Two Chicago men arrested on charges of planning, recruiting for "violent jihad"

The two cousins are both American citizens.

American-born - perhaps. Naturalized with American passports - maybe. But.. AMERICANS? **NEVER**!

They should NOT ever be referred to as Americans.

This islamic filth is anything but American.

Thank God we keep arresting these people, these pieces of garbage should be sent away for life, they don't deserve the luxuries of Guantanamo...

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
respect terrorists
.

Nothing stinks worse than a traitor.

Yeah, I like that; "American Citizens," that really debases the term Citizens doesn't it ? Send em to Club Gitmo where they can relax, think about Jihad all day.

i just googled my monikers a little.. seems like they have decided to censor my moniker "allahfanculo".

That is not a surprise to me. it is instead an honor. WE WILL DEFEAT THIS FASCIST BEAST that goes by the name of islam!!

The devil goes in many gowns and guises.. Hitler, Stalin, Chomeini are major forms that we all know about. Then there are the minor satans like the Satan Arabian I mean SOWdi arbian "princelings".. and our own backstabbing quislings.. Vichysoises...

Oh I am SO mad i cannot go on!!!

Someone hand me a flamethrower QUICK!!!!

Where there is Islam, there is terrorism. And, now, I guess we can behold the new crop of folks who are voting 'straight Democratic ticket'...

Thank God we keep arresting these people, these pieces of garbage should be sent away for life, they don't deserve the luxuries of Guantanamo...

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
respect terrorists
.
Posted by: USpace

Yes.. respect them while they cut the heads off anyone who falls into their evil mahometan hands..

scrualla:

Yes I agree, I am so frickin angry. But you know, we are castrated by our own fears. We all fear the Government will use whatever we say against us if we were to say more than just pokeing our finger into the air. And we all know that finger pokeing
will never be enough to stop, or even slow, the progress of the islamites. We see that in Dearborn, where Sheria law is being used there in the community, we know this, but not one of us will step forward. It is going to get far worse by my thinking. perhaps we should all learn to gracefully bow, and learn a few verses from the ko-ran.

"American citizen" does not mean "American." These Islamic enemies of the United States--as it stands under our Constitution, not as they want it to be: an Islamic nation--can gain citizenship by either being born here or by (falsely) swearing to uphold the Constitution during a naturalization ceremony.

Whether they are or aren't American citizens doesn't mean squat. Their loyalty to the United States--as it is presently constituted--is what counts.

Another home grown imam, threatening the country that gave him the freedom to speak.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/186642.php

Someone wrote up that this Islamic filth
, these pieces of garbage should be sent away for life, they don't deserve the luxuries of Guantanamo...

I agree.

The Muslims have such sick ideas on killing innoncent people that what they got in Guantanamo is really a luxury. I am pissed when human rights people complain about Guantonomo.
Imagine if the Islamics had captured prisoners from us or our allies. Do the human rights group really think thay would have treated the prioners humanely.
They would probbly have made Guantanomo look like a picnic becasue they are so barabric.

Barabric people understand only one language ,i.e their own langiage of terorr and that should be what they get. Not the 5 star treatment of Guantonomo.

Now there are two less parasitic ticks on the big dog's back...

Not very clever these muslims...are they!
The bastards keep on getting caught!,its a jewish conspiracy i bet...

Oh joy, some more low self esteem imports looking to be sheiks and let other idiots die for their glory.

Thanks for posing, Marisol. Scary, to say the least.

Best wishes,

Derrick Abdul-Hakim

No reason to celebrate.

Most jihadis, after years of trials and appeals, and millions in court costs, if they are even convicted, are simply returned home to their respective terrorist countries like the ksa (right jorgé)?

From there they continue jihad in another capacity like killing American troops or re-entering the USA under a different Nom de Guerre, courtesy of bush al-saud's numerous "refuge" programs.

"They" haven't even named the enemy.
"They" aren't even trying to look as if they are trying to fight the enemy.
"They" have lost the "war" in iraq.

"They" have an agenda and you aren't part of it, except for dying in a mall, a refinery fire, a Jewish community center, a SF sidewalk, a NC campus, a U of O stadium, or a BART train.

Islam is global, jihad is global, and so is the bush al-saud administration.

. . . "to commit terrorist acts against Americans overseas, including U-S military" . . . (not safe to for Americans to vacation in the ME;
U-S military is prepared & equipped; nothing to worry about - anybody seen the remote?).

. . . "wage "violent jihad" against Americans and locating sites for training them in the use of firearms, explosives and hand-to-hand combat." (What? against Americans here, at home, or just overseas? Training here on American soil? - hmmmm, maybe there'll be something on the 10 o'clock news - make a note to buy more beer and Doritos - where's that remote.)

Thanks for posing, Marisol. Scary, to say the least.

I don’t know if Mr. Abdul-Hakim needs lessons in spelling, or manners.

Islam is global, jihad is global, and so is the bush al-saud administration.

Posted by: Arm A. Geddon at February 21, 2007 10:35 PM

Bingo! Most Americans do not realize that dangerous as Jihad is, their president, commander-in-chief and 'leader of the free world' is thoroughly compromised by perto-dollars even before he and his prother manipulated the presidential elections, knowing well that wealth comes from 'Saudi oil' and power comes from 'votes'... Country and countrymen (and women) be damned!. Constitution is only a piece of parer, isn't it Sheikh George Al-Bush?

Blog onto masada1234.blogspot.com . This new blog is dedicated to the State of Israel's fight against militant Islam. COme and post your comments.

*Sigh*

Pez, pez, pez....

Slow down, no need to cock your gun that fast. You could have easily deduced that (i) a simple typo was made, (ii) Mr Abdul-Hakim was too lazy to re-read his post, or (iii) that Mr Abdul-Hakim made a typo and forgot to re-read his post. The options are not exhaustive, nonetheless they're more convincing than the suggestion you gave. Marisol isn't posing, so apparently, it would follow, that I meant 'posting' rather than posing. To avoid further re-inventions of Pez' wheel, the sentence intends to say:

Thanks for posting, Marisol. Scary, to say the least.

The sentence was a congratulatory remark to Marisol for *posting* such information out of Chicago.

"Authorities say 27-year-old Zubair Ahmed of North Chicago and 26-year-old Khaleel Ahmed of Chicago were arrested today. A grand jury in Cleveland returned an indictment charging them and three others who had already been facing terrorism charges."

I suppose the conventional thing to do is rant against Zubair and his cousin, Khaleel and all the other would-be terrorists in this country.

But the fact is that these two Bums know what they believe, they know what crimes their beliefs require them to commit, and they're perfectly ready and willing to commit them.

But whenever I read stories like this, my anger is directed at the political, social, intellectual and religious leaders of this country.

They claim to be Americans. They claim to belive in the ideals and principles that are the foundations of our civilization, but what do they really believe in?

They are so enthralled by the dogmas of Multiculturalism and diversity, that they are paralyzed in the face of the most obvious dangers to our country and way of life.

The very leaders who are supposed to be protecting us, are the very ones that act as appologists for the people we should be protected against, and thay seem determined to import even more of the bums in order to satisfy our countries critical need for more diversity.

We can be thankful that this generation of leaders weren't around on December 7, 1941. I have no doubt they would have called the Japanese attackers "moderates" and that Shintoism was really a "peaceful religion", and then proceeded to give the whole store away.

As for the two Chicago Bums they caught, I can only paraphrase General Patton after catching a soldier sleeping on duty, "well, get back down there, you're the only sonofabitch in this headquarters that knows what he's doing."

too much talk guys, what happened to "USA USA USA"????????????

i'll give the USA about another 5 yrs before it starts it's dissent into a similar path as the UK.

This man knows the truth, speaks the truth. Who is listening? Is it too late already?
(Pasted for your convenience)

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21264602-7583,00.html
Raphael Israeli: Muslim apologist, thy name is coward
It's not racist to question whether Islamists can integrate into Western society
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February 22, 2007

AS an Israeli, one becomes used to the bias of the world's media and the frustrations of being misrepresented in the face of hysteria. But as a visiting academic to the land of the fair go, I didn't expect to find the same thing here.
At the end of last week, the Australian Jewish News interviewed me about my research into Muslim communities in Europe. Having spent much of my life studying and writing about this subject, I was asked by a reporter about my views and how relevant they were to Australia. He pressed me as to whether the violence that Europe was experiencing with its Muslim population could happen here.
I said it could happen anywhere, including Australia, that Muslim immigration occurred unchecked.

The response in the media has been less than friendly. Sydney radio broadcaster Mike Carlton and The Sydney Morning Herald implied that I was a racist, and I have been denounced by some leaders of the Jewish community.

I came to Australia to speak about Islam and the Middle East and to share the fruits of my books and research. But I've been dragged into an argument on a sensational issue that was not part of my schedule here. The many audiences who were to attend my lectures throughout the land were deprived of hearing them, except that private organisations, Jewish and non-Jewish, picked up the sponsorship of those lectures and I will end up giving more lectures than previously planned.

I am vastly rewarded by the multitude of supporting voices and the outpouring of calls and emails, from Jews and non-Jews, in Australia and abroad, and by the pressing queues of learners who've signed up for my classes. (There have also been a few hostile callers, some of whom identified themselves as Muslims or Muslim converts who typically use abusive language instead of a civilised voice of reason.)

I have been researching Islam in Europe and have come to some disturbing findings about the new third Islamic invasion of Europe: specifically, the Muslim neighbourhoods that breed violence and trouble and the home-grown European Muslims who have sworn to change Europe to their tune, to Islamise it and to use violence, if necessary, to that end.

So much so that erstwhile proponents of immigration such as France, The Netherlands and Britain have had to revise their laws, introduce new restrictions and shelve the marvellous utopia of multiculturalism as simply unfeasible and counterproductive.

There is nothing racist about adopting those policies, much less about describing them in a scholarly fashion. Moreover, it's fair, honest and educative to infer from those data to other parts of the Western world, such as Australia, which face the same issues.

I do not wish to play the victim and I appreciate that Australia is noted for robust debate. But when a scholar who has no axe to grind honestly describes and analyses what policy-makers in Europe have done, and draws a straightforward conclusion about Australia, to be abused and branded as a racist is extraordinary.

Shouts and abuse are not a policy, nor do they encourage public debate. If someone wishes to dismiss data by providing alternative sets of facts and arguments, that is a debate, but by shooting the messenger instead of addressing the issue, no public cause is served. It is a fact that since 2000, Jewish facilities were attacked by Muslims in Europe and Australia, but never the other way around. To state that is racism?

Some, of course, prefer to hide behind hollow slogans of "inter-communal harmony", "inter-faith co-operation" and "multiculturalism" instead of exposing Muslim violence and inflammatory rhetoric and act, together with Muslim moderates, to uproot these phenomena.

Aware of the European parallel, I am neither surprised by the Muslim leaders' attempts to shut off any debate in Australia and intimidate anyone who raises his voice against such actions, nor by the Australian press complicity in that process. Only yesterday I received threats from a Chechen Islamic website. So much for civilised debate.

But I am stunned by the behaviour of some Jewish leaders, who didn't seek to find out what I had said but instead relied on a report in the Australian Jewish News that misrepresented the context (not distorted or falsified) of what I said. Instead of supporting free debate in this country, these Jewish leaders have elected to shamefully disown it in statements that were geared to placate Muslims.

People who lack courage and stamina to stand up for principles, who whisper in my ear that they agree with me but then act in public to protect their positions and the illusions they are trying to cultivate in this society, do not act in a Jewish, Australian or even civilised fashion.

Raphael Israeli, a professor of Islamic, Middle East and Chinese history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, has been brought to Australia by the Shalom Institute of the University of NSW.

Bar Kochba
I pasted it into google: nothing came up. Can you please check the link?

Gramfan

next time just give them the finger.

Hi Gramfan, Lion Heart is a good site. Another good English site is:
http://uppompeii.blogspot.com/

leonthepigfarmer and EnglishBlondie
Thanks, guys:))

pythagoras, you said....Where there is Islam, there is terrorism.
That is so true, yet from the way our world leaders handle them, it is as thought they want them to win...what with the left and the media who seems to want to back anything that is against us we dont seem to have much hope...funny thing is that all these people will be slaughtered when Islam comes to town.
We are continually told that there is only a very small number of Muslims who are terrorists!!!!, and if this is so then they must be letting them all out of jail very quickly so as the terrorist can do their dirty work again because we hear of thousands getting caught, and there must be many more thousands that we know nothing about and who dont get caught,????...
We the normal people out there know that there is more than a small number of Muslims who are terrorist, other wise we would hear of the outrage from the other 99% of muslims who would be trying to stop them, but there is NO outrage from Muslims at all thus I have come to the conclusion that there is only a small number of Muslims who are NOT in favour of this behaviour. Perhaps this is because there are many verses in the quran which says that they are to slaughter all who will not submit.... We have to remember that what we count as terrorists they count them as freedom fighters, and that they are fighting for the cause of Allah which is to take the WHOLE world for Allah so as no other religion exists. Terrorists are thus honoured people, they are praised by the majority of Muslims. And they laugh at how stupidity and our leaders who are bending over backwards to protect them while they deceive us and do their dirty work, our leaders seem to be blind to the trouble that they cause world wide..... Strange that no other religion causes trouble and Muslims cant seem to get along with anyone else..

I am so sorry that you were treated this way... I am afraid that the left and the media haven't learnt from their mistakes, they seem to be hell bent on destroying us, I think bringing in socialism is more important to them than a democracy and they dont care about what the people want as they think that they know better, and just like Islam they will walk all over anyone to implement socialism which although people dont realise, it is almost the identical twin of communism.
You also said that Jewish facilities were attacked by Muslims in Europe and Australia, and this is so true. Recently my husband applied for the Principal of a Jewish school on the North side of Brisbane in the third term of last year, and no address was given only a PO box number, and of course you and I know why.

My husband has been a Principal of both private and state schools, and I have to say that we were very disappointed that they didn't have the decency to reply to tell us that they had chosen someone. We know that they had received his application as he rang to find out.. When my husband was a principal, he always replied to people just out of curtsy . Not only was it the correct thing to do but indignity and a good name is also important, so it is obvious that even amongst religious Jews that they have lost all the manners of what society used to have, and although their own have been slaughtered by Muslims for 1400 years they pretend to be religious but dont really care.. They will have a lot to answer to when they meet their God....

.....I suspect that Zubair Ahmed and Khaleel Ahmed are not their given names, I smell converts in the air...Typical low life who hate the American way of life and are too lazy to put forth the effort to be responsible Americans...I suspect they may even hate "whitey." .... Those who convert to Islam generally are two brick short of a full load...

....of couse, like the "Miami jihadists" who plotted to blow up skyscrapers in Chicago, they will say everything is taken "out of context." ....

....we need to drastically change the way we deal with jihadists caught plotting the death of Americans or the destruction of American institutions and destruction of the American way of life....

....our government continues to show poor damage control...our school systems (which are actually government institutions anyway),continue to allow detrimental conversions and allowances to pander to the Islamic way of life....it is all disgusting.....immediate changes need to be made...

...stiffer sentences, deportations and a ban on Muslim immigration are all in order.....

Don't fret about these traitors going to the clink where they belong; CAIR will spring them from the joint in about a week with a Presidential pardon and reparations from the US taxpayer!

They're in

Chicago,
Lodi,
San Diego,
Salt Lake City,
Kissimee,
Orlando,
Dearborn,
Detroit,
Minneapolis,
Kansas City,
West Plains, MO
St. Charles,
Lewiston, ME
New York,
Brooklyn,
Queens,
suburbs of Washington, D.C.
Chapel Hill,
Atlanta,
Nashville,
Houston

and within 10 miles of you right now.

It's not just guns they will use. Whatever is available. They are opportunistic and have the mindset of a sociopathic predator -- since they consider the world's most successful as the 'perfect man' to emulate.

The seed is in every believer and these days they are germinating in fertile American soil.

s_sgt7

Are there any mosque open houses in the Bay Area coming up?

WEAPONS TRAINING AND SMALL ARMS MAINTENANCE IS FUNDAMENTAL TO AMERICAN TRADITION. IDEOLOGY THESE DAYS IS A HEAVEY WORD PACKED WITH POWER. YOUNG MEN YEARN TO FIGHT, THAT'S WHY WE JOIN GANGS AND MILITARY INSTITUTIONS. THE ONLY TIME THERE IS A PROBLEM IS WHEN THE TWO, GUNS AND IDEOLOGY ARE COMBINED. REALITY IS THAT IN TODAY'S WORLD THERE IS A STRUGGLE FOR THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF FREETHINKING INDIVIDUALS. GUNS, BABY GUNS, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW THIS IS FROM A TWO TIME IRAQI "FREEDOM" COMBAT VET. WE LIVE FOR THE FIGHT, AND WHEN WE MIX IDEOLOGY WE BECOME WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION FOR EXECUTIVE DECISIONS. THIS PARTICULAR WAR IN IRAQ GOT YOU ALL SHOOK. AS AN INFANTRYMAN I'M LAUGHING, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT REALLY GOES ON IN THE WORLD. LET ALONE THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH WE LIVE. WHERE WERE WE BEFORE COLUMBINE, CO. AND OKLAHOMA? STOP BEING REACTIONARY IS MY ADVICE, BE PROACTIVE AND LET MEN DO MANLY THINGS. YOU ARE NOT THE REASON FOR A WORLDWIDE PARADIGM SHIFT, INFACT THE WORLD POPULATION OF OPPRESSED PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AGIGTATED FOR A LONG TIME NOW ALA CHE' AND MANY OTHERS FOR EXAMPLE.THANKYOU FOR THE INSIGHT.