I hope this project succeeds. Of course, it is based on the assumption that the jihadists are interpreting Islam's texts improperly. While that may be true, it is noteworthy that neither Muslims in Britain nor those elsewhere have mounted any large-scale challenge to the jihadist interpretation, which hews closely to those texts and presents itself as "pure Islam."
"Pilot projects target extremism," by Dominic Casciani for the BBC, with thanks to Wayne:
Pilot projects to root out Islamist extremists grooming young Muslims are being planned for British cities.The government says local authorities will be able to bid for £5m for trial schemes to help Muslim communities tackle the threat of extremism.
Local groups are being asked to come up with ideas for projects such as anti-extremism forums.
Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly said the battle for hearts and minds could only be won at grassroots level....
Some of the new groups holding talks in Whitehall have urged ministers to shift their focus from major government-initiated projects on extremism to grassroots action.
Up to 50 local authorities are now being asked to work with Muslim communities to come up with schemes that could be repeated nationwide.
'New partnership'
"We need a new, strengthened partnership and unity of purpose to isolate those who seek to divide us," said Ms Kelly.
"There are many people in Muslim communities who are already taking a brave stand and doing incredible work. It's important we do more to support them specifically through local authorities and organisations who know their communities best."
Among the ideas being floated are schemes to target alienated young men who may be vulnerable to grooming by extremists because they do not attend local mosques, have jobs or go to college.
Another proposal is a network of local anti-radicalisation forums which would be charged with countering extremist street politics and interpretations of holy texts.
The government also wants to see leadership projects for Imams and Muslim women alongside training and information for Islamic institutions to help them spot the warning signs.
Khurshid Ahmed, chairman of the British Muslim Forum, based in the West Midlands, said he welcomed the change in government tactics - but added that more needed to be done, particularly to support young Muslims trying to run their own deradicalisation programmes....
"But we need a lot more money than this. Extremism is like a virus that needs a very strong dose of vaccine in order to be dealt with. While £5m is a start, we could spend £5m in Birmingham alone...."
Much more could and should be done -- by Muslims, in the mosques, without any government money at all.
How much more money are we going to waste on such foolhardy projects devised for assimilating Muslims?
"Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly said the battle for hearts and minds could only be won at grassroots level.... "
There is only one way to reach the "hearts and minds" of Moslems indoctrinated by the koran.
Money ain't gonna do it.
Nice try, but it won't work.
Just the life of muhammad tells it all, or does anybody think that the hadiths and all the other books going to be reinterpreted too.
It's like joining the taqiyya.
The "good muslims are good despite their ideology(religion) and not because of it"
To leave this ideology is the only way for them not to be guilty of that what's will be coming up. To convert would serve them best though.
In meanwhile a bomb in thailand to welcome the princess in the south.
http://www.civoc.com/society/2007/02/07/thailand-was-this-bomb-for-the-princess/
As Muslims we believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to people of the scriptures. Islam is the true religeon and if you fully read the Quran it will become very apparent to you. If you are not willing to really seek out the truth, then let your way be your way and our way be ours.
Islam is a mental disorder, Get rid of the Qur'an and you might be able to free some Muslims from the political indoctrination and mind control the Inmans and Mullah have over the Muslim youth. Do young Muslims ever participate in visiting the elderly in nursing homes,? do they ever participate in community clean up programmes,? do they ever participate in projects such as habitat for humanity house buildings,? do they ever participate in oil spill clean ups,? do they ever donated their time working in a humane shelter for animals,? can they do anything without resorting to the violence as instructed in the Qur'an.?
As long as Muslims follow the Qur'an to the letter, they will be prone to a life of violence and death. (not to mention bouncing your head on the floor five times a day).
I notice Muslims youth are mostly unemployed..Does this indicate they are poor employees or they cannot pass employer requirements. Do they prefer to be unemployed..
The Qur'an has been an evil text since its inception, The sooner the Muslims understand this and start making plans to change it or discard it in order the join the 21st century the better their life will be...
Islam is a mental disorder, the instructions to permently instill this disorder is found in the Qur'an. The Muslim clerics have had 1400 years to perfect the Qur'ans mind control doctrine..(Islam is not a religion, it is mind control or domination of the masses). The Qur'an is evil...No amount of money will change it, change must come from the Muslims as individuals who take an active role in routing out the radicals who dwell in their mist...I have seen very few Muslims who question the Muslim violence.....They accept it as their destiny....
By your fruits we know you.
Go back to the deserts where you belong to, all of you. That is where allah has placed you, your cages, your homes, and never ever try to touch civilized nations again.
To much is to much.
UK project to target jihadists, challenge their interpretation of Qur'an
To quote Robert Spencer - "Good luck with that".
Too little, too late.
And too stupid for words.
The only thing one can find at the grassroots level is the dirt it grows in - in this case islam and the koran.
Dominic.
ronstead posted: If you are not willing to really seek out the truth, then let your way be your way and our way be ours.
I whole heartedly agree with the above. Now kindly get yourself and your muslim folks out of our countries, and
Good morning Dominic,
Friends?
Did you too get a slap on the wrist by Ms Poppins?
BTW, Daffyd Thomas is from Llandewi Breffi.
ronstead..and good luck and may your god go with you.
I think that it is time for Muslims to go back to their own lands where Allah required them to be. Their presence in the West is getting to be not just unpleasant, but a downright menace to our way of life.
Needless to say, as the pernicious doctrine of Islam is brought to light, it will become increasingly apparent to all that something has to be done. As the population gets more aware, there will be more raids of Muslim houses, mosques and madrassas, and they will happen at all odd hours of the day and night. The wails of ‘persecution’ etc will be ignored as the Muslim community has shouted “wolf” once too often.
What we see now i.e. this £5m is just a start. This measly £5m is just a pretext for the government to get into the Muslim community. Once in, they will start to interfere in a major way - that is how governments work, they give you a little money, and then they expect nothing but total obedience to dictat.
Muslims have got a lot of purchase in England, and because of that they are under the impression that England is weak. That is how all totalitarians, from Napoleon to Hitler, saw England – a nation of shopkeepers. But it is in England where the sword of totalitarians was broken, and this where the sword of Islam will be broken for good. Needless to say, it will be done in the best possible taste and good manners. If Muslims wish Islam to survive into the 21st century, it is wise for them to leave England and leave it alone. This is a dangerous country for totalitarians.
"foolhardy projects devised for assimilating Muslims?"
Yep, I love it, as anyone can see, it's about assimilation of the minds; the minds of Christians assimilating with Muslims. Isn't this exactly what Islam wants ? You spend all your money trying and fighting, and then after you're weak; off comes your head ?
I see this is all about the Lord's prophesy for slaying a prophet....it's been written so many times. A christian and an islamic are one and the same; "the other is turned inside out." One terroizes the body, the other terrorizes the money.
Jeremiah spoke of the beast out of the north, coming down to slay the people, we thought it was Communist Russia....nah, it was Islam.
I also hope the project succeeds, because as the radicalism grows and more Brits die, the next steps they should take won't involve sending any more pounds to the grassroots.
If there is only one Islam, the violent intolerant Islam we see seeking to dominate, their presence is unwanted and street fighting will surely ensue.
It will involve arrests, deportations, more immigration reforms, and eventual internment of the emboldened Ummah in the UK.
Ronsted: Be nice to have the "your way, my way" thing, but your religious texts won't allow it and that's the truth.WTC attack doesn't help your case much either so the gloves are off.Read the New Testament and learn why you're not only lost, you're doomed to lose the coming battles as well.
Ronsted:
'...then let your way be your way and our way be ours.'
Does that mean you do or you don't want the money?
If you are one of those vulnerable and alienated young men being targeted by extremists then your quids in. 'Take it, it's yours' goes the Public Information ad.
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/02/06/internment-deportations-now/
Everything else is waste of time!
But we need a lot more money than this.
Does money buy minds?
Nice try. Hopefully it works.
Now, how about making sure more "confused" Muslims don't keep coming into the UK (increasing the costs of this new idea) and doing something about immigration?
Money to terrorists and fools is money wasted...
The so-called "moderate Muslims" are not marching against and demonstrating against the Jihadists because they want to see how things turn out. They passively support the Jihadists and give them aid and comfort by their attacks against the Kaffir concerns and fears re the Jihaddists. In fact, I think the moderates root for the Jihadists. In fact, the "moderates" will joint the violent if they are successful in Britain and elsewhere.
The "moderates" will march against the Jihadists after the Kaffirs finally are hit so hard that they have to use extreme force (including nuclear weapons) to bring all to reason. That will clinch the argument. That's where current Jihad events are going to. Meanwhile, I'm surprised the "moderates" are not saying "Islam means the universal practice of the golden rule". Ironically, they don't realize that much of the restraint (and accommodation) that they have experienced with the Kafirs has been because of the Golden Rule. They are blind to the Golden Rule.
What a load of bollocks!
Give more money to the mosques - they will just use it to bring over some more "moderate" preachers from saudi - like the "moderates" that were shown on the dispatches program - a total waste of time and money.
EVERY mosque is a terrorist centre - they should all be closed down for good! but if they must be opened they should be vetted and the Imams all cleared - oh and closed circuit tv installed so we "infidels" can monitor just exactly what is being preeched in them
Suppose a few,or many, young Muslims are carefully shephered through schools which the British government will monitor from top to bottom: every textbook, every teacher, even with tapes of every class that will be reviewed so as to make sure that every teacher -- Muslims all, of course, in Muslim schools -- teaches nothing that would cause pupils to be reminded of:
1) Islam as a belief-system that regulates all areas of life.
2) In Islam, the division of the world between Believer and Infidel is permanent, and requires a state of permanent warfare, though not of permanent fighting at all times, between Muslims and Infidels.
3) That permanent warfare is required because Muslims must always work toward expanding the Domain or House of Islam, the Dar al-Islam, that is those lands where all obstacles to Islam have been removed, and where Islam dominates, and Muslims rule, and therefore to constantly shrink the land area still part of Dar al-Harb, the Domain or House of War, where at the moment Infidels still rule, and Islam does not yet dominate.
4) The Qur'an, and the Hadith, and the Sira, are full of passages, or of details in his exemplary life (a life to be emulated by all Muslims) that inculcate the duty of Jihad, that is the "struggle" to expand the Dar al-Islam. Jihad is a duty for Muslims. It is discussed so often, in so many different parts of the Qur'an, but especially in the later suras, including Sura 9 (the last or second-to-last of those written), that it would be impossible not to find out about it. The Hadith are fully of tales of warfare made by Muhammad on the Unbelievers, warfare, killing of the enemy including those who are bound prisoners, the seizure of their women, the looting of whatever property or food or goods they had, the constant statements about war by Muhammad ("war is deception" being one of the best known) so that his sayings, and his deeds, together amount th a Manual of War.
How does Ruth Kelly, how do all the King's Horses and All the King's Men -- no, make that the Queen's Horses for now, and All the Queen's Men -- propose to keep Muslims all over Great Britain from finding out about these passages in the Qur'an, the Hadith, the Sira? Will they keep the teachers from meeting with students after school? Will they raid their homes to make sure they haven't been receiving the real Qur'an, unbowdlerized -- oh, would they dare, those British authorities, to put out a heavily-censored "Complete Qur'an" or version of the Hadith that is prepared by British bureacrats, and expect that to take the place of Bukhari's authoritative collection, or that of Muslim?
Do they think they will be able to prevent Muslim students from talking to all kinds of other Muslims "in the community"? Will they be able to monitor what magazines or newspapers those Muslim students receive at home, or what their parents tell them, or what they can so easily discover, with a single click, about Islam on the Internet?
Will not such a government program merely waste money, and hold out naive hope for Infidels that this can be done, that Islam can be censored or twisted, or changed, so as to make Great Britain, again, safe for its Infidels -- safe that is from Muslim malevolence, Muslim menace, Muslim notions of Muslim supremacy and claim to the land as, indeed, Muslims do claim, for they believe all the Lands of the Infidels by right belong to them, and it is only a matter of time before those lands do become part of Dar al-Islam, and then there will be nothing else to be -- anywhere! -- but Islam, Islam, Islam.
This act by the British government is to appease those who think they can talk, and pay off the problems with islamists. it will not happen, and the only way to succeed is a military option. Looking back at history, that was the only way that islam was pushed back.
wtf?
this is another tax then...
why don't they raise this money from a tax on moslems?
else, being a democracy, they could put several options to the vote including remove islam from the island to safegaurd everyone from terrorism...
The government says local authorities will be able to bid for £5m for trial schemes to help Muslim communities tackle the threat of extremism.
This is like the old Dept. of Labor CETA grants that paid ghetto youths a wage for hanging out at the gym all day. Except this one won't take trouble off the streets; it'll do the opposite. Paying Moslems to read the sacred Islamic texts can only agitate them into violent protest and Jihad war terror.
Brits: Will the public have access to copies of the grant applications that are submitted? These will be great comedy.
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... we need a lot more money than this. Extremism is like a virus that needs a very strong dose of vaccine in order to be dealt with. While £5m is a start, we could spend £5m in Birmingham alone.
--- Khurshid Ahmed, chairman of the British Muslim Forum
I didn't know there were Palestinians in England.
The UK should hire Hugh and Spencer to instruct the instructors on how to refute the Jihadist augments from Koran & Hadith. A daunting task.
Assalamau Laikum all,
Rather than simply focussing on the Koran...thinks about the lifestyle too. I'd like to see at least the following questions asked?
Perhaps the readers here would like tp answer some of them? Maryam wher are you? I need some help here .
What do you do to feel close to Allah (swt)?
How to you hope to get closer to Allah (swt) through marriage?
What do you want to improve about yourself Islamically?
How many times per day do you pray? What about while at work?
How much Qur’an have you memorized?
How do you determine how to distribute Zakat? How do you give in Sadaqa?
How important do you think it is to only eat Halal meat?
How important do you think it is for women to wear hijab? What about men?
Do you go for jummah prayers?
Do you have non-Muslim friends?
What do you think Muslims should do on Western holidays?
What do you do if there is a conflict between your spouse and your family?
Would you describe the character of your family members?
Under what conditions would you be willing to move to further your or your spouse’s professional growth?
How much time do you spend at work?
Would you encourage/support the idea of me going back to school for advanced degrees?
How do you like to spend your free time?
How would you feel about your spouse having friends of the opposite gender?
Where do you want to live? Why?
Do you want to live in the Amerike or abroad?
How important is it to live in a large Muslim community?
How many children do you want to have?
When do you think you’ll be ready to have children?
What do you think it is important to teach children?
What is your view on raising children? Do you spank?
How will you ensure your children have a good Islamic education?
Do you want your children to grow up bilingual? In what languages apart from Urdu and Arabic?
How many personal savings/checking accounts would you want? Would they all be in an Islamic bank?
Who should be responsible for paying bills?
How much should the goverment social security system help?
How will you determine how much should be spent on the household? On personal items? On charity?
This I believe would tell you a much cleaner, richer picture than simply knowing about the Koran Sharif.
Most Kafirs, upon first encountering Islam, thought it was just another belief system that encouraged the universal practice of the Golden Rule, the acceptance and toleration (everywhere) of "religions" based on the Golden Rule. Now we know how foolish and ignorant we once were re Islam. Islam must dominate. The "Golden Rule" only applies to Muslims. Soon Kafirs will laugh when Muslims say, "Islam means the universal practice and equal acceptance of all religions (even in Saudi Arabia) based on the Golden Rule". Hear the laughter....we are not far from that day when people will openly laugh at such nonsense....
Anyone been to Sparkhill Birmingham? They do not integrate because they do not WISH to integrate.
The so-called 'moderate' muslims do not protest against Bin Laden or terrorism because they do not disagree with it!
I will mess this quote up but someone recently said....
What you have is the jihadists causing problems. The so-called 'moderates' are silently waiting (increasing in numbers) to add to the number of Muslims in the UK.
So, when Muslims are the minority, they bide their time. When they are the majority - all hell breaks loose.
The UK government has its head up its buttocks if it thinks this programme and its expense will do a THING to change or slow the desire for the Islamists to rule the UK. It is their aim to make the UK the first Islamic country in the EU.
Only a matter of time.....if the BNP and the British/Scottish/Welsh/Irish do not take control. It's insane to rely on political leaders that keep kissing up to Islamists.
BTW, it is the same here. We need a third party - a constitution party that is FOR THE PEOPLE.
Nice try, but it won't work.
Just the life of muhammad tells it all, or does anybody think that the hadiths and all the other books going to be reinterpreted too.
Posted by: Arnie at February 7, 2007 05:35 AM
Exactly! As I mentioned in a previous post, Islam, like Communism, is fatally flawed from the inside. It can't be reformed without destroying it in the process. The British government's time and energy would be much better spent in trying to discredit Islam as opposed to reforming it. Discrediting it is far easier than trying to concoct new, incredible explanations to explain away the violent verses of the Koran. All you have to do is point out the sheer loonieness of Mohammed's own statements.
When I see announcements like this I think of the words, "PINK", "Fuzzy", "Warm", "Dialog", "Understanding","Tail Wagging", .........etc.
western infidel/
Sorry, I still have no idea who you are talking about so I googled him. Television, I discovered, is where you are drawing this reference from. I don't even have a television. I gave up on television years ago. It's a waste of time and I prefer real life.
Dominic.
Sounds like jizyah, or welfare to these ears.
Like 80% of Gaza is on European or Western welfare.
Why support another fat muslim ass when they refuse to look at their own ideology, which is abhorrent.
Just cut em out and exclude em. Let them sort themselves out.
Both history and logic should tell us that it's futile to try to defeat the Islamists on theological grounds. Of course, the radicals have the literal words of their sacred texts (like the Quran) on their side. Fundamentalists in all religions always do.
Christian creationists can point right to Genesis and say that when it says that the Earth was created in six days, it means literally six days, and that Eve really was created out of Adam's rib. It's the modernists who have to come up with alternate, sophisticated, nuanced interpretations that it's an allegory or metaphor or mistranslation from Aramaic or whatever.
Historically, modernism never triumphed over fundamentalism by theological argument. It triumphed by pragmatic use of countervailing force. The power of the Christian Church over society during the Middle Ages was finally broken by the rise of technology and capitalism.
Forcing the Muslim world to stand on its own two feet, rather than parasitizing the West via petrodollars, would do more to undercut radicalism than all the abstruse arguments about the doctrine of abrogation or what Mohammed really meant or what this or that Hadith really implies. If the West weren't buying a single drop of oil from the Middle East, the Saudi preachers would still be there but they wouldn't have the global reach they do now.
On a smaller scale, what Britain needs to do is implement strict immigration controls, and implement workfare to replace welfare: No longer will radical imams be allowed to preach hatred while receiving welfare checks from the government. GET A JOB if you want to put food on your family's table--or else leave the country. And if you're working long hours at the British equivalent of McDonald's, you're not going to have time to incite jihad among thousands of Muslims.
Tony Blair and David Cameron should debate the Quran with "extremist" Imams on what it really commands. One side might learn something. Televise it.
"Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly said the battle for hearts and minds could only be won at grassroots level.... "
I guess these puppet idiots need to justify their existence with some government spending and projects.
Another thing many wonder and why it can't work is that muslim can't submit to non-muslim authorities, be it in social life or within work relation.
Friends of mine got tons of money paid from Lybias Gadaffi for building airports, roads etc.
Even truckdrivers were hired from abroad. That time from Europe, where a truck driver at a construction site was able to make 5 - 10,000USD per month. That was 30yeqars ago. This has changed now and they are using Asians instead for 200USD a month.
Not that they have or had no workforce in Lybia, no, it's the ideology that kept and keeps them from subbmitting to non-muslim bosses.
Does anyone think that this has changed. Somebody mentioned above that the unemployment rate is so high amongst muslim in the west, here's the answer.
In case they play obedience, better watch out and take a closer look, you may/will find something irregular.
...It is odd, Infidels understand the Qur'an better than the mindless Islamic followers....
There's a simple question for Muslims to answer. Are you willing to turn against Muslims who preach OR practice violent jihad, which includes making threats against anyone else for his religious beliefs?
This means the imams who never touch explosives are as guilty as the suicide bomber they encourage. Will "peaceful" Muslims turn them out of the mosque and will they lend their support to the local government?
None of this requires money. Just go into the mosque and challenge every person there to pick a side. There's no middle ground, no neutrality. Either you oppose violent jihad or you don't. Either you're willing to live in a country without sharia law and support its institutions or you're not. If you're not on the side of secular law and order or if your ultimate goal is an Islamic state, then please pack up and leave.
"As Muslims we believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to people of the scriptures. Islam is the true religeon and if you fully read the Quran it will become very apparent to you. If you are not willing to really seek out the truth, then let your way be your way and our way be ours."
ronsted,
Sorry, but if you ever really read the Koran and the life of Mohammad, it shoud be very apparent to you that there's something radically wrong.
It's not the rest of the world that has a problem seeking the truth, it's the Islamic world.
As for "....then let your way be your way and our way be ours." That's something any American can buy into, but don't try it in any Muslim country.
If you're not on the side of secular law and order or if your ultimate goal is an Islamic state, then please pack up and leave.
Posted by: PMK
What would be the point of being a muslim if you do not want to spread islam and sharia? Can anyone please answer that question?
"Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly said the battle for hearts and minds could only be won at grassroots level.... "
Dear Ruth,
Didn't your mother teach you not to mess with DoG Poo?
Dog Poo is Dog Poo!
s_sgt7 writes:
Read my post again.
I never mentioned "America." I said "the West."
What I'm proposing is to form a "coalition of the willing," America plus all our allies in Europe and Japan, and anyone else we can get to join us, to boycott OPEC oil. Not one more drop of OPEC oil will we buy. This is the mirror image of the OPEC oil embargo of 1973. The law of supply and demand being what it is, such a boycott would cause the price of OPEC oil to collapse, despite continuing demand by China. In less than two years, the Middle East would be facing economic ruin.
If that fails, then the U.S. should just declare war against Islamism and order the U.S. Navy to blockade the Strait of Hormuz to all shipping. Once supertankers can't get thru the Persian Gulf to the rest of the world, the Middle Eastern oil kingdoms will collapse.
Like that better?
Didn't we already try the "touchy-feely", "hearts-and-minds" route?
But this time, I'm sure they'll get it right, and the vast majority of moderates will step forward to take back the religion of peace from the few radicals who have hijacked it.
But, incidentally, what if at the end of the debate, it is unambiguously clear that the violent interpretation of the Qur'an is the correct one? What then?
An example of Ruth Kelly`s incompetence>>>>>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4615844.stm
Everytime I reread this crap, I come down to the conclusion that the "Brits" are squarely naive !!!
Yeah, I'm sure the Parliment is going to have a devision in the house for an Islamic Department in which to rationalize the existence of Islam within the Monarchy....yeah, it'll happen tomorrow. "Of course that section of the Parliment will have to be built bomb-proof, so it doesn't spill-out all over the streets !"
"But we need a lot more money than this. Extremism is like a virus that needs a very strong dose of vaccine in order to be dealt with. While £5m is a start, we could spend £5m in Birmingham alone...."
Don't trust these mother lodes, how can anyone make these kinds of statements without having actually analyzed how they will plan to solve a very serious problem? They need to have non-Islamic advise to solve Islamic problem. The core of their problem is in the evil Cowran.
If they are going to update Cowran and make it 21st Centuary compatible, then money well spent. Otherwise it would be like giving money to evil Mullahs, as if they don't have enough money.
BTW - they spent about $300M on an Islamic Universitiy in Britain, where did they get that from?
Hopefully this quixotic project will serve to bring the viciousness at the heart of Islam further into the light. More people can then see it for what it is and see how its followers still treat it as the truth. The only sensible course of action from there on will be to outlaw Islam in this country and remove its revolting adherents for good.
this is another government attempt at formulating a socialist police state against the native britons. in their view of the UK, extremists are either the BNP or anyone brave enough to voice their opposition towards islam in hte UK. expect many brits to be prosecuted under the racial hatred and religious hatred laws. tis is also an attempt for local councils to "pay off" the islamic militias in return for a peaceful "community". basically the government will be paying for mosques, islamic "religious education" centres, young lads "training" centers, community halls, trips to the UK from radical saudi and american islamic preachers.
next step will be secession and calls for self-governance within these islamic communities.
yes, we brits are very nieve indeed.
I wonder how many IED's 5 million quid will buy.
We can only stop Islam by fighting fire with fire. We will never defeat this enemy by trying to outwit them by beating them at their own game.
What happened to our leadership? Did it get Dhimmified? I guess the days of decisive action are long gone.
don't give them money
give ALL of them a one-way ticket to PigCrapistan w/ Hustler magazines strapped to their asses
one-way tickets to Mecca
then take the next step and live free
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Come on! Isn't it enough? Just kick'em out of the country and from Europe already. It makes me feel ashamed of western civilization on watching like thousands danes protested over cartoons with slogans like 'Sorry' a year ago. By the way a French newspaper that reproduced them is currently facing trial in Paris, France. How many islamic hate mongers are facing trials should I ask? What's democracy if it can't defend itself?
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