Sunni/Shi'ite Jihad coming soon to a city near you. Doesn't it occur to anyone who reads stories like this that it might not be a good idea to import this problem? Maybe immigration policies need a review? Or is the fog that grips Washington just too thick for that?
From UPI, with thanks to Doc Washburn:
DEARBORN, MI, United States (UPI) -- Tensions between Shiite and Sunni Muslims in Iraq are echoing in Dearborn, Mich., and other communities.'The Shiites were very happy that they killed Saddam (Hussein), but the Sunnis were in tears,' Aqeel Al-Tamimi, a Shiite Iraqi immigrant in Dearborn, told The New York Times. 'These people look at us like we sold our country to America.'
Dearborn`s Shiite mosques have had their windows shattered twice recently, the newspaper reported. Members of the Shiite community blamed the Sunni Muslims.
Civil War in Dearborn?!?! Oh my!
As we've seen in both Iraq and Gaza, efforts to maintain peace between hate groups only result in warring cousins finding a common cause in the destruction of neighboring infidels.
These factions should indeed be the number one U.S. export. Now we know what "Brown" can do for us.
-XRDC
Muslim immigration is an enormous disaster for America. The answer from my Representative concerns "the importance of not making the War on Terror a War on Islam."
Even a return to the pre-1960s immigration law would not suffice (though it might be better) because of the growing Islamic colonization of Europe; and because the United States benefits from the influx of people from previously exotic places like Hong Kong.
Great!!! Bloody Disgusting
This just proves that Muslims will be barabric creatures who cannot become civilised even if they live in a civilised environment.
Their true colors just come out sooner or later.
What now???? Is it just matter of time before they vent their anger with guns and bombs here also.
No other religion has shown this kind of ungreatfulness or lack of integration qualities.
The Chinese ,the Indian hindus ,the jews come here and if they have their differnces back home,atleast they do not show it in their adpoted country in this manner.They adapt and they assimilate and contribute to the society,the culture and the economy.
Muslims also show their culture. But for them it is culture of intolerance,the culture of hate and violence and the culture of ungreatfulness.
I think Muslim immigration should be banned everywhere. Lets other peaceful religions migrate.
Call it racism if you want and me racist if anyone wants because I am not racist , just logical and see things as they are.
Can we put a wall around Dearbornistan?
As I recall there were and may still be restrictions on immigration by Communists. So why should Islam be any different? I'll take a Communist immigrant over a Muslim anytime.
Yes, and if we are all lucky, Detroit or Dearborn could start to look like Paliland, and then we will all be happy to live is bullet-ridden slums, singing allahu-akbar at the top of our lungs...
Right.
In a parallel universe, maybe...
And this issue embraces more than the fate of these United States. It presents to the whole family of man the question whether a constitutional republic or democracy — a government of the people by the same people — can or cannot maintain its territorial integrity against its own domestic foes.
and you guys criticise europe for being dhimmi! what's gonna take you patriotic men to really go grab your guns to defend your families as you keep stating? you got hit badly in 9/11, you have a congressman sworn in on the koran and you have the democrats ready to concede the war against wahabbism.
so you gonna act after a nuke goes off in downtown manhattan? or wait til a 2nd one goes off? i'm just curious.
Assalamau Laikum all,
Peoples ...please do not panic...Dearborn (a very poiginant name for new wuslims coming into the world there), think in context....this was bound to happen...but it will blow over.
I mean think about the tensions that your own communties raised against the red indians when they annilated your home grown hero General custer and his men of drunkards.
It happened...then it blew over...the same will happen here...their hero has been zeroed....go back home ...nothing happening here.
"Jihad coming soon to a city near you"
It's a matter of time. There are sufficient numbers of muslims embedded in western nations now and the fuse will soon be lit. As we know from recent events, it takes nothing more than a silly cartoon to light that fuse. The jihadists also have the SILENT support of the "moderates". Be warned, that support won't always remain silent. Insurgency within all the western nations will ignite the world with hot spots all over, uncontrollable to handle to a point where that's all we do is deal with security issues. There will be no time for fighting jihad in Iraq, Afghanistan or anwhere else and for that the Liberals will be happy.
Are we too late already?
All this worry about Dearborn becoming a bombed-out, bullet-ridden 3rd world slum is pretty rich referring as it does to a suburb of Detroit, much of which is already a bombed-out, burnt-out slum and has been for over 30 years. Virtually every large northern American city is much the same: New York, Baltimore, St Louis, Chicago, to name a few. I could take you thru parts of my home town, where for block after block only the streets, sidewalks, and weeds remain where there was once block after block of houses and small businesses. Go to Terra-server and look at the aerial photos. It's pretty easy to spot the vacant lots.
Asslamau Laikum ebonystone,
Your description resembles parts of Kabul, or Waristan or Bagdad. I thought the Amerike was a land of Milk and honey (and sea water in New Orleans).
I cannot believe what I am reading? It seems even in America the muslims are "funnelled" into the slum areas and then blamed for rising tensions.
Who could have guessed that eh?
Naseem, I don't think we are the ones "funneling" Muslims into the slums. I believe many Muslims automatically gravitate towards the slums because it feels like home.
In regard to immigration, what is needed is a change in the law. The argument would be that the American "lifeboat" is full and cannot take in many more. A new limit would be 10 immigrants for each million of a country's population, based on its 2000 population as compiled by the U.S. Census Bureau. Thus, the Ukraine, with 47 million would be allowed 470/year; Mozambique with 20 million, 200/yr, etc. With a world population of roughly 6000 million, that's 60,000/yr total. This would be objective and fair. No one could reasonably claim it was racist or bigoted.
A few suggested details: (1) first-come, first-served; no preference for uniting families or "sponsoring" someone; (2) no stock-piling of unused slots -- if only 150 came from Mozambique in a given year, the 50 unused slots would be lost; (3) the quotas would remain based on the 2000 census figures so that countries with rapidly growing populations would not have their allotments raised; (4) to eliminate the use of countries like Canada from being used as "lands of transit", the rules would specify the country of one's birth as the one from which one was emigrating. Thus imagine the Khan family in Canada: the children, born in Canada, would count against the Canadian quota, but the parents, born in Pakistan, would count against the Pakistani one.
Enforcement. Bring the forces home from Iraq, the Persian Gulf, and elsewhere (like Korea) and station them as guards on the Mexican border and as Coast Guard reinforcements in Florida. Then they could be protecting their own country instead of someone else's. Some National Guard contingents from the border states could also be called up to protect their states's borders.
martdod-
Don't misunderstand Naseem. "It" (he/she?) is referring to how the U.S. gov't does not properly pay the jizya and provide subsidized housing for them in upscale neighborhoods.
-XRDC
"I mean think about the tensions that your own communties raised against the red indians when they annilated your home grown hero General custer and his men of drunkards."
Naseem, you might at least get your facts straight before you post your nonsense.
Custer was a lieutenant-colonel at the time of the Little Big Horn battle. He did not drink and did not tolerate drunkenness in his troops.
As to your "it will all blow over" drivel: Get thee hence and hiss elsewhere, snake.
I cannot believe what I am reading? It seems even in America the muslims are "funnelled" into the slum areas and then blamed for rising tensions.
Naseem
Sorry to burst your bubble but...
The median income for the average Muslim in the US is higher than the median income for Americans born in the U.S.
And peace and prosperity unto you, Naseem
Gee, a response to my humble posting by the legendary Naseem; I am honored.
Seriously, my point was that the U.S. already has enough of its own, home-grown, bombed-out slums. It is insanity for it to create another layer of the same by followlng the present immigration laws. As for "funneling", note that the moslems did not settle into the slums of Detroit, but into the once pleasant suburb on Dearborn. And note that Detroit itself was once a pleasant, prosperous city; until enough of its inhabitants decided they preferred a burnt-out slum, and made it into one. Maybe the moslems of Dearborn will have the sense not to follow Detroit's example.
Naseem says...
"I mean think about the tensions that your own communties raised against the red indians when they annilated your home grown hero General custer and his men of drunkards."
Nothing like a history lesson from Naseem to leave out all the other facts. Naseem what happened after Custer lost to the Lakota/Sioux. Did the Lakota win the war? Not a good anology if your supposed "wuslims" are going to take over AmericaTM.
I mean ending up on a reservation does not sound like a victory to me. Of course Naseem should know she lives in one right now called "Pakistan".
"What about the red-indians?"....."you bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki"....
Those are stock arguments from muslims trying to establish some sort of blame game. You know...you are worse than muslims. Yes, the muslim hordes were never guilty of killing masses of people.
/what a joke
USBeast
You beat me too it! Oh Well...Naseem this is what we Americans are going to do to your "wuslims". Sing along! Lets sing the un-official song of the Custer and his 7th Cav....shall we...
Garry Owen
Let Bacchus' sons be not dismayed
But join with me, each jovial blade
Come, drink and sing and lend your aid
To help me with the chorus:
Chorus
Instead of spa, we'll drink brown ale
And pay the reckoning on the nail;
No man for debt shall go to jail
From Garryowen in glory.
We'll beat the bailiffs out of fun,
We'll make the mayor and sheriffs run
We are the boys no man dares dun
If he regards a whole skin.
Chorus
Our hearts so stout have got no fame
For soon 'tis known from whence we came
Where'er we go they fear the name
Of Garryowen in glory.
Chorus
Assalamau Laikum greatcomet,
Like you say Garryowen was the 7th Cavalry Regimental marching song. It was derived from an old Irish drinking song, and might have been suggested to Gen. Custer by one of his "melting pot" Irish soldiers...leading to te obvious conclusion that he and they liked their drink.
Anyways, his song didn't really do him much good at Little Big Horn did it?
After Custer's majestic annialation subsequent campaigns of 1876, troopers of the 5th Regiment rode after the Sioux to avenge the death of their comrades. Sitting Bull was pursued into Canada, Crazy Horse and the Cheyennes traveled about, comparatively undisturbed.
In July 1877, he was finally prevailed upon to come to Fort Robinson, Nebraska on the distinct understanding that the government would hear and adjust their grievances, most of which are still unresolved today. The indians were a once proud race reduced to drinking firewater in reservations while you have basked in glory for putting him there.
Where was/is the common understanding, and it could be the same for the wuslim...but there is one BIG difference. We are the chosen we have Allah SWT on our side.
This is what the Amerike do...leave things unresolved to their satisfaction. The same will happen in Iraq...troops will pull out ...as they will inevitably have to, leaving Sunni/Shia at it....
Ebony says "the U.S. already has enough of its own, home-grown, bombed-out slums. It is insanity for it to create another layer of the same by followlng the present immigration laws".
So get the wuslims outta there and give them somewhere decent to live. Why not build a model muslim town...away from Montana where it is roumoured the new Israel will be...see if that works?
"and you guys criticise europe for being dhimmi! what's gonna take you patriotic men to really go grab your guns to defend your families as you keep stating? you got hit badly in 9/11, you have a congressman sworn in on the koran and you have the democrats ready to concede the war against wahabbism.
so you gonna act after a nuke goes off in downtown manhattan? or wait til a 2nd one goes off? i'm just curious."
believe me I am wondering the same thing. i don't know what kind of madness has gripped our country when we have congressmen being sworn in on the Koran, The DMC being prayed over by a radical imam, a Georgia mayor converting to islam, and even one of our presidential nominees, Barack Hussein Obama, attended a muslim school as a child. He says he's Christian now but thats just too close for comfort for me. our politicians care only about votes, and now that theres such a large Muslim voting block you can bet they will be catering to it. It sickens me. I am terrified for the future of my country and Britain, Australia, Denmark and Sweden as well.
Naseem you said:
"So get the wuslims outta there and give them somewhere decent to live. Why not build a model muslim town...away from Montana where it is roumoured the new Israel will be...see if that works?"
Excuse me? "Give them somewhere decent to live" give us all a break Naseem why on earth should we "give" the Muslims anything? If you come to the U.S. or any other country it is up to the individual to make a better life for themselves. All the tools and freedoms are here to make that so. Whether Muslims or anyone else decide to use those tools and freedoms and make life better for themselves is up to them. But is not up to anybody in this country or any other country to "give" anybody anything! A good life is earned not given away!
Maybe the Muslims should build the "model Muslim town" as you suggest and show the world they have something to offer besides death, destruction, intolerance, and sorrow.
Immigrants, not Americans or any other nationality MUST ADAPT! Take it or leave it.
By Naseem...
"Where was/is the common understanding, and it could be the same for the wuslim...but there is one BIG difference. We are the chosen we have Allah SWT on our side."
Well I am impressed!!!!
How many times have men said this before battle?
Naseem why does god allow us to have all this technology and science and yet your people are always 10 steps behind? Perhaps god likes us more!
Don't be so jealous! Just renounce the cult of Mo and and you will see the light. Take off that burka and step into the light! (Of course I would advise you to leave Pakistan before doing that....your fellow cult members might kill you).
Can we put a wall around Dearbornistan?
Posted by: TheOmegaMan
Give them 10 years and they'll be claiming that they are the rightful heirs of dearborn....backed up by the ignorant lefty-media of course.
They'll call themselves 'dearbornstinians' and build mosques over top of all the other religious sites.
Then they'll start sending rockets and homicide bombers to Detroit.
"So get the wuslims outta there and give them somewhere decent to live. Why not build a model muslim town...away from Montana where it is roumoured the new Israel will be...see if that works?"
You are right!!!! Dam I have a vision! I have just found a good use for Antarctica! Lets get the Kaaba and stick it on the South Pole. It is a pure place free of all us non-muslims making life so hard!
On the bottom of the earth....
:)
Naseem, don't be so stupid. Muslims move to where other Muslims are. They then build Islamic shops with Islamic signs, wear their black sheets and preach their hate.
They are not interested in integration, which is why they do not integrate. They WANT to be together.
The reason the areas become slums is because no body wants to live next to terrorists. When people move away, the area further goes downhill.
If they were decent, law-abiding citizens, being respectful to others and trying to be AMERICANS, they would not have the problems they have.
P.S. Sparkbrook Birmingham is a good example.
It has REALLY gone down the toilet.
By Naseem...
"Where was/is the common understanding, and it could be the same for the wuslim...but there is one BIG difference. We are the chosen we have Allah SWT on our side."
Yeah and when all your armies surrounded Israel and tried to destroy it, the Jews(who worship the GOD of the Bible) destroyed muslim forces.
Hmmmmmmmm maybe that's because allah cannot and will never defeat the ONLY REAL God. Satan lost the battle a long time ago.....but he's still using stupid people to wage war against God's people.
We are the chosen we have allah (swt) on our side.... Naseem
God heard the embattled nations shout and sing.
Gott strafe Englund!; God Save the King!
God this, God that, and God the other thing...
"My God," said God, "I've got my work cut out..."
MP
Just because horrible things have been done in the name of God, does not mean that God okayed them. Many things were done in the name of Christianity that were anything BUT what Jesus taught....usually caused by 'religious' leadership - lusting for power and control of the common folk.
The history of the Israelites, from Exodus to Kings, contains many examples of false gods, and the consequences of worshipping them. The golden calf. The utter destruction of the false gods of Jericho and Canaan. The temptations of the false gods of Babylon....where allah comes from (the moon god).
The desecration of the Temple by Antiochus Epiphanes during the Maccabean period. Throughout history, the Israelites differentiated themselves as a culture from the Gentiles through steadfast worship of one God. Christians also worship this same God.
So, just because mankind is stupid enough to invent false gods (to suit their sins), does not mean that there is not a REAL God or that you should use it as an excuse to dismiss God.
Maybe mankind falls for the lie of the false god because he so much does NOT want to submit to the God that created him.
...a Shiite Iraqi immigrant in Dearborn, told The New York Times. 'These people look at us like we sold our country to America.' (from above)
Look at the wording of this guy's sentence. Even though he is an immigrant to the United States he continues to speak of "our country" as something apart from America which he is now supposed to be ostensibly a part of. This is another indication that muslims cannot be loyal to the United States or any other country or government apart from their standard idea of a crazy, Islamic state. Allowing them to come here was a horrible idea. Allowing them to stay now is an even worse one.
Cherish your arms, and your right to bear them.
Cherish your arms, and your right to bear them.
Posted by: DCWatson at February 5, 2007 02:47 PM
I have a feeling we will be needing them soon.
"Look at the wording of this guy's sentence. Even though he is an immigrant to the United States he continues to speak of "our country" as something apart from America which he is now supposed to be ostensibly a part of"..... posted by A.I. Steamroller
WELL SPOTTED!
LOL, "Naseem" teaches American History! How funny!
What I can't understand is since the Muslims love their religion so much, why do they leave their Islamic countries of origin?
A lesson about Metro Detroit crime:
Almost 100% of the violence in Detroit is what's termed 'black on black crime.' It's a Detroit problem that keeps people in the suburbs where that kind of crime is NOT a problem.
As for Muslim violence in Dearborn- I doubt most residents could care less about 'Muslim on Muslim crime' as long as it doesn't spill into their neighborhood or their street. Just like they really don't care about the crime demographics in Detroit.
Have you ever passed by a muslim? the smell is unbearable. Do you clean your armpits nasperm or you smell bad than a truck driver?
Posted by: StillFedUp at February 5, 2007 03:11 PM
That's exactly what I said! Even somebody posting on this site criticized me for daring to point that out. LOL! I told you so.
At least Walmart won't attack you if they move into your neighborhood....
People complain more about Walmart, than they do Muslims...go figure...
Cherish your arms, and your right to bear them.
Posted by: DCWatson at February 5, 2007 02:47 PM
Well said! And if that's what it takes...then so be it.
Goobs - The poem I quoted above, written by an Englishman during WWI, does not reject religion, but rather is critical of the very human desire to cloak all of our actions as having the explicit approval of God. This would seem to be an important distinction, and is in complete agreement witht the first sentence of your comment. That being said, the nature of the Deity is mysterious and moot for many of us.
You beat me too it! Oh Well...Naseem this is what we Americans are going to do to your "wuslims". Sing along! Lets sing the un-official song of the Custer and his 7th Cav....shall we...
Garry Owen
Let Bacchus' sons be not dismayed
But join with me, each jovial blade
Come, drink and sing and lend your aid
To help me with the chorus:
Chorus
Instead of spa, we'll drink brown ale
And pay the reckoning on the nail;
No man for debt shall go to jail
From Garryowen in glory.
We'll beat the bailiffs out of fun,
We'll make the mayor and sheriffs run
We are the boys no man dares dun
If he regards a whole skin.
Chorus
Our hearts so stout have got no fame
For soon 'tis known from whence we came
Where'er we go they fear the name
Of Garryowen in glory.
Chorus
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at February 5, 2007 11:03 AM
greatcomet,
I am singing along with you. A great song for great Americans! :)
Come on, Goobs! Sing a round of "Gary Owen" with us! :)
Ohhhhhhhh......... Okay! ha ha
sorry to keep harping on with this, i do respect everyone on here but
"Cherish your arms, and your right to bear them.
Posted by: DCWatson at February 5, 2007 02:47 PM
Well said! And if that's what it takes...then so be it."
my point is, many US bloggers reiterate the same scenario that they will bear arms and use them when things get bad.. but my question has always been, when are you gonna use them and how? your country has already witnessed the most devestating and horrific terror attacks, this world has seen in recent modern times, yet there were no mass riots by americans, no mass mosque bombings (apart from afganistan and iraq) nor where there mass boycotting of islamic schools etc. is it just bravado talk or will you really do something about it?
thanks for your time.
Detroit is a hell hole. Reminds me of a whore on crack there now.
"No one could reasonably claim it was racist or bigoted."
yep, that's all that really matters! Jump hoops, skip rope, and flip burgers. but dont dare be called that! heaven forbid!
"The indians were a once proud race reduced to drinking firewater in reservations while you have basked in glory for putting him there."
America, like all other nations throughout history was won by qonquest. The "red indians" lost. So sorry.
That must be the odor of sanctity that you're smelling.
leonthepigfarmer,
I believe the answer to the question you raise;as to the realistic American response in the event of an cataclysmic attack, is as varied and regionally exclusive as the nation itself. Sure some would desire to engage in vigilante activites. The majority of Yanks are just happy to currently possess the legal and individual freedom/capacity to make one think twice about urban warfare. That being said, a mass response would probably be unlikely,as most would just want to draw the line at defending one's family. Fragmentation will always be the goal of the U.S. enemies,because the U.S. is acturally a nation of nations.
"my point is, many US bloggers reiterate the same scenario that they will bear arms and use them when things get bad.. but my question has always been, when are you gonna use them and how? your country has already witnessed the most devestating and horrific terror attacks, this world has seen in recent modern times, yet there were no mass riots by americans, no mass mosque bombings (apart from afganistan and iraq) nor where there mass boycotting of islamic schools etc. is it just bravado talk or will you really do something about it?"
No "mass riots", "no mass mosque bombings"; of course not. That's not the way we do things. We in America are conditioned to believe that our enemies come from without. Almost within seconds of the 9/11 attacks the word went out that it was the fault of a small group of foreign terrorists. Muslims in this country were patted on the head and told: "Don't worry. We know you're just as American as the rest of us."
In short, we're suckers. We've had it hammered into our heads that we are the bullies, the "Great Satan", the "Ugly American". If someone has attacked us it's because of something we did, some mistake we made and, if we can just talk it over, we can make it right. We believe this because we can't conceive of a mindset that can believe otherwise, and we really want to believe that we're dealing with "a small group of fanatics".
In short, we're suckers...but not all of us...and not forever.
thank you g c scott and usbeast, thats helped me a great deal. i actually posted a similar question on another post, so everyone forgive my repetition.
"to make one think twice about urban warfare", this seems to be true, i believe thats why you dont have the open agression that most muslims in europe have towards whites and non muslims in general as you do here in the USA.
i've lived near some predominantely muslim neighbourhoods in london and it's not pleasant, the youth are really militant and agressive.
but the sad state of affairs was the british police actually going out of their way to protect the islamic community after those fuckers blew up innocent commuters going to work in the morning. please excuse my language but i have no other words to express my hatred for these people. the police even escorted little old muslim men to the mosque each day, whilst innocent secretaries had limbs amputated in hospital days after the massacre.
yet we british just seem contented with this status quo, and live in fear of being branded a racist or god forbid, an "islamophobe".
can we borrow some of your guns?
Hang in there leonthepigfarmer, if it gets really bad we may just have to crank up a few of those transatlantic "supply" runs like the old days,LoL! Although now, instead of U-boats, the enemy will be those within our mutural western societies, who would subvert not only the very act of self-perservation, but any hope of maintaining and passing on those contributions (we all can locate some if we really try) of Western Civilization which have molded the world for the better. Which incidently,as contributions go, have nothing in common with islam. I haven't done London since '97,but I can remember a certain stench of muslimma supremism once around the Camden area.
Sunni, Shi'ite--both are our enemies. Take no sides, get 'em both outta here. the sooner, the better. How? Think outside the box.
When it will come to them or us . . .
the choice will not be so difficult to make then.
Naseems this is for you, mechanics in my area are now refusing to work on paki trucks, as pakis truckers put a hole in the floor of their truck to pee while driving, and the stench is unbearable to the mechanics to work on. so it seems you pakis know how to stink up a place real fast, and that is why you are not wanted anywhere. why do pakis leave their perfect homeland, the land of pure islam/ because islam creates poverty and festers where ever it settles.
Assalamau Laikum Zena,
I trust you are well...certainly your "piss on muslims" mentality seems to be working just fine.
I cannot belive such disgusting remarks and I have never in 25 year of living in Pak come across such behaviour.
Why would someone do that...thay have to drive the truck and stay in there for long periods, why would anybody put up with that.
I think instead that YOU were PISSED when you wrote this sarcastic non-comment.
Mr. Spencer,
Are you implying, by your statement:
"Doesn't it occur to anyone who reads stories like this that it might not be a good idea to import this problem? Maybe immigration policies need a review?"
that YOU, the authority on Islam, are finally willing to advocate a restriction of Muslim immigration to America? It would be a first for you.