Evidently it would be the decent thing to do just to allow them to nuke Israel. "Fears grow over Iran," by Tom Baldwin and Philip Webster in the TimesOnline, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Tony Blair has declared himself at odds with hawks in the US Administration by saying publicly for the first time that it would be wrong to take military action against Iran. The Prime Minister’s comments came hours before the UN’s nuclear watchdog raised the stakes in the West’s showdown with Tehran.[...]
Condoleeza Rice, the Secretary of State, is also opposed to using force, while Steve Hadley, the President’s National Security Adviser, is said to be deeply sceptical.
The hawks are led by Dick Cheney, the Vice-President, who is urging Mr Bush to keep the military option “on the table”. He is also pressing the Pentagon to examine specific war plans — including, it is rumoured, covert action.
But Mr Blair, in a BBC interview yesterday, said: “I can’t think that it would be right to take military action against Iran . . . What is important is to pursue the political, diplomatic channel. I think it is the only way that we are going to get a sensible solution to the Iranian issue.”
"What is important is to pursue the political, diplomatic channel."
.....this tactic certainly has proved effective....hmmmmm....
". . . What is important is to pursue the political, diplomatic channel. I think it is the only way that we are going to get a sensible solution to the Iranian issue.”
Translation: "Okay Mr. Bush. I've run the gauntlet politically thus far to ensure my status as a 'good ally' to America, but enough is enough. Iran is your problem. Can't take it anymore-must...cave...in...."
Blair's Europwienness is coming through, and he cannot take the pressure from the libs at home.
Unless he is performing the Good Cop, and Bush/Cheney the bad Cops routine. You would think with all the histroy of Hitler, Stalin, European leaders would understand that the little monkey man from Iran is cut from the same cloth, and you cannot trust him, and you need to understand when he says he will take Israel off the face of the map, European cities are next in line.
Tony Blair hasn't quite recovered from the "dodgy dossier" taunts, the "going to war on a lie" accusations and the "Bush's poodle" jibes. As he will soon be leaving office (or so he says), he doesn't want to get embroiled in another unpopular conflict which would further tarnish his image - and his saleability.
After all, he's hoping to make some serious cash from lecture tours, book deals etc.
So Ms. Rice is against using force.----Golly Gee, what a surprise!
If you study Imaminijihad's speeches, he says that he is going to SAY he wants to negotiate but dont be confused, he says, we are going ahead at break-neck speed to develope a nuke. Yassa Hairyfat did the same thing, proclaiming a desire for peace but letting the homicide bombing in Israel go on. These speeches are usually done when the MSM is not in attendance.
In an ideal world, sanctions work perfectly every time. Wake up and smell the French Vanilla qahveh or caffe'.
I saw a cartoon of a man with U.N. on the front of his shirt kneeling in front of Imanutjob saying,"What ever you do dont step across THIS line". Nutjob was there with his feet on the line. Right behind him stretched a long line of dozens of lines he had already crossed. He had a big smile on his face that looked like he was thinking "Can you believe this fool is drawing ANOTHER line in the sand"!
Where is the political machine cranking out UK's victory in Iraq effort? Blair's recent pallor wreaks of a weakened man who will be viewed as squandering the blood of England's sons despite bringing stability.
As stated above by exsgtbrown, to keep repeating the same exact experiment and expecting a different result is pure suicidal insanity.
Wrong thing to say Tony
The right thing is to say nothing or say that "the military option" is still on the table (even if it is a bluff). Keep the pressure on Iran, at maximum. You could arrange Naval exercises off Iran's coast.
The free world should exercise all kinds of options to pressure Iran : Diplomatically, Militarily, Economically. Even exploit the fact that there are many minorities within Iran with grievances.
Everyone else here:
The problem that all politican's have is they are beholden to their power base. Say the wrong thing and their power base shrinks. That is true for Bush and Blair. Blair is not socialist in the old sense of the word, but plenty of Labour are.
Blair is trying to ride many horses simultaneously, trying to keep "old Labour" on board.
Maybe this is just to unsettle iran, its what they do by saying one thing then another and another.
Perhaps its the UK/US good cop bad cop routine.
Tony blair will phone mahmoud and say "Oh he'll do it, that bush, hes crazy, you better do what he says , once he starts I cant stop him."
I wonder whether Blair would be making such irenic noises if he didn't think it likely that Israel and/or the U.S. would use force against Iran. This way, when the dust settles, the mullocracy is gone, and the world is a lot safer, he can truthfully say he had opposed the death-dealing but at the same time feel happy with the outcome. From the socialists' POV, that's win-win.
This is a difficult situation to come to a conclusion about.
On the one hand we have Ahmadinejad who wants to start a war (with his Mahdi fantasies) and he'll either nuke Israel first or someone will nuke him cause he's on the way to building nukes (to nuke Israel wih), either option will open the flood gates and he'll get his war.
And on the other we have a country where there are alot of good people and there is a sizable secular muslim population.
I think the course of action has to be to subvert Ahmadinejad from within Iran by actively supporting the 'secular / democracy' movement - which I think is mainly in the South. Possibly the recent car bombing was/is the start of scale up actions.
That being said, we always have to keep the military option on the table but realise that if used Ahmadinejad effectively wins.
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There was an interesting documentary on Channel 4 last night called 'Once upon a time in Iran'. It was an interesting watch and highlighted the fact that they really hate the British! I heard that they still think the Brits control everything and
get the US to do their bidding.
It also highlighted the fact that they are as independant/partisan as the Iraqis and I think any US/UK ground force would NOT find any support from any section of the Iranian population - they want to sort their own problems out.
So perhaps we should let them, by supporting their own internal anti-Ahmadinejads .
Blair:
“I can’t think that it would be right to take military action against Iran . . . What is important is to pursue the political, diplomatic channel. I think it is the only way that we are going to get a sensible solution to the Iranian issue.”
Someone is turning over right about now...
He looked at foreign affairs through the wrong end of a municipal drainpipe - Churchill
At the depths of that dusty soul there is nothing but abject surrender - Churchill
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last - Churchill
-XRDC
At best, it is geopolitics to diss the inevitable.
Tony, pussywhipped, has been sleeping with the enemy for too long.
Turn him over, he's done.
This sounds like---"I voted for the war and then I voted against it"
LOL
Blair used to have quite a fan club in this country. Why, he was practically Winston Churchill for some. Others, who knew him when, and observed his awfulness at home, were not quite so willing to be impressed with his ability to put a few sentences together that seemed, by comparison with our own semi-demented President, for whom individual words prove to be difficult tongue-twisters, and logical thought impossible.
For fun, consult the compendium of Blair's remarks on Islam -- the "great religion" and the Qur'an that Blair found so "impressive" and carried around, he said, with him -- it can be found on-line, or in the book by Rory Stewart about his travels by foot in Afghanistan.
Blair's latest claim is that the war against the "Islamists" or "the terrorists" will last perhaps as long as "30 or 40 years." That is as revealingly idiotic a remark as that by the crazed Cheney, that True Believer in Tarbaby Iraq and the "mission" there, who thinks that the "war against the terrorists" could last a "generation or two."
Are they both crazy? Do they not understand that this war goes on forever? That the duty of Jihad continues forever, and has no sell-by date, and that the only sensible thing is to husband resources, engage in every way in the mass edudation of Infidels, deprive Muslim states and polities of every assistance beginnning with the outrage of Jizyah (in Americdan aid alone, that $60 billion so far to Egypt, that $27.5 billion to Pakistan over the past five years, those billions spent on the Fast-and-slow Jihadists of the "Palestinian" people, and then more to Jordan, and more to Indonesia and Bangladesh, and then of course the $750 billion spent or committed at this point to Iraq, and that doens't even include the nearly $100 billion in debt relief from Infidel lands to Iraq that James Baker arranged, though not a single Muslim state agreed to drop its claims as a creditor on Iraq).
And everywhere, efficiently, to deprive Muslm states of major weaponry, and if they are sold Western weaponry, to make sure such weaponry's use can be controlled, by Western computers, wherever possible (pre-sabotaged by the smiling sellers to the eager buyers).
Finally, a populace that has been educated will demand not only a complete halt to Muslim migration, based on the impossibility of ever distinguishing the true "momderate" (i.e., bad or unobservant or Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslim) from the other kind, and since too many, for various reasons, start out as, or under the pressure of living in the West tend to become, that "other kind" -- the Immoderate Muslim -- it will not only be necessary to halt Muslim migration but to reverse it, keeping in mind what the advanced, and tolerant state of Czechoslovakia felt it had to do, for its own security, after World War II. This is owed, if not to some unworthy present, than to the Past, and the civilizational legacy left by people -- Shakespeare and Spinoza and Dante and Samuel Johnson and George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and John Quincy Adams, Clouet and Balthus and Jules Ferry and Jean Jaures and Raymond Aron (fill in another Ten Thousand Names here) who would not be happy to find that the Western world had succumbed, purely through sentimentalism and wilful ignorance and being beaten at the game of procreation, seen by Muslims as a weapon to islmamize the world, to this awful belief-system in which not one of these people could have been produced, or survived, for one minute.
Blair does not feel this possible lost keenly. He does not grasp the horror and the menace. But only those who feel all this keenly now have a claim to leadership in the Western world. Those who feel it keenly, or those who can educate themselves, so that if they do not feel that way now, yet they soon will.
"What is important is to pursue the political, diplomatic channel."
Thank you Neville Chamberlain. Many have noted this is exactly why England lost its great empire status, thier treatment of the Jews. Every nation that has treated the Jews poorly..we'll look at them. I guess America is on her way to joining the statistics also. From what heights we will fall. We continue to pressue Israel to give up more land for "peace" (when there shall be no peace) we arm and give $ to her enemies. Our day is coming.
The destruction of this regime in Iran is capital in the fight against Global Jihad in the world.
First, it would give an big blow to the Jihad cause and tear down their expansionnist visions.
Second, it would finally give Iran back to their citizen and enable them to reconnect with their lost culture and their lost religion Zoroastrianism. Iran is one of the finest culture in the world, with sheer culture and heritage comparable to that of the Romans and the Greeks. Besides they are of the same blood being Indo-Europeans.
I think the fall of this stupid regime would be a good way of starting democracy in this great country of Iran and in the middle east.
I'm serious when I say that a regime change in Iran is the key to the future of a modernisation of Islam (or eradication, which is more plausible) and of the freedom of the Western world.
The more the powers of Iran grows, the more the Global Jihad goes on.
Iran and the world deserves better.
Unless Iran or one of its minions do something utterly devastating I'm afraid that Prime Minister Blair and people who share his current views will have their way.
Maybe its for the best. The assumption that Iran and other non-nuclear tryannies have is that the West/United States will never initiate an assault on a nation which has nuclear arms.
In my estimation, the United States should demonstrate to the world that indeed it will. Pick one: Pakistan or Iran, whichever offers the best odds and then turn it over by the most expedient means and in a most public way. This will dampen the enthusiasm for WMD acquisition in all places on Earth.
From where I sit, I like the odds on Pakistan myself. I would suggest we team up with India and overrun that troublesome nation long enough to retrieve the weapons and take out the infrastructure and personnel associated with using nuclear weapons. At the same time we need to work against the Iranian regime with people who would line up the mullahs and fill them full of 7.62 x 39mm ...
Pakistan needs to go down hard by external forces... Iran needs to go down by internal forces.
Would anyone disagree with this idea? Why?
"Maybe if they get their butts out of Che Guevera's butt..."
What??????
-XRDC
SOMEONE SENT ME THIS! VERY FUNNY AND TRUE!
The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist threats and have raised their security level from "Miffed" to Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies all but ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to a "Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was during the great fire of 1666.
Also, the French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Surrender" and "Collaborate." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.
It's not only the English and French that are on a heightened level of alert.
Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."
The Germans also increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual, and the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.
The New Spanish Navy is all excited to see their recently acquired submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
"What is important is to pursue the political, diplomatic channel."
Thank you Neville Chamberlain.
.......goes to show , we had appeasist slugs then ......and just like todays appeasist slugs...they are just plain wrong....
Ynkedoodl2:
Thanks, I am still laughing at this, but you left out the USA! We are fighting over there while the Islamites are setting precedence here with Sharia law everyday. We need to look at our selves first, the war is here, not there.
EliasAlucard-
That I know, but...butts within butts? What kind of phrase is that? I'm assuming it was supposed to be 'heads' out of Che Guevera's butt. Or at least hoping that's what s_sgt7 meant.
-XRDC
The liberals in their attempt to label Blair and Bush right wingers are laying the foundation for a true totalitarian leader to emerge. Bush and Blair are moderate liberals whom the left has defined, wrongly, as conservatives, they are no where close to what is coming. The B&B gubments refusal to confront the ideology we face is leading people to fear for their futures. The leftist/islamist/ convergence in combination with narrow minded types in the gubment like B&B will usher in an age of hugely diminished rights for us all. They try to equate Bush with Hitler, we will never have a Hitler here. We won’t put people in gas chambers but we sure will toss them out of the country to fend for themselves in a very dangerous world. I see a sort of Stalin light w/o the socialism and gulags in the future as a possibility. The day is coming when the apologists are deported, their assets seized along with their islamist allies regardless of status.
Yes it is a world turned upside down where lies are truth and danger is safety. However, if you examine history you will find that when the people are pushed to the edge they react by pulling back to a relative safety of hardline ideologies. Those who push these suicidal policies on us, leave us unable to defend ourselves have not a clue to the inevitable out come of their stupidity. The islamists want to behead the entire world yet the wave of anti Americanism grows in spite of this. I’m sick of it and am getting to the point of not giving a rats tail for what the rest of the world does. I say we pull back and let them screw them selves. In the meantime we can throw out the infiltrators, the seekers of our destruction we have right here among us. Clean up our own backyard as they say before it is too late.
so it is wrong to destory Iran that has repeatedly stated that they will destory America.........
Total BS.............from Blair.......
England will burn just as Paris did with this type of cowardice from Blair........
war is inevitable with the cult of islam just as it was with Nazi Germany by cowardice of Europe to challenge the threats from Germany. It will be a long hot and burning summer in Europe....
prepare be armed be ready for war is coming.....
The Texican.
God Family America Freedom the only choice at any cost.
Then again, this could be a little dis-information by Mr. Blair who does not wish to tip anyone's hand....hmmm.
I spotted a typo!
It's suppose to read like this, "Tony Blair: It would be WISE to take military action against Iran"....not WRONG!
Perhaps Tony is playing possum. I certainly hope so.
The Texican:
By what you are tell me we have given over to the islamites in Dearborn and the region, are we to cede that portion to them? Is that what you are telling me we must do? By what you are saying this is the only choice we have.
I agree with a post above and think that Tony Blair may be more concerned about speaking fees than he is about his place in history. George Bush has got twenty-three more months and, based on the fact that he isn’t accepting Iraqi Muslim refugees, maybe there is hope.
As the world turns, Israel’s military is reacting:
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Israeli_Says_Arrow_Missile_Can_Hit_Iranian_Shihab_Missiles.html
o/t: Spending time at home today with a kid, flipping between FOX News and the Wiggles. Both shows are pretty similar these days.
champ-
At first glance I thought it read:
"Tony Blair: It would NOT be wrong to take military action against Iran"
Hopeful wishing...typos.
-XRDC
Elias; Word I hear is that all 7,000 are Caldian (sp?) Christians. Supposedly because they are the 'most persecuted' group of Iraqis...
"Blair used to have quite a fan club in this country. Why, he was practically Winston Churchill for some..." - Hugh
This may sound cheesy but I remember after Sept 11, Tony Blair gave a speech that brought a tear to my eye. I was just so relieved and so grateful that Britain stood with us, I practically fell in love with the man. I wasn't aware of the hard political hit he took to stand with us until much later. I am still grateful though, and sorry that it ruined his political career to be our ally. He's said some things since that I haven't agreed with, but how much can we really expect with the rampant anti-American and anti-war feeling in Britain. He had to cave
Worse than military action is ruling it out when dealing with an intransigent and bellicose adversary. Then the chances of success in negotiations drop to nothing. But the upside is imagining a world at peace... youuuuuuu....
Being an unabashed anglophile (even when they screw up, they do it with style), one hates to give up on the Brits.
The conservative party leader there is a twit, and Tony quite useless (like Charles and Camilla),
(the Queen will just have to live forty nore years)
God bless America.
QuadoLama,
Three things come to mind.
1.We in America unlike the rest of the world don’t cede our territory to anyone, doubt it, just wait and see.
2. We have not yet begun to fight, but we are getting close.
3.Give us liberty or give us death, if you can.
It is true that we hear just the opposite from the elites but the average American has with drawn themselves from that process. As a matter of fact many Americans have ceased voting as well, is it because they are lazy? No, it is because they don’t believe the powers that be are interested in their well being.
"He had to cave."
It was still a choice but if you mean based on character he was 'bound' to cave, then that is understandable. Inexcusable, but understandable.
-XRDC
The Texican:
By what you are tell me we have given over to the islamites in Dearborn and the region, are we to cede that portion to them? Is that what you are telling me we must do? By what you are saying this is the only choice we have.
Posted by: QuadoLama at February 23, 2007 11:24 AM
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Not at all. Those that live around a mosque or muslim neighborhood need to be cognizant of their surroundings at all times. Whenever you go out you need to be aware of what is happening arround you.
the most recent muslim attacks in America:
five Americans murdered by a muslim in Salt Lake City.
an American run over and injuried by a muslim cab driver.
are you, your children, grandchildren, family, neighbors next?
what are you doing to keep you and them safe?
prepare be armed be ready for war is coming with the cult of islam.
The Texican.
God Family America Freedom the only choice at any cost.
"Maybe if they get their butts out of Che Guevera's butt, hating the USA, hating Christians and hating the Jews - they would see their own problems"
1."Hating the USA" -- so much so that he sent roops to Iraq and Afghanistan in alliance with the US.
2. "Hating Christians". Tony Blair is a practising Christian.
3. "Hating the Jews". Eh???
4. "Che Guevara" -- so ludicrous as not to be worth bothering with. Some of these posters live in a cartoon world, it seems.
No one has really bothered to look at Tony Blair who is nothing but a protege of Bill Clinton chosen by the same European/American socialist globalist faction to "lead" the Anglo's with an American alliance.
Tony Blair has tried diplomacy with France and Germany concerning Iran all of last year. It got NOTHING!
Tony Blair got on his knees with dictator Assad of Syria trying to get him away from Iran and all Assad did was humiliate Blair by playing him for a fool.
Tony Blair is an idiot. He thinks human farts cause global warming when it anything it is the sun.
If you know the UK, their water pipes can not hold high pressure, their roads are country lanes, they are retiring a nuclear submarine, their entire navy is a cheap hulk which one missile can sink and in Afghanistan their own army won't call in the RAF because their idiot pilots can't hit a target and will bomb their own people.
This is not Margaret Thatcher, Churchill nor Cromwell's England. These are socialist, Godless ilk who think they matter....well Putin pretty well told them how much England matters when he came in and pissed on them when he murdered a British national defector with Polonium 210.
America had better face the reality that we are going it alone. Our great friend John Howard is about to be defeated as the Pelosi wooses take control their.
I hope Cheney and company have one more strike in them in it being a massive air hit on Iran, because even if America has been manipulated into it....we will be allot better off with Putin blackmailing Europe and China over oil than a nuclear Iran picking off US cities with a bombs.
Let it be nuclear tipped Global Strike though that hits Iran so it is done with in one bombing campaign. If Iran is in ruins, America can conserve and drill for oil and feed our people and wait out the Eurasians when they start blowing each other up.
Lame Cherry-
As much as I am generally reluctant to be so blunt when replying specifically to the author of a particular post, in your instance I'll make an exception.
I have to point out that your last posting has now removed all doubt in my mind as to how complete a wanker you are.
Your posting ranks high among some of the most ignorant, uninformed, vitriolic mutterings that I have come across.
""He had to cave."
It was still a choice but if you mean based on character he was 'bound' to cave, then that is understandable. Inexcusable, but understandable."
-XRDC
I mean it in the same sense that Bush has caved. He started off the "War on Terror" very strong, telling us that we were in for the long haul, and that there would be hard times and that many would want to give up, but that we must be strong. Then when exactly all of that started to happen he 'caved'. I guess its inevitable that politicians will cave, at least today's politicians. Oh for the days of great men and solid convictions
Thing is, when it comes down to it, everyone (meaning, the rest of the Civilized world) knows that they really don't have to do a thing, because America is always there to police the world, take out the threats to our freedom and safety, and provide that comfortable blanket of security that we've been providing for at least 60 years now.
Nobody else has to get their hands dirty, and it's much more fun to whine and point accusatory fingers than it is to be responsible.
Lame Cherry is unwarranted in his harshness of the British people. Eventually, they will fight back. It is in their history and their blood.
However, they must defeat and dethrone the spineless fools whom they have voted in to rule them when things turned well for them, during England's economic Renaissance of recent times. When the people believed quite righty that they could afford Socialist leadership -- the noble belief that all should share in the good fortune.
But now, in time of an unforseen threat which Socialism has brung (which is always the way of unbridled Socialism), in the domestic "soft jihad" invasion of Islam, they desperately need a Churchill -- a man who saw right through Islam and said so plainly. They need him desperately.
I think it would be a good idea to plant a nuclear suitcase bomb right at the site of the Iranian nuclear complex (don't skimp on the blast value) and let them get a taste of their own medicine. When they accuse the US or Israel of doing the work, just say "We have no idea what you are talking about. But it is interesting that you have gotten exactly what you have threatened others with. How do you like getting what you threaten others with"?
... And I don't mean to sound as if I am not appreciative of our friends standing behind us to help us take out some of this Muslim threat (Australia, Canada, the UK, Denmark, just to name a few)... All of these countries have, for the most part, walked the walk and put their own brave men and women into battle, and all have suffered casualties, too. We are very grateful for the help and the support.
But even without those countries' support, America would still be there in the thick of it all, fighting for not just our own freedom and security, but for for everyone across this world.
So in the end, it doesn't matter if the UK is with us when we are forced to fight Iran. America will face and beat this threat we recognize before it becomes the scourge of the planet.
Such phrases as "invasion of Iran" are dishonest, and are meant to evoke images of Tarbaby Iraq. But no "invasion of Iran" is necessary. No "complete destruction of Iran" is needed. Strikes, from the air (planes and missiles -- what is the Air Force for? And the Navy?) can destroy or damage very severely, the nuclear project. Iran need not be dismembered nor its regime "changed." That will happen slowly, from within. And besides, one doesn't wish to end the threat to Sunnis or to allow them to retake control of Iraq. One wishes only to eliminate the nuclear threat to Infidels, in and out of the Middle East.
Exactly, Hugh.
Indeed, Jefferson, when beating back the Islamic threat to the fledgeling America, who were waging openly declared Jihad along the Barbary Coast, had no interest or intention in "regime change" forced by America. It is a foolish, naive notion.
One destroys the Islamic Fascist ability to wage Jihad and demoralizes them. They turn to their only source of strategy -- the Islamic texts -- and see that Mohammad advises to cease Jihad when it is clear they cannot win. Game over.
It is as simplistic and completely cut and dry as that, and this is why America won in its first outing against Islam's first attack on her -- and would win again today if she followed the lessons of history.
But then, that would require that the current administration faced facts, dropped PC nonsense, and learned from both history and honestly studied the game plan of the enemy.
One may also expect that Iran-sponsored cells will rear their heads throughout the U.S. and allied states in "response" to the first strike Ahmedinejad is hoping for. Itchy trigger finger that he is, we may never know until we call his bluff.
-XRDC
QuadoLama,
Everything you say is true except the removal part. The islamists are not stopping and because of this socialism we have experienced in the last 30 years, when they finally launch an attack of significant proportion it will destroy the social umbrella. People will be hungry and miserable, the economy will be devastated. Then the anger of the tolerant masses will be unleashed, I wouldn’t be surprised to find we already have contingency plans for a swift repatriation of these enemy among us. We are not stupid we know a wall is a ridiculous idea. The only way the world survives is them in their lands and us in ours. Oh and it would require them not trying to explode the globe, which they will never agree to do. So since they will never cooperate, and will continue to attempt to bring on Armageddon it won’t work. Who knows where it leads us, it might just be the end of the world as we know it. What you write doesn’t surprise me, there is a long history of people underestimating America and Americans.
XDRC wrote: "One may also expect that Iran-sponsored cells will rear their heads throughout the U.S. and allied states in "response" to the first strike Ahmedinejad is hoping for. Itchy trigger finger that he is, we may never know until we call his bluff."
Yes, but consider the reality of such a situation.
Iranian Jihad cells, if they exist, only have two resolutions. Either they attack or attempt to attack and are exposed, or they are demoralized and disperse.
Secondly, Ahmedinejad has demonstrated repeatedly that he readily spews one lie to the Infidels after another, as his Koran tells him is fine in the war he believes he is in. Or is it an endless "revolution"?
Take for example his insane Aids Cure made from local herbal sources, based on zero science as a comical (yet dangerously real in its silly implimentation to Aids victims in Iran to save money over American infidel drugs, obviously). His bizarro world Holocaust questioning another example. There are many others -- most of them groundless "Jewish conspiracies".
So what do you do? One must call his bluff and attack with unstoppable, crushing force. And follow up by swift action on all areas where intelligence has been gathered that raise a question mark on domestic security, and international where you can.
The Islamic threat is not going to go away, unless it is met with unbeatable force. Then it shrinks away -- as the "prophet" commands of his cult.
I like Frank’s idea. If a nuclear site was to suddenly explode in the forest, is there anyone left to say that they didn’t press the wrong button?
On Tony Blair and speaker fees. A radio show just went over Hillary’s financial disclosures. Bill has made over $40 million in speaker fees in six years, much of it in the middle east. $10 million last year. That’s life-changing money; it would take a strong man to not be influenced.
I think Ahmedinejad is perfectly willing to martyr himself and his country for the chance to launch a nuke at Israel. Thus his fascination with the end of the world, though it would just be the end of HIS world. That is why diplomacy will never work. He thinks he's on a Holy mission. I wonder if any Iranians are starting to question his mental health, especially after the whole "surrounded by light" thing at the UN. He's gonna lead them all to destruction
tgusa:
it is far too late for that now, can you just picture some little 3 year old being escorted to a waiting bus, with his hands raised, a cop holding a gun on him, so he can be deported? Never gonna happen, they will not win with guns, they have won with wombs, the war is lost and we are too frickin stupid to see it. It is not just in Michigan, it is in Dallas as well. We have lost the war before it ever began. perhaps we should all learn a few verses from the Koran, and then learn the bow, but with an American flair. There is NOTHING we will do to rid our nation of this, IT IS TOO LATE FOR THAT NOW! There are 6 million here now. It will not be politically acceptable to just throw them out. We need to be careful that they don’t replace our leaders with and ask us to leave. Now that is something I can see happening.
With the backpedaling by Blair, the recent Democratic election victories, and the election of the first muslim congressman, I'm certain Israel's military leadership knows they can't count on the West. Already in January, one of Iran's nuclear scientists, Ardeshire Hassanpour, died under "mysterious circumstances" - his death has been widely attributed to the Mossad. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear reports of the "mysterious" deaths of critical Iranian nuclear scientists and "unexplained accidents" over the next few months. Mysterious deaths and unexplained accidents at least delay the inevitable and are more politically palatable than bombing Iran's nuclear facilities.
It's going to be an interesting year.
Hugh
What if the Iranians, on getting liberated once their regime collapses, turn Zoroastrian? There'll be no backing for the Shia in Iraq, unless one thinks that Khuzestan is significant, or that the Kurds would be significant militarily.
Methinks we will need more granular intra-Sunni divisions in that case.
America is at 1% Muslim, QuadoLama. It is 99% free.
The trouble zones where Islam causes violence and social unrest and war against the Infidels is around 5%, judging from the worldwide examples tha thave been set, time and egain.
There is time and a chance in America to cut off Muslim immigration and crush attempts at anti-Constitutional sharia law enforcement. It requires cool heads, and education of the voting masses who still are lulled into the "everything is cool" mentality.
It's not over. America is in an excellent position to destroy the threat to liberty and freedom which Islamic teachings and law promotes openly in their texts, and enforces violently where their numbers are great enough in example country after example country.
Simply throw away any steadfast party belief systems and vote for those who will act against the enemies of America internally and externally. Do everything you can to provide educated, rational, and calm and collected encouragement to others to do the same. Challenge them to examine what America stands for, and how PC, and Gulf Stream Liberals, and delusional George Bush suporters alike have missed the boat in not learning and understanding American history and principles, and understanding and admitting the plain facts that Jihad Watch and Robert Spencer point out each day.
It will not be politically acceptable to just throw them out.
But it will be politically acceptable to make them choose between Apostate status or a humane repatriation after the next big event. The key is education in the interim-maybe from a civil damages trial in Utah. RICO can be used in a civil damages trial, and triples judgments. Target Islam, not Muslims.
In the US commercial fleet alone, there are around 7800 jets in service and 1800 jets parked in the desert. Using a quarter of the commercial capacity for long-haul service, assuming 250 seats per jet on average:
2400 jets * 2500 seats = 600,000 seats available.
If there are 2 million Muslims who elect to not become Apostates in the US; it could be over in a few days.
http://www.jetinventory.com/USA.aspx
Ynkedoodl2 & QuadoLama,
I'm still laughing at the whimpy satire too and agree that we
need to include the USA. . . > > >
The Americans are fighting over there while the Islamists and illegals are settling in here reproducing like rabbits, a.k.a.
"Bush's Babies".
From Pat Buchanan's article:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54401
"There is a larger meaning to all this, and Americans must come to terms with it. NATO is packing it in as a world power. NATO is little more than a U.S. guarantee to pull Europe's chestnuts out of the fire if Europeans encounter a fight they cannot handle, like an insurgency in Bosnia or Kosovo. NATO has one breadwinner, and 25 dependents.
...
Where does this leave NATO? This leaves NATO as little more than a U.S. guarantee to go to war for the nations of Europe, while Europeans can be freeloading critics of U.S. policy around the world."
To everyone that hates my guts!
Do you think they will just ignore voting day here in the USA? Or do you think they will vote the way their I-Mammy tells them to? John Conyers of Michigan Put forward a bill to make it illigal to make fun of the . It is not the peoples fault, it is that the USA is the best bargin in the world, here a Congressman can be bought for little or no money down. Tell me, in your heart, do you really think they will just stop because we say woah? I dont think so, they are going to be the force to be reconed with in the very near future, regardless of who wins the election. We need to make friends with them. Soon you will be saying, "Oh yes, some of my best friends are Muslim, my daughter is married to one"!
I do agree with Hugh, that Iran not need be invaded, but just bombed the hell out of their nuke sites, military sites, but then at the same time US military need areas to do this, and need the so called tar baby iraq bases to help with this stragedy.
Regarding Obama,
From the Trinity United Church of Christ covenantal statement.
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black
Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and
Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value
System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.”
http://howardwasright.com/index.php/site/more/458/
Yes sir he’s my kind of President… not.
Regarding repatriation, I’m not interested in the details of how it is done, I care about our children, our women, our country. Those in charge can get islamist apostates to carry out the repatriation for all I care. They are the ones putting their 1 year olds in front of the computer to become mesmerized and indoctrinated by jihadist activity, they are the ones who dress their infants in suicide bomber garb, they are the ones attacking our youth on campus, at work, in nightclubs, restaurants and shopping malls. They are beyond monsters towards women as well and any western man that can’t face up to that is no man at all.
"To everyone that hates my guts!"
Who hates your guts? And who would hate their daughter so much as to say:
"Oh yes, some of my best friends are Muslim, my daughter is married to one"!
-XRDC
Oh, the demographics are very reversible. Only the UN thinks short term trends extrapolated a few hundred years are fate. How many Christians in America when the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth and how many now? Politically not feasable, yeah with THESE political leaders. They ain't going to be there forever, especially if they continue to do what they're doing. Anyone like Quodolama who wants to lie down because 1% of the population is muslim is a disgrace to the memory of the American settlers that build a nation in the face of 99.9999% hostile population. If they thought about what's possible and reasonable, they would have got right back on that ship and went back to England.
We shouldn't get intimidated or discouraged by the numbers or the temporary setbacks, or instances of poor leadership. The Islamic ideology is trash, and western ways of thinking are superior. Rome started out with six hills and came to dominate the ancient world. Part of being part of the western culture is that there are times where you are taking a stand, so to speak, with the few hundred Spartans at Thermopylae (also betrayed by one local Greek), or the few Knights of Malta at the Battle of Malta, for the superior PROUD AND FREE western culture against large numbers of sadistic slaves trying to bring in their own eastern despotism. Of course, not all Greek city states chose to fight the invader, some submitted, but the ones that did fight won the victory for all of western civilization. Betrayal may be part of what we face, and will be facing, but it won't defeat us if we keep faith in our western civilization and keep fighting.
I think we'll kill two birds with one stone in this Islamic attack on our culture. Liberalism will be revealed for the utterly failed, weak, and useless ideology that it is. We need to take a long term view, in that we are championing the traditional western way of life that is superior to both the Islamic slavedom and the communism-lite which is liberalism, we will eventually triumph, though we are in a tough battle. So let's think of this struggle positively, and thereby through our efforts again turn it into another one of western civilization's finest hours, when the relatively few once again fought off despotism, though facing superior numbers and betrayal of some of their own!
QuadoLama --
No one hates your guts, but if you can't take the heat here on JW, then you WILL get your feelings hurt by those who don't always agree with you.
You stated, "we need to make friends with them"....says who? Does polite society say we need to make friends with them?
Then polite society will cease to exist, because they will all be dead or dhimmified.
“I can’t think that it would be right to take military action against Iran . . . What is important is to pursue the political, diplomatic channel. I think it is the only way that we are going to get a sensible solution to the Iranian issue.”
--PM Blair
Reminds one of another British PM: Neville Chamberlain. He pursued "the political, diplomatic channel" with "Herr" Hitler (as he called that swine) and even came away with a piece of paper signed by said swine, which was good for only one purpose (the one which Mohammed used rough rocks for).
"SalaciousCrumb, this isn't really about the Jews. "
Posted by: EliasAlucard
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I beg to differ sir. It IS about the Jews. Are we not talking Irans determined plan to possess a nuclear bomb? What do you think they are going to do with that bomb ? It is always about the Jews in that region of the world (as well as others). The Jews are the only race of people that a good majority of thw world wants wiped out, completely, simply because they are Jews. Don't think that the end of the world as we know will one day be brought about by countries who want to destroy Israel and the Jews.
Blair's latest claim is that the war against the "Islamists" or "the terrorists" will last perhaps as long as "30 or 40 years." That is as revealingly idiotic a remark as that by the crazed Cheney, that True Believer in Tarbaby Iraq and the "mission" there, who thinks that the "war against the terrorists" could last a "generation or two."
The above assumes that within the next few decades an unreformed Islam will not manage to stage an atrocity so heinous that Total War will be declared against the MME (Muslim Middle East). I would not bet a plug nickle on this conflict lasting another TEN years. Islam will find a way to immolate itself, be it through Sunni versus Shia nuclear conflict or sufficiently antagonizing Western nuclear powers. You can bet the farm on it.
I'm also obliged to speculate as to whether Israel is silently entering new coordinates into their Sampson Option each time another major power like Britain abandons the Jews to Islam's withering embrace. If so, it would not suprise me in the least. It's difficult to imagine that Moscow and Paris aren't already on the target list.
It's not over. America is in an excellent position to destroy the threat to liberty and freedom which Islamic teachings and law promotes openly in their texts, and enforces violently where their numbers are great enough in example country after example country.
Simply throw away any steadfast party belief systems and vote for those who will act against the enemies of America internally and externally. Do everything you can to provide educated, rational, and calm and collected encouragement to others to do the same. Challenge them to examine what America stands for, and how PC, and Gulf Stream Liberals, and delusional George Bush suporters alike have missed the boat in not learning and understanding American history and principles, and understanding and admitting the plain facts that Jihad Watch and Robert Spencer point out each day.
Excellent post, A.L.!
"If you know the UK, their water pipes can not hold high pressure, their roads are country lanes, they are retiring a nuclear submarine, their entire navy is a cheap hulk which one missile can sink and in Afghanistan their own army won't call in the RAF because their idiot pilots can't hit a target and will bomb their own people.
This is not Margaret Thatcher, Churchill nor Cromwell's England. These are socialist, Godless ilk who think they matter....well Putin pretty well told them how much England matters when he came in and pissed on them when he murdered a British national defector with Polonium 210."
Rant, rant, rant. Oh, why not nuke the UK while you're about it.
"Okay Tony, I have a question for ya.
Why was it okay to take "military action" in Iraq, but NOT Iran?
If we were uncertain about Iraq's intentions, we are definitely 100% SURE about Iran's intentions.
So, what is wrong?"
OK, but in that case why was it okay to take military action in Iraq and not in Libya, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, [supply your own hate state] etc etc (yawn)? Maybe these politicians live in the real world and have to make difficult, responsible decisions, unlike armchair warriors?
What type of "diplomacy" would Blair suggest that hasn't already been tried? Negotiations? Been there, done that. Try this one on for size.
The Western world (with or without Russia) will have a policy of PAD (Persia's Assured Destruction). Given that Iranian leaders are the only ones to go on record saying that the destruction of their own country is acceptable if it brings back their stupid imam, let's call them on it. Any nuclear attack anywhere in the world will be blamed on Iran and the country will be destroyed forthwith. We can then watch the imam rise from the ashes.
There is only one way to get this policy rescinded: stop the nuclear enrichment program and prove to the world that you have done it. Otherwise, all people in Iran risk destruction. If the people of Iran really don't want Islamic law, they can do something about the mullahs.
Soon you will be saying, "Oh yes, some of my best friends are Muslim, my daughter is married to one"!
Keep dreaming!!!
"... stop the nuclear enrichment program and prove to the world that you have done it."
There is no way that Iran can or would even want to prove such a thing. Their facilities could be hidden in hundreds of places that it would take years to find.
The only truly viable course is to depose the Iranian mullahs. They cannot, nor can they ever be trusted to do anything more than hate the Jews and Western culture as they continue to fight a terrorist proxy war.
"Evidently it would be the decent thing to do just to allow them to nuke Israel."
We know the Sunni hate the Shia, but do they have any interest in self-preservation or do they have their own end of times dogma?
Assuming we stay out of the fighting (with the Democrats we might even be out of Iraq altogether) and whether or not Israel retaliates, wouldn't a nuclear attack on Israel also wipe out most of Jordan and rain radiation over the rest of the Middle East? Do any of these Sunni countries care one whit about their OWN survival or is it enough just to get rid of Israel (and the many Arabs who live there and the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, along with the "third holiest site in Islam").
Do they think that Iran will stop at Israel and not try to wipe them out as well?
It really is Islam uber alles.
How come no news agency reports on the muslims who reside in Israel? And their much better lifestyle in Israel vs the donkey doo bins that the muslims make for themselves around israel?
They can't because that would paint Israel in a better light than its neighbors. And of course the only reason everyone else has it so bad is that the Israelis "stole" everything from them. Don't we realize Arabs were living in shangri-la before Israel was formed?
Zenster,
Exactly. It's up to the people of Iran. They can support these mullahs and probably die with them or they can have their own revolution and rejoin the civilized world.
Their facilities are spread out and could take years to find, but that assumes we have to look for them. They should PROVE they have dismantled their program before the world agrees to let them off the hook.
By accepting such an arrangement, the first sign of nuclear weapons development would make them in violation of their agreement and PAD would be reinstated.
Tony Blair is in a bind on this issue. In the days of Thatcher, we had a different demographic makeup. For starters, during the early 1980s, there were far more of the World War I and II generations around who remembered the likes of Churchill and respected strong leadership, whilst the post Cold War generations were still a spark in their parents' eyes. The Britain of 1982 would have been far easier to persuade over the issue of Iran than the Britain of 2007. Blair defied at least 70% of the British people over Iraq, today he would be defying at least 90% of them over Iran, if he committed Britain's Armed Forces to the downfall of the wicked Iranian regime. Going into Iraq has cost him everything, politically. This is Britain as it is today, and has been for 20 years. The Britain of World War II vanished 60 years ago, and will never return.
"They should PROVE they have dismantled their program before the world agrees to let them off the hook."
PMK, allow me to repeat myself in more lucid terms;
You can't prove a negative.
As in, there's no way for Iran, or any outside agency, to prove that they have ended all nuclear weapons R&D. This is why removing the mullahs is so critical. Killing them is the preferred method due to how poisonous their mere existence would continue to be.
Of equal importance to destroying Iran's nuclear infrastructure is eliminating those actors who view atomic weapons as useful towards their ends. It is the only was to assure even a slight degree of stability with respect to overcoming this threat. Tehran's mullahs have made patently clear their willingness to convert all Iran into one massive homicide bomber. Obliterating Israel is of such importance to them that Iran's resulting destruction remains an afterthought.
This is the sort of psychotic mentality we are dealing with. Worst of all, it is not confined to radical Shia theocracy. You may be confident that a huge portion of Islamists would rather see this globe a radioactively sterilized ball if it meant forever eliminating the West. Muslims would be in their paradise and the kufar would be exterminated.
Consider the implications of this and how to confront such an obsession with death.
The few options remaining for the West are not at all pretty.
"Haven't we already tried that many times before? We've made muslims wealthy beyond their imagination and they HATE us, we send money everytime there is a disaster in their countries (i.e. Pakistan and Indonesia) and still they HATE US.
We send finanical aid to Lebanon and Palestine and still THEY HATE US.
We allow millions of their citizens to come and live in our countries under generous asylum laws and guess what? THEY STILL HATE US."
In the immortal words of Randy Newman:
We give them money
But are they grateful?
No they're spiteful
And they're hateful.
They don't respect us so let's surprise them;
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them.
— Political Science —
"In "Removing the ‘cloak’ of religious extremism" for the Common Ground News Service (via Middle East Online), Laura McAleer, a student at Georgetown University, and Hala Ali, a student at South Valley University of Cairo, who together participated in a "Western-Arab intercultural dialogue program," spin some fanciful but familiar tales"
It should be pretty abvious that Laura McAleer was duped by her friend Hala Ali. If Laura had been fortified with a couple dozen murderous quotes from the Koran and Hadieth, she might have been able to put some really difficult questions to her hosts about the "peaceful" nature of Islam, instead of the whole issue being reduced to som claptrap about the meaning of Jihad.
I suspect though that the duping of Laura began long before she hooked up with Hala Ali. No doubt Georgetown University ensured that she, along with other students, got a heavy dose of duping in the ideologies of Multiculturalism and Diversity to immunize them against asking questions that might be "hurtful" or "offensive" to peoples of other cultures.
If Laura had been taught real Western notions of critical thinking, she wouldn't have been so easily lead to the slaughter by her Muslim colleagues. As it was, they put lipstick on a pig, and called it beautiful. now she thinks it's beautiful.