Moral equivalence alert: the only place where they could hold this meeting without being in imminent danger of death was in the one that features in jihadist rhetoric as the locus of all evil, Israel. From AP, with thanks to BN:
HAIFA, Israel - Arab lesbians quietly defied Islamist protesters and a social taboo to gather at a rare public event Wednesday in a northern Israeli city.Many of the attendees said they were sad that the only place safe enough to hold a conference for gay Arab women was in a Jewish area of Haifa, which has a mixed Arab-Jewish population. Israel's Jewish majority is generally tolerant of homosexuality.
Even some Muslims realize it is better to live amongst the Jews than to live amongst the Muslims....a fact that has been know since day one...
Query: are these "Arab lesbians" loyal to Islam? Do they, that is, take advantage of the tolerance of Israeli Jews, or for that matter other Infidels when they meet in the West, but never quite connect the ferocity of the murderous hatred directed at them, by other Muslims, with Islam itself?
One is made uneasy by too great attention given, say, to the mistreatment of this or that subset of the general Muslim population - Muslim women, or Muslim homosexuals, say -- and not to what is surely the main problem for Infidels: the treatment, or attitudes, or teachings, or tenets, in Islam, about not Muslim women or Muslim homosexuals, but of all Infidels.
For we have seen too many cases where those who claim to be "Muslim feminists" quickly become defenders of Islam, turning away criticism of it (see Fatimia Mernissi, see Leila Ahmed) because they will not permit, cannot tolerate, non-Muslims being critical of Islam, or being allowed themselves to connect the mistreatment of women in Muslim countries with the texts and attitudes of Islam, as clearly revealed in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira (yes, of course, Muhammad was a great lover of women, he treated all nine or eleven of his wives so very well).
One wonders how many of these "Arab lesbians" have made the connection between the Total System of Islam, its ferocious intolerance, and their fear of meeting anywhere in the Middle East except in advanced, Western, tolerant Israel? Do they support the continued existence of the one state that offers them the freedom to meet? Do they make the connection between the ferocious intolerance and violence in so much of Islam (see Ayaan Hirsi Ali on this, in her recent memori) or do they simply refuse to ponder that matter, to make the connection?
Infidels should keep their interest focussed on how they, the Infidels are treated, and not give exaggerated attention to the way that any particular subset of Muslims are treated by Islam. It is not a victory for Infidels if this or that Muslim state, like Iraq under Saddam Hussein, allows women, too, to acquire the skills necessary to participate in harming Infidels. One thinks of "secular" (but under it all, still very Muslim) Saddam Hussein, who allowed "secular" Iraqi women to study abroad and thus become experts in chemical and biological weapons (remember Dr. Germs?), which from the Infidel point of view is not an advance at all, but a greater menace.
I hope they were veiled. If not, they will surely pay the price of death under Islamic Sharia law. The well-documented tolerance in Islam somehow compels Muslims to cavort in the land of the pigs, just to guarantee their safety.
Very ironic that they feel safer in kaffir land. Maybe they should reflect on the fact that the religion they practice would kill them for their lifestyle.
I never knew there were Islamic lesbians..
My thoughts precisely Hugh, these Muslim lesbians like Manji and so on, think Islam is still great except for the hatred towards gay people. Why if only Muslims will only love the gays than Islam is the best religion in the world and Muslims are the best people.
Now my problem with islam isn't just one issue, it's nearly everything, and I has issues with islam and muslims long before 9/11.
"I never knew there were Islamic lesbians..
Posted by: richardlh22 "
...It can happen when all the young men run away from them, preferring to blow themselves up with a suicide belt...The Muslim womem must surely be some ugly Muslim women....
Hugh
Do I detect a slight "homophobia" - maybe you should be more tolerant of our homosexual friends they could be allies in our campaign against fundamental Islam and help to rally the mainstream moderate Islamic majority to see the problems currently with teh way Islam is being interpreted
Israel's Jewish majority is generally tolerant of homosexuality.
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Isn't it telling that in a place where the majority religion prohibits homosexuality and even calls it an "abomination" is able to accept them as human beings and allow them to peacefully assemble. Whilst, their own religion (Islam) would immediately place their lives in jeopardy.
Peace.
"Do I detect a slight 'homophobia'"
-- from a poster above
Not from me, in the slightest, though the word "homophobia" itself is one I would not use.
I was making another point: that Muslim lesbians, or Muslim women, or Muslim anything, whose situation is intolerable under Islam, should not be given undue or confused attention, and Infidels hail this or that possible victory -- that for them, the Infidels, may mean nothing.
I don't think homosexuality will be openly tolerated in Muslim societies even though it is furtively tolerated. But if it were, would that imply less of a menace for Infidels? If Islam is made safe for Irshad Manji, does that make it safe for Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists and all others? No.
I was thinking not so much of the Muslim intolerance of homosexuality (see Peter Twatchell, in England), but about the Problem of Muslim Women, which has become an industry. Think of the number of books and seminars and courses about "Women in Islam." That strikes me as a topic that, while seeming to recognize a problem in Islam, may too easily satisfy some. What if the lot of Muslim women improves?
There's a lot of breathless talk about that happening, and a lot of silly articles, like the one the other day in The Times about some Iranian-American who has taken it upon herself, having as an adult "accepted Islam" (apparently she was not raised as a Muslim), and having read the Qur'an and been horrified by verses about women, to translate it and somehow think she can get away with simply interpreting away, by omission, the verses damaging to women -- my god, with the Qur'an, the Uncreated and Immutable Qur'an that is the Literal word of God, this lady thinks she can do that, and what's more, have it accepted by more than a dozen or two Muslims, with many of the rest ardently desiring her death. This is the kind of thing that distracts the attention of the kind of people who both write for The Times, or read The Times uncritically, and think that yes, indeed, why not simply rewrite the Qur'an in order to quickly get that little matter of "reforming" Islam out of the way, and do it in the next decade or two.
Many Muslim "feminists" are more Muslim than feminists, and are quite good at sensing attacks on Islam and immediately coming to its defense, even if it means abandonment or betrayal of their so-called "feminism."
That was, in the main, what I was discussing.
And my point about the meeting of Arab (come to think of it, were they Muslims? Might they have been Christian Arabs?) lesbians in Israel, was that they might both be enjoying the tolerance of an advanced Western society, that of Israel, and yet still be unable to make the connection between Islam and intolerance, Islam and fear, and maintain their loyalty to that belief-system, and even keep intact the hostility, or even hatred, for Infidels that Islam so obviously inculcates (and some Muslims, just as obviously, may ignore -- that is, may be "bad" Muslims).
Homosexuality was not really the theme, not even tangentially. And I reject utterly your suggestion -- thus coming, by a commodious vicus, in the last sentence of this posting, right back to the first one, with which the present discussion began.
Another thing that many muslims have realized is that Israeli hospitals are far superior to their own. Even while muslims lob bombs into Israel - the Israelis took in muslims and did nothing but treat their wounds/sicknesses. It would not be possible for a Jew to do that in a muslim hospital.
We never heard about that fact during the AP press reporting, or even from Fox News, of the Lebanon/Israeli war - or any other war, muslims suicide bombings, daily attacks of muslims into Israel by their bombs, or at any time. We usually don't hear anything until the Israelis strike back - and then it is from the muslims moaning that they are the victims.
I would happily wed these who*es to donkeys for reasons ordinary 6'inch men can't satisfy them...
Here's how Iran treated 2 young gay lads.
http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/wp-content/images/islamhomosexuals.jpg
Whenever I mention islam's hatred of gays to my gay friends, they smugly reply that "the Bible says gays should be killed too". Theory and practice don't seem to matter to them, as they're not the ones being strung up.
Why is Abdullah's death cult so hateful to homosexuals? Especially when Abdullah is promised by the Qur'an virgin boys if he so desires.
Considering Islamic men, it's wonder there aren't only Islamic lesbians.
Ah yes, Abdullah, bestiality in your "moral" universe is so preferable to homosexuality! Wasn't it Khomeini who gave such sage advice on screwing chickens, and who to then feed the chickens to? Any words of wisdom re: the consumption of donkeys who've fornicated with humans -- guess that's also Halal? Ah, now that's a "religion!"
@abdullah
I'd rather marry a donkey than marry a moslem.
Oh, the irony.
I wasn't advocating beastiality. Khomeini was a pervert shiite. He even told his followers its okay to relief yourselves in goats if you can't find women and he also allowed sex change as halal.....see what I mean when I say the shia are not Muslim? Making halal what Allah and His messenger made haram automatically evicts you out of Islam.
Secondly someone above is a sinful lier. No where in the Quran does it say ' thou shall have virgin boys'....what a sinful lier!
And the 72 virgin thing some of u guys keep bringing up aint gonna be offered to any 'tom, deek and harry'....its a special prize for the matyrs, which I seriously doubt any of you will be given. As a matter of a fact you will stay in the blazing fire...far from beautiful virgins
I would happily wed these who*es to donkeys for reasons ordinary 6'inch men can't satisfy them...
Posted by Abdullah
And I always thought it was muslim MEN who love to get it on with donkeys !
And goats, and cows, and babies, and little boys.......
52:17-29 And they shall have boys [ghilmaan] circulating among them as if they were hidden pearls.
56:22-23 and dark-eyed ones [hoorun 'eenun], the like of hidden pearls
76:19 And immortal boys [wildaanun mukhalladoona] will circulate among them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls.
2:25 And they shall have immaculate partners [azwaajun mutahharatun] in [the gardens] …
4:57 And they shall have immaculate partners [azwaajun mutahharatun] in them …
"Peter Twatchell".
Ha, ha! Nice one, Hugh. Although our Peter did once try to arrest Mad Bob Mugabe, so I'll take my hat off to him for that.
I also had the same thought as you: are these Arab women Muslims? "Arab" does not equate to "Muslim".
As for the issue of whether Muhammad himself expressly acknowledged that some people by nature refrain from heterosexuality, thus being natural eunuchs, consider the following hadith. It is related that one of the Prophet's companions, Abu Huraira, went to the Prophet, saying that he was a "young male" who "feared torment for his soul," but that he "did not find the wherewithal to marry a woman" [innee rajulun shaabbun wa ana akhaafu 'alaa nafsee al-'anata wa laa ajidu ma atazawwaju bihi an-nisaa'a]. The Prophet remained silent, even after Abu Huraira repeated his statement three times. Finally after the fourth time, Muhammad said: "O Abu Huraira, the pen is dry regarding what is befitting for you. So be a eunuch for that reason or leave it alone." [ya Abaa Hurairata, jaffa al-qalam bimaa anta laaq fa'akhtasi 'alaa dhalika au dhar] (Bukhari, LXII 8). (For comparison, consider that when Uthman came to Muhammad asking if he could be permitted to live a life of abstinence, he was rebuffed.)
If Muhammad's answer to Abu Huraira is to make sense, then of course it must bear a relation to the statement Abu Huraira made. First we have to ask what kind of torment Abu Huraira feared for his soul [nafs]? Muhammad Muhsin Khan, the translator of Bukhari into English, interpreted it as fear of committing illicit sexual intercourse. If that interpretation is correct, then we still have to determine what "illicit sexual intercourse" would mean for Abu Huraira. As a self-described "male," two forms of sexual activity would be inadmissible and therefore the temptation to them would cause torment for his soul: the desire to be sexually passive with a man (known as ubnah) or the desire to commit adultery with a female. Yet, Abu Huraira ["the father of kittens"] seemed to hint at a solution to his dilemma when he said he did not find (in himself?) what was required for marrying a woman. Now, if that merely meant that he had no money to support a wife, for instance, and was tempted to commit adultery with a female, then the Prophet would surely have advised him to fast and be patient in accordance with Sura 24:33 (also Bukhari LXII 2 and 3), instead of advising him, as he did, to accept his fate and, if appropriate, be a eunuch, something which he denied as an option to Uthman. On the other hand, if Abu Huraira's statement meant he lacked potency with women, then obviously he could not be fearing the temptation to adultery with women. In that case, only passive homosexuality was a danger. However, if he would not ever marry a woman, due to impotency with women or for any other reason, then he would not be acting as a male, but rather as a eunuch, in which case passive homosexuality would not be forbidden for him. But Muhammad cautions him that his identity, either as a eunuch or as a male, has already been determined by his Creator ("the pen is dried"), and he must figure it out which it is and live his life accordingly. If he ever intends to have sex with a woman (i.e. act as a male), then he must avoid passive homosexuality and get married.
http://reactor-core.org/islamic-homosexuality.html
No where in the Quran does it say ' thou shall have virgin boys'....what a sinful lier!
Posted by Abdullah
Islamic pederasty only requires the boys (8-14 yrs) be exclusively passive recipients of the adult male pedophiles penetration, not that they be explicitly virginal.
Thank you for clarifying that for us, Abdullah.
Perhaps you could also share with us the the Istinjaa procedure for cleansing after pederasty, to further illuminate the supremacy of Islam.
Every time Abdullah makes a comment/judgement on Christians he does nothing but unwittingly expose his own ignorance of Christian philosphy.
Abdullah dude, Christians don't want to go to heaven to screw virgins and partake in eternal sensual desires. Myself, I'd kind of get bored with that after 1000 years or so, wouldn't you? We really desire heaven to be close to Jesus and God. Christians believe that we are placed on this earth to overcome animal desires. That's kind of the reason that we don't get all hot and bothered about men being alone with unrealated females. Being like Jesus is our goal. And unlike you, I actually pray for my enemies such as yourself while the mentality of Islam prays for my beheading. But you obviously don't understand that in your death cult.
Again, I have read your evil book and have infinately more understanding of Islam than you will ever have of Christianity. You see, here in the West we are encouraged to read things for ourselves and question: Something that is totally foreign in your death cult/submit-or-die culture. So being that tomorrow is Friday, you will probably go down to your Mosque and get spoonfed more ignorance and hate for Christians from your Iman.
I don't know why you even bother contributing to this Blog except that perhaps deep down you actually do have questions about your own ideology.
Have fun at your Mosque tomorrow, Dude.
Can't decide whether to keep him on here as a polemical catamite for the collective, to have their way with, when and as they please, or to ban him. Arguments both ways.
So continue to have your botta-e-risposta with him, but no deep arguments, please, no taking seriously his ludicrous assertions. He's here for pedagogic purposes only. Same rules apply as with Nasseem.
Hugh: Can't decide whether to keep him on here as a polemical catamite for the collective, to have their way with, when and as they please, or to ban him. Arguments both ways.
I would rather he stays Hugh. And Naseem.
They might change.
Mind you if there were serious things to discuss, very concrete practical things in terms the defence of the West, for that, I would prefer a moderated forum (rather like closed/open sessions of Senate).
"Can't decide whether to keep him on here as a polemical catamite for the collective..."
"...catamite..."
That means "boy prostitute" for those of you that didn't know it.
kj
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Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.
Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.
Hugh-
I think Abdullah is a cunning satirical mite (catamite. for short), since his infidel button pushing is too pat for a true believer.
On the off chance that he is not kidding, let him duel here and learn something.
First, don't use a meat cleaver where a rapier is called for.
Hugh,
Abdullah and Naseem are amusing in their own way, and when they drop their masks as Abdullah did in his first post on this thread, it does us the service of reminding us all of what lurks behind the masks they all assume
I am acquainted with a certain "Israeli" Arab woman, who is deeply offended when she is called an Arab. She prefers to be called "Israeli". The Arabs, especially Christians, who enjoy Israeli hospitality, are no fools. They know very well the implications of Islamic rule as an alternative to the current secular Israeli rule.
Abdullah is filled with hate and cannot see the truth and cannot accept peace...
Excellent posts, Hugh.
Hugh wrote:
"Can't decide whether to keep him on here as a polemical catamite for the collective, to have their way with, when and as they please ..."
Personally I say keep the little bitch around. I find his putrid pontifications energizing.
Lesbian sex was a regular feature of harem life till this century. Just as arab males are frequently victims and then perpetrators of prison-like pederasty. There are so many kinds of denial throughout the Islamic world (i.e. the worship of women's 'modesty' which is actually a deep seated fear and hatred of women) where does one begin to confront it all?
the only place where they could hold this meeting without being in imminent danger of death was in the one that features in jihadist rhetoric as the locus of all evil, Israel.
From the Jihadis point of view, this meeting merely confirms their view that Israel is the locus of all evil.
Many Muslim "feminists" are more Muslim than feminists, and are quite good at sensing attacks on Islam and immediately coming to its defense, even if it means abandonment or betrayal of their so-called "feminism."
That was, in the main, what I was discussing
Hugh.. it crossed my mind that they are holding lesbian and gay but ostentatiously MOSLEM conferences in Israel as one more - albeit very creative - way to mark their territory. I am dying to know how far they are going for "religious accomodations" like special prayer rooms and other segragationist stuff they do in the West.
See "flying imams".
Your thoughts..
I would happily wed these who*es to donkeys for reasons ordinary 6'inch men can't satisfy them...
Posted by: Abdullah
Funny.. here in the West we don't have this probem. No donkey sex, no goat sex..
Maybe your sister ought to wed a Westerner - so she can avoid goat sex.
Oh I forgot the KKKoran says we are lower than cattle. Which explains certain islamic sexual preferences and habits.
ROFLMAO!!
Abby, yer surely good for some laffs!
Oh I forgot camel sex.
Please allow Abby to stick around. Our legal system won't allow us any direct aggression so some of us need a let off steam from time to time. LOL
Unlike in their countries where they shoot at French tourists.. unramed and in company of females.
We are still bound by our morals and the laws which are a result of those morals - I am waiting to see how far we can be pushed.
Dear Abby.. you are too funny! You even wrote this:
I wasn't advocating beastiality. Khomeini was a pervert shiite. He even told his followers its okay to relief yourselves in goats if you can't find women and he also allowed sex change as halal.....see what I mean when I say the shia are not Muslim? Making halal what Allah and His messenger made haram automatically evicts you out of Islam.
All of those things make the Shiia the TRUE MOSLEEEEEMS. Didn't MAHOMET marry a six-year-old? Didn't he "do" her before she was a teenager? At only NINE years of age?
Now the remark of lack of islamics' endowment is beginning to make sense.. so they do children. And women should always be virgins so they can't "compare".
Something the lot of you probably can't 'stand up" to. LOL
Anyway.. the goats.. the child sex.. the camel urine drinking to cure diseases.. I'll go with Scotch when there's no painkillers myself. Like in the old Western movies.
You stick with the Camelpiss. Keeps down the price of the good stuff.
And NO KIDDING.. are all those moslems who molest young boys shiiya?
So then they are indeed the TRUEST of MOSLEMS!!
How ya like me now, Abby?
PS. I'd rather go with the occasional "experienced" woman than your 57 virgins in the 'hereafter'. You keep on dreaming. Ciao.
[ghilmaan] = girlyman?
Hugh
Please don't ban him - unlike past Mohammedan taquiyya artists, the Naseem value is right there.
Look these comments by Abdullah and Naseem are good it keeps the swords sharpened we need some training when the real thing happens we never know what the future holds your neighbour may sound like that so just keep tuned up like they do even if they are ritually forced by their own system of over prayer.
It's interesting to see how real Muslims think, it only makes the stories in the articles more realand we see where it comes from it's not just an opinion that they give but a confirmation.
We might show people the light someday as a Christain it's those who don't believe need saving the most.
Arab lesbians quietly defied Islamist protesters and a social taboo...
Rosie should consider a lecture tour over there. The whole lot of them could commmiserate on the Gulf of Tonkin and the 9/11-by-the-International Jewish Conspiracy theory and all sorts of good stuff.
It would do for all Arabs to note that Israel is the only place within a thousand miles where any comment can be made without getting beaten or killed by the religious police. The worst thing any country can allow is for its leadership to be religious. What follows is the worst kind of repression, as can be found now in any Arab or persian country.
Anybody criticizing Israel needs to look at his own country first.
Secondly someone above is a sinful lier. No where in the Quran does it say ' thou shall have virgin boys'....what a sinful lier!
610 * 624 * 1066 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1948 * 1969 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2001
Huh? You need to study up on the Koran:
* 2:61 * 2:64 * 2:96 * 4:41 * 4:47 * 4:55 * 4:160 * 5:13 * 5:41 * 17:7 * 5:59 * 59:2 * 88:1 *
And it is said unto them: Eat and drink in health as a reward for what ye used to do,
Reclining on ranged couches. And we wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.
And We provide them with fruit and meat such as they desire.
There they pass from hand to hand a cup wherein is neither vanity nor cause of sin.
And there go round, waiting on them boy menservants of their own, like hidden pearls.
And some of them draw near unto others, with questioning eyes.
--- God breathlessly rapping some very hot man-boy sex in Koran 52:19
Questioning eyes. Wonder what they were asking?
"Questioning eyes. Wonder what they were asking?"
Is the first time going to hurt as much as the last "first time"?
It would do for all Arabs to note that Israel is the only place within a thousand miles where any comment can be made without getting beaten or killed by the religious police. The worst thing any country can allow is for its leadership to be religious. What follows is the worst kind of repression, as can be found now in any Arab or persian country.
Anybody criticizing Israel needs to look at his own country first.
Posted by: Hebrew Handyman
HH.. are you nuts? The Arabs [well the moslem portion anyway] will merely see this as yet another reason to destroy Israel.
Now you are "stealing" "their" women. AND you're giving them respect and a safe place to hold their meetings.
Don't expect these women to thank you though. As an 'infidel' state you owe it to them.
I am concerned they may be holding these conferences in an attempt at increasing the islamic presence in Israel.
Are you new toJihadwatch/Dhimmiwatch?
If so, welcome.
Core of Islam seems to be worshiping a killer Moongod,stones[when they're not stoning someone to death] and perverted sexual practices.
The latter strike me as disgusting:sanctioned sex with children = child abuse,using their dicks
on animals=animal abuse,for these reasons alone
this sick,porno Death Cult ought to be destroyed.
How anyone with half a brain could 'convert to Islam' is beyond me although sick & pyschopathic
Westerners must think all their taboo desires have come true-they are able to torture,rape,marry little girls & have sex with them like Mo did,rob and kill all sanctioned by
the Koran!! Yuk.
Perhaps you could also share with us the the Istinjaa procedure for cleansing after pederasty, to further illuminate the supremacy of Islam.
....
Go CC!
*~@):~{>
nabi ZK
Why is Abdullah's death cult so hateful to homosexuals? Especially when Abdullah is promised by the Qur'an virgin boys if he so desires.
Posted by: Elric66
It's called "thou protesteth too much".
Abdullah is right to say that the Qur'an does not promise, in addition to those seventy-two female virgins, "virgin boys."
What it promises, in addition to those seventy-two etcetera, is "pearly boys."
The replies to Abdullah and Naseem should be a little more constructed I believe and a few humorous remarcs don't always work and can backfire. So be more factual in your replies as low shots seem to only be on par in what they say if too many short answers build up and its easy to quote.
" If Islam is made safe for Irshad Manji, does that make it safe for Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists and all others? No."
Right. Any gains gay Islamists may make (and I don't think they'll make any .. homoerotic behavior is par for the course in Islamic culture - Muslims simply prefer being furtive) will not benefit gay infidels. They will still be first in line for public beheading if Islam's Caliphate fantasies are actualized.
Next in line will be anyone who believes in 'live and let live'.
Hugh,
I think Naseem and Abdullah should be allowed to stay .. if only for selfish reasons. Among other things, I'd like to know if either one of them has read the Koran and if so, have they read it in a language in which they are fluent.
Naseem, Abdullah? I'm wondering.
Thanks Hugh for all the great work you do in providing this site for us. I've learned a lot. Maybe Naseem, Abdullah and any lurkers will learn something useful too.
I think the Koran actually promises boys twice, and likens them to pearls or being "like pearls" in both casesm whatever that means. It's certainly evocative of something...
Here are the links to the "holy" Koran itself:
The first is from the chapter entitled "The Mountain". In it, those who follow or fight in the way of Allah are told they will go to heaven, where "[52.23]They shall pass therein from one to another a cup wherein there shall be nothing vain nor any sin.
[52.24] And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls."
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=825412
and then there's this second reference about what the pious Muslim will find in heaven if he follows the ways of Allah. It sounds pretty gaudy to me, but think of those absurd tents and piles the Arabs like to live in with all the glittering mirrors and gew gaws, then maybe this would be heavenly to such:
"[76.13] Reclining therein on raised couches, they shall find therein neither (the severe heat of) the sun nor intense cold.
[76.14] And close down upon them (shall be) its shadows, and its fruits shall be made near (to them), being easy to reach.
[76.15] And there shall be made to go round about them vessels of silver and goblets which are of glass,
[76.16] (Transparent as) glass, made of silver; they have measured them according to a measure.
[76.17] And they shall be made to drink therein a cup the admixture of which shall be ginger,
[76.18] (Of) a fountain therein which is named Salsabil.
[76.19] And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls."
This is even better, because now, despite any bending, spindling, or mutilation, the boys will never age! Now I understand the compassion of Allah, the Great, the Merciful!
For more real-world examples there's that recent admonition to the Taliban fighters in "Taliban Warriors Rule #19" not to take boys into their tents who sport any facial hai whatseover... That's certainly evocative of something.
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=26199
Oops -- the other link is to the chapter entitled "Time" and the link is here.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=923384
For readers who haven't done it, this searchable Koran is invaluable. In addition to reading the absurd tracts which constitute the Koran, you can search the document in an easy to access format.
Link here for searchable browsable Koran:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/
Hugh,
LOL!