"Hopefully it won't be long till I'm home to get ready for Molly's birthday party and with a present from the Iranian people."
Oh, I am sure it will be a most memorable present.
"Paraded On Iranian TV," from SkyNews, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Footage of the 15 British sailors and marines being held in Iran has been aired by Iranian TV.The pictures show the group being arrested, eating food in captivity and carries an interview with Leading Seaman Faye Turney.
Turney is seen looking worried, wearing Iranian clothes and smoking.
She says the group "trespassed" into Iranian waters.
"I was arrested on March 23 and obviously we tresspassed into their waters," she says.
"They were very friendly and very hospitable and nice people and explained to us why we were being arrested," she said.
"There was no hurt or no harm."
Turney is due to be released shortly, the Iranian government said, and will carry a letter to her parents "confessing" to what happened.
Turney said: "I have written a letter to the Iranian people to apologise for us entering their waters.
"Please don't worry about me. I'm staying strong. Hopefully it won't be long till I'm home to get ready for Molly's birthday party and with a present from the Iranian people."
yet another "arms for hostages" crisis
Blair has shown his backbone - now he can backpedal and cut a backdoor deal for BAE to provide arms ...
Will these 15 soldiers be forced to accept Islam?
Will we hear about it if it does happen?
Remember the Fox News reporters had to accept Islam.
Will we be seeing a forced conversion?
You in the U.K. it is time to go into Iran...the Yankees have your back and will be by your side.
note the way that the iranians respected her religious rights by making her wear the muslim head scarf.
I wonder if she has already had a present from Iran?
(What is the law concerning woman captives?)
/I do see a lovely burqa, is that a gift?
Yeah, the Iranians demonstrate their peaceful intent by the forced statement from a kidnapped sailor. But did you notice, she never looks at the camera. She appears to be reading off screen to the right and keeps looking down. Either the Iranians do not know how to tape a 'confession' or she was doing it purposefully, much like US POWs would not look at the camera when the NVA would broadcast their 'confessions'.
Hmmm, it is interesting that this incident has not made top news in america, uk, europe and elsewhere. Iran makes an act of war and everyone seems to be intimidated by them. Where is the west's spine particularly uk?
How sad - In similar circumstances I hope I would have the courage to remain silent while giving the camera the 1,000 yard stare.
There's no compulsion in...islam.
Hmmm, it is interesting that this incident has not made top news in america, uk, europe and elsewhere. Iran makes an act of war and everyone seems to be intimidated by them. Where is the west's spine particularly uk?
Dear Mrs. Turney,
Faye was a very naughty girl in class today, treading into our territorial waters. For this reason she was given detention and forced to confess state-controlled propaganda media.
Please sign and return to the Ayatollah within 24 hours.
______________________
Faye's mom
"note the way that the iranians respected her religious rights by making her wear the muslim head scarf.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer"
....it was "wear the Islamic clothing or else" type of thing....
.... and her letter to her parents clearly was scripted....
It is clear from this that Iran is having fun with the hostages. This is what they did in 1979. Some hostages were released, but others not.
They are playing on our emotions. We know they enjoy this and won't want to give it up by returning all the hostages. They need this internally in their mind.
They also want to show that they are as tough as the students and Khomeini were in 1979.
Where is the international outrage whenever rogue nations or people do this stuff? Those same people seem to have no problem showing outrage at our brave leaders or their solutions so I know they have outrage in them. All is still quiet on Israel's kidnapped soldiers too.
I know the answer it just bugs me...really bugs me and I wish it would be shouted until the press covers it why there is outrages are misplaced in our societies.
"They also want to show that they are as tough as the students and Khomeini were in 1979"
....dhimmicrats pulled the strings in 1979 and they control the stings today.....
.....same Iranian students in 1979 are Iranian leaders today....
....same game, same players, and most likely same lame response....
You know why Iran keeps taking western hostages? Because they were never punished for doing that.
It's as simple as that. It is beyond me why powerful nations like the US and the UK NEVER dared to stand up to Iran when their citizens were taken hostage.
Is it cowardice?
Where is the international outrage whenever rogue nations or people do this stuff? Those same people seem to have no problem showing outrage at our brave leaders or their solutions so I know they have outrage in them. All is still quiet on Israel's kidnapped soldiers too.
I know the answer it just bugs me...really bugs me and I wish it would be shouted until the press covers it why there is outrages are misplaced in our societies.
Posted by: Highrise at March 28, 2007 03:04 PM
You expected outrage from the West?
It should be noted that this female seaman has been kept separate from all her shipmates since their capture, allegedly to protect her from any taint of impropriety. She has been isolated and worked on, and has been unable to receive any support from her fellow crew members. Obviously, she's doing the best she can under the circumstances, especially given that she's probably never received any training on how to withstand interrogation. Kindly reserve your anger for her captors, she doesn't deserve it.
I understand that she is facing many pressures in what must be a stressful situation, but it would've been great if she refused preferential treatment by sticking with her fellow sailors and therefore striking a blow for women's rights.
And even greater example of women's equality by ripping that thing off her head.
Elric
Good news....seems like the Russian rats are ducking for cover!
"Reports on evacuation of Russians from Iran untrue - ministry
28-03-2007 19:20 MOSCOW, March 28 (RIA Novosti) - Media reports about the evacuation of Russian citizens from Iran, including specialists working on the construction of the Bushehr NPP, are untrue, a spokesman from the Russian Foreign Ministry said Wednesday."
The Muslim Britons must be completely outraged at Iran's actions.
Elric
Good news....seems like the Russian rats are ducking for cover!
"Reports on evacuation of Russians from Iran untrue - ministry
28-03-2007 19:20 MOSCOW, March 28 (RIA Novosti) - Media reports about the evacuation of Russian citizens from Iran, including specialists working on the construction of the Bushehr NPP, are untrue, a spokesman from the Russian Foreign Ministry said Wednesday."
Posted by: akak at March 28, 2007 03:18 PM
I do hope its true. If the Russians are leaving, they know something is coming. Someone said somewhere that the target date was in early April from a report from Debka.
"I do hope its true. If the Russians are leaving, they know something is coming. Someone said somewhere that the target date was in early April from a report from Debka.
Posted by: Elric66 "
run Pinko run....oops that was from another movie
run Pinko run....oops that was from another movie
Posted by: akak at March 28, 2007 03:25 PM
I just hope we dont accidently kill any of their "advisors".
We should not be talking to Iran after August 31, 2006.
"I just hope we dont accidently kill any of their "advisors"."
Are you trying to say the high price of oil helps Russia? Especially now that the ice flow is melting?
I have not seen any comments lombasting Turney for what she was compelled to do. I am sure some ass will some comment, that is the nature of people. I also do not doubt that she had tried to stay with her fellow sailors and marines, but the Iranians, who do not understand women beyond objects for reproduction and amusement, had all the cards and forced her to act.
To all those who ridicule or denigrate Ms. Turney for what were clearly actions taken under duress, all i gotta say is "But for the grace of God go I".
Are you trying to say the high price of oil helps Russia? Especially now that the ice flow is melting?
Posted by: akak at March 28, 2007 03:36 PM
I meant the advisors that are actually military advisirs.
Are the Iranians breaking the Geneva conventions
by having the sailors on TV?
http://www.crimesofwar.org/special/Iraq/brief-pow.html
A snippet:
...The rules governing the treatment of prisoners of war are spelled out in the third Geneva Convention of 1949. The Convention requires that POW’s “must at all times be treated humanely,” and goes on to list a number of specific requirements: they must not be killed, seriously endangered, mutilated or subject to medical or scientific experiments. Furthermore, they must be protected against acts of violence or intimidation, and against “insults and public curiosity” (Article 13).
According to A.P.V. Rogers, a former Major General in the British army and an expert in the laws of war, the key to deciding whether treatment of POW’s infringes the Convention is to look at the intention of the action. Action that was intended to be “humiliating and degrading,” he said, would qualify as a breach of the Convention. But television footage that was “merely factual” would not necessarily be a violation."...
I would think that wearing a headscarf could be seen as "humiliating and degrading"
"I would think that wearing a headscarf could be seen as "humiliating and degrading""
what he said^? is assimilation degrading?
I would think that wearing a headscarf could be seen as "humiliating and degrading"
Posted by: npabga at March 28, 2007 03:41 PM
The actions before and after by the Brits are humilating and degrading.
I've been reading this board for over a year & finally got around to registering to comment. I'm incredibly pissed off that Iran parades this woman out wearing and Islamic headscarf. What happened to respecting her religious beliefs? We're supposed to respect theirs (remember the whole Muhammad cartoon flap?) yet nobody bats an eye when they're guilty of the same thing.
Imagine the outrage if our government was to take an Iranian woman hostage, then put her in front of a hungry media sans scarf. Think there'd be any violence as a result? Any condemnation?
The double standard kills me.
akak,
Degrading? Assimulation? Do you mean the Muslims in the UK?
rktkt
Did you notice the British Ambassador had an assistant that was wearing same, in the video it seems she can't take it off fast enough when she gets in the diplomat SUV?
I've been reading this board for over a year & finally got around to registering to comment. I'm incredibly pissed off that Iran parades this woman out wearing and Islamic headscarf. What happened to respecting her religious beliefs? We're supposed to respect theirs (remember the whole Muhammad cartoon flap?) yet nobody bats an eye when they're guilty of the same thing.
Imagine the outrage if our government was to take an Iranian woman hostage, then put her in front of a hungry media sans scarf. Think there'd be any violence as a result? Any condemnation?
The double standard kills me.
Posted by: rktkt at March 28, 2007 03:49 PM
Welcome to the insanity of the West where tolerance is a one way street with Islam.
Degrading? Assimulation? Do you mean the Muslims in the UK?
Posted by: npabga
non Muslims
akak,
Oh, you mean the non-Muslims assimulating to the Muslim minority in the UK? Yeah, I agree, it is very degrading and ridiculous the demands of Muslim immigrants on everybody.
Elric,
check out patdollard.com for events in Oman very interesting>atleast no one else has that!
"The Muslim Britons must be completely outraged at Iran's actions."
Yeah, right. Nothing will put a smile on their faces quicker than this. The whole world will be laughing at the "big boys," getting bitch slapped by Iran. It will surely cause lots of new converts to Islam.
So much the legitimacy of what we "fight," to protect. Queensbury rules, wot?
These brave marines have been sacrificed to....I don't even know what to call it anymore; but it stinks.
npabga
Umm no, why is Condi demanding Israel accept Hamas? If not it will be isolated?
"I understand that she is facing many pressures in what must be a stressful situation, but it would've been great if she refused preferential treatment by sticking with her fellow sailors and therefore striking a blow for women's rights.And even greater example of women's equality by ripping that thing off her head"
Umm, what part of "under duress" are you not getting? She does not have ANY options to be doing anything right now. Having guns pointed at your head has a funny way of limiting one's options.
I salute Mrs. Turney and her fellow troops and pray for their speedy return.
They forgot 9/11, as they forget Daniel Pearl/Ron Arad et al.
You guys quit criticizing. Molly's birthday party is of utmost importance here.
"Are the Iranians breaking the Geneva conventions
by having the sailors on TV?"
....silly wrabbit...geneva conventions are for normal governments....
...Iran does not even read the geneva conventions, much less abide by them...
"President Bush gave his full backing to PM Blair in the crisis after they spoke by telephone Wednesday night"
run pinkos run
The West is once again on its knees before a psychotic, militarily over-rated tyranny. What are the prospects for Western civilization growing a spine after the Ayatolla gets his nuke? It is 1938 all over again. Appeasement and demonstrations of weakness will get us all killed.
"How sad - In similar circumstances I hope I would have the courage to remain silent while giving the camera the 1,000 yard stare."
Posted by MP
Yes, it would be nice if we all had that kind of courage, but keep in mind this woman is the captive of men who despise and fear women. She is trying her best to get through this and get back to her little girl.
"I understand that she is facing many pressures in what must be a stressful situation, but it would've been great if she refused preferential treatment by sticking with her fellow sailors and therefore striking a blow for women's rights.
And even greater example of women's equality by ripping that thing off her head.
Posted by: npabga
I doubt the treatment was "preferential". The Iranians routinely separate women and men. She didn't have any choice.
It's easy to criticize - what do you think you would do in that situation ? You'd be doing whatever you had to do to stay alive.
Thank you, Penfold, longtime lurker and exsgtbrown
for speaking up in defence of this soldier.
Maybe the Brits should be stuffing petrol soaked Iranian flags into the fuel pipes of cars as they march on Westminster. Maybe we should even get the Sun to sponsor a group of bikini clad ladies with large breasts to beat stuffed monkey toys with their impossibly high stiletto heels while screaming obscenities about the size of the poisoned dwarfs’ manhood.
We could get real nasty and start using the Muslims in our areas as weapons of war. You know the script: Blow up that corner shop or your family gets it. Why not? They do it in Iraq to their own.
If they still won’t release the hostages we could park our trident subs within a few thousand miles of Iran, and Premier Blair could address the UN. He could tell the monkey and his handlers that Iran should be wiped off the map.
But of course if we did that we would be no better than that bunch of lying paedophiles and woman beaters who are trying to take over the world.
People on here who slag Britain at every turn should remember that we have an island nation of only 241,590 sq km, which is slightly smaller than Oregon.
If you don’t want our help then piss off. Many houses here are older than your country.
Abu Lahab,
Where did I criticize her? I did not mean to. If we were in in a bar and I said this, you would have noticed the tone of my voice.
posted by me above:
"I understand that she is facing many pressures in what must be a stressful situation, but it would've been great if she refused..."
3rd condintional wishful thinking about a past that can not be changed
It would've been great if Mohammad had never been born!
I did not mean to criticize and still do not have any ill will towards any of these brave men and women.
Just so everyone understands,
This was a very carefully orchestrated snatching by Iran. It most likely signals, they felt that an attack on thier nuclear facilities was immiment. By taking hostages, they force the West to work on their time table and agenda now. They will force Blair into a prolonged negotiation to win release of their hostages. In the meantime, oil goes up, Iran pays it's debt to Russia, and completes it's enrichment program.
Jihad, it's a wonderful thing.
Excellent, the Iranians are taunting Tony Blair. The British public was infuriated last time the fun show was put on air and now worried Blair will be forced to act exactly as Iran has pushed him.
Nothing like a British girly spewing nonsense propaganda to fire up the citizens and soldiers back home.
Perhaps after their humanitarian gesture in letting the girl go, Iran can show the British boys with turbans and praying on matts for the ulitmate slap at British armed forces.
Iran wants the west to strike at it, so it can counter strike in which they believe they can absorb and win. Let it begin as the Iranians have not been right about anything since they took about Babylon in Daniel's time.
ImNoDhimmi my response to Abu Lahab is I hope sufficent for you as well.
Ina addition, funny enough, article 25 and 97 of the 1949 Geneva Conventions states respectively:
"In any camps in which women prisoners of war, as well as men, are accommodated, separate dormitories shall be provided for them."
"Women prisoners of war undergoing disciplinary punishment shall be confined in separate quarters from male prisoners of war and shall be under the immediate supervision of women."
this seems to be a case of what someone has called 'the return of history'.
this iranian government does not want to live in a happy mercantile world, it wants confrontation.
as with the barbary pirates up to the 1800s, those who have the might to overcome them lack the resolve to do so, and those who cannot overcome them must drink the cup of humiliation that the iranians offer.
all we in the uk can do now is suck it up to get our people back, and then wonder what form the next humiliation will take.
(Mert's trident suggestion does appeal to my gut, but somehow i don't think it will fly this time. maybe later).
ps the Pat Dollard story on oman is news to me, and surprising, as i never thought that the omanis would allow iranian occupation of their territory.
Iran is not unified behind its leader. In fact many are looking at the threat from outside and asking why they are looking at obliteration by the US in the name of the Mahdi.
In Britain we are asking why the Blair government has been such a total failure and are now looking to a right wing government.
In May, the Scottish will vote SNP. Alex Salmond will be able to form a Scottish government that does not involve Bone Crusher Brown the ‘human clunking fist.’
Gordon Dzhugashvili will be the first Prime Minister without a mandate in either his home constituency or England. Brown is doomed.
Thatcher's natural home is coming back to power.
This reminds me of the hostages that Saddam took prior to GW1. I particularly remember that little boy Stuart Lockwood being summoned to Saddam's side. This so infuriated the public, it added more pressure to do something about Saddam.
I've always wondered why Muslims living in the west are never asked to undertake "sensitivity training." Instead the host nation is subjected to that. Isnt the immigrant supposed to adapt to the host society?
Britain should have followed Israel's example when their soldiers were kidnapped. At least Japan has an excuse for not doing anything when their people get kidnapped by North Korea.
British military expenditure:
2.4% (2005 est.) of $2.341 trillion GDP (2006 est.)
Iranian military expenditure:
3.3% (2005 est.) of $194.8 billion GDP (2006 est.)
Figures provided by the CIA.
Considering the fact that our military is one of the most experienced and highly trained on the planet which as benefited enormously from a low intensity war on its own soil for over thirty years. I fail to see how a Muslim army which couldn’t defeat Saddam in eight years could hold a candle to our troops.
If we had a PM who wasn’t mad and bad we could own Iran on our own.
Mert posted: Thatcher's natural home is coming back to power.
I wish Thatcher was in power. There would be that trip to DC and "George, this is no time to get wobbly.." and away we go.
HELL I Saw a different video a couple of days ago on German TV and they weren't being treated nice at all they were blindfolded WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE THIS IS AN ACT OF WAR???
Flashback 30 years.
On the streets of Teheran you see men and women going about their business in Western clothing.
Occasionally you see a woman with a scarf--but not as a rule. In fact, Paris fashions are the rage among those that can afford them.
You are likely to see women picking their kids up from school and driving them to soccer or tennis or music lessons.
You can step into a bar and have a beer with a local.
Only in some neighborhoods do you hear a call to prayer.
Ditto L.A. today.
____________________________
I'm stunned by the naivete. Comparing Iranian mores and customs to the Taliban (or Saudi). Shame.
Blame the mullahs. Most of the people of Iran would love to go back to the times before '79, before Khomeini. When they could travel the world freely and women had a level of equality comparable to the West.
DP111
This reminds me of the hostages that Saddam took prior to GW1. I particularly remember that little boy Stuart Lockwood being summoned to Saddam's side. This so infuriated the public, it added more pressure to do something about Saddam.
Quite right!
These creeps do not understand our culture. More importantly remember the beaten up pilot Saddam put on TV during the war? One of his comrades said until then it was “just a job” afterwards they really wanted to get the b******s.
People on here who slag Britain at every turn should remember that we have an island nation of only 241,590 sq km, which is slightly smaller than Oregon.
If you don’t want our help then piss off. Many houses here are older than your country.
Posted by: Mert
Noone's slagging on Britain. Everyone here wants these 15 sailors returned safely.
Everyone except Abby. But he's an enemy so that's natural.
What I do see expressed is the impatience with the endless cowtowing and timidity of all Western Governments before these pre-Neanderthal simians.
They so remind me of the apes when the black slab appeared in "2001".
We all are dealing with the apex of power of the "68 generation". That includes fratboy Bush. And DhimCharles of course.
Maybe Charlie-boy ought to offer himself in exchange for his valiant countrymen who are being sorely let down by not only bLiar, but the Rest of the West as well.
I see this hostage-taking an offense against us all.
A True King would have some balls.
I prefer Arthur over Charles myself.
That does not mean I am slagging Britain. I would like to see a more Thatcherite handling of the present sitation though. Amazing how far left the west has drifted in a mere 20 or so years.
I do think that leftist power is on the wane but will take many many years to eradicate from the West. The more militaristic and aggressive the mos act, the sooner the public will begin to demand an appropriate response.
The Left has indeed marched through the institutions just as they proclaimed in the 70s.
It is now up to us all to roll back defeatist Socialism.
It is up to us to support whatever measures necessary to ensure the prompt return of the "Abducted-15".
We also must demand from our governments that they take the approproate action. Continued weakness does nothing good for the morale of their comrades. Nor for the forces of the other Allies. Soldiers need to know that abductions such as these will trigger a HUGE and relentless response to secure their freedom.
God Bless Maggie! We miss you!
Everybody keeps talking about how much the Iranians hate their (democratically-elected) leader. I don’t buy it, it sounds like what we were told in 2003. Maybe they just like to complain.
There is an age-old way to get rid of an unpopular government, the Iranians went through the process themselves in 1979. If there were to be genuine citizen protests by Iranians against the regime, you can bet that the Western left would trumpet the images everywhere. Instead we just get words.
Until the misunderstood masses stand up against their government, they should be judged by the company (and leadership) they keep.
pez
I agree with most of what you say but as to their (democratically-elected) leader. I read somewhere that the mullahs banned all opposition parties from standing, if so "democratically-elected" hardly applies.
"It is beyond me why powerful nations like the US and the UK NEVER dared to stand up to Iran when their citizens were taken hostage"
The reason is simple--we don't have the stomach to get the hostages killed. T
he media will interview family, friends, neigbors, former college roommates of the hostages if they are ultimately killed due to a tough response from the West. The interviews will consist of people saying "I wish my [insert relationship] could have been kept alive." There will be no historical context. No analysis of how giving in creates future hostages. No balancing of benefit and risk. Congressmen and Senators will denounce any action or even tough statement as "recklessly endangering.
Fred; Fair enough. But I think I remember Ahmedinejad winning over a reportedly less fanatical opponent, probably also controlled by the same strings though.
pez
NEWS & LETTERS, JULY 2003
Our Life and Times by Kevin A. Barry
Massive student protests in Iran
A Tehran university student protest against the privatization of universities, on June 10, set off a wave of protests that came to embody not only students but ordinary citizens and whole families, not only in Tehran but in other Iranian cities. By the second night, thousands of residents of Tehran were expressing their support by driving on the streets and honking their horns. Slogans included the call for the resignation of President Khatami and an end to “Supreme Leader” Khamenei and the entire Islamic Republic. All wanted freedom for political prisoners.
By the third night, Islamist vigilantes called Ansar al Hizbullah and Basijis started attacking students and ordinary citizens. Students sleeping in their dormitories at Allameh Tabatabai University were attacked in the middle of the night. They were beaten with chains, their belongings were destroyed and residences were severely damaged.
By June 14, the protests had spread to Isfahan, Shiraz, Ahvaz, Hamedan, Mashhad, Kirmanshah, and Tabriz. An open letter to Khamenei from 250 intellectuals challenged the very idea of “supreme leadership” and supported the right of Iranians to criticize their government. Signers included Hashem Aghajari, the former Islamist professor who has been in jail for challenging the Shi'ite principle of imitation from a leader.
As of June 23, thousands of people in Tehran and other cities have been arrested. The plainclothes police are raiding the homes of protesters and arresting more. Some arrestees have been forced to “confess” to their mistakes. Families of political prisoners are now holding daily vigils in front of the infamous Evin prison. Students are also holding sit-ins in front of Tehran University and the parliament. A letter from 166 members of parliament has condemned the savage attacks on the protesters.
Khamenei has been attacking these protests as “instigated” by the U.S. and the Iranian monarchist media in Los Angeles. The Bush administration promises to bring democracy to Iran even as the U.S. occupation of Iraq is proving to be a complete disaster. At the same time, the Iranian regime is doing its best to come to an agreement with the European Union and the UN on the development of its nuclear power plants.
The French government has chosen this moment to arrest members of the Iranian Mujahedeen Khalq (MK) and to raid their offices in France. The MK, who are mostly based in Iraq, have recently made an alliance with the U.S. army. So far, nine members of the MK in Europe have immolated themselves to protest the arrests in France.
The protests in Iran, which are explicitly anti-fundamentalist, continue to be a ray of hope in a crisis-ridden Middle East.
--Sheila Sahar
That last line bears repeating.
The protests in Iran, which are explicitly anti-fundamentalist, continue to be a ray of hope in a crisis-ridden Middle East.
Google [iran student protest]. You'll be surprised how many entries.
Ironically--doesn't this resemble an old-school Soviet response?
Turn; Two of my childhood friends were Zoroastrians and really solid people-I hope that you are right. But goodness without strength is still weakness, and historically weakness doesn’t get a big say in a nation’s destiny. I hope that Condeeleza is right when she speculates that those thousands of students represent the 80 million Iranians.
The response is very Soviet. But it is also very Islamic:
9:33 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.
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Noone's slagging on Britain. Everyone here wants these 15 sailors returned safely.
During the War betweeen Iraq and Iran, the Revolutionary Government of Iran recruited companies of unarmed, or very lightly armed teen-aged boys. At the beginning of the next Iranian offensive, these adolescent auxiliaries were sent trotting ahead of the regular infantry to clear the minefields. The present government of Iran is descended in an unbroken line directly from the steely-hearted b@$tards who devised this tactic.
l guess blair is more like a french poodle than a bulldog. this was an act of war, and should of had no hesitations from the Brits, guess that letter they sent with caps did not work.
Can one really blame Iran for for flexing his muscles against the sissified British?
When your opponent grovels at your feet, kick them until they beg for nercy.
"Can one really blame Iran for for flexing his muscles against the sissified British?"
i hope that you're just referring to the current socialist british labour government in power and not a direct attack on the british population.
Now Iran is saying that Britain itself must admit that its soldiers trespassed into Iranian waters; apparently the "confessions" of the soldiers/sailors wasn't enough:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070328/ap_on_re_mi_ea/british_seized_iran
Looks like Iran is seeing just how much it can make Britain grovel at this point. Pathetic.
I USED to mean just the British gov'ment. Now I mean the entire (native European) population. If the British citizens are strong, let them prove it. Until then, they look and act weak, thus the sand kicked in face over and over. Not that the U.S. is looking much stronger... time will tell.
I'm afraid I have to agree with Tammy Bruce's observations on this one:
From: http://tammybruce.com/2007/03/pancakes_versus.php
"At the risk of seeming insensitive and accusations of being politically incorrect, I must share with you my initial impressions of the Iranian propaganda video, letter and interview involving the British sailors and marines. I am disturbed primarily by the criminality of the Iranians, as we all have been for decades, but I am also concerned about how malleable the British captives seem to be.
We're now seeing the Iranian footage of the kidnapped British sailors and marines on a veritable loop in the media. All of them are sitting in a room, looking healthy and unharmed physically, tucked into what looks like a meal of pancakes. We are also seeing constant footage of an 'interview' given by Turney, wearing the headscarf, and the text of her letter back home.
What does she write? Exactly what the Iranians wanted her to--she's been treated well, they have food and drink, her captors are warm and kind. She also noted in her letter home that she has written a letter to the Iranian people apologizing to them for "apparently" trespassing into Iranian waters. All the GPS coordinates, and even the first announced position of the ship by the Iranians themselves, contradict that claim. The Iranians have since reversed themselves moving the coordinates just inside the demarcation line. And what is she getting for this cooperation? She is being released either today or tomorrow.
People are already claiming she did not write the letter. That is belied by the fact that she has given this interview, saying essentially the things she says in the letter. Is she under pressure. Yes, of course. But the question becomes, exactly how much pressure is required to get a British sailor to cooperate with the enemy these days?
Let's ask: What happened to the concept of resisting the enemy? I realize everyone has a breaking point, but shouldn't soldiers at least make their captors use extreme force before issuing propaganda for them? The British marines and sailors could refuse to eat, could refuse to write and could refuse offers to go home, if only you will write this, that and the other thing. But the opposite is happening. We are certainly sympathetic to POWs, but their soldierly duty does not end at capture. Their discipline and commitment to their mission continues, as should their fighting spirit as they come face to face with the enemy.
I do expect the sailors and marines to claim they were under duress, and obviously they are. I do not expect them, however, to say they were tortured. Not that I want them to be, but let's get real here. Are these troops not trained to resist completely? That is their job, it is supposedly what they're trained for.
John McCain notes in his biography that, while a POW, he eventually did succumb to torture inflicted by the North Vietnamese enemy and consequently signed 'confession' letters and told the enemy more than he should have. But he was pushed to his breaking point--literally. Regular beatings, broken bones, no food and water. He didn't sign letters and give information after a harsh talking to, basic threats, a plate of pancakes and a promise to send him home.
This new hostage footage, of course, is used internally not only in Iran, but across the Middle East to further the lie that the coalition is the Bad Guy, and that Iran is the gentle put-upon victim. It worries me that these soldiers appear to have been so easily manipulated and so quickly did the bidding of the enemy.
Let me remind you as well, it's one thing to be a private citizen in this situation, someone who is not trained to withstand an enemy. We are looking in this footage at British marines and sailors. Being captured becomes part of the war theatre. They are trained for warfare. They are trained to defend their nation and themselves. They are trained to not let themselves be used by the enemy.
Or at least I thought they were."
I’ve had the opportunity to enjoy some adult beverages with members of the Royal Marines in a far away place in the past year. One of the most impressive groups I’ve ever met.
One of them had flown in his fiancé. We talked about England. They were planning on relocating to New Zealand or Australia when he left the service because of ‘problems’ back home. Model Citizens who will be an asset to wherever they end up.
Its like we’re living through a pregnant pause. The irresistible force (Islam) is slowly pushing against the immovable object (social safety net), and there will be the eventual failure. Something tells me that its not going to be the English.
"The Iranian switch"
Iran at first offered a different co-ordinate and then, when it was pointed out that even this was in Iraqi waters, another reading was given, this time on the Iranian side.
Read about the Iranian deception here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6502947.stm
Clearly, Iran is acting bellicose and hostile.
I am shocked that Iran has the audacity to kidnap British soliders in Iraqi territory and then use their propaganda machine to attack Britian's credibility and honor.
Iran is desperately attempting to gain the moral high ground over Britian even when the facts clearly show that they are in the wrong.
This is the second time that Iran has kidnapped British navy personnel.
Clearly, this was a calculated Iranian plot to challenge the west's influence in the Middle East.
Iran wants to " get it on " and throw on the punching gloves.
Iran wants to weaken Britian and send a clear message to the U.S. that it won't be backed into a corner.
Whatever happened to the powerful British navy?
During the years of the British empire, this kind of action would have NEVER been tolerated.
British forces were powerful back then.
Has it occurred to anyone that she may have been talking in some sort of code? Molly's birthday party might mean something.,,,a possible location or something.
Also, I do hope that whatever 'present' she brings back to the UK will not be biological. Let's hope that they have sense enough to keep her in quarantine until they know for a fact that she is not carrying a disease. They should also check her for radiation poisoning.
I read somewhere that the mullahs banned all opposition parties from standing, if so "democratically-elected" hardly applies.
Posted by: Fred
Yeah...kinda like the democratic election process we have here in the US now. If you don't have money (to the tune of 400,000 dollars per day) and media willing to let you buy air time, you shouldn't even THINK of running for office.
Gone are the days of Abe Lincoln. There was a time when I actually believed that anyone born in America could become president. Now I know that only those (with the right connections) who are willing to do the bidding of the lobbyists that pay their way - stand any chance of even getting to Washington.
Maybe we should outlaw lobbying and clean up our own political system - which has become corrupt. Get rid of the puppets and elect people that love this country.
Where is the international outrage you ask? Why isn't the media covering it properly?
I have some better questions.
Who owns the media and why do they feel that it is in their interest NOT to cover this story properly?
Who controls the reporters and WHO has the final say on what goes on the air?
Why is the UN so quiet and why is it doing nothing to sort this out?
What is happening behind the scenes with Russia and China who have huge investments in Iran?
Why did the Brits allow their soldiers to be taken - and why didn't they attack?
Figure those things out, and you'll start to 'get it'.
Money is ALWAYS the bottom line beneath every political decision.
It always surprises me when news reports don't bother to mention these small acts of supremacism - as though they were the most natural thing in the world - and say that she must have been ordered or even forced to put on that hijab so as to conform with Muslim dictates. This may be obvious to most people but it would be nice to have it pointed out.
During the Pope's visit to Turkey a BBC news clip included a shot of the cross on top of the Catholic church he was visiting: within a foot of it and flying above it a Turkish flag was attached so that the crescent was displayed above the cross. The reporter didn't bother to remark on this studied symbol of Muslim ascendancy, even though it occupied the screen for a good 5 seconds.
Isn't there something in the "Geneva Conventions" about not parading prisoners?
But what th' hell, who adheres to the Geneva Conventions except those holding the moral high ground?
(Oh the horrors of the Guantanamo Bay prison for those "poor, poor," Moslem darlings being caged there [to keep 'em from having another go at us.])
WHERE IS THE LEFTIST complaining about the iranis breaking the Geniva conventions????
I CAN'T HERE THEM are they nothing but cowards??
Yes to show flim of prisners is against the Giviva conventions?? I CAN'T HEAR THEM
SO is the left and MSM only protectors of those savages who beat women and cut off peoples heads???
For those out there like the dimmicrats and other cowards who make excuses for these monsters and want to run away all you say is all mulsums are savages and not worth your time of day or worth fighting for.
Maybe a reminder is needed
FREEDOM AINT FREE
NEVER HAS BEEN NEVER WILL BE
To leave the Iraqis to the madness of iran may not bother you for her people BUT
will it bother you when iran controls the whole gulf and the oil flow to the west???
we saw the dimmicrats crying in the USA about gas and 3.00 a gallon and the dimmicrats who will not drill in the USA for their own supply??
Remember when the mulsums roited in France last time iran was in trouble and a vote was due at the UN?
MY Q? is do dimmicrats really believe all mulsums are savages?
So as gas goes up or becames rare blame those who will not stand and fight YES those who burry their heads in the sand only get their butts shot off
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE US AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
PS
The only problem is they not only get their butts shot off but will get yours as well??
Slinces is what evil counts on...
IS THIS WHAT THE WEST WANT FOR THEMSELVES AND THERE WOMEN??
DW
October 29, 2006
Veils gag falls flat
Anti-dhimmitude in Italy. "Veils gag falls flat: An imam's 'death threat' to an Italian MP has not stopped her speaking out on Islam and feminism," by John Hooper in The Guardian, with thanks to Mackie:
Britain and Australia are not the only countries where debate is raging over the Islamic veil. In Italy, the issue burst into the news this week after the interior ministry ordered round-the-clock police protection for an MP, believing she had been threatened for expressing her views on the subject.
Daniela Santanche, an MP for the formerly neo-fascist National Alliance, clashed in a TV chat show with the imam of a mosque near Milan. After Ms Santanche insisted that the Qur'an did not call for women to wear a veil, the other guest, Ali Abu Shwaima, angrily replied: "I am an imam and I will not permit those who are ignorant to speak of Islam. You are ignorant of Islam and do not have the right to interpret the Qur'an."
Ali Abu Shwaima's charge is interesting. In the U.S. those who speak about the roots of the jihad ideology in the Qur'an and Sunnah are routinely called "ignorant" by Islamic apologists. Yet here Santanche is asserting that a more moderate view on veiling is supported by the Qur'an, and she is called "ignorant" by a hardline Muslim. So in the U.S. we are ignorant if we say Islam is radical, and in Italy we are ignorant if we say Islam is moderate. This is perhaps a measure of the relative strength and assertiveness of the Muslim communities in these two countries.
The ministry said it had been advised that the words used by the imam might amount to a coded death sentence - which the imam has vigorously denied.
At all events, his admonition has done nothing to silence Ms Santanche. A few days later she returned to the attack, comparing the veil to the yellow Star of David the Jews were forced to wear by the Nazis.
I pray that she and the other 14 come back soon, and then we send a lot of memorable souvenirs to the Ayatollahs!
"British hostages "confess" on Iranian TV."
Pardon me, but I do believe that we have a violation of the Geneva Convention here. I am quite sure that those who worry about how we treat prisoners will be up in arms over this.
I guess Iran has its own enemy combatants now.
One can only hope that the Brits will get fairer treatment than what the hypocritical Americans afford their enemy combatants.
Fear for these young people and hope all of them will safely return to their loved ones.
In olden days Kings and Generals LED FROM THE FRONT-they weren't ensconced in plush,comfortable
offices directing operations thousands of miles away in safety.
Blair deserves everything he is getting-no sacrificing of his own sons in the wars he peddles and he has been a WARMONGER since Kosovo
with his rhetoric about 'Just,Moral Wars!'
No wars are just or moral-they are about imperialism[Blair deludes himself that he can make Britain a world power again],land grabs, or
black gold-oil.
For his delusions of grandeur,thousands of innocent civilians have died-are dying for the poisoned rhetoric of a man vain enough to wear lifts in his shoes,who admitted he wanted to be an actor.
So you have Cowboy Bush[who managed to avoid military service himself] and Poseur Blair,
Tonto and the Lone Ranger, in a final showdown
at O.K Corral-Iraq.
For this unsavoury duo who have achieved-WHAT-
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THEIR GUNG HO ADVENTURES-
servicemen & women have died horribly,survivors
hideously burned & mutilated like burnt offerings
to a Molech of Western Imperialism.
With their pathetic pensions & welfare benefits
they have had their lives ruined for NOTHING-no
gain either moral or monetary unlike Rumsfeld,Dick Cheney & their cronies who have steadily got richer.
Am sure the 15 know their wonderful government will do f*ck all for them except bluster on telly
in another photo shoot opportunity-'make sure you
take the P.M's right side-his profile looks better.'
Yeah,failed artistes can be terrifying:just think
the whole course of History could have been different if they'd let Adolf Hitler into the
Vienna Academy.
tony blair's response to iran "Please release the personnel who should not have been seized in the first place."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6506361.stm
After reading this pathethic response from Tony Blair I have filled out and sent in my membership application, plus a hefty donation, to the British National Party. I urge all fellow patriotic British to do the same. Labour, Conservatism, Liberalism and the Green Party cannot help us in this war, they are our enemy.
Forget the marxist propaganda and the smear campaigns from the liberals and their marxist allies and vote/join/donate to the BNP and help end this tragic chapter in British history.
Raving
"Enemy combatant" is the term we use to describe an un-uniformed fighter performing terrorist acts without authority of a government.
The UK captives were in undisputed Iraqi waters.
Morgane
Get yourself a burkha, and if you're a feminist, dig yourself a nice litt;e grave.
turn.....WELL SAID
So we have the usual Anti-British twats like Charles Bogle. F*ck you, you are irrelevant.
We also have the usual lefty type pillocks sticking up for the enemy (any enemy will do).
The fact is when the time comes to fight this Islamic scum, we will be there to do it, not just that we will do it with pride and we will do it well. The scum will regret pissing off Britain when they are on the end of a Royal Marines bayonet.
A little history for you boys. Back in 1982 a bunch of thugs from South America invaded British territory and tore down the Union Jack. The might of the USA advised us that military force could never re-take the Falkland Islands, we should just give in to a Nazi thug called Galtieri. Our government did not agree. A naval task force was sent to recapture the islands.
During that war, a small group of Royal Marines and Guardsmen ( for the benefit of our US readers Guardmen are those chaps who tourists love to see standing outside Buckingham Palace in big furry hats ) were engaged in a violent firefight with numerically superior Argentine forces on Mount Tumbledown. They were running out of ammunition rapidly. Did they give up and run. I don't fu*king think so. The order was given to fix bayonets. They then charged the Argentinian positions and massacred the bastards, some 35 Argentines were slaughtered, the rest wisely ran away before they too were cut to ribbons. Now you know why those Guardsmen protect our Queen. There were in fact several similar bayonet charges during the Falklands war, with similar outcome. Britain went on to recover the Falkland Islands, which to this day remain British. For your information we did the same thing in Iraq around 100 Iraqis attacked a convoy of Brits outnumbering them 5:1, The Brits, running low on ammo fixed bayonets and charged them killing again around 40. To all you ignorant bastards who infer that British armed forces, and us British in general are in any way cowardly or second rate, I send you a resounding and very American style reply
FU*K YOU ASSHOLE!!!!
Our politicians may be spineless now (are yours any better at the moment?). They were both spineless in 1939. I fully expect someone like Blair to return from Tehran waving a bit of paper and declaring Peace!!.
Another Churchill will come along soon and lead Britain out of her troubles, he will doubtless help our good friends across the water to do the same. I just hope it happens quickly.
On another note The Iranian scum are now saying Faye Turney wont be released now, what a surprise. It really is very easy to tell if a Muslim is lying. If the bastard is still drawing breath, don't believe a word he says.
The bulldog spirit is alive and well, make no mistake. When the time comes us Brits will be up and at the filthy Muslims, with our bayonets if needs be.
And Please, Please enough slagging of amongst us allies, infighting will weaken us and is just what the Mozzies want to happen, that's why they love our lefty Dhimi scum so much. Root out the appeasers and the traitors on both sides, let those with the balls and will to fight the Mozzie scum stick together.
Free our 15 now.
These British sailors may or may not have been in Iranian waters when captured. Frankly, I doubt that they were.
Nevertheless, they definitely were in uniform, with insignia of rank, and recognizable as being in the armed forces of another nation, Great Britain. As such, they are beneficiaries of ALL provisions of the Geneva Conventions on the conduct of war and the treatment of captured personnel.
It is a violation of the Conventions to show them on television as recognizable individuals. To make one or more of them issue statements on television is a further violation.
Where are the leftist protesters?? Where are all the "human rights" organizations?? For that matter, Where the hell is the Red Cross??
Dhimmis and chickens and commies, every one. Makes me want to puke.
defender
Not a thought in my head or a doubt in my heart that the armed forces of the U.K. and Australia are the equal in courage and training in every single regard with the U.S.
Why do you think we train together all the time? It's to stay at the top of the game by sharing ideas all the way 'round.
Texan
Leave off the outrage. What can we expect from The Outlaw Republic of Iran?
CNN- Communist News Network, Or Crescent. Take your pic.
ABC- Always Been Communist.
CBS- Concocting B.S.
NBC- Nationally Broadcasting Communism
BBC- Been Broadcasting Communism
CBC- Canadians Broadcasting Communism
NPR- National Propaganda Radio
Ruters- for Inhansed Photos
New York Times- All the Lies fit to print
Turn:
"Leave off the outrage"??
Thank you so very very much for volunteering to be my moral, ethical, emotional compass, and for calling attention to the manner in which my opinions may be expressed so as to meet with your particular approval. Perhaps you are superior in some important ways, and I can learn from you. Please continue to evaluate me, and others, so that we can ALL have the benefit of your intellect, and of your correction.
defender
But our swim team is whompin' all ass in Oz.
Turn
"But our swim team is whompin' all ass in Oz"
Really. How exciting for you.No doubt this will be a valuable contribution to winning the war in Iraq. Perhaps Sylvester Stallone could be brought out of retirement to make another Rambo Movie about it-'American Swim Team whompin'
Iraqis with their asses'changes Defeat into
another Glorious American Victory!'
I cant quite come to terms with a swim team in Australia? I don't watch much sport, football or otherwise. I am however somewhat concerned with the prospect of Global Jihad. It does in fact piss me off a touch. It certainly pisses me off when the worst supporter of Jihad, and exporter of suicide bombers with nuclear ambitions seize 15 of my country's armed forces.
I read with interest that the UN has adopted a "watered down" version of the UK's declaration. How fu*king innocuous do we want to be to Iran? I have one reply. If the UN cant back our forces we pull them out from UN "Control" and do our own thing. When has the bloody UN achieved anything anyway? It's always left to the USA and the UK to do the dirty work. Why should we have people with no guts for a fight tying our hands?? The "diplomats" of the UN sit on their bloody arses collecting a salary whilst brave soldiers sailors and airmen (Usually Brit and US) die and are wounded. We don't need this outdated institution, it will only stick up for "the rights" of the enemy anyway. We need a strong U.S/U.K alliance, led by leaders with balls. Balls to deal with this "Jihad". I am a bit old to fight on the front line at 50'ish. I am however a very competent Radar Engineer with military systems knowledge. If our people are not released soon (and I hope they are) you will see a tide of feeling in the UK not seen for many years. This will be a very bad thing for all UK Muslims, they will be made to feel somewhat unwelcome in OUR fu*king country (we don't even want them here anyway, useless bastards!). So far, I have not seen or heard a single UK mozzie leader stand up on telly and condemn this. It just shows these people are indeed the enemy within. No support for the Flag of the country that stupidly pays their social security benefits and provides a roof above their sorry fu*king heads. They will always support their own. We must see through the lie of "multiculturalism" and demand rights for real Brits, those non Brits who wont join the fight should be asked to leave our country. What is needed is for true Brits to stand together and demand action. True Yankees should do the same!!. Don't let your culture (so like ours) be destroyed, fight for it. Don't worry, Real Englishmen will always stand by your side. There are many of us, please, please don't think we are all lefty apologists. That would be a true injustice. We speak the same language, share the same ideals, and have a long history of fighting Global Evil side by side. Ignore our politically correct institutions (the worst ever US export Sorry Guys!!). Because true Brits, the real people, are still Bulldogs and we still have the spirit for a fight. At the end of the day we are fighting for the same thing. Our way of life our cultures and freedoms. When the last Jihadi is dead the fight is over!!
Lets modernise an old Cold War saying shall we??
Better Dead than Dhimmi!!!
Turney may be a woman but she is also a British soldier. What's she wearing that teatowel for?
dhimmi, dhimmi, dhimmi.
It is encouraging to see our friends in the U.K. getting angry about whats going on in the Middle East. I am a Californian and a registered Democrat, so I'm not a Bushie.
That being said, it is clear to me that as stupid as it was to invade Iraq, we have no choose at this point but to stick it out. Otherwise we are handing the country to Iran, which will double there countries size and give them control of the largest oil reserves in the world. They worst possible thing we could do is follow the Republicans in and then follow the Democrats out.
We can all see what completely out of control lunatics these people are. Personally I would be happy to wake up tommorrow and read that half the population of Iran died as a consequence of a massive bombing, they are savages, the only thing they will understand is force.
It comes down to the survival of Islam or survival of the West. I say long live the West and "Death to Iran".
Being a Canadian we naturally have ties with the UK. I also have very close ties with the UK as both my Father and Grandfather came from Middlesex and Grandmother from Dunbar, Scotland. As such I support the majority view of the Brits here...what is happening is a "Disgrace" to all free countries but more so to the UK and the armed forces.
Iran is a rogue nation...however I also believe that the majority of Iranians that have families are truly terrified at the notion of a war in their country. As parents they would be in fear for their family. How many of us in our "Free" countries can do anything but follow our leaders...at least for the term of their office. We can only vote them out or catch them inserting cigars into places they were not meant to go (I also have many relatives in the USA...not a rub against US citizens)...but only goes to show that we are at the mercy of our government as well and the actions they take affect us.
Get the head and the body will die. Iran's leadership needs an adjustment and if there are two countries with the technology, spirit and determination it is the UK and USA. On a global aspect though...would we only be fighting Iran or would other Nations such as Russia and China interfere...they do need the oil!!! It's fine to support military action but let's look closely at the fallout from "Wreckless Action". Id Blair and his counterpart Bush really the ones to spearhead this action???? Leaves me to wonder!! I feel for the families of those service people held in Iran!!