last war and join up with this one.

I defy any one to give a good reason why the US system is better than the Shira system of laws, given the facts that I have stated.
posted by;
SteveL

Well I bet you'd sing a different tune if your name was Stefanie or Stella.

Aunt Bea

Nice discussion Frank. It is consistent with the Saudi ruling class living large and drinking Jack Daniels while they export Islam. Islam sure seems like a method to spread their vision of Arab supremacism.

Western decadence is not at the root of Jihadi behavior, but it sure adds fuel to the fire. The self-indulgence and excesses plastered all over the TV are disturbing to me. The images must be very offensive to families who are struggling to get by on a few dollars a day.

The root of the problem is the core teachings of Islam, but our own behavior keeps that root well watered. Tracks well with the Book if Isaiah.

I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.

The rich and powerful have their own laws and are not subject to the same rules as the rest of us. So my choice seems to be to just go along with the program or let the cards fall where they may, it will make little difference to me and my family.

You got your "facts" just a little upside down Steve L. It is precisely types like you and your family (and me and mine) that would suffer. Yes the rich & powerful always do well whatever the system. You seem confused as to the benifit of living in a representative democracy. You need to read up on Sharia - start with "Radical Islam's Rules" by Paul Marshall.

Get back to me when you're a little more educated and thinking a little more clearly.

SteveL; Because Sharia prohibits freedom of thought. With this loss comes the loss of enterprise that has produced a free and prosperous West.

The Rockefeller’s and Kerry’s and Kennedy’s of the world who live off of the successes of their grandfathers and abuse the system are a disgrace. But most of the wealthy people I’ve met are first generation. Very few had college degrees, just a strong work ethic mixed with instinct and luck.

Islam is submission, in reality to a religious / oil money elite. Our children would not likely have the opportunity to start off as a concrete finisher and become powerful men under a system where the working class were made submissive.

And I don’t want someone telling me to shave my balls.

Davegreybeard
You seem confused as to the benifit of living in a representative democracy. You need to read up on Sharia - start with "Radical Islam's Rules" by Paul Marshall.

Your ignorance and condescension not withstanding, it is my family I am referring to. Both of my sons are in the US Army, one in Africa the other in Afghanistan. But you are missing the point, My Grandfather was in WWI My Uncles were in WW2, my dad was in Korea, I was in Viet Nam, my sons are in the ME. So please don’t let ignorance override your common since. The point to us is ‘when will it even end? When will we stop, will it make a difference when my sons are killed?
I ran into a Mexican in Cal last week, and as he was an illegal here I asked him if he was concerned that he was going to be sent back. His answer to me was a little upsetting but it was true. He said the ‘America belongs to everyone’, anyone who can get here can have the same rights as a person that has been here for 200 years, and you know, he is right. We have become nothing more than cash cows for the rich and powerful. So please explain to me, Mr. big time thinker, just why should my sons die for the USA? So Bush can name a garbage scow after his nephew? It is not worth dieing for, just ask any Mexican.

Aunt Bea, are you saying that we have no violence towards women here in the USA? I’ll give you an answer as soon as I get a reply from the ‘Green River Killer’, he is busy watching TV up in Washington State.

Pez;
Islam is submission, in reality to a religious / oil money elite. Our children would not likely have the opportunity to start off as a concrete finisher and become powerful men under a system where the working class were made submissive.

Are you telling me that my sons should be killed for your chance to become powerful! Are you kidding? That aint worth a pinch of pig shit. Ps: the working class ARE made submissive here as well, it is NOT the workers that prosper in the USA, as you well know. I don’t want my sons to die for some ones opportunity to prosper. This is the same argument that was used in Viet Nam, and it made no since then as well. And now we have come full circle, we can only leave Iraq when we are not subject to loose our honor. HEY, where have I heard that before… oh yea, Nixon said it, ‘withdrawal with honor’, and from the time that clown said that crap till the time we left Viet Nam 12,000 more Americans died, and 1 million Viets… sound wisdom… sound wisdom…

Glad to make your acquaintance Steve L!

I owe your sons a debt that I cannot pay but I am forever thankful for young men like them.

My Dad flew B-24's out of Saipan. I was an Infantry 1st Lt. on an Advisor Team, Viet Nam
'68-'69.

"The point to us is ‘when will it even end? When will we stop, will it make a difference when my sons are killed?"

I pray with you for your sons' safe return. With Gods' grace they will return safely, as both you and I did.

I become angry when someone says "we are losing" or "we can't win!"

Honest men have permission to stop fighting tyranny when they stop breathing.

Steve L; I’m not that powerful and my thoughts are with your sons. In 2007, America remains the land of opportunity, but I agree that our system of government is in failing. Mother nature’s plan for mass propagation of the fittest has been replaced with mass propagation of those who choose not to worry too much about the nurturing or financial futures of their children. In a representative democracy, that undermines stability. Now that immigrants are as likely to be drawn to the States by government benefits as they are by opportunity, we’re in big trouble.

But the answer isn’t Sharia. The answer is to let the government bankrupt itself and then pick up the pieces. The reformation will hopefully address most of our problems. I’m a proud vet with a young family. I’d always looked forward to seeing my son join the service and so I could inspect his uniform, just like my dad did to mine. I don’t know anymore. Things will get worse before they get better, but they’ll get better. Sometimes I think Bush is a genius by doing everything he can to accelerate the process.

Best to your sons.

Even if the west lived a perfect moral life, Islam is out to conquer the west.

I defy any one to give a good reason why the US system is better than the Shira system of laws, given the facts that I have stated.
posted by;
SteveL

One reason is that under the US system you can freely make that statement. Under Sharia if you suggested that the US system of law was superior, you could lose your head.
You say your uncles fought in WW2. Why? Surely life under Nazi law would be no worse than under Sharia, and neither any worse than US law. I'm assuming they fought on the American side. 32000 murders in a year? What year was this? US murders peaked at 24700 in 1991, and the number fell to 16700 in 2005.

Excellent points Ebonystone.

BIGGEST problem we have is our own appathetic citizens not knowing what we have, why it is superior and what it takes to keep it.

Steven L - why don't you go stick a burkha on your wife and ask her how she feels about it? And while you're at it explain to her about the 4 witnesses thing in case she gets raped. Apparently you don't have daughters, only sons. Also apparently you see no value to freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, art, science or truth. Of course in many islamic countries, its a very few who hog all the wealth anyway and so the vast majority of folks are poor anyway and without much hope of ever getting rid of their leaders and corrupt mullahs. AND they're without freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the developed arts and sciences of the west. And they have to listen to the damned call of satan 5 times a day. Sure, anyone of us can say, why should I care? I'll be dead when this all goes down and I don't have kids anyway so why should I care if the whole world slips back into the dark ages? I'll just go back to watching T.V. It sounds like you're so disgusted with what America has become that that's your thought process. But if you really see no difference between Sharia law and the kind of brain-washed people it produces versus the US Constitution, then I wonder why you ever served in the first place? And I wonder what your father and grandfather fought for? Your reservations about what your sons are fighting for in the ME is one thing - but that seems to me to be a question of strategy, not an issue of what's fundamentally worth fighting for. What about fighting against the encroachment of Sharia through the demographic jihad? You don't think that's worth resisting either because there's no difference between Sharia and the Constitution?

Dear Robert Spencer, You are asking dinesh to " sit down ". Pleeeaazzeee.

Recall Peter Seller's lines in 'Party':
"..we indians know who we are , we don't think who we are."

Stinking Serendipity !

jewdog: "Given that the KKK and the Nazis espouse a violent, supremacist doctrine based on racial superiority, I think we anti-jihadists need to convey in a simple way that Islam is the religious equivalent. Instead of calling it racism, which it isn't, we need to come up with a pithy and catchy epithet. But what? Maybe someone has a suggestion. Just saying "jihadi" or even "holy warrior" lacks punch."

Jewdog - I think that's the point behind the term "Islamofascism". But it's probably a better idea to use whatever term actually conveys the true reality. For example, while it is true that "racism" is now a huge bubaboo, that wasn't always the case historically. A brief reading of what prominent and well-respected people said merely a century ago, clearly shows that what we now denounce as racism was widely accepted. It's only now that calling someone a "racist" has the power to shut people up because we do not accept that racism is acceptable now.

You may not think that calling someone a "jihadi" packs enough punch right now. Besides "racism", "fascism" appears to be the other term that could be used to suggest that someone is not considered "fit company" in acceptable society. But it took awhile for that to happen too. It took historical perspective. I wasn't around in the 1940's but there must have been plenty of people who calmly announced that they were "Nazi's" who were still accepted at all the most fashionable social parties. Now we use the term with complete derision and we socially ostracize such people.

I don't think jihadis happen to attend very many dinner parties but those working towards Sharia law are not necessarily "jihadis" in a technical sense anyway. I could see a point, however, years down the road, when "devout Muslim" could come to convey something very negative and not acceptable in polite society. You can't rush that kind of thing though by trying to come up with a catchy name. Those catchy names, acquire their "catchiness" through history - through the actual impact upon real human lives and societies. There's no marketing ploy, in other words. There's just reality and it's eventual documentation in history. And so we should simply seek to describe reality as it is now and let the future take care of determining the degree to which an appellation actually does or does not have an emotional impact.

Caroline

I am from Dearborn. I went to Dearborn High, in Dearborn Michigan. In 1979 we raised 10,000$ to fight the Islamites in city court. We took issue with the loudspeakers and their call to prayer. We, or should I say, the citizens won and it was ruled a nuisance and it disturbed the peace. You know the rest of the story. I moved from Dearborn, along with 100,000 other long time citizens as it became too dangerous to live there, me being a white Christian and all. Now 25 years later the message is getting out. But I am sorry to say this, we are doomed, it is far too late for anyone to combat the islamites, and to think otherwise is folly.
Now we are being gunned down in the malls by muslim children, and we have no idea how to protect our selves or our families. We are restricted by our own laws and our half assed morality. We are being run\controlled by large corporations that we have no hope of influencing. It is only a matter of time before the marketers are pandering to the islamites, and you and I are shoved to the side. Trust me in this, I was there in Dearborn as a kid, and it only took 15 years or so to convert the entire city to islam. It will take far less time for corporate America to convert the rest of the nation. We have a weak central government that is being driven by greed. It looks to me that our leaders understand the situation and are looting the nation even as we speak. If you think otherwise, please respond with your arguments as I feel we have little time left if we are to combat this menace.

Steve,

We could ask God for help. It worked at Lepanto.

"Honest men have permission to stop fighting tyranny when they stop breathing." Davegreybeard

Thanks Dave. That one statement of fact made reading all the other posts worth my while.

The words "Infidel" and "kafir" are humiliating and must be abolished if there is ever to be any understanding between Moslems and us. We are not negatives: non-believers, unbelievers, not even non-Moslems.

What "they," the "believers," the "faithful,' believe in is not worthy of even consideration as a belief for us.

Moslems,

We are the majority, we are the World (We are not the children. You are, if you take for your life's guide this half-baked melange of words and thoughts stolen from established belief-systems.)

You don't want to be called "muzzie?" Then don't call me "kafir" or "infidel."

Capeesh?

The words "Infidel" and "kafir" are humiliating and must be abolished if there is ever to be any understanding between Moslems and us. We are not negatives: non-believers, unbelievers, not even non-Moslems.

What "they," the "believers," the "faithful,' believe in is not worthy of even consideration as a belief for us.

Moslems,

We are the majority, we are the World (We are not the children. You are, if you take for your life's guide this half-baked melange of words and thoughts stolen from established belief-systems.)

You don't want to be called "muzzie?" Then don't call me "kafir" or "infidel."

Capeesh?

Steve L - you and your family have obviously sacrificed much for all of us. But now take out a map of the US and locate "Dearborn" on that map, relative to the US as a whole. By contrast, take out a map and locate "Israel" in the Middle East, relative to the whole. And note that Israel has survived some 60 years now. It sounds to me like you come from a "warrior" class. Maybe you are tired. If so, I don't blame you. But the fact is that it's not over yet. Try to keep in mind that the internet is a new invention, something that the victims of jihad (even back in 1979) didn't have on their side before, but which now enables them to understand what they are up against and to fight back, merely through global awareness of what Islam is all about. Times have really changed Steve. Fighting is obviously in your blood. Don't give up the fight now. It just doesn't make any objective sense to do so.

Caroline responds that Islamo-fascist will do for now, while history will determine the outcome, not catchy phrases.
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Thanks, Caroline, I like your answer. I just wish we could short-circuit the learning curve somehow, instead of having to experience all the destruction it's going to take before people wise up.

While not technically correct, "Islamonazi" carries a lot of the necessary freight.

Actually, Jewdog, if you read my post more carefully, I think you will see that "devout Muslim" is my term of choice. Not catchy at all. Just reality. History will decide.

Davegreybeard,

"Islamonazi" works or me. It's more accurate than Islamofascists. Islam and its Moslems are both, the progenitors and heirs of the Nazis. They have made "Mein Kampf" their textbook (after the koran, of course), and are voraciously eating up "The Protocols . . . ). Their Jew-hatred equals or exceeds that of the Nazis. They whine as victims, painting the Israelis as today's Nazis.

Islamonazi is not only more accurate, it is showing them exactly for what they are.

Concerning Steve L's post,

and this goes for steve and the rest who are feeling down at the mouth.

Deaborn was taken over by Moslems 25 years ago. A lot has happened since then; we have learned--and are still learning--how to combat the Moslems that seek to toss us out of our homesland.

DO NOT GIVE UP

DO NOT LOSE YOUR FIGHTING SPIRIT

WANT TO KNOW HOW TO WIN AGAINST ISLAM?

http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com/2006/10/even-more-drastic-times-call-for-even.html

en francais
http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com/2006/10/jeudi-19-octobre-2006-appel-bien-plus.html

ISLAM DELENDA EST

anyone read about this?

Sun, February 18, 2007
Attacked by thugs
Greyhound driver finishes route despite injuries

By BROOKES MERRITT, SUN MEDIA

A Greyhound bus driver is being heralded for bravery after he fought off a group of attackers who tricked him into stopping, then swarmed him in Lloydminster yesterday.

The ambush wasn't enough to make the gutsy driver, who cops would describe only as a man in his 50s, to neglect his duties. He was treated at the local hospital for minor injuries, got back on the bus and drove his 52 passengers to Saskatoon.

The bus driver's union says such attacks are "an ongoing and rising problem," and police say the man was lucky to escape with only minor injuries.

Meanwhile, a city bus driver, who was the victim of a similar attack in Mill Woods, lauded the Greyhound driver's courage for finishing his bus run, but offered a word of caution to other drivers.

"Take a look around, especially at night, before you step off your bus alone," James Bird said yesterday.

Lloydminster RCMP Const. Jennifer McLean-Cutler said the bus, en route from Edmonton to Saskatoon, was in the intersection of 45 Street and 55 Avenue at 3 a.m. when the thugs ambushed the driver.

McLean-Cutler said a group of men in their 20s threw "an (unidentified) object at the bus to get it to stop."

When the driver got out to investigate, he was set upon by the men, who pummelled him with their fists and feet.

"Passengers called 911 on their cellphones, police arrived and the suspects fled on foot," McLean-Cutler said.

Police chased them to a nearby home where six people were arrested. Charges are expected to be laid soon.

National Amalgamated Transit Union president Jim Higgs said the attack highlights the need for tougher legislation to prosecute those who commit random violence.

"Our unionized members - who also work for city transit in Edmonton - are often subjected to verbal and physical abuse. It can happen at any time," Higgs told the Sun. "And the frequency and severity of these events has escalated considerably."

News of the Lloydminster incident was chillingly familiar to Bird.

He was jumped outside his bus by three youths after refusing to accept a stolen transfer ticket. He's had rocks thrown at his bus before and said exiting the bus to inspect the damage is a natural reaction.

"It's upsetting to hear about this. What's a driver to do? When you hear a noise like that you have to investigate. You might have hit something or the bus may be damaged so badly that driving it is unsafe."

Greyhound spokesman Anna Folmnsbee said she's never heard of a similar incident happening to a Greyhound driver. "I don't think there is any specific training for it. Exiting the bus is usually left to the discretion of the driver."
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Of COURCE!!!

The common problem is that we aren't recognizing their pain, their plight!!!

It's OUR FAULT, don't you see??

OK, give Dinesh partial credit but nowhere near enough to pass the course. His book outlines part of our problem which is an ascendent hedonism combined with a growing dependence on the welfare state. If this continues, we will be in the position of the Romans who were totally dependent on North African grain and water running from the aquaducts. Then, their opponents figured out how to interrupt both supplies. The City of Rome lost most of its population in a couple generations. The root cause was that they gave up their self-reliance and will to resist first. As Dinesh correctly illustrates, some of those problems are shared by us.

However, that is not the only problem. Flash forward about 500 years and there is a fight between the Franks and the Moors in central France. The Moors were there because they understood that the Koran required them to spread their version of "Truth" about Allah and Mohammid. Meanwhile, the equally pious Franks understood their own truth and were victorious in that battle. Another battle happened in eastern Europe about 900 years later between the Turks and the Austro Hungarian empire. Thanks to assistance from the Polish forces, the Christians won that battle, too. In both cases, the opposing forces were both pious, but one had more resolve than the other.

Another illustration of why this thing will tend to be ongoing came early in the history of the United States. The Barbary Pirates were in the habit of demanding tribute from the Infidels and the Europeans had been paying for years. Until the USMC paid them a visit and the tributes stopped. Our Declaration and Constitution both paid homage to the Creator, so it can be said that both sides were believers. That operation was one of extreme risk on our side to the extent that the expeditionary force could have perished in the desert. Another victory for resolve on our part. If we lose it, we will perish.

So, while Dr. D'Sousa may have described part of the problem, the other larger part lies in the intention of the Islamic Fanatics to reorder the planet on their terms and that has little to do with the level of secularism of their opponents.

Student (raising hand excitedly)"I do! I do!"

"The common problem is that Islam teaches its followers to commit first degree murder!!"

Teacher (Islamic):"That's correct! Now, go to the head of the class--over there in the corner and put on that dunce cap!"