An update on this story. "Stanford delays screening of anti-Semitic Turkish film," by Haviv Rettig for the Jerusalem Post:
The showing at Stanford University of Kurtlar Vadisi: Irak (Valley of the Wolves: Iraq), a Turkish box-office hit with characters including a homicidal American colonel and a Jewish doctor who sells Muslim prisoners' organs to the West, was postponed last weekend, apparently due to criticism about the movie's contents.
Previously described by Stanford's Continuing Education department Web site as "The Action Movie You Were Not Meant to See," the movie tells the fictional story of an elite Turkish paramilitary squad fighting against brutal, murderous American commandos in northern Iraq.
"An elite Turkish commando squad infiltrates the Kurdish region of US-occupied Iraq," read the event notice on the Stanford Web site. "What they find is too shocking to contemplate: Their supposed American allies engaged in murder, extortion, organ dealing, and more. Not in our name indeed."
The event promoters further noted the film's enormous popularity in Turkey - it is one of the highest-grossing films in Turkish history - along with its "great popularity in Europe and the Middle East."
The Web site further said the film "was due for a limited American release in December 2006, but was quietly dropped at the last minute after a letter from the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith to the film's US distributors objected to 'the incendiary anti-Jewish and anti-American themes and characters in the film.'
"As a service to the Stanford academic community at large, we offer you the chance to see this important film for yourself," read the Web site, promising movie-goers "non-stop screen action, intellectual stimulation, and real political controversy in one program! This is an event not to be missed."
The screening was cosponsored by the Middle East Collection of the Stanford University Libraries, The Abbasi Program in Islamic Studies and Stanford Continuing Studies.
The cancellation of the screening saw the event promotion replaced with a letter from Prof. Charles Junkerman, Dean of Continuing Studies. The film "has been seen by tens of millions of people across the Middle East, and we thought that an academic screening would provide the opportunity for interested viewers to see the movie themselves, and reach their own judgments about it," wrote Junkerman.
However, due to the fact that the film is "extraordinarily controversial," Junkerman continued, "we feel that this movie needs to be contextualized by points of view represented by a diverse spectrum of academic experts.
But, wrote Junkerman, "we have been unsuccessful in recruiting an appropriately broad panel. Because this film is likely to provoke intense emotions pro and con, we have decided that we cannot go forward without such a panel to ground the post-film conversation. We have consequently chosen to cancel Saturday's screening."
Though Junkerman wrote that the movie was canceled, Stanford's events Web site said it was only postponed. Relevant Stanford University officials could not be reached by press time.
"extraordinarily controversial,"
Why shud lies be controversial? Once again this shows the stupidity and absurdity of our friends in the Middle East. I hope Billy Zane and Gary Busey never get another acting gig.
Meanwhile, a country with a truly abysmal human rights record and also "harvests" organs from people executed by the state, suffers precious little censure but for the peaceful protests mounted by followers of the Falun Gong and some Tibetan Bhuddist ex-pats scattered around the world.
This, however, may slowly change, because, naturally, there are now members of China's Muslim minority who are now claiming oppression at the hands of Mao's successors.
Stanford's actions are called "duck and cover".
I know the arguments for and against this film - I've read the reports of cheering crowds etc, but I still think it should be screened.
It's a very popular film in the Middle East (and to the wider Muslim population) and I think it's entirely valid that we can see what they are watching and can critisise it openly.
The least we should do is debate its contents, and we can't do that unless we can all see it.
And I imagine reports of cheering muslim crowds in USA/UK cinemas won't go down to well with the general puplic.
and
OOOOOPS! Someone forgot to personally recruit (ahem, invite) the likes of Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Stephen Walt, John Mearsheimer, David Duke and members of Neturei Karta.
CANCELLED - yeah baby! . . .\(^o^)/
However, due to the fact that the film is "extraordinarily controversial," Junkerman continued, . . . ,
"Extraordinarily controversial" must be newspeak for "full of lies, distortions, and outright propaganda."
Why are Gary Busey and Billy Zane not up for treason in this time of declared war?
Imagine, if you would, American actors flying to Switzerland to star in nazi propaganda films in the middle of world war two. One would play a made-up psychotic American commander (like Zane) and the other would play an evil Jew doctor selling dead nazi body parts on the black market (like Busey).
Where has America gone? What has become of its institutions and its will to stand up? Will it not declare a traitor a traitor?
It would be a well-deserved short trip to the gallows for Gary Busey and Billy Zane in any other period of American history. When America was proud of its institutions and its hard-won freedom. Killing those who attacked its liberty and safety and armed forces, or empowered its enemies. But now, America just turns the other cheek and asks for another slap.
What did all those Americans of the past and present die for?
What madness is this?
I think what Junkerman is saying is that only the anti-Semitic, Islamofascist sponsers would be present, cheering against the evil Americans and bloodthirsty Jews.
Are there two sides to blood libel and outrageous lies to discuss on a panel?
I believe in free speech and find most offensive the patronizing attitude of "this movie needs to be contextualized by points of view represented by a diverse spectrum of academic experts"
Go 'contextualize' yourself a-hole. What happened to Americancs making up their own minds?
If crowds of morons want to cheer anti-semitic Der Sturmer fantasies let them. That will 'contextualize' the film enough for me.
I have faith in the power of We the People. Of course, some American idiots will always support those who would destroy them, but on the whole I think a screening of such things as this actually show people what we're up against. I would support a series of screenings in the academic setting.
I agree with Professor Junkerman on this.
Gosh, could we get this on a double bill with "International Gorillay", the one about heroic Muslims going after that Satanic monster Salman Rushdie?
Stanford should quit pussy-footing around and show the film. Muslims and leftists will love it.
Zane and Busey?, now there's a powerhouse team if I ever saw one.
Show this film to as many people as you can. Wait for responses by those in support of this film and it's content. Then stand back and watch what happens.
Slightly off topic, but nevertheless speaking of Turks, who said the Dutch were bucking the trend and defying Dhimmitude in Europe? Read this and weep:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6385463.stm
"This is one of the top grossing films in Turkey."
Further evidence that Turkey is not the country many in the west have tried to portray her as.
How many more examples of Turkey are needed for people to see they do not belong as a western partner.
I read a post last week where Cyprus for example was criticized for not signing the Kofi Anan peace plan. No one with a shred of sanity would have signed that plan if they were in the Greek Cypriot position. The plan left the borders as are, recognized Northern Cypress, gave territorial rights on the seaboard to Britain and last but not least Greek Cypriots who lost their property were to be compensated by their own government. Wow what a plan!
I don't know of any other people on earth that would have been given such a proposal and expected to sign. That's what you get when a Muslim (Anan) and the Brits get together to hash out a proposal.
I guess the Brits can't stand the thought of losing their property that they steal on a regular basis from the Greek Cypriots.
How many here know that property that is bought by Brits from Turks has been deemed legal in British courts, and that the Greek owners of these lands have been told to pound sand.
I know this is a little off topic but in the court case against the Greek Cypriots Tony Blair's wife was the defense lawyer. Yeah with friends like that who needs enemies?
the Finatic
How many here know that property that is bought by Brits from Turks has been deemed legal in British courts, and that the Greek owners of these lands have been told to pound sand.
the fanantic the question is do english care that they are buying greek Cypriot stolen property from Turks? no they dont The british hate Greek Cypriots and love muslims Turks infact the british have also persecuted Greek Cypriots with the turks when Cyprus was under the british Empire the british would hang young Greek Cypriot men and they also got turkish Cypriot police to toture greek Cypriot prisoners the british are liars and backstabbers they think they own the world. and i dont care what english people think EOKA where freedom fighters who fought against against the facist britsh empire and the turk barbarians
My family have property in north Cyprus which is currently illegally occupied by Turkish Settlers. we dont have any thats occupied under English but its true that cherie blair did defend a english couple in court who wanted to buy a greek Cypriot refugee home now in Cyprus theres a law anyone who buys a home in north cyprus that belongs to Greek Cypriot refugees will be charged
" . . . the movie tells the fictional story of an elite Turkish paramilitary squad fighting against brutal, murderous American commandos in northern Iraq."
wishful thinking on part of the Turks?
Or a portent of things to come.
The Kurdish option to put a spoke into the wheels of Turkish Islamic resurgence looks better all the time.
And for Heaven's sake, Europeans, keep the bloody Turks out of the EU!
The real irony of this movie is that the no fly zone in Northern Iraq was used as the Kurdish kill zone by the Turkish military.
After Desert Storm was over, the Turks led regular raids into Northern Iraq and did what Turks do better than anyone else, they ethnically cleansed the region as much as they could. Of course in the west we put our blinders on, and said "Wow isn't it great Turkey is secular."
Unfreakin believable.
Greek Gurl I just wanted to say I admire your passion, never let anyone push you around and keep fighting the good fight.
From a fellow Greek.
greek girl, the turks are not settlers, they are squatters
Regards.
But but, I thought it was okay to bash Christians and Jews? Maybe just Christians then? At least?
And why does TBN, the Trinity Broadcasting Network, one of the biggest Christian networks based in the USA with an international missionizing agenda and audience, continue to have Gary Busey on various programs? (TBN also in the past refused to support Hal Lindsey, who was on their staff as news anchor, when he criticized Islam, putting him in a position of feeling he had to resign in good conscience.)
lol againstfedup i mean't to say illegal turkish settlers but your right they are scum squatters
actually the turkish illegal settler who was in my dads old home did die a few years ago of old age but unfortunutly his sons use it as a second home they live in Turkey but they come to stay in the house when they are visiting Cyprus so its locked up
the_finatic the kofi annan plan worked in favour of the Turkish Cypriots. The UK and UN lied and tried to make it look like the greek Cypriots where to blame. Also because we voted no to the plan the UN is rewarding the illegal TRNC with aid why didnt the biased media tell the truth as to why Greeks voted NO? also the finatic your right that under the annan plan it said that the Greek Cypriots who didnt get there homes back from the Turk squatters would be compensated by the Greek Cypriot goverment which is unfair but lets say what if the turkish goverment did want to compensate Greek Cypriots for the homes that they stole from us we Greek Cypriots would still not except the money we want our land back our ancestral homes are not worth dirty Turkish/UN money
Greek Gurl you're absolutely right. I have to say though that what alarms me most here is that when issues arise regarding Turkey and Greece, I find overall the support isn't what we would hope.
There are many here that clearly care, but at times I must say I'm disappointed as it seems the more time goes by, the less the world changes. What I mean with that is that we have always been left to fight these guys alone, and the Turks have always had support, and I'm afraid this will never change.
The Jews on the other hand have had it tough, and at times worse than us, but overall they do have people who care and support their cause. I just can't help but feel we will never get that support no matter how bad it gets.
Greek Gurl, what I would like to add to my above post is that it is obvious that the way the western world conducts itself almost assures Islamic victory.
We have many potential partnerships that are never realized, we in the west are always divided, while our very dangerous enemy is fiercely united in their cause.
Sooner or later this will catch up to us. There definitely are many divisions in the Islamic world, but we do not exploit them. Somehow we always manage to muddle things, and forget that even amongst their divisions, hatred of the infidel's is far stronger than their divisions.
When will we find common ground against our enemies?
The finatic
your right we dont have the support we need. and we have always fought the turks alone but turkey has had powerful freinds in the west Greece needs to do it on its own.
Greece should forget about getting help from the us and uk they are only pro turk anyway and only want to help Turkey continue its illegal occupation so they can buy cheap homes in north Cyprus for when they retire. Greece should buy weapons and nuclear weapons from Russia and arm itself just like isreal arms itself with weapons it gets from america against the arabs if isreal which is a small country of 6 million people can win against 200 million arabs then Greece a country of 12 million people could defend itself from 75 million Turks if it had the same weapons as isreal does and Greece could get those weapons from Russia.
by the way finatic i heard during the cold war that america put nukes in turkey to point against russia thats what caused the cuban missle crises i am not sure though if those nukes are still there or if america removed them do oyuk now if they are still there or not ?
Greek Gurl quite honestly I've never heard that before, and hope that it is nothing but a rumor.
That thought alone makes me quiver, and you're right Greece should buy nukes from Russia. This is a matter of self defense, and we will never get western support, that has been proven far too many times. What would make us think any different now.
Case in point, Britain and Greece are EU members, one would think that might carry some weight. But everywhere you look Britain takes the side of Turkey even though they aren't a member. Imagine the concessions we will be expected to make if Britain gets its way and Turkey becomes a member?
I don't even want to think about it.
Greek Gurl here is a link I found from a quick search. I don't know the site or its reliability, but it does say there are 90 nukes on Turkish soil, and that these nukes are in American control.
If so get them out fast, because I hate to see what potential problems could arise in the future.
http://www.bianet.org/2006/06/01_eng/news80433.htm
the finatic i just read that site it seems Turkey does have 90 nuclear missles but they are under US control in Turkey
what would happen if Turkey took control of those nuclear missles and kicked the americans in that base where the nuclear missles our out of Turkey? its scary to think about.
thats very hypocritcal of the usa to put nukes inside turkey and leave them there and then complain about russia helping iran build its nuclear power plant. but the question is why is the usa leaving the missles there ? why wont it take the missles out of Turkey if the cold war is over?
i have come to 2 conclusions that the reason that usa and UK are helping Turkey against Greece is that they are anti christian Orthodox or it benefits them to have islam get rid of christianity in the middle east and eastern europe so the usa and uk can keep those countrys backwards and use muslims as there puppets to give them the resources of those countrys to the uk and usa and in return usa and uk let them have islam in that country and allow them to get rid of christians
Greek Gurl, I try hard not to view things through the conspiracy eyes, but you may be right.
I hope that's not the case, but you really never know.
the fanatic i dont view this as conspiracy to me its a fact of what really seems to be happening take the war in iraq for example it seems christians have been driven out of iraq i asked a iraq christian freind about this and he told me its what the americans and british wanted they didnt want iraq to be christian because then iraq would be a Educated country and hard for them to control so they have put a iraqi islamic goverment in iraq so iraq stays backwards and in that way it benefits america for them to control and even in the past when iraq was under the british empire the british stood back and did nothing as assyrians christians where massacred by turks and kurds
also when Greece was fighting for its war of independence against the ottoman empire greece did it alone no one helped Greece but when the Arabs where fighting independence from the ottoman empire the British fought side by side with the arabs for example lawrence of arabia was a hero to the arabs who helped them fight the turks my point is the british helped other muslims who where being oppressed by the turks but they didnt help greeks or assyrians or christians who where being massacred by the turks
Greek Gurl I don't disagree when it comes to seeing the double standards of who the Brits and US support. I just sometimes am not entirely sure why they do it.
Is it for control on resources, because it looks harder and harder to deal with ass backward psycho killers. I think it may be that some alliances just die hard.
I'm sure there isn't an easy answer and it's probably a collection of reasons that they do it. You are right in one regard though, the Brits traditionally have become a society of parasites that made alliances with savages so they can buy up other peoples property, steal other people's antiquities, and try and snake in on any body's property they can by dealing with thieves.
The irony of this is that the parasites are now being eaten alive by their perceived hosts.
yes the finatic i agree with you on that but unfortunatley the brits still seem to support there perceived host against christians i guess what goes around comes arounds