The principal preacher from the Dispatches documentary responds to criticism of his inflammatory remarks. You guessed it: his remarks were taken "out of context." If any of these guys ever admits to being quoted in context, I will faint dead away.
"Radical cleric praises bin Laden," from the Evening Standard, with thanks to Twostellas:
A radical Islamic cleric is operating at the heart of the community where police foiled an alleged plot to kidnap and murder a British soldier.Abu Usamah, 42, has been accused of preaching inflammatory anti-Western sermons at the Green Lane Mosque in Birmingham, close to the homes of several suspects arrested last week.
Usamah, an American convert to Islam, has told worshippers Osama Bin Laden is "better than a million George Bushes and a thousand Tony Blairs" and that non-Muslims are "pathological liars".
In another sermon he said Christians and Jews were "kuffaars" (non-believers) and the enemies of Islam. "
No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar," he said.
Usamah - who also claims women have "deficient" intellects and that gays should be "thrown from a mountain" - preaches that Britain should become an Islamic state.
And although he claims to condemn terrorism, he has predicted that "the time is fast approaching" when Muslims will win the jihad, or holy war, against non-believers.
His radical preaching was exposed in a recent documentary by Channel 4's Dispatches programme....
Usamah, who lives near the mosque, has not held one of his monthly sermons since the arrests were made and was unavailable for comment yesterday.
But both he and those who run the mosque insist his comments have been taken out of context.
Usamah claims he encourages Muslims to "peacefully coexist here in the UK with non-Muslims" and that it was the "religious duty of all Muslims to obey UK law".
Sure, but for how long?
Did anyone ask the imam for an explanation of the context that his taped statements should be taken in? In other words, did anyone think to ask him what the recorded statements really meant?
We all understand the English language and some of us are native speakers like this fellow. It sounded pretty plain to me what the context should be. I'd like to know what circumstances to put around the statements that would somehow make them 'okay'. ????
Isn't it amazing how the "fearless muslim warrior" always begins backpedaling the moment somebody threatens to beat the crap out of him?
Are things like this happenning in London schools too? If it were what are the connecting dots?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23384311-details/Pupils+aged+five+%27poisoned%27+at+Islamic+school+that+%27teaches+hate%27/article.do
Anway its all lies how could this be a epidemic?
Head in the sand move along.
"Usamah claims he encourages Muslims to 'peacefully coexist here in the UK with non-Muslims' and that it was the religious duty of all Muslims to obey UK law".
-- from the article above
Let's do a close reading of that.
He claims he "encourages Muslms to 'peacefully coexist here in the UK with non-Muslims.'" My, my. Should non-Muslims be grateful for that? Should they be heartened that he actually encourages Muslims to "coexist here in the UK with non-Muslims"? One would have thought no encouragement would be necessary, that Muslims, like all others, would simply know that if they arrive in the UK, or grew up in it, they have a duty as citizens to "co-exist" with others. It is not their choice. Apparently a good many Muslms think otherwise, for why else would Abu Usamah point out that he has to "encourage" these Muslims, in the United Kingdom, a country whose history, and achievements, are entirely the product of non-Muslims, and whose legal and political institutions, are the result of long effort, over time, entirely by non-Muslims, and whose rights guaranteed to individuals are entirely the product of a non-Muslim society (in a Muslim society the rights guaranteed to individuals, including freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and legal equality of minroties, and of men and women, would be unthinkable).
Having announced something that, in its mere announcing, raises questions about the natural bent and beliefs of Muslims, one arrives at this phrase, tacked on at the end, about not only "encouraging" Muslims to obey the law, but that it is the "religious duty" of Muslms to obey the "UK law." Why the "religious duty"? Why not merely the duty of Muslim citizens of the UK, JUST LIKE ALL OTHER CITIZENS, to obey the law of the United Kingdom? Why not put it that way?
The reason is that there is no such duty. Muslims have a duty only to further Islam, that is to engage in Jihad, or in any other activities that will promote, at once or in the long term, the goal of Jiahd to spread Islam until it everywhere dominates and Muslims rule everywhere. At the moment, it is the time for taqiyya and tu-quoque. At the moment, in Western Europe, it is time for softly-softly so as not to further alarm those Infidels who give signs of wakening from their deep dream of false peace. It is a "religious duty" to do nothing to impair, but rather to promote, the Jihad. For the moment, Abu Usamah may recognize, it is best if Muslims in Western Europe play along, and are those good, law-abiding citizens we hear so much about. As far as he is concerned, there is no duty owed the Infidel nation-state, no need to observe its laws out of a sense of being a good citizenship. Certainly no loyalty is owed that Infidel nation-state. But it is a "religious duty" to further the Jihad, and sometimes that means -- as in this case -- actually obeying, for a while, those Infidel laws that have no real legitimacy in Muslim eyes.
And why should they? That would not make sense, from the viewpoint of Believers.
Nothing this puke said has been taken out of context. He said what he meant.
I saw the whole documentary, and for anyone who doesn't live in the UK they can view the program called "Undercover Mosque" here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo
And, if you are so inclined, you can see the response to the program by the Imam Usamah here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20wq6gCpgb4
I saw his entire response, which was pure double-talk and propaganda, mixed with heavy (and badly pronounced) doses of Quranic quotes. He uses every device imaginable to muddy the waters and back-peddle on what he said when filmed with a hidden camera. In other words, he says to kill non-Muslims under hidden camera, then on camera doesn't deny what he said, but says it was taken out of context because the Qur'an says blah blah blah.
It is really amazing to me that the British don’t see the growing menace from their own Muslim population as well as from Muslims abroad. They are so mired in multiculturalism and political correctness that it seems impossible for them to even perceive the danger, much less defend themselves. Of course, since it is now a crime in England to use force against someone who breaks into your home and also a crime to say something bad about Islam, what do we expect; the emasculation has pretty much been accomplished, hasn’t it? Stupidity and denial this great deserves a special reward and I’m afraid that reward is rushing closer each day.
According to a recent report on CBNnews.com, a gigantic Mosque London Mayor Ken Livingstone is pushing to be built in East London, the “London Markaz,” will be the biggest Mosque outside the Middle East, will occupy a 17 acre complex and have room for 70,000 Muslims to pray together. According to this article this Mosque is to be built by the very “shadowy group called Tablighi Jaamat,” which has been linked by the FBI to al-Qaeda and is also linked to shoe bomber Richard Reid and two of the 7/7/bombers. Funds to construct the Mosque will be “coming from the Middle East.” My guess is that UK Muslims are just getting a head start so that all the conquered and converted Englishmen they expect to have under their domination soon will have a place to worship Allah.
I'm sick of hearing this thing about 'religious duty', it's a civil duty to obey the laws of the land applicable equally to all, not qualified by cultural/religious considerations.
This sounds like they are doing us a favour. Like it's a choice.
...but breed until you outnumber the British.
...which we're actively planning to supplant with Shariah, inshallah.
Greek Fire wrote: and that it was the "religious duty of all Muslims to obey UK law"
...which we're actively planning to supplant with Shariah, inshallah.
You nailed it. Imam Ussamah has stated on several ocassions that there is no law higher than Shari'a law. So what he left out in his "reply" was to "obey UK law unless it contradicts Shari'a law and the teachings of Islam."
"It is really amazing to me that the British don’t see the growing menace from their own Muslim population as well as from Muslims abroad."
Who are "the British" mentioned here? All of them? In the sense that no British person sees the problem and e.g. "the Americans" -- i.e. all the Americans -- see it? Phrasing it like that shows the utter vacuity of the claim.
England will be up in flames before this century is over we may not see it in our life time but it is so obvious what is coming.
There would be no Islamic extremism problem in Britain if there were no Islam in Britain.
Yeah, I'm sure the Monarchy is going to bow down to Islam; maybe tomorrow, yeah. Couldn't you just imagine what the queen would look like with a burka on ? LoL.
Someone needs to teach them about context.
Non muslims are pathological liars? "No one loves the Kaffaar. Not a single person loves the Kaffaar." Silly,silly abu, your pathological pants are on fire cause I love the Kaffaar!
Forgive me for my above posting. In my haste and defensiveness I fear I had forgotten that on the day of abu's sermon,it was "opposite" day. (I humbly retract the "silly" statement.)
hey don't worry, everyone was too busy watching and debating the "big brother show" to be concerned with a revolution growing within our country by islamic fascists.
Posted by: Jeff
Couldn't you just imagine what the queen would look like with a burka on ? LoL.
Well her wing nut offspring Charly would look better in one
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/07/frigging-jerks.html
Abu Usamah--Islamic "cleric:"
" . . . Christians and Jews were "kuffaars" (non-believers) and the enemies of Islam. "
"No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar. We hate the kuffaar," he said.
Out of context? Same old excuse. Not accepted.
You hate us? well, guess what? We have no use for you. We do not like you Moslems, we do not respect you Moslems, we do not respect Islam, and we couldn't care less whether you like that or us.
you will not change our minds with your da'awa nor with your lies and deceptions.
We got your number, Moslems. "Out of context," "koran must be read in original Arabic," no longer works. You have to come up with something new to try and convince us that you are not our sworn enemies.
If there are those among you Moslems who want to show us that you are "moderates," that we should trust you, then you should be able to gain (or regain if you like) control of your ideology--especially if you "moderates" outnumber the jihadis.
"He's taken out of context,
He wasn't preaching hate,
He only meant that gays should
Be killed in Muslim states.
Don't kill the gays in Britain
Or even apostates -
Instead let's work on making
UK a Muslim state."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Tk5PMSiYI.
Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
Strange. When I watched this sickening, ugly, arrogant creep spewing his hatred on video, his words and his intent were crystal clear to me. This "out of context" BS is getting really old.