Christian proselytizing is a capital offense under Islamic law. "Ethiopian Evangelist Beaten to Death by Militant Muslims: Militant Wahabbi Islamists Drag Christian Evangelist into Mosque and Beat Him to Death," from Christian Newswire, with thanks to Tom:
WASHINGTON, Mar. 29 /Christian Newswire/ -- The Washington-DC based human rights group, International Christian Concern (ICC) has just learned that an Ethiopian evangelist named Tedase was beaten to death by militant Muslims on Monday, March 26th, as he and two young women were on a street evangelism assignment in Jimma, Ethiopia. This marks the second time in six months that Christians residing in Southeast Ethiopia have been attacked and killed by extremist (Wahabbi) Muslims.On Monday afternoon Tedase and two female coworkers were conducting street evangelism on Merkato Street in Jimma, Southern Ethiopia. Merkato Street runs by a Wahabbi Mosque. As the team was walking by the Mosque, a group of Muslims exited the Mosque and began to run after them to confront them. Tedase's female coworkers ran away from the mob but Tedase continued on. The Muslims caught up with Tedase, pulled him into the mosque, and savagely beat him to death. Sources from Jimma reported that Tedase was beaten with a calculated intention to kill him. This was no accident or case of mob frenzy getting out of control. His body was later taken to the hospital for an autopsy and he was buried Tuesday, March 27.
Our sources also reveal that Jimma Christians were conducting an evangelism campaign, and news of the outreach was spreading among Jimma residents as well as militant Muslim groups in the area. The Muslims that belonged to the Wahabbi sect purposefully beat Tedase to death as a message to Christians that they are ready to combat evangelism.
The Muslims that belonged to the Wahabbi sect purposefully beat Tedase to death as a message to Christians that they are ready to combat evangelism
After dragging these people into the mosque.
This speaks for itself -- and the hindus are doing this also to Christians in India.
Why do I not hear about Christians attacking anyone else?
Does anyone know what the American or International laws are allowing the creation of organizations that could send money to help arm these Christians? Or do they already exist?
Or is this only illegal if you are arming Christians. We know that it is allowed for muslims, and even supported by the U.S. State Department and the U.N.
The old saying 'oooooh, to bad I guess we will have to pray for these people' is not working to well for them, and the muslims can count on no response from the Christians.
Dragged into a mosque to be beaten to death? Why am I not surprised?
The appropriate response for the Ethiopian government is to execute the entire muslim mob and demolish this mosque or convert it into a church. Send the message that this will not be tolerated. As long as they can get away with murdering non-muslims they will continue to do so. We must up the ante. Any Muslim who participates in the murder of non-muslims, even as a passive supporter, should be killed. Then the whole local Muslim community should loose their mosque and other property for tolerating such acts.
If they still insist on waging jihad, reduce THEM to absolute dhimmitude. Also tax their first-born babies to be raised as non-Muslims. If they will live peacefully under these conditions then they can avoid being exterminated completely.
Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition? I'm not a good enough Christian to be a martyr. I'd definitely shoot back; maybe shoot first.
All of this recorded for all time in rays of light and rays of sound and in the unobservable rays that permeate dark matter and energy.
Why else does the universe expand at an ever increasing rate. Thank Einstein for proving that the hereafter is now and for always.
God has all of eternity to punish Satan's minions. He has it recorded.
Yes boys and girls, believe in Hell. Either that or Einstein and his theory of relativity were all bunk.
Is this true?
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimma
"The present town was developed on the Awetu River by Italian colonialists in the 1930s. At that time, with the goal of weakening the native Ethiopian Church, the Italians intended to make Jimma an important center of Islamic learning, and founded an academy to teach fiqh."
-XRDC
Id say that's pretty damn tolerent.
Witness: The last time I checked Donald Rumsfeld and Geaorge W Bush were praying in the name of Jesus before going onto a killing frenzy of 600, 000 Iraqi Muslims. By all accounts a modest figure. It pisses me off when you only point to 'one' reported killing in some remote village but ignore what is being done in the name of the cross.
We dont know all the circumstances surrounding this case. For all we know, the victim was an apostate or insulted the prophet mohammad as he as preaching....All am saying is let us not jump to conclussion. I utterly condemn any killing that is unwarranted in Shariah...including this one....
The only people the state is allowed to kill are murderers, apostates, anyone spreading corruption through the land (eg supplying drugs and raping )
"The only people the state is allowed to kill are murderers, apostates, anyone spreading corruption through the land (eg supplying drugs and raping"
No one claimed the "state" did the killing. These were admitted Mohammed-lovers. You know...Religion of Feces.
-XRDC
Yep, that's old Don Rumsfeld and GWB, men of the book, accepted as high authority in the Christian faith, who lead huge, violent Christian militias accountable to no one. See, Christianity is even more violent than islam. God I love watching muslims and their apologists grasp and stretch for moral equivalence!
Evening chappies (and ladies!). Off topic for this thread but the comedians at the U.N have struck again;
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1258238,00.html
islam is proven that is weak and needs to kill others who practice other religions, and those muslims who leave islam are called apposates and killed by muslims, the good kind that is.
we have selected outrage by abdulah, seems he cannot remember all the killings of black muslims in dafur?
l am sure others can add more to the list.
yes those islmaist have a herd of weak minded people, they cannot compete in the world of freedom.
muslims motto, death to all freedom loving people.
Don't ever ban abdullard, he is one of our best reference weapons! He's so vain, I bet he thinks this post is about him.
Abdullah wrote:
"We dont know all the circumstances surrounding this case. For all we know, the victim was an apostate or insulted the prophet mohammad as he as preaching....All am saying is let us not jump to conclussion. I utterly condemn any killing that is unwarranted in Shariah...including this one...."
Unwarranted being the key to savagery in the name of your prophet. I can guarantee you that being apostate or insulting any religious (or political figure) is only justified by Islamic apologists.
The blood on the hands of these good muslims is not circumstantial, it is definitive.
Abdullah,
You condemn Bush and Rumsfield with one comment and then ask us to not condemn the muslims in the same breath.
You say we don't know the 'circumstances' surrounding this case. Why? Because it was in the media and we should not believe it? Or because it involved muslims.
But yet you condemn Bush and Rumsfield because you read something about them in the 'media'? So, you have a pre-formed and selective belief system.
You believe what you want and propagandize what we are to believe.
If the person killed were a muslim, then would you believe the story? But because it is a Christian we are to be in doubt and reserve ourselves from believing this article until the next Christian is killed and then you try and cast doubt on that one too?
I am not a 'Grey' seeing person, I only see black and white. Your deciept and attempt to confuse the guilt of murderers shows your colors.
that is what happens when one goes to the uncivilized un! the Brits failed to rescue their own when they were being taken hostages. now face UNstan.
@abdullah
If they were insulting the fiend muhammad (MHRIHF) then they should be given the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.
Abdullah, your presence only reinforces my opinion on the followers of the death cult you call islam.
Have you no shame, how does killing unarmed civilians whose only actions were bringing information about Jesus Christ! for that they are killed.
What would one expect from the Beast on the East River?
Which was an interesting book by Nathan Tabor by the way.
Provoslavni said:
"Also tax their first-born babies to be raised as non-Muslims".
I'd say go one further than that. Raise them as soldiers trained to fight Islamists with every brutal tactic they can devise. Janissaries in reverse.
Sorry
What would one expect from the Beast on the East River?
Which was an interesting book by Nathan Tabor by the way.
Posted by: gaelen at March 29, 2007 04:55 PM
was in reference to this post:
Evening chappies (and ladies!). Off topic for this thread but the comedians at the U.N have struck again;
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1258238,00.html
Posted by: Uriel Septim at March 29, 2007 04:40 PM
you do not want these people in your neighborhood...Ban Muslim immigration now.
"going onto a killing frenzy of 600, 000 Iraqi Muslims."
...this is a lie.....now it may be true that Muslims have killed such a large number of Muslims....after all, they are killing each other at a rate of 75-100 a day....(men, women, children , the elderly and the sick and the lame...it doesn't matter)
Muslims are a Muslims worst enemy....
Islam is a thrill kill machine....
Fedupinamerica-
Try this…
You logged onto Jihad Watch
Like it was your internet Jihad
Your hat held porkrinds for your high
Your headscarf smelled like pot
You had one eye twitching constantly
As you cried Allahu Ackbar
And of the girls you dreamed
They'd be your virgins
Your black-eyed virgins, and....
You're so vain
You probably think this thread is about you
You're so vain
I'll bet you think this thread is about you
Don't you? Don't you?
-XRDC
ZenaWarriorPrincess said
Allah (and Muslims) has a severe inferiority complex. He is worried that if the Muslim people hear a different message, about peace and tolerance and forgiveness, they may lose interest in Allah's message of murder, rape, and pedophilia. Allah may not be omniscient, but he's at least smart enough to know which message reasonable people would prefer.
For Abdullah and the other Muslim apologists lurking upon this Truthful site, this Ethiopian Christian is but a list of mustard gas poisoned murders in Darfur by Muslims, the murder, destruction and mayhem in Serbia, Bosnia and Kosovo by Muslims destroying Churches and digging up Christian graves to decaptitated Christians from Syria to the far east by Muslims.
Let us get the point straight my Muslim friends, George Bush was praying to thee Living God and he was talking to Muslims BEFORE he declared war which is a God given right to defend America from Muslims blowing up women and children at US Embassies, in Saudi Arabia, on the USS Cole, slashing American women's throats on US flights on 9 11 and then murdering 3000 people.
Muslim response, except in Iran at that time, was Muslims cheering in the streets over murder while sane people, Hindu people, Communist people, Christian people all were deploring the events.
As for the record on the State executing "apostates", you are incorrect as Islam is incorrect as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Ishmael never went around executing people who did not believe in thee God.
Moses did not nor did God ever set down decrees for executing people who did not believe in thee God as that would have meant the entire world would die.
Jesus Whom Islam even warrants as of thee God never once advocated executing apostates as that is the REALM OF GOD'S JUDGEMENT AND NOT MEN.
Now if you somehow know more than Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael who is the father of Muhammed, Moses and Jesus, then you are wrong as anyone in Islam for advocating this type of death.
God declares that He wills all to come to Him and be His. He does not advocate the execution of unbelievers, but the opportunity in their life to grow to belief in God.
Mr. Abdullah and all Islamists you have no idea what God's Law is nor Who God is in Redemption. You have placed the Koran over God turning it into an idol like Muhammed to be chanted and followed. There is but one God Who is Lord. He is so diverse and creation full that His Thoughts manifest as Life and Their presence manifest as His Living Spirit.
Islam like most people have no comprehension of God and limit Him to their human frailty. So stop preaching at this site and advocating by groups such as CAIR for your ignorance shows you are void of God's Wisdom every time you type what is in your hearts which is nothing but human hatred and self loathing.
Come join the children of God and learn the Truth and learn how to speak it Abdullah and my Muslim friends. It will set you free of the bondage which cuffs you to an existence of fear.
God bless you to learn in God's Spirit. In His Name. Amen
Abdullah wrote:
"For all we know, the victim was an apostate or insulted the prophet mohammad as he as preaching"
Preaching anything but Islam in a public place is considered insulting to Allah, so therefore, the killing is justified in Islam.
That's the "beauty" of Islam. The killing of infidels is ALWAYS justified.
The very fact that the Cult of Islam freely condones murder in multiple forms should be the surest proof that it is a scourge that was never meant for the world.
And blaming Wahhabism is like trying to tell people that only panthers with a toothache are dangerous. I'm sick and tired of all the damn excuses.
IT'S WAR.
GET USED TO IT.
Islam is the Enemy.
ONLY SATAN WOULD DENY THE ATONEMENT!
muhammad (MHRIHF) is the opposite of Jesus Christ.
muhammad is the anti-Christ.
islam is the BEAST!
And now for the first time, a revelation:
The "mortal wound" that the Beast heals is:
drumroll...
islam denying that Jesus was killed on the Cross.
Re: Ethiopia: Muslims beat Christian evangelist to death
A whole lot of insecurity going on here. It reminds me of Ibby Hooper. My hunch is that Ibby has a microscopic Dougie and that's why he turned to Islam. (I'll bet I've got Ibby's #-good guess, right Ibby?). Check out "pig eyes" Ibby Hooper's background. I'll bet there's a lot there. He's a regular charmer, pushing his hand in the camera face...not unlike these bullies who beat the Christian evangelist to death.
Ibby, you are really frightened of Robert too (I'll bet I'm right on that). You don't like people who got your #. Do you Ibby?
I don't expect the MSM to get upset about this, it's only a Christian getting killed. Now if it was journalist, then it is a tragedy and they wax eloquently about the journalist's devotion to truth yada, yada, yada.
Jihadi Muslims will kill, kill and kill again for the evil that is in their hearts. However, evil will not triumph.
Tadese - gave his life to save Muslims from evil, and some day ex-Muslims will acknowledge the debt they owe to real martyrs as Tadese or Van Gogh.
What can one say to those such as Abdullah, who come on this site and claim that this is not Islam. All one can do is to ask them to think what they are doing by supporting an wicked ideology created by a monster such as Muhammed, which has seriously damaged the lives of hundreds of millions of people, and hope that he will see the light.
Violence does not pay, and violence specifically in the name of religion will never pay.
This speaks for itself -- and the hindus are doing this also to Christians in India. Why do I not hear about Christians attacking anyone else?
Posted by: witness
Any links?
We dont know all the circumstances surrounding this case. For all we know, the victim was an apostate or insulted the prophet mohammad as he as preaching...
this said by Abdullah, now if anyone who would say muhammad was a monster, a false prohpet, then in your words this person would be killed?
Abdullah why do you live among the English? it seems you are not evolved enough to live among the civilized. Do you know the French philospher "Voltaire", in so many words, he said l might not agree with what you have to say, but l would defend to the death your right to say it.
now that is enlightened thinking! Islam cannot be contented to be accepted by their own followers, but it needs to be accepted by non muslims. So
Abdullah if you cannot accept the freedom of speech, freedom of thought, you should pack up your bags, and head back to the land of death cult islam, aka pakistan, or any other stan. you certainly do not
belong living among Western people. you belong in your islamic cesspoolstan.
Abdullah posted: For all we know, the victim was an apostate or insulted the prophet mohammad as he as preaching.
In effect you are saying that apostasy or insulting muhammed justifies being beaten to death. Is that so?
Abdullah
Here are the arguments of muslims who claim islam is peace:
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YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
Hmmmm,
Then there's the "no compulsion in religion" line
Then there's the "you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe" line.
But in reality, in the truthful world, islam is not peace. Islam resides under the sword.
dragged into a mosque and killed. . .
What a fitting example of Islam in practice. After all, the mosque is where moslems go to have their brains killed. As a Christian, this man obviously still had his brain, and as an adult he'd used it enough to make it strong, and so they had to kill him completely. Moslems have their brains killed in the mosques at a very early age, and spend their lives as unthinking zombies.
Just think folks this will be coming to a neighborhood near YOU.
"Ethiopian Evangelist Beaten to Death by Militant Muslims: Militant Wahabbi Islamists Drag Christian Evangelist into Mosque and Beat Him to Death,"
They dragged him into a ***mosk***.
Which means that mosks are from now on part of the theatre of this war. The enemy has kiled one of ours in a ***mosk***.
We can no longer guarantee them sanctuary inside their mosks. Since we now have official proof that they continue their warlike acts inside their ***mosks*** we can no longer STOP outside of their mosks in pursuit of this war.
Got that, Mr. Dhimya?
PS. No American money for restoration of the 'golden dome' mosk! Tax breaks for the Middle Class would be money well spent, Mr. Dhumbya!
PS PS. Halliburton is moving to Dubai because the end is near. the end of Dhumbya's term.
They know Rudy will investigate - even if he's a Republican. He's not like the rest, he's clean.
Poor Abdullah and his ilk. The worst suffering of a modern-day muslim must be the agony of having a brain and the capacity for rational thought. One has to jum through such hoops and make such labyrinthine excuses in order to make sense out of a world where freedom, cognative reasoning, and the rotund aspect of the earth pose such a challenge. Pope Benedict (and good ole brother Paleologus) know whereof they speak.
To have to devise such absurdities as "perhaps they were apostates or insulting the 'prophet'" are part and parcel of life in a system that defies any thoughtful excuse for existence!
If islam is victorious in the end, it will be far worse for thoughtful and spiritual human beings than an all-out atomic war. I truly pity the unsuspecting frightened-to-death muslims throughout the world who have been raised in this bizarre mentality called islam.
Well as sad as this is, the fact that he was Evangelical will bring some sympathy to many in the west, if he was an Orthodox Ethiopian chances are we'd be blaming him.
So, by their logic, we should beat all Muslims in the West to death, since every Mohammedan is sworn to proselytize their faith?
Catch-23, Islam style.
What's good for the lamb is good for the camel.
What cowards the moe's are, dragging a defenceless man inside to murder him. Where's that religion of peace, what a crock.
Just another day in the religion of Baal.
"Kill,kill kill"
So, by their logic, we should beat all Muslims in the West to death, since every Mohammedan is sworn to proselytize their faith?
Catch-23, Islam style.
What's good for the lamb is good for the camel.
Posted by: profitsbeard
Let's roll!
New Catmeat Mufti in Denmark:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/29/new-catmeat-mufti-in-denmark-women-risk-becoming-a-victim-of-an-attack-if-they-dont-adapt-themselves-and-wear-a-hijab/
This man, Tedase, was a martyr.
He exhibited the strength of his convictions and remained true to them. But before anyone dares suggest that all strong convictions are equal, let me point that there was no description of his wearing a bomb belt. Odd, that.
He laid down his life for his friends, the two women who escaped.
Whether or not one is Christian, whether or not one is irked by proselytizing of any sort, one must admit that this man's behavior was consistent with its founder's own example, so different and than the example that Mohammed left to the world.
By their fruits shall you know them.
This is how real martyrs and saints are made, resigned faith in the face of enraged persecution.
Abdullah
As a Muslim, and hopefully with compassion for your fellow man, it must be apparant to you that trying to defend the indefensible such as Islam, is debasing God's gift to you of life, and a mind.
Tadese is a genuine martyr, as he willingly put himself in danger to bring the message of the love of God to all, Muslims included. Not fearful and abject submission to allah, but the love of God for you.
It saddens me that a thinking human being is unable to see what is so evident - that Islam distorts and destroys the essential goodness that we all aspire to.
Give up Islam and start to do good, rather then think of such lamentable and indefensible excuses for the followers of Islam, as the ones you made.
I hope you see this post, and have not switched off. Shutting your eyes though will do no good.
For another take on this see here:
http://blog.myspace.com/eminemsrevenge
By the way, DP111, what does the "DP" stand for? Never mind. I get it.
I think it was better in Iraq under Saddams rule because at least he punished his people without anyone finding out.
For me president Bush is not so Christian as he makes out he has connections with cult secret societies and maybe it's not so far off from Islam afterall if the deciver is playing on both sides of the court it looks like all one entity is at play.
As for this story the issue is that this is what happens when you drop a Christian in a Muslim pond and why there are hardly any Christians in them too. That is why in the Christian ponds many come to drink from the river of life but end up polluting it with silly demands and changes of rule and make the water so muddy no one can live right, it just turns into choppy water and people are fed up it seems.
If the Muslims feel that living in a muddy pond is the same for everyone and everyone has to live in it it's fairness and equal but the problem is they forget that a clear pond with life exists too one that is free to swim in where you can even see your future wife before you decide to marry her. You still get clay and mud at the bottom of a clear pond and if people chose to live in that rather than the clear water its their choice but its annoying when they stir up dirt and make it hard on the clear minded.
Just back from the "Religion of Peace.com" (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com).
The current tally of those murdered in the name of Islam is 7868.
Despite all the talk of hatred for various folks, I would bet 99% of those 7868 murdered who are non-Muslims are... Christians. They want to murder others but who they actually do murder are Christians.
Robert is writing a new book about why Christianity really is a religion of peace as compared to Islam. Many need to read it.
The current tally of those murdered in the name of Islam is 7868.--Joe
Actually, the 7,868 is the number of Islamic terrorist attacks perpetrated since 9/11; so the number of casualties is much, much higher than 7,868.
Of course they dragged him into the mosque to beat him to death...that is where they learned the practice.
Who now can deny that we are at war with islam???
If they want to play kill-you-because-of-your-religion, well, let the games begin....
It pisses me off when you only point to 'one' reported killing in some remote village but ignore what is being done in the name of the cross.
Only one reported killing? Only one? So you do you believe it is the Christians who are wearing the suicide belts; hijacking schools and murdering children; flying civilian airlines into civilian buildings?
Only one you ask?
And tell me, what Christian organizations are doing anything other than feeding, and clothing islamics and giving them medical care?
We dont know all the circumstances surrounding this case. For all we know, the victim was an apostate or insulted the prophet mohammad as he as preaching....
So it is okay to murder people you consider "apostate?" Lovely, tolerant religon you got there. If that is what your prophet mohammad teaches you, he should be insulted! Vigorously! And condemned for the murderer he is!
All am saying is let us not jump to conclussion. I utterly condemn any killing that is unwarranted in Shariah...including this one....
Yes, shariah is your murderous justification is it?
The only people the state is allowed to kill are murderers, apostates, anyone spreading corruption through the land (eg supplying drugs and raping )
The state killed these people? Is that what you are claiming?
This speaks for itself -- and the hindus are doing this also to Christians in India. Why do I not hear about Christians attacking anyone else?
Posted by: witness
Any links?
Of course
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54924
http://www.gcic.us/press.htm
Hindu Nationalists Seek to 'Indianize' Christians
In a fresh attack on Christians and Muslims, the Hindu nationalist Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has joined the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) in demanding their Indianization. "We are not demanding conversion of Muslims and Christians into Hindus. For the sake of unity and integrity of the country, we are demanding that they should be indigenized, and be given Indian names," he said.
Last October, RSS chief K. S. Sudershan called on Christians and Muslims to cut their spiritual links with "foreign sources." In a separate development, the VHP's general secretary claimed that about 33,000 people had been converted to Christianity in the northern state of Sikkim in the last 25 years. He added that the figure was compiled by VHP workers touring villages, cautioning people against conversion.
Meanwhile the VHP says it is planning to revamp its image and highlight its "social work" component in the rural areas among the backward castes and tribals. According to VHP's chief of social projects, the aim is to counter the influence of Christian missionaries.
I don't know if any of you have been to this site or not but the video is interesting.After you view the video click to enter the site and scroll down to the map.
http://www.usawakeup.org/
And all that jazz
The Muslim Abdullah posted: “We don’t know all the circumstances surrounding this case. For all we know, the victim was an apostate or insulted the prophet mohammad as he as preaching....All am saying is let us not jump to conclussion. I utterly condemn any killing that is unwarranted in Shariah...including this one.... The only people the state is allowed to kill are murderers, apostates, anyone spreading corruption through the land (eg supplying drugs and raping )Posted by: Abdullah at March 29, 2007 04:28 PM
Obviously Abdullah is a believer in Sharia law and therefore believes that as long as this Christian evangelist may have either been a Muslim apostate or “insulted” the prophet (whatever that means) he deserved what he had coming. But Abdullah would also think it is justified to murder any non-Muslims guilty of “spreading corruption through the land”. He gives as examples of such, “supplying drugs and raping”, both of which, as examples, avoid the central issue, which is:
Is Christian evangelizing in Muslim lands what you would consider “spreading corruption” (and “mischief”)?
Abdullah – in your opinion would that also warrant a death penalty? And if so, given that you live in the west (GB apparently), I would assume you would feel perfectly justified in “evangelizing” on behalf of Islam. If so, I would like you to explain clearly your reasoning that it would be justified for Muslims to beat a Christian evangelist to death, as in this story (for spreading “corruption”), while it would not be equally defensible for westerners to beat YOU to death in Britain, were you caught practicing da’wa anywhere remotely near a church or merely anywhere in the vicinity of prickly westerners raised in the Christian tradition who might find your da’wa threatening to them for whatever reason?
Others here have asked you pointed questions and I see no response. I expect you to answer this question and also to answer the reasonable questions that others have raised. If you refuse to make a good faith effort to do so, then personally I think you should either be banned altogether for posting in bad faith or folks here should simply stop responding to your posts altogether.
I could probably spend a few hours researching and come up with the number of present sects of Islam--but why reinvent the wheel? Robert could post this anytime.
I could probably spend years trying to come up with the number of Hindu splinter sects.
The Hindus of India may be sorely tired of their persecution by 'slammis and don't recognize the difference between the Message of Jesus and the murderous demands of allah.
(Ynkedoodl2--I like that MHRIHF. Is that "may he rot in hell forever" or "may he roast in hell forever"? Oh...never mind.)
That said, no peaceful (and charitable) person or group should ever fall victim to persecution and threat.
So ask: are the Hindu actions described much more than reactionary responses to a perceived threat to their culture and religion? Or are they scripturally mandated to make the entire world Hindu?
I think the answer is patently obvious.
Christians have been in harm's way to spread the Good News for close to 2000 years now. Christ died for our sins but St. Stephen was the first (recorded) to be martyred for Christ.
Tedase was just the most recent of a very long and blessed Host of martyrs. Christian martyrs--not the shaheed variety of self boomers.
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Maybe there are 'moderate' Muslims that monitor this site; I actually hope so.
I have a message for you.
I know you love your history--the glorious tales of your magnificent Salad'in in his victories and your ignominious expulsion from Andalusia just before Cristofore Colombo's discovery of the New World.
Study, if you will, the history of the English and subsequent US expansion and conquest of North America. By 1875 there was a commonly held belief regarding the aboriginal population.
Please demand that your violence-minded brothers STOP their jihad or face the notion that " the only Good muslim is..."
"The Muslims caught up with Tedase, pulled him into the mosque, and savagely beat him to death".
Before receiving enlightenment on the "the religion of peace" I always thought of a mosque as a place where Muslims pray. Well, nowadays if that activity does take place THAT should be in the news, because it seems like mosques are centers for just about every abomination under the sun. And Muslims wonder why infidels don't want to see more mosques built in their lands and why they aren't looked upon as being very rational?
This speaks for itself -- and the hindus are doing this also to Christians in India.
Why do I not hear about Christians attacking anyone else?
While the events in India are deplorable, this site is focused on Islamic jihad, not the Hindutva. But it's interesting that the Hindutva movements arose as a reaction to Muslim violence (it always seems to come back to that).
Interesting difference between a Christian martyr who dies for Christ's sake and islamic murderers that claim to be martyrs by murdering others for their demon god (Satan = Allah).
At least we can take heart that this Christian man is now truly wearing a martyr's crown because he loved the muslims enough to share the Gospel at the risk of his own life.
This guy brings to mind the stoning of Stephen.
A posting from six months ago on Ethiopia:
"Ethiopia plays a special role, as a Christian kingdom, in both the history of Islam and the history of Christianity. Because of an event that supposedly took place during Muhammad's lifetime, when many dozens of his followers found refuge from enemies in Ethiopia, a refuge freely offreed by the Negus, Ethiopia was given a special status in Islam, and for many centuries was, supposedly, therefore not the object of Muslim attack. Whether or not that was observed or honored in the breached is unclear. Certainly Arab slavers worked to the north in what is now the Sudan, to the west in the Congo (Tippoo Tib was not the only Muslim slavers about whom Stanley and Livingston presumed), and to the south -- Pemba and Zanzibar being under the control of the Sultan of Muscat and Oman, for centuries, and used as a holding pen for black slaves then later brought by dhow to the Arab and Ottoman slave markets). And certainly Arab Muslims conducted Da'wa -- through violence as well as missionary work -- on the Horn of Africa (see Somalia, see Eritrea). And now it is clear that since Muslims have the way, they certainly have the will to boldly go after the Christian Kingdom of Ethiopia, conducting campaigns of Da'wa and intimidation deep within Ethiopia -- all you have to do is find and debrief any number of Christian Ethiopian students in this country. They will set you right.
In the history of Western Christendom, the role of the Christian Kingdom of Ethiopia is also as singular. If in Islam a special pass was, for some time, honored in regard to Christian Ethiopia, which might explain its continued existence as an independent Christian kingdom, in Christian Europe, imperilled by Islam, constantly under assault, sometimes by Arab armies both East (Spain and into France) and West (Byzantium, and much of southeastern and central Europe, as far north as Hungary), and under constant assault by Muslim raidrs up and down the coasts of Italy and France and all the way to England, Ireland, even on one famous occasion to Iceland, destroying villages, killing many, and kidnapping and then enslaving others -- men, women, and children -- who were then brought back to Muslim lands, there to work as slaves, and to be islamized, and to have their own pasts erased.
In this, hope was needed, and hope arose in the form of a myth: the myth of a powerful Christian kingdom, ruled by a benign and powerful Chrstian king, Prester John. And where was this powerful Kingdom of Prester John? It was far away, on the other side of the lands seized by, and now ruled by, Muslims. It was a distant, yet powerful dream-ally, comforting to the imagination of fearful Christians. At first their imagination placed the Kingdom of Prester John in distant India. Later, in an act of geopolitical remue-menages (and remue-meninges, to quote the only memorable pun Jack Lang ever made)-- the Allied-Van-Lines of the European imagination transferred the Kingdom of Prester John, in its imaginary location, to Ethiopia. Fear-inducing Islam prompted the necessary comforting myth. The European mind did the necessary lifting, moving the whole kingdom several thousand miles from India to East Africa. Quite a feat.
Look into Ethiopia. See why the American government, instead of wasting so much in Iraq, ought to be helping the Christian government to maintain itself, and to campaign against, to shut down wherever possible, the campaigns of Da'wa being ceaselessly conducted within the borders of Ethiopia. And if the American government actually had a clever grasp of things, it would right now be stationing troops, and giving money, to the Ethiopians, as it should to black African Christians everywhere, so that they can combat the instruments of Jihad --- including all those Saudi-built and Saudi-maintained mosques transforming the syncretistic, easygoing Islam of the marabouts of West Africa as well (see the horrifying transformation of Islam taking place in Niger; try to get bigshots to pay more attention to that, and a bit less attention to the entirely trivial and uninteresting saga of the trivial and uninteresting Joseph Wilson et ux.).
Study up on Ethiopia and how an American force in southern and eastern Sudan, there to "rescue the people of Darfur," would do so much to draw attention to the Arab Muslim aggression against black Africans, whether Christians and animists, or non-Arab and, therefore, in the eyes of Arabs expendable because inferior Muslims), and do much to raise the morale of black African Christians, or Hamitic ones -- in the once and possibly future Kingdom of Prester John.
You will discover that there is more to learn about Ethiopia than tips on collecting Ethiopian Coptic textiles, the brouhaha over obelisk taken from Axum to Rome, the precise place from which f Pushkin's ancestor likely came, Father Ludolf, Johnson's "Rasselas," and Ryszard Kapuscinski's book on Haile Selassie, and of course those who, in Marcus-Garvey fashion, saw in Selassie, Ras Tafari, the leader of that cult. or possibly religion (what's the difference? who decides?) of Rastafarians who, as Robert Lowell once wrote, comb marijuana out of their hair."
[Posted by: Hugh at October 22, 2006 08:41 AM]
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The Parthenon in Athens was commandeered by the Mohammedan invaders of Greece and converted into a mosque. But it was also a dual-use munitions dump. Which is why it blew up when this ancient classical relic (the ruins we now see on the Acropolis, after it survived for 2000 years relatively intact) was hit by an errant shell from the returning Christian defenders.
The projectile fell into their mosque/ammo dump and the whole place exploded.
A mosque is essentially a center of sedition.
(Unless you think a pedophile warlord is a good thing.)
One more:
Fitzgerald: The jihad against Ethiopia
"Ethiopia is a country which, in the past thirty years, has repeatedly known major famine. We have all seen the pictures. Yet the headwaters of the Nile begin in Ethiopia, and intelligent irrigation projects could save many lives in Ethiopia.
Yet Egypt has been threatening, and screaming, that Ethiopia's plans are outrageous. And if the threats and screams do not work, then the Egyptians try smiles, and wiles, and offers to cooperate, if only -- oh, if only the Egyptians are given a veto over what Ethiopia does, and how much water it diverts.
Never mind that it the Ethiopians who for years have suffered, and that Egypt looks benignly on the massacres of the blacks in the southern Sudan, because it wishes to extend Arab Muslim power down to where it will immediately threaten what has always been seen, in Islam and in the West, as the celebrated Christian kingdom of Ethiopia. Securing the Sudan is one element; threatening Ethiopia from Eritrea and Somalia and from the Arabs of Egypt and the Sudan from the north, and also from within the country with a very aggressive program of da'wa (conversion) which can always become subversion, is another.
Ethiopia, in Islam, was once accorded special status because 82 families of followers of Muhammad supposedly found temporary refuge there from the pagan Meccans. Gratitude to the Christian Negus of Ethiopia entitled the country to a kind of special status, as dar al-sulh, a kind of halfway house between dar al-Islam and dar al-harb. But that gratitude, and that special consideration, however minor it may have been, is not demonstrated in the slightest by Egypt's proprietary and exclusivist claims on the Nile waters.
If Ethiopia wishes to divert waters to feed people who have lacked, until now, the wherewithal and the technical assistance to use those waters for irrigation, that should be encouraged by the entire Infidel world. Egypt's threats, Egypt's wiles, should be seen in the proper context. The Arabs everywhere in North Africa essentially treat the black Africans with contempt. Indeed, in Darfur, the Arabs tried to wipe out black Africans -- as there is ample testimony from survivors -- even if they were Muslim.
It is not surprising that Egypt should attempt to arrogate to itself the water of the Nile, and deny, even in its nascent stage, the attempt of the oldest free black African country to recover its equilibrium. After all, Ethiopia is a country so celebrated for its long history of Christianity that, when Western Christendom imagined a Christian realm beyond Islam that represented an ally that might be counted on for succor and protection, they placed the Kingdom of Prester John first in India -- and then in Ethiopia.
Those in Western Europe who claim to have the interests of the Third World at heart really have to be put to the test. They sided with the Muslims in Biafra. They have not moved a finger to aid the Christian blacks in the southern Sudan, and have done nothing to denounce the Arab Muslim genocide against them that has lasted more than 20 years. They seem not to know much, and care nothing about, the continued enslavement of blacks by Muslim Arabs in Mali and in Mauritania. They do not take the side of the government of Tanzania, trying to deal with Arab revanchism in Pemba and Zanzibar.
And what will they say about Ethiopia and its need for water? One suspects that the phony left, including the Anglican clergy who have never gone to the aid of the African Anglicans under attack by Islam, will say nothing – nothing whatsoever.
Really, it is important for the American government to do something dramatic -- for nothing will come from Europe, not even from, or especially not from -- the co-religionists of the black African Christians under assault in Africa.
I have repeatedly suggested that a small force could seize the southern Sudan and secure it until the local black population, Christian and animist, Dinka and Nuer and others, can vote on their own independence. Why should they not? And why should the sinister regime in Khartoum, which keeps denying it has anything to do with the Janjaweed in Darfur, be heeded in the slightest?
Why is the American government, too, hellbent on ignoring what is happening to black Christians throughout Africa, and doing nothing to help or protect them against Muslim depredation and aggression and threats?
Ethiopia is one test. Nigeria is another test. And the Sudan is yet another. Let us see."
[Posted December 14, 2005 07:52 AM}
The Copts of Egypt and Ethiopia are the oldest extant Christian sect. As such, must respect is deserved.
Down to it Copts are like Jews--ultimately threatened with death for their Faith.
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Christ returns not as The Lamb but as a Flame (Light) and a Righteous Warrior. In His example we must be exemplars of the same.
Hugh
This is hard.
Baby steps.
Interesting posts Hugh. Your whole premise though is that the U.S. governement has special interest in the welfare of Christians living amidst or next to Muslim majority poplulations. Sadly, no such special interest seems to exist.
Time for a little Bible wisdom?
1 John 3:
This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.
Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous.
Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers.
Anyone who does not love remains in death.
Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers...
... And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us."
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Do not forget: No murderer has eternal life!
Dragged him into a mosque and beat him to death? A group of rational, tolerant human beings? I think not. This is modern day fruit of the doctrines of demons, religious fervor from the pit of hell.
Dragged him into a mosque and beat him to death
Can anyone imagine Christians doing such a thing - dragging a person into a church and beating him to death. No way. No Christian or Christians would ever allow this. Besides a church is a place of refuge. A vicar would take the cross and give his life to protect anyone threatened with such a barbarity in church.
Even lapsed Christians would have that something in them, that would prevent them from even having such a thought as dragging a person into a church to beat him to death.
Yet Muslims think nothing of it, for in their eyes this is a completely normal thing to do. The Imam of the mosque could have put a stop to this murder but didnt, as he himself sees nothing wrong with it.
Now we come to Abdullah. Abdullah has not replied to the posts addressed to him under the pretence that he has not seen them.
Any person who claims to be genetically half white would have some remnants of the codes that implicitly guide our thoughts and actions. In this Abdullah has shown that he is completely lacking in such mores. He, like many Muslims are worried, that their occupation of Western lands may come to a stop, and he will use any and all lies so that Muslims can continue to occupy our lands. (Remember IA786, though he eventually admitted, to his credit, that in the final analysis, we had the right to defend ourselves as we wish)
I have noticed over the years that when the topic of deportation or repatriation of Muslims comes up, the response from Muslims is hysterical. Many claim that they were born here, or have Western ancestry, or whatever. Abdullah is no different. He practices deception at every step. In this one moral litmus test when he could have unequivocally condemned the murder of Tadese, as well any justifications in the Koran for such, he failed.
"Dragged him into a mosque and beat him to death?"
...probably having a show and tell day for the young Islamic children of the local Muslim madrassas....
Witness
Thanks for the links.
Would somebody kindly remind me why we went into Kosovo. Something about what's good for the goose keeps coming to mind.
Provoslavni you said...The appropriate response for the Ethiopian government is to execute the entire muslim mob and demolish this mosque or convert it into a church. that would then be counted as discrimination... tongue in cheek....
Abdullah said...
The last time I checked Donald Rumsfeld and Geaorge W Bush were praying in the name of Jesus before going onto a killing frenzy of 600, 000 Iraqi Muslims.
Firstly Abdullah, that number is exceeding exagerated, and I also wish Bush had not gone into Iraq, and left them to continue to slaughter each other at the horrific rate that they were doing....then we wouldnt have got the blame..
Next...the biggist percentage of Americans dont believe in the Bible and the cross, so nothing can be done in the name of the cross anymore, so most westerns are what you would call pagans. American leaders often pretend to be christians to get the christian vote.. so dear man you cannot judge all the people in the west by the standards of the cross, most Americans believe in nothing but themselves...
Then you said....
For all we know, the victim was an apostate or insulted the prophet mohammad as he as preaching..
Do you mean to tell me that you are so inhuman that you would kill a person for saying these things, how barbaric...
Abdullah then you say...
The only people the state is allowed to kill are murderers, apostates, anyone spreading corruption through the land (eg supplying drugs and raping )
Hey, who has the right to take the life of someone who doesnt believe in your god...and what you Muslims think is corruption is different to anyone else, and when it comes to rape, it is generally only the poor girl who gets killed.. as they say that she must have provoked the weak male.. girls as young as 9 have been put to death because they were raped... the man gets off scott free..all this big strong man has to do is say that she provoked me and he is free and she dies...
Come on Abdullah, the non Muslim is not the innocent to you, in the eyes of Muslism we are to die... but because we are a domocracy and at the moment as our parliament and beliefs have been based on the bible for 2000 years, we have the belief that we do not kill, we will help others as the reason for going into Iraq to stop your people being slaughered, and we have gone into other countries when asked for help, but we dont believe in killing like you do...we are stupid enough to want to help all nations and of course some die in the process...and so do some of ours while we try to help... but you cant see that as you have been posioned by the propaganda that your people tell you... so I too wish we had just left you all to kill each other...then thousands of our men and women would still be alive...and many more than the 600.000 of yours would be dead...
Lame Cherry, that was fantastic,,, I had never thought of putting it like that.. so true and so good...Jesus the head of the Christian faith never killed or hurt anyone, on the other hand Mohammad himself raided and slaughtered in many towns, and ordered his people to raid towns and take their booty children and women, and Mohammad said to slaughter all who will not submit, , Mohammad said that it is not fitting for a prophet to take slaves until there has been a great slaughter in the land...yep, he sure is a great leader... Islam is the only religion on the earth whose leader orders his people to slaughter those who will not submit, all other religions preach peace and love..What do these countries have in common,, Spain, Tunisia, Iraq, Russia, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Turkey, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kenya, Tanzania, Bali, Indonesia, Philippines, USR, Egypt, Britain, Then there is : Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, Armenia, Macedonia, Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Chechnya, Russia, Kashmir, Pakistan, Indonesia and the Philippines, Timor, the Malaccan islands and others, they have all been struck by terror attacks . .
Tens of thousands of people die every year in Sudan, and more thousands die in places like Indonesia, Timor, the Malaccan islands etc, all done by guess who... Muslims... not Christians, not Hindus not Buddhists... but Muslims.... just as they have done for the last 1400 years.. they have raided ships on the seas, they have raided towns and slaughtered everyone they find... so of course the infidel, pagans, Christians and Jews are going to try to stop you taking over their country and if that means that they have to kill thousands of your people to save themselves, then so be it, we will do it...
For a Muslim to keep his word to an infidel at the expense of opportunities to expand Islamic power is the Islamic equivalent of a mortal sin.
Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves. The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the “non-Muslim” older men and women as possible so the preferred “booty” of only young women and children could be collected.
More than 1100 incidents of piracy have been reported worldwide since 1999 In 2001 alone, there were 335 incidents of piracy...
February 25, 2007 Pirates have hijacked a cargo ship delivering UN food aid to north eastern Somalia. These pirates were Muslims,,,, but notice Abdullah it was the infidel who were trying to help the Somalia people, it was the infidels who sent millions to help your Muslim brothers in Indonesia after the tsunami, it was the infidel who sent in food to help your people in Iraq etc etc.. it is the infidel who send millions every year to help your people from all countries in the west, but it doesn't seem to reach your people, it appears that your own leaders keep a lot of it for themselves and let your people continue to stave.. we dont hear of your people sending millions to help your own people after any disasters, we do it...yep we sure are bad,,
That ''Christian Evangelist'' put the gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger.
I feel no sympathy for him.
Separationism: The ONLY answer.
That ''Christian Evangelist'' put the gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. I feel no sympathy for him. Separationism: The ONLY answer.
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That Christian evangelist was on a street in HIS OWN COUNTRY! Ethiopia is the second oldest officially Christian nation, having converted in the 4th century AD. Now the Saudis are funding these Mosques to spread the Muslim virus. That resulted in the murder of a Christian man preaching Christianity in an officially Christian country and YOU THINK HE DESERVED IT!!!
So is your "Separationism" is just another dhimmi surrender of another ancient Christan civilization to the Islamic hordes? To where should the Ethiopian Christians seperate? Eventually we'd run out of refuges as the Muslims gobble up one nation after another. I say it's time to stop the Islamic advance and turn it back. This Ethiopian Evangelist is a Christian martyr and a true hero in the fight for civilization. He was doing exactly what he should have been doing! Building up the historic Christian faith of his own culture.
From the linked site:
I agree with 3 of the 4 premises.
May the blood of the martyr be the seed of the church.
May we live to see the day when Christian Arabians openly worship in Jesus' name in Mecca itself.
Abdullah, come and join us. Your religion is a lie.
Your Da'wa boys never can explain how, if the Christians and Jews corrupted the Scriptures, they came up with the same Old Testament, even when they refused to cooperate with each other.