Turkish Foreign Minister Gül: "We cannot contain the public" if U.S. Congress acknowledges Armenian genocide

I hope the US accepts this and ignores Turkey's idiocy. The genocide happened and so did the mass expulsions the national geographic magazinescovered in the 1920s in Turkey where little Christian children were kidnapped to be forcibly converted to muslims. I dont want to tell you what they did to the 9 year old christian girls....

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Armenian Genocide Survivor Sam Kadorian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfC0thL5lUc

Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor: Hagop Assadourian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3JYUYnsqE&mode=related&search=

Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor: Richard Parseghian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ijIaMWwtk&mode=related&search=

Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor --Alice Muggerditchian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHiaiqowsQg&mode=related&search=

Armenian Genocide Survivor Vartan Hartunian 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNYiNbRZBDk&mode=related&search=

mass kidnapping of Christian boys and girls in Turkey (to raise them as muslim and to marry the girls):
Armenian Genocide Survivor - Kevork Balian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdnHOSs0XNA

plus there was another genocide by the Muslim Turks against the Greek Christians in the early 20th century which is sometimes lumped in with the Armenian genocide but which in many respects is a sepearate muslim attack on another group of famous Christian cities and getting rid of the Christians there:

http://www.greece.org/genocide/

quote from above link:

In September 1922, Mustapha Kemal, the revolutionary ruler of Turkey , led his troops into Smyrna (now Izmir ), which at that time was a predominantly Christian city. While a flotilla of twenty-seven Allied warships - including three American destroyers - looked on, the Turks indulged in an orgy of pillage, rape and slaughter; which the Western powers condoned - eager to protect their oil and trade interests in Turkey - through their silence and by their refusal to intervene. Turkish forces then set fire to the legendary city and totally destroyed it. A massive cover-up followed, by tacit agreement of the Western Allies, who had defeated Turkey and Germany during World War I. By 1923, Smyrna 's demise was all but expunged from historical memory.

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PLUS THE MILLIONS KILLED Armenians, Greeks, Jews who would were killed after Constantinople was taken over. (Under shiria law you can kill the people of the book if they resisted you or you want to make an example of them after a war (according to Islamic court rulings of course!)

BUT THERE WAS A SECOND MASSACRE IN ISTANBUL(Constantinople) in 1896 also

Videos of massacre in Pontian area in Asia minor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xGhlJLL-ys

Turkish muslims kill christians in ancient christian city smyrna:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKXJDB0kubo

(warning GRAPHIC images of death of innocent christians must sign in youtube to view):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR45W_2tfOg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJrcDLgluw4

Also killings and mass pogrom against Greeks in Istanbul IN THE 1950s ! (why do you think there are only like a 1000 christians there now? Its been a long history of Muslims persecuting them, kicking them out and killing them):

http://wiki.phantis.com/index.php/Istanbul_Pogrom

"This remark is truly unfortunate at a time when Turkish public opinion has been divided over the Hrant Dink murder, the concepts of good and evil have been mixed,"

muslims never had clear concepts of good and evil, for a good 1400 years

please people join this forum, ALLIES we need you

http://truthaboutislam.s4.bizhat.com/

the so-called Kemalist Revolution -- that is, the putting of systematic restraints on Islam as a political and social system, lasted roughly a quarter-century, from 1925-1949. When Menderes came in in 1950, the counter-revolution began, with the dervish orders re-emerging, and a campaign of government mosque-building, and other measures that answered the demands of the mass of primitive Believers who then, and now, make up most of Turkey's population. In 1955 came the attacks on the Greek community of Istanbul (see Speros Vryonis, "The Mechanism of Catastrophe"). The Americans failed to comprehend or to worry. After all, Turkey was a member of CENTO (which lasted, mostly as figment of American and British imagination, until 1958, when the overturning of the Iraqi regime by Col. Qassem changed everything).

Secularist Turks, advanced westernized Turks, the Turks who are the kind of Turks one meets abroad, or meets in fashionable gatherings in Istanbul (and fails to see, much less read the minds of, all those other Turks who wait on you, or wait on the secularized westernized Turks who are your hosts), do not represent Turkey. They represent a part of Turkey. Perhaps they represent as much as a quarter of the population. But not more. And they will lose, lose unless they do more to protect, and to constantly expand, the Kemalist undertaking. And that means as well being willing to rely on the army, that protector of the flame in Ankara, the one at Ataturk's tomb, the one that is at the centre of the narrative woven of the Great Man, and the Great People, intended to supplement or even to supplant the narrative of Islam.

As for Gul's threat, he seems not to realize that the need for Turkey now is not what it was once perceived to be. Russia is no longer a military threat. The listening posts, the airfields, are only of value if they can be used against the forces of Islam. If they cannot be, and so far they haven't been (that fourth division was not allowed to enter Iraq from the north, from those American bases in Turkey -- so what good are those bases, they must be asking themselves in the Pentagon, if they cannot be used as we will obviously be needing to use them).

Turkey's significance to American plans has gone way down. Turkey's behavior --- its willingness to allow the crudest anti-American and antisemitic books and movies ("Valley of Wolves"), and for its political figures not merely to oppose the war in Iraq (good god, I oppose the war in Iraq) but also to depict the American soldiers as "worse than Nazis," has not gone unnoticed, and will not be forgotten, here.

Abdullah Gul has it all wrong. It is Turkey that should be trembling. Turkey that should be doing everything it now can to placate the Americans. It is Turkey that will not be allowed into the E.U. It is Turkey that needs American guarantees in the future chaos and confusion that will inevitably result -- thank God -- from the inevitable American withdrawal from Tarbaby Iraq.

He should get it right, or be replaced.

Why?

Because he doesn't understand the precarious position of Turkey today.

But he will.

Please note one of the videos above was actually posted by a muslim and I just found out changed so (he takes photos of muslims killing the nonmuslim armenian and greeks and CLEVERLY says they are pictures of Greeks killing Turks)--talk about taqiyaa! The video I am referrring was posted above as:

Turkish muslims kill christians in ancient christian city smyrna:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKXJDB0kubo

AGAINSTILLFEDUP are you aka "stillfedup"? Hi how you are you friend! Yes of course I will join going there now.

HUGH yes you are right on about the Turkish people in the 'heartland' of Turkey. I have an exmuslim Turkish friend who Ive mentioned on here before. He told me "once you step outside Istanbul or Ankara -your in Islamland" They are VERY conservative Sunnis and honor killings etc are very common in the countryside. He told me how when he was a young man he had his '1/2 hour of hate against Christians and Jews" He purposely used the Orwellian metaphor and said it was very much like that. He is ashamed that he throw a rock at an old woman who had a cross around her neck. Nowadays he hates Islam with a passion 'for robbing me of my youth".

Off topic

I'm hereby contributing the link to

Richard Burton's "Travels in Mecca and Medina"

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupid?key=olbp13336

Has anyone read it already? I was never interested before, being rather of a mind that the man was simply making it up: but the people there are the same. From the first scanning, I can see that the islamics haven't changed in their violence. : savage tribals - one doesn't dare travel in those areas without some kind of weapon - (although officially, its prohibited in Mecca, I know)- self protection rates high - from ALGERIA to the Sudan to the Himalayas, same as in N. Roerich's time. I wonder how tourists DARE to continue going there, I do mean Algeria ( you know the terrible civil war)- still there's tourism there. As to the Himalayas, there's the companies that sponsor mountain climbing. Do women still go there?

All in all, I admire the daring - of the man, as Burton put one over the islamics in going right into the wolf's den. Ha, Ha.

Now, I'm going to settle down, and read me a good book. You, people, UNBELIEVERS - YOU KAFFIRS, enjoy the book, also.

Turkey warning the dhimmi. Isn't that the standard mo for these guys?

When have they ever looked at their history with any type of honesty. Allies your post above is very accurate as to some of the many atrocities these people have carried forth. Who would want anyone to look closely at them when they can't stand the truth.

They had the practice of the Janissary's for infidel boys, made up mostly of the Greek settlers, but also of Serb, Armenian and every other Christian they could find.

Constantinople the largest Greek city ever is now reduced to 2000 Greeks living there. I've said this a thousand times at least, thank God Turkey is secular because there would be 0 Greeks and other Christians living there if she wasn't. (Of course there's some sarcasm there)

These secular moderates celebrate the massacre at Smyrna every year as the Battle of Smyrna. Can you imagine that? How outrageous can these people be? They have a festival every year in Constantinople where they dress up someone as the Patriarch of Constantinople and put him on a boat, masses of Turks stand on the shore and wave good bye to him, wow what a tolerant bunch. These same guys received a gift of a statue of St. Nicolas from the Russian government to place in the Saints birthplace. The Turkish government replaced it with a plastic Santa Claus as the statue offended the Muslim's living there.

Sorry but given the US' past record with the Turks, I have no faith in that government to stand up and do what's right, it'll cave and the bill wont pass.

Niv

'The bill will most probably pass in Congress, which will vote on it before Apr. 24'.

oh, i do so hope so !

I will be highly pleased if the bill passes. Hopefully the Turks keep this baffonory up and their bid to join the E.U. dies the death it needs to. Hopefully the illiterate,peasant masses of ignorance from Anatolia whom support Islam and who are every bit as stupid as Borat run wild and have a whittle temper tantrum. Lets fed Turkey and its idiot leaders to the Islamist wolves and for good measure give the Kurds weapons and a mandate to go wild.The cold war is over, lets take old junk to the trash, we don't need Turkey. This little threat from this collection of unneeeded, little boy loving primitives makes me angry. Why does the West fear such a collection of stupid losers, who can barely fed themselves? It is so sick they murder ofF the Christians, the true owners of Turkey and then have the nerve to threaten violence for mere recognition of the truth. To that I say hell no.

I love this quote from Gul:

"the Turkish government could not contain the demands by the public to halt cooperation with the United States…”

Like Turkey has done that much for us to begin with?

Change history or else. Holocaust denial Redux. Just listening to the bizarre contents of the bizarre brains of the the students and professors at my nearby state university...I am intellectually terrified as I watch truth wash away like the levees of New Orleans.

Blackmail seems to be popular these days: North Korea, Turkey, Pakistan. When will the U.S. have a non-compromising, courageous leader who will not sacrifice principles for political expediency? The American political leadership is intent to spread the light of "democracy" and "progress" to all the world (just like the Roman emperors thousands of years ago...), and the President did not hesitate to invade two foreign, sovereign nations, yet the government can't do a simple thing such as acknowledge the Armenian genocide, which is an indisputable historic fact?

The U.S. will be punished for this hypocrisy, because if you do not protest evil, then by implication you collaborate with it, and Islam is pure evil.

This is another example of "moderate" muslims using the 'good cop, bad cop' routine on the free world.

In the long run, maybe it would be better for all these various "publics" to go jihadi on us... then maybe we can settle accounts and it provide a respite and allow us to turn our attention to more productive and interesting things.

These jihadis are boring. Always the same thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAVEfUzkG20

Turkey's 'friendship' with the United States has been more or less reduced to a convenience which hasn't proved very convenient for the U.S.A. lately.

Once upon a time they served as a kind of lynchpin to U.S. efforts to halt and contain Soviet expansionism. Now the best I can say about them is that it's nice to have a Muslim country that pays lip service to being an ally with us (of course a fake one at that, being a Muslim country...)

I'm still remembering the deliberate Turkish scuttling of the 4th Infantry Division into Iraq after they promised access. And that unilateral suspension of the use of their air bases for re-supply after they promised us access. They waited until we were fully unloaded on Turkish soil to withdraw 'permission'. This was a deliberate move to humiliate and hamstring us in the North.

The 4th ID represented a huge portion of the force would intended to bring to bear in Iraq -- and with this total force stymied and reduced to waiting off the coast of Turkey and on the ground at bases across their Muslim hell hole, they changed their treacherous Muslims minds and betrayed us completely.

How many extra U.S. service men lost their lives because we weren't able to bring the 4th ID to bear. How many more months did it take to finally find Saddam Hussein in the North? How much more blood was shed because of Turkish perfidy?

I hold them responsible.

Yet the mighty U.S. still pulled off one of the greatest and swiftest military campaigns in history. Turkey did its best to see us destroyed and humilated in Iraq. We should never forget their treachery.

So let the vile Muslim nation of Turkey baste in her juices of Islamic hatred and backwardness. No U.S. citizen should go there for vacation. No U.S. aid should flow there. Let's see who needs whom more...

I think those swarthy Turks will deeply regret this latest stupidity -- whereas the U.S. will be liberated from having to pretend a back-stabbing hypocritical Muslim nation like Turkey is our 'friend' and 'ally'.

We are well rid of them. They stink. (and they literally DO stink!)

well i know whats going to happen next the usa will give in to turkeys demands as it always does I do not true the US Goverment or the UK goverment they all love the turks its always been the foring policy

the only genocicde turks want everyone to remeber is the so called bosnian genocide the socalled chechen genocide the socalled kashmiri genocide ect,

Sounds like a perfect excuse for Bush to renege on whatever deal he made with Turkey. Time to establish New Kurdistan.

“The twentieth century was marred by wars of unimaginable brutality, mass murder and genocide. History records that the Armenians were the first people of the last century to have endured these cruelties. The Armenians were subjected to a genocidal campaign that defies comprehension and commands all decent people to remember and acknowledge the facts and lessons of an awful crime in a century of bloody crimes against humanity. If elected President, I would ensure that our nation properly recognizes the tragic suffering of the Armenian people."

George W. Bush, February 19, 2000

For those of you that are confused by this article, it would be better translated as 'this is a threat to the U.S. don't do it'.

Movie on the Armenian Genocide on the way:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/14/armenian-genocide-at-the-berlin-film-festival/

If you "can't control the public," then don't bother trying.

Go out, engage in your street theater, cameras rolling.

Let it all hang out.

Let the Europeans get a good look at the essentials running through Turkey.

Street theater doesn't bother me. Nor should it rattle Uncle Sam.

Turkey didn't help us in the run-up to OIF.

They're doing some little dance with the French about their entry into the EU. They've threatened the Pope, whitewashed history, on more than just their interactions with the Armenians. They've chased just about every vestige of Orthodox Christianity out of Anatolia. They've taken control of Christian sanctuaries, turned them into places of dark worship.

We used Turkey during the Cold War. Though it suited the interests of Turkey as well. So though we got something out of it, they did as well. We don't need them any longer as a counterweight towards Soviet intrusions into the Eastern Med.

So if they want to go out and pretend they didn't slaughter Armenian Christians, LET 'EM.

Every single time a European sees the street theater, sees what's going on in the muslim street, one more joins the ranks of the sane, against the islamification of Europe and the West.

ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AT THE BERLIN FILM FESTIVAL

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/14/armenian-genocide-at-the-berlin-film-festival/

Okay, here's something we can do in our respective towns. If the Turks start rioting, we can print flyers with links to the stories of the Armenian Genocide, and also Jihad Watch. Lots of people discovered the truth about Islam after the Danish cartoon riots. So it will be if the Turks riot.

"When I was a boy," (said the old man in a creaky voice, waggling his finger...)

When I was a boy I remember being told by my grandmother to clean my plate.

"Remember the starving Armenians!" she'd say.

I had no idea who these people were and didn't care. Now I do. They deserve to be remembered.

Thanks, Gramma.

Threats, again threats. Turkey, we remember did not allow US Army to enter Iraq via its territory. Is Turkey such a valuable ally? It wants to become part of EU. It is not European, never has been. Then, what about setting up a Kurdish state? Mention it to the Turks, just in passing. Remember though that Kurds are also Moslems--even if they are not Arabs. Makes no difference though, Turks vs. Kurds, another rift in the ummah. The more cracks it has, the sooner it will crumble.

Dan,

You said,

"We used Turkey during the Cold War. Though it suited the interests of Turkey as well. So though we got something out of it, they did as well."

We should not feel guilty if we use a Moslem country and it gets nothing out of it. Use 'em and dump 'em. Loyalty is only for fellow non-believers-in-Islam.

"Ally" or not, "friend" or not, every Moslem country is the enemy of us non-Moslems. That is the way we must treat them, that i sthe way we must feel about them.

Moslems are the enemy
Turks are Moslems
Therefore, Turks are the enemy

A little Aristotelian logic makes it simple.

You bring the Kemalist factor, the secularism of some of the educated Turks and of the Army and you complicate matters.

Regarding them as enemies does not mean we must attack them, but it does mean that we cannot trust them. They are our enemies. They are liars (about the Armenian genocide) as are all Islamics.

Turkish Foreign Minister Gül: "We cannot contain the public" if U.S. Congress acknowledges Armenian genocide.

I don't know what Gul is so worried about - chances of the US ever doing anything that might 'offend' their valuable ally are close to 0. I mean, how else could anyone explain why, after 3000 people were slaughtered on 9/11, the US stills schmoozes up cosily to Saudi Arabia, given that the country exports its venomous hatred in the form of jihadist kamikazi's to slaughter non muslims around the world. Unfortunately, oil politics plays a more important role than human lives when it comes to western foreign policy.

...Muslims hate the truth....Ban Muslim Immigration ....

What if Bush vetoes the bill? He wants Turkey in the EU.

"What if Bush vetoes the bill? He wants Turkey in the EU."
Posted by: CGW

Good question. What if? Imagine talking to someone severely ill with cancer due to a toxic exposure, a poisoning by an enemy. The victim says between gasps, "Let people know, so this can't happen again". You solemnly swear, "I will". Then you not only forget about it, except for the few who recall that you swore and nag you about it on the anniversary every year, meanwhile consort with that enemy to elevate their stature, even helping them gain advantages over your other friends. But wait, there's more! YOU are the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES. YOU can veto bills to make SURE it is forgotten forever. What do you think that does to the soul of such an individual?

That's what if. Refer to post 349861 above.

jsla wrote:
"I think those swarthy Turks will deeply regret this latest stupidity "

'Swarthy' = dark. So that's why you hate them. A racist redneck like yourself would presumably hate Armenians too, on the same basis.

jsla then wrote:
"They stink. (and they literally DO stink!)"

Well... Americans are fat and uneducated. ner ner!

ref the jsla-schmegel spat breaking out above, most of the Turks i have met have actually been a lot paler than just about all of the Armenians i have met.
very many Turks have a large proportion of European blood in their veins (not because of slavery, hush no !) and regard Armenians as 'coloured'.
a smaller number of Turks have a large proportion of Armenian blood in their veins, and often wonder why their Turkish brothers look down on them.
incidentally, an Armenian once told me that his language was most closely related to Gujarati.

Yo Schmegel,aka:gollum- "Ya ever been in a Turkish Prison?"(channeling Peter Graves)

Seriously, bro, "Racist Redneck"?! That's quite a clever and dare I say,ORIGINAL retort and it only took you about eight hours to respond to jsla's last comment with that whopper. How about a few constructive takes on the valid points by that poster,or any others for that matter,on this sensitive topic? Assuming of course you BELIEVE this genocide even occured,because reality is soooo subjective now ain't it? Time to eat another rotten fish and play with your "precious."

G.C. Scott,

Loved your post. Love your handle too. My mother dated G.C. Scott when she was in HS. He was a great guy! Please post more of your cleaver comments.

Never_Submit

never_submit,

tks, :) I seldom go trolling,but can't resist 'cause I've got a blood link to the genocide.