A few questions. Are Muslims anywhere in the West now working in the passport-issuing services? Are they working in the immigration and naturalization services? Are they privy to plans for investigating fraud that might allow fellow Muslims to remain in this or other Western countries, or allow them to bring in plural wives, or in other ways fiddle the system?
Muslims are taught that the world is divided between Believer and Infidel. They are taught that they have a duty to participate, always collectively but sometimes, as well, individually, in the Jihad. That is the struggle to remove all the obstacles of Islam that remain anywhere, and ultimately, to ensure that the entire world comes under Islamic rule (even if some non-Muslims are left alive, subject to the Shari'a or Holy Law of Islam, which provides the legal framework for the treatment of non-Muslims under Muslim rule). It is not a choice that Muslims can take or leave. The duty of Jihad is so central to Islam that it has been called by some the Sixth Pillar of Islam. If it is not always and everywhere apparent, that is because many people are naive and assume that the only form that Jihad takes is that of the bomb and the gun.
Not at all. Jihad includes use of the "wealth weapon." It includes the use of "pen and tongue" -- that is speech, that is propaganda, and by propaganda one means propaganda on behalf of Islam to spread it among others, or to defend it from those who would too critically, and in too well-informed a manner, examine its doctrines and its practice. It includes, therefore, the well-financed campaigns of Da'wa all over the West. It includes the well-financed campaigns to build mosques and madrasas and other Muslim institutions, including such organizations as CAIR and concolorous groups that are designed to put up obstacles to every attempt by Infidel peoples and governments to defend themselves, however haphazardly and mildly (and to date all efforts have been most mild, most haphazard), against a very clever, and tireless, and creative enemy. That enemy will never stop, and cannot possibly stop -- because Islam directs Muslims never to stop until they have achieved the final goal: a world under Islam, a world where, everywhere, Islam "is to dominate and is not to be dominated."
A failure of imagination, based on an underlying failure of intelligence and knowledge, explains much of the Western world's helplessness and seeming hopelessness. Damage to morale of the West has been done by measures undertaken that are the wrong measures. These measures are directed at the wrong goals, and squander enormous resources. They also damage morale, not least among the subset of the population (the people who go into the Army, the Reserves, the National Guard) and their families, in what is clearly an effort based on the naive notion that:
1) this is a "war on terror" not a war against all the instruments of Jihad
2) Islam is essentially okay, and most Muslims are just fine, and it is only "extremists" who have "hijacked" or otherwise "misused" a "great religion" who are the problem, and that therefore the only thing to worry about is the absence of "freedom" in the Muslim countries
3) we need not concern ourselves with demographic changes or campaigns of Daw'a because, you see, Islam is essentially just one more "religion," and all "religions," as Bush can tell you, deserve our respect.
At this time, in the history of the West, we have such people as Bush and Rice and Karen Hughes among us. It is they who are making policy. It is their understanding of, their knowledge of, Islam that is causing American troops to be sent, repeatedly, to Iraq, and for the costs of that war to rise. In present and incurred costs (see the studies, even now out--of-date, of Joseph Stiglitz and Bilmes in this country, and Keith Hartley in Great Britain), even if macroeconomic costs are discounted, the minimum now is estimated, reasonably, at one trillion dollars.
What could have been done to fight the Jihad, with propaganda, with energy projects, with educating Infidels everywhere, with one trillion dollars?
What do you think? Do you think that more has been accomplished in checking the instruments of the worldwide Jihad by this attempt to bring "democracy" (in the form that it has been understood by Bush and Rice -- i.e. mere head-counting, without any guarantees for individual rights and legal equality for everyone, including women and religious and ethnic minorities, that are the distinguishing features of advanced western democracies) to the "ordinary moms and dads" in the "Middle East"? Can you explain to yourself that if Iraq were to remain a single country, and even were it to be lavished with still more tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in American taxpayers' money (though Iraq sits on the second-largest reserves of oil in the world, and might borrow against future revenues), that this will somehow have an effect on the Muslims killing Buddhists in southern Thailand, or imposing the Shari’a in certain states of northern Nigeria, or continuing to oppress Christians in the southern Sudan? How will a unified (why? Why should it remain unified? On what theory?) Iraq lessen the campaigns of Da'wa in London and Bradford, in Paris and Marseilles, in Newark and Detroit and Los Angeles? How? What is the relation between the stated goals, or confusedly stated goals, of the Administration in Iraq, and winning, not merely that "war on terror," but any part of the war, anywhere, against all of the other instruments of Jihad?
All the Administration has to go on at this point is its own obstinacy, and its own ability to rally the unthinking supporters, who are to be whipped up with phrases such as "we can't accept failure" or we must stay until "we've accomplished the mission." What failure? What failure results from leaving Iraq, and letting ethnic and sectarian fissures divide the Camp of Islam? What mission is that, pray tell? And then there is the usual flogging of the usual suspects, the "cut-and-runners": here insert any names of any political idiots on the left you choose: Cindy Sheehan, or Jane Fonda, or Noam Chomsky. There, feel better? Feel as though that is a suitable defense for the war in Iraq, and that explains, or explains away, the idiocy of the policy, and the one trillion dollar expense? Merely by invoking "Cindy Sheehan" and such phrases as "moonbats" -- that does it for you? My, if so, you are easily pleased.
The colossal mess of Tarbaby Iraq has become, at this point, the greatest failure in American history. The sheer size and scope and monumentality and variousness of this catastrophic squandering of resources is based on the almost willful ignorance of Islam not only of the major figures in this Administration, as well as the ignorance of those in all the previous Administrations -- including those grey figures who keep appearing, James Baker, or Brent Scowcroft, not to mention the pious and evil simpletons like Carter. These are Yesterday's Men. They haven't a clue about Islam. For all I know, they really do think Saudi Arabia is our "ally," if they may have by now concluded it is no longer our "staunch ally." None of these people did a thing to undo, or at least recapture, oligopolistic rents from OPEC by having us tax ourselves. None of them has gotten away from the idea that the Arab-Israeli "problem" must be "solved," because none of them understands that there is no "solution" short of the total disappearance of Israel as a Jewish state that will ever satisfy any of the Arab Muslims. And the Slow Jihadists of Fatah and the Fast Jihadists of Hamas do not differ the slightest on their ultimate goals, but only on their timetables and their tactics.
Muslims in this country are not all working tirelessly for the Jihad. Some are indifferent. Some are indifferent now, but can become far less indifferent -- and often for reasons having nothing to do with politics, but rather with hard-or-impossible-to-discern personal problems, or even depression. Then they have, ready-made, not only the solace of Islam, but the mental and emotional grid that causes them to see Infidels as the reason, Infidels as the cause of all that is wrong, in the world as in their lives, and to act accordingly -- as "Mike" Hawash did, or that would-be killer at Chapel Hill, or so many others, who seemed so....so "moderate."
The expensive farce of Tarbaby Iraq makes it more, not less, difficult, to summon up public support for the kind of intelligent measures that are necessary. Those measures are not machiavellian, not ruthless -- they are merely the same kind of intelligent measures that, say, the Americans or British would and did undertake during World War II in regard to suspected sympathizers with the enemy. One must understand the teachings of Islam and the psychology of Muslims -- and don't ask me, or Robert Spencer. If you don't trust us, ask instead Ibn Warraq, and Ali Sina, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and all of the "defectors" from the Army of Islam who did not suddenly forget their entire life histories, as Muslims, when they left that army. They are here to report the truth about it to the Western world, if only that world were intelligent enough, and paying attention enough, to listen.
What about those passport-issuing offices? What about that INS? And who in the Muslim lands is working in our embassies and consulates and interviewing smiling locals? Who interviews the girls who carefully take off their burkas and even hijabs, and affix lipstick and put on high heels just around the corner from the embassy or consulate, before they enter for their interview? They do this, but they needn't worry overmuch, because the American State Department, in its infinite wisdom, is entrusting these vetting interviews, in so many cases -- for example in Egypt and Syria -- to locals named Mohammad and Osama and Jihad.
"Muslims are taught that the world is divided between Believer and Infidel."
Im a Muslim and have never been taught that. How you as a non-Muslim can claim to know what I and millions of other Muslims are taught is prepostrous.
You neglect to mention that Muslim men are permitted to marry Jewish or Christian women and Muslims with non-Muslim families/parents are commanded to treat them with the same kindness as Muslim ones. Sharia allows families to be divided between "beliver " and "infidel" (your words not mine) so why wouldnt that be the case in wider society.
"The duty of Jihad is so central to Islam that it has been called by some the Sixth Pillar of Islam"
If it is that important why isnt it one of the five pilars? "called by some" who precisely ? This comment sums up your poorly research opinion full but facts empty article
Good morning Hugh.
As usual you make your/our common case in the most eloquent and compelling manner. We all know the problem.
The one question remains unresolved: Where do we go from here?
What can we do in practice?
How do we roll back islam?
What are our options?
I did read the piece about the cancelling posts and I had a few thoughts re. the stridency of some of the posters - including myself - on JWDW and various other blogs.
Speaking only for myself: I feel an ever-increasing frustration at both where mainstream politics in the West are heading [collision with an iceberg] and my/"the anti-jihadist community" in general inability to do something beyond merely writing about our desperate situation.
We have no representation in politics in any country so far. There are small beginnings in Denmark for example. Germany is stirring too with Udo Ulfkotte's planned anti-islamist party.
Who represents a clear understanding of islam in the American mainstream? Anything but will render these tender European stirrings neutral as American pressure can always be brought to bear on anything that is deemed to rock the mainstream boat in one of America's satellite countries.
Make no mistake, all the Anti-Americanism in Europe is but a smoke screen. Politically none of us can veer too far. The EU is as much America's baby as our own.
It's a HUGE market now. And thats what politics is all about now - the creation of exploitable markets.
So the countries of Europe MUST be homogenized at all cost!
If allowing islam within our midst is the price we must pay to increasing the popoulation, ie. "consumers" of these markets - hey, that's a small price to pay!
In return we are even getting the Middel East "markets" for the time being. Isn't it great?
Hey, as long as our leaders of the government-entertainment-industrial complex won't have to be bothered with having to listen to the caterwauling of the "call to prayer"!
Small price to pay!
What most of us here are saying to this from Finland to Australia is a resounding NO!
Are we being heard at all? NO!
So what are our options?
What CAN we do?
I have no answers. I am asking bigger brains than mine to give us some ideas that we can actually implememt.
I will go to the Anti-jihad demonstration March 31 NOON at the WTC site in NYC. Let's see who shows up and whom I may meet there.
We have to start SOMEWHERE!
We have NO other countries to go to!
This is pretty much IT!
THEY are flooding into our lands and as Hugh has declaimed so many many times - eroding our liberties and our resources byt the strategy of a thousand little cuts.. bleeding us dry...
WHAT do we do now that we know their tactics?
We have defined the enemy and what they do.
What we have yet to define is a course of action.
This lack is what I feel is responsible for what sometimes are "vitriolic" or "strident" comments.
We should indeed try to direct our efforts toward practical action.
Always keeing our eyes on the prize: Your freedom and mine.
All our freedom is what we MUST find the proper tools and strategies to defend.
No sooner am I done with my previous post and THIS shows up in the comments:
Im a Muslim and have never been taught that. How you as a non-Muslim can claim to know what I and millions of other Muslims are taught is prepostrous.
You neglect to mention that Muslim men are permitted to marry Jewish or Christian women and Muslims with non-Muslim families/parents are commanded to treat them with the same kindness as Muslim ones.
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Posted by: hoja
moslem *men* are allowed to marry "infidel" women! WOW! What a relief! Now that is something to reassure us all.
I heard nothing about *infidel men* marrying moslem women yet. Not the we'd want to without having a look "under the hood" first..
What I am really getting at there - and I think that 99% of you all will notice the same 'slip of the pen' on behalf of this moslem poster - is the implicitly assumed principle of moslem supremacy.
This guy may be so brainwashed that he doesn't even realize what he wrote. Nor why we could possibly find this offensive.
Just ask the Hindus whose women and daughters are being kidnapped even - so that moslems can forcibly 'convert' them.
@hoja
Are you stupid or are you a liar.
You need to read the Quraan:
002.221
YUSUFALI: Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.
@hoja
"Muslims are taught that the world is divided between Believer and Infidel."
Im a Muslim and have never been taught that. How you as a non-Muslim can claim to know what I and millions of other Muslims are taught is prepostrous.
SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR MUSLIMS:
SHAKIR: And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave, and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a convenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively: a penance from Allah, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
FIGHT THE UNBELIEVERS:
009.013
YUSUFALI: Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!
009.014
YUSUFALI: Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
UNBELIEVERS ARE APES AND PIGS:
YUSUFALI: And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."
PICKTHAL: And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated!
SHAKIR: And certainly you have known those among you who exceeded the limits of the Sabbath, so We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated.
Muslim Education for the lying hoja:
022.019
YUSUFALI: These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water.
PICKTHAL: These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads,
SHAKIR: These are two adversaries who dispute about their Lord; then (as to) those who disbelieve, for them are cut out garments of fire, boiling water shall be poured over their heads.
005.057
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).
PICKTHAL: O Ye who believe! Choose not for guardians such of those who received the Scripture before you, and of the disbelievers, as make a jest and sport of your religion. But keep your duty to Allah if ye are true believers.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take for guardians those who take your religion for a mockery and a joke, from among those who were given the Book before you and the unbelievers; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are believers.
O really, Hugh. If you lived in Canada and read the daily papers, you wouldn't need to ask such questions. Of course Muslims work in all the fields you've mentioned -- including as immigration lobbyists and lawyers. Not that long ago (under the Liberals) I read about bribes and corruption -- about immigration matters. You need to apply for immigration overseas (unless of course you are to claim "refugee" status -- then you just need to get to Canada), and the people staffing the Canadian offices overseas are locals (not Canadians), and, as such, the "locals" determine who gets the immigration papers, etc., and, apparently the system is abused. (Also, when the Liberals were in power, the Justice Minister -- who was Anne McLellan -- had a spokesperson, and the spokesperson was a Muslim. It's not a big deal). O, also, just recently in the news there have been several stories about Iranians arriving in Canada (one family was living in a Moscow airport -- finally got to Canada; another family had lived illegally in Canada for 10 years, got kicked out, then attempted a return using false passports, was caught by Americans, and held in a Texas detention center -- right now Canadians are sobbing about their mal-treatment at the hands of the Americans, the Iranian family also claims to have been tortured back in Iran...I expect any moment now that the press will be publishing stories about our latest Canadian Muslim "heroes" along with multi-millions soon to be won in lawsuits -- I expect the lawsuits against the Canadian government will be filed shortly. But, in the case of the Iranians from Texas -- it was Lutherans, I believe, who are fighting on behalf of these muslims -- in many other instances, btw, it's Mennonites, Anglicans, etc., christian groups workign on behalf of immigrants -- Mennonites bring in as many Somalis to Canada as possible...the Somalis are used in the meat-packing plants...it's called "charity".)
"'Muslims are taught that the world is divided between Believer and Infidel.'
Im a Muslim and have never been taught that. How you as a non-Muslim can claim to know what I and millions of other Muslims are taught is prepostrous."
-- from a posting above
Do you think non-Muslims cannot read the Qur'an, the Hadith, the Sira? Do you think non-Muslims, no matter how well-educated, cannot conceivably make sense of what this must naturally mean, taken as a totality, to most of the world's Muslims -- that is, those who accept rather than reject what Islam teaches? Do you think non-Muslims are incapable of going to Muslim websites and seeing what Muslims are told to think, and what attitudes to hold, toward Infidels, and what loyalties they are to withhold from Infidels, and extend only to fellow members of the Umma al-Islmaiyya? Do you think that any intelligent non-Muslim could conceivably come to a conclusion, based on all this, other than the one that sums things up, as I did, that Islam teaches that the most fundamental division in the world is between Believer and Infidel, and expressed territorially, between Dar al-Islam, and Dar al-Harb?
Finally, there is not only the intelligent apprehension of these texts by Infidels, but the results of the long study of Islam, by Western scholars, who studied and wrote in the days before Muslims had penetrated and essentailly seized control of so many Western academic centers and departments (the membership of MESA Nostra for example, was in 1970 something like 5% Muslim and is now 65%), not least because of the buying-power of Saudi and other Arab money, either of whole centers that are established, such as those in England at Exeter and Durham, or the two at Georgetown, the racket run by Esposito called the "Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding" which started with seed money from a rich Arab contractor -- I can't remember if he's a "Palestinian" or Lebanese or of some other nationality but it hardly matters, does it -- and has now moved on to the really big stuff, from the Gulf and the Saudis, and then the "Center for Contemporary Arab Studies" with assorted khalidis and nashashibis under the unctuous well-paid direction of Michael Hudson, or if not centers, then those King Abdul Aziz Professorships, and "Guardians of the Two Noble Sanctuaries Adjunct Professors of Islamic Law" e tutti quanti.
And finally, there is the best testimony of all: the testimony about Islam from those who were born and raised in societies suffused with Islam,within Islamic families, and fought their way free, to the kind of mental and moral freedom that allows them to speak the truth, as "defectors" from the Army of Islam. I mean, of course, the very Best People who through no fault of their own, are born into Islam. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Azam Kamguian, Irfan Khawaja, Taslima Nasreen, and many others. I mean those who even continue to call themselves Muslims but, of course, are Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslims, such as Magdi Allam in Italy, or Mithal al-Alusi in Iraq, or a thousand, ten thousand, many tens of thousands, of others.
And they have testified about Islam. They have told us their own stories, and about Islam, and what it teaches, and what people make of what it teaches, from the very inside. And their numbers in the West will only grow. And then what? Then how will you continue to deny what any intelligent person can discern from the texts and teachings of Islam, and from the 1350-year history of Islamic conquest of non-Muslim lands and the subjugation of non-Muslims, and from the testimony of these articulate defectors, and finally, most importantly, from the observable behavior of Muslims, mobs and terrorists and meretriciouis and malevolent spokesmen, in southern Thailand, in the Moro Islands of the Philippines, in the Moluccas, in Sydney, Australia, in Bangladesh, in Pakistan, in Mumbai, in Iraq itself, in the Sudan (backed to the diplomatic and military hilt by the massed forces of Arab Islam, both when 1.8 million southern black African non-Muslims were killed or starved to death, and now that 400,000 non-Arab, and therefore inferior, Muslims, have been killed and 2 million displaced, in Darfur). And so on, and on -- the observable behavior, every day, of Muslims as they attack or persecute or discriminate against or try to change the legal and political instiutions of, or try to limit the freedoms of (see Denmark, see Holland) those Infidels, including the right to free speech.
And it will continue. And we will observe. And we will draw, if we still need to draw, the appropriate conclusions. For the text, and the teachings, and the behavior that result from those texts and those teachings, are of a piece, form a coherent whole, and have done so for 1350 years.
Once again: We all are pinpointing the problem.
We are still lightyears away from any practically implementable solution.
What ties our hands in the USA is most of all this dreadful "two-party" system, which really is something akin to choosing between Coke [red] and Pepsi [blue].
Coke is a little bit more fun and [imho] tastes a little bit better than Pepsi. Coke is the Original [therefore seems more patriotic].
In reality they're both bad for you and make your teeth rot and will give you diabetes.
In Europe the 'mainstream' media is bolstered and driven by an all-powerful 'public media'. In England they are known as the BBC. In GErmany it's WDR and ARD. Same thing. Exactly the same thing. And all of them are actively courting and recruiting moslems to aid in conent creation. Needless to say these are tax-payer financed.
Equally needless to say they are in the forefront of quashing any sign of discontent when it comes to islam and the consequences of relinquishing our "evil" indigenous European Cultures.
They will hammer any attempt at creating new political movements and they will relentlessly focus away from islamic criminal behavoiur in our cities and the markers of domination they are pushing through via the construction of mega-mosks all over Europe.
Tax-payer funded in Germany from what I gather. I cannot comment on the other countries. I'd love to see if anyone else can add the relevant information.
One of the solutions to the problem is to raise awareness of course. And spread awareness next.
That's where we are at present.
I ask the big brains on this board: Please start to think about what we can do. We can talk till we are blue in the face. We can talk till they build a mosk next door, if you know what I mean.
For some of us, they already ARE building mosks next door.
They HAVE built mosks in the lands they took over from peaceful former inhabitants and we know the results.
What forms of resistance have worked best in the past?
Since we are still at the awareness-raising stage.. HOW do we change the views of Liberals and other Leftists that WE are not the enemy - but rather islam is the enemy?
Whenever I mention the menace of islam they think I am a fan of Bush. Nothing is further from the truth. Bush is the ultimate sell-out panderer/squanderer.
He will one day be judged as harshly as will Jimmy Carter. IF we remain Free Nations that is!
HOW do we get independent intellects into office?
So.. how DO we make it clear to the Liberals and those whiny "interfaith dialog" types who enable islam that they are digging all our graves?!
HOW do we explain to the powerful fringe lobbies that they can FORGET about even discussing gay marriage and affirmative action once islam takes over?!
WHY does the loony Left keep up the charade that Bush et al are Crusaders when nothing is further from the truth?!
IMHO the True Crusaders are Spinning in their graves when such stupidities are uttered.
Do these Leftists even BELIEVE these things or they simply hate Bush [yes, I agree there's lots to hate about Bush] that ANYTHING is fair game - just to get him out?
FACT remains - even Bush can last eight years at most. islam has lasted 1350 years so far and once it takes over it is nearly impossible to get rid of it.
Just ask Spain where it took 800 years and Huge Battles to roll back this pest! Bush will have had all but EIGHT!
HOW do we make people at least CONSIDER the menace we are facing?
We all want free and fair elections. At least I assume we do. The reason we have these elections is because we don't always agree on everything so we need to determine what is most fair for all.
The side who gets less votes tends to feel slighted and may feel it needs to resort to more effective means to get its "share".
But is that a reason to sell out our entire system to the devil?
Pacting with Satan now will buy you electoral and material success short-term.
In the long run you aren't only selling out your political and societal enemies [Liberals who think they are 'partnering' with islam]. You are selling out yourselves.
On the neocon side you think you are lining your pockets while riding the tail of the tiger. You too, are making a short-sighted gamble. Sooner or later the dice will come up short. You, too, are selling out yourselves along with us unsophisticated 'rubes'.
I have read many many former Liberals posting in Germany on Politicallyincorrect.de so I see a shimmer of hope. But they are giving out passports by the thousands to make up for the loss in votes on the Green/Red side of things in Germany.
Similar to the American parties fighting for Hispanic votes while leaving the traditional voters out in the cold - on all fronts.
The Dhims take the Black vote for granted and the 'Cans take the Conservative White vote for granted. Resulting in a virtual standoff. So in order to get power either "side" will do what they can.
Once they have power they ignore all their voters and run to the highest bidder.
What part about this do Liberals NOT understand?!
Can we maybe start to focus on what is in front of US ALL?
There will be no debate about Gay marriage and Health Care once islam is in. The camel has its nose in the tent already.. once the body is in - game ova!
NO MORE fighting about trivial things!
Getting more money and getting more 'social justice' will HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER DAY!
One of the solutions to the problem is to raise awareness of course. And spread awareness next.
That's where we are at present.
I ask the big brains on this board: Please start to think about what we can do. We can talk till we are blue in the face. We can talk till they build a mosk next door, if you know what I mean.
For some of us, they already ARE building mosks next door.
They HAVE built mosks in the lands they took over from peaceful former inhabitants and we know the results.
What forms of resistance have worked best in the past?
Since we are still at the awareness-raising stage.. HOW do we change the views of Liberals and other Leftists that WE are not the enemy - but rather islam is the enemy?
Whenever I mention the menace of islam they think I am a fan of Bush. Nothing is further from the truth. Bush is the ultimate sell-out panderer/squanderer.
He will one day be judged as harshly as will Jimmy Carter. IF we remain Free Nations that is!
HOW do we get independent intellects into office?
So.. how DO we make it clear to the Liberals and those whiny "interfaith dialog" types who enable islam that they are digging all our graves?!
HOW do we explain to the powerful fringe lobbies that they can FORGET about even discussing gay marriage and affirmative action once islam takes over?!
WHY does the loony Left keep up the charade that Bush et al are Crusaders when nothing is further from the truth?!
IMHO the True Crusaders are Spinning in their graves when such stupidities are uttered.
Do these Leftists even BELIEVE these things or they simply hate Bush [yes, I agree there's lots to hate about Bush] that ANYTHING is fair game - just to get him out?
FACT remains - even Bush can last eight years at most. islam has lasted 1350 years so far and once it takes over it is nearly impossible to get rid of it.
Just ask Spain where it took 800 years and Huge Battles to roll back this pest! Bush will have had all but EIGHT!
HOW do we make people at least CONSIDER the menace we are facing?
We all want free and fair elections. At least I assume we do. The reason we have these elections is because we don't always agree on everything so we need to determine what is most fair for all.
The side who gets less votes tends to feel slighted and may feel it needs to resort to more effective means to get its "share".
But is that a reason to sell out our entire system to the devil?
Pacting with Satan now will buy you electoral and material success short-term.
In the long run you aren't only selling out your political and societal enemies [Liberals who think they are 'partnering' with islam]. You are selling out yourselves.
On the neocon side you think you are lining your pockets while riding the tail of the tiger. You too, are making a short-sighted gamble. Sooner or later the dice will come up short. You, too, are selling out yourselves along with us unsophisticated 'rubes'.
I have read many many former Liberals posting in Germany on Politicallyincorrect.de so I see a shimmer of hope. But they are giving out passports by the thousands to make up for the loss in votes on the Green/Red side of things in Germany.
Similar to the American parties fighting for Hispanic votes while leaving the traditional voters out in the cold - on all fronts.
The Dhims take the Black vote for granted and the 'Cans take the Conservative White vote for granted. Resulting in a virtual standoff. So in order to get power either "side" will do what they can.
Once they have power they ignore all their voters and run to the highest bidder.
What part about this do Liberals NOT understand?!
Can we maybe start to focus on what is in front of US ALL?
There will be no debate about Gay marriage and Health Care once islam is in. The camel has its nose in the tent already.. once the body is in - game ova!
NO MORE fighting about trivial things!
Getting more money and getting more 'social justice' will HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER DAY!
I apologize for the double post. I did NOT hit the post button twice. Sorry guys..
I recently passed through a TSA security check manned by a foreign-born individual whose nametag identified him as 'Mohammed Mohammed'. (As Dave Berry would say, I'm not making this up!) What's wrong with this picture?
I recently passed through a TSA security check manned by a foreign-born individual whose nametag identified him as 'Mohammed Mohammed'. (As Dave Berry would say, I'm not making this up!) What's wrong with this picture?
Posted by: Infidel33
That would make a great scene for Woody Allen film somehow.. Actually YOU should be the TSA and MM the passenger.. on second thought.. maybe it IS best he stay on the ground and OUT of air planes.
Yes you just can't make these things up. While not entirely a Religion Of Peace® islam is good for a few laughs here and there.
Sorry but we have to have fun - to get us through these dark times. I'm NO Prophet but I predict with absolute certainty: the worst is yet to come, my friends.
Yes, you can't make these things up.. unless your name is Mahomet.
Another brief note here -- I think Canada's security is totally messed up -- whether discussing immigration, refugee claimants, deportation, port security (or lack thereof) -- all of this is in need of a major over-haul.
Canada also (at times) seems far too lax when it comes to protecting western values -- such as free speech, separation of church and state, and so on.
However, there is another danger here -- and that is to go too far to the other extreme. This is to become xenophobic or openly racist. A proper balance has to be found -- I don't think Canada is there yet. As an example of the other extreme (this on the side of xenophobia) -- a number of stories are coming out of Quebec. The latest has to do with a maple sugar shack. One owner of a maple sugar operation invited a group of Muslims to enjoy the festivities. Well, the owner also allowed the Muslims some prayer space and took into consideration their dietary requirements (that is, no pork). Because the owner allowed this, he has now received 1,000 angry e-mails claiming he's altering Quebecois traditions.
I can only shake my head -- here's another example of, really, playing into the hands of the extremists -- now extremists can claim that Quebec is "racist" etc, and, hey, that doesn't sound all that far-fetched.
Again, a balance has to be found...
Not at all. Jihad includes use of the "wealth weapon." It includes the use of "pen and tongue" -- that is speech, that is propaganda, and by propaganda one means propaganda on behalf of Islam to spread it among others...
90% of the Jihad against the infidel is just that.
The silent and quasi invisible Jihad that so many westerners are fooled by.
Its a giant game of Blind Man's buff where the advances are so small that they proceed virtually undetected. Only when the Blind man turns around after some time does he see those advances.
This is such an important topic and needs the subtlety of a John Fitzgerald to bring it out in the open. It is the main element of the misnamed "war on terror", the violence and threats, being mere diversions to focus our attantions elsewhere.
"John Fitzgerald..."
My long-lost brother, the one who never left County Galway. I'll get in touch with him right away.
Are Moslems working at the passport office? Are they working at airport security? Has anyone at an airport security ever wondered --while removing one's laptop from the case, removing all metal from one's pocket, making sure that one has less than three ounces of toothpaste, deodorant, mouthwash all in a clear plastic bag and while removing one's shoes and lossening one's belt in public-- just how many of the folks running the show might be Moslem? And how many of the baggage handlers are Moslem? Are they working in immigration services? Are they actively participating in the setting of Western foreign policy? What assurances have they provided of their loyalty? For are they not all members of the Ummah, the Nation of Islam, Dar al Islam? Are they not, by default, dual nationals with split allegiances...if indeed there is any split at all?
A poster above, purportedly a Moslem, claims never to have been taught that the world is so divided between believer and non-believer. This is either a flat out lie or an indication of another Moslem who isn't educated in his own religion, yet will not admit as much, still less discard or modify it in preference of a personal faith based upon mutual respect.
While wishing strongly to preserve the religious rights of all, I do not think it is going too far to insist that the fundamental rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness trump the rights to a particular job, particularly if one is a security risk in that job.
POP QUIZ:
Halima was the daughter of Abu Dhuayb of the Banu Sad tribe. The tradition concerning her is that she went forth with her husband and a little son whom she was suckling, with others of the women of the Banu Sad who were in search of children to nurse. She relates: ‘In a year of dearth, when nothing was left us, I went forth on a piebald she‑ass and we had with us a she‑camel which gave us not one drop of milk. We could not sleep the whole night, because the infant we had with us cried for hunger, there being nothing in my breasts to satisfy him nor anything in our camel to nourish him.
QUESTION:
Why would Halima go in search of children to nurse when, as she supposedly relates, "there was nothing left us...the infant we had with us cried for hunger, there being nothing inmy breasts to satisfy him..."
HERE'S THE ANSWER WHY:
‘At last, we arrived in Mecca to look for sucklings, and there was not a woman among us to whom the apostle of Allah was not offered. They all refused to take charge of him as soon as they were told that he was an orphan, because we expected benefits from the father of an infant but did not like orphans, thinking that a mother or a grandfather would do us but little good. Not a woman, however, remained who had not obtained a suckling except myself. When we assembled to depart, I said to my husband, “I am unwilling to return with my companions and not take a suckling. I shall go to that orphan and take it.” He replied, “Do so! Perhaps Allah will make it a blessing to us.” Then I went and took him just because I could find no other child.
“After that, I took him to my arms and offered him my breast he drank as much as he liked till he was satisfied, and his ‑brother did the same till he had enough. After that both of slept, whereas before we could not sleep for our child wailing. Then my husband approached our she‑camel, and lo! It was full. Accordingly I milked it, and we both drank until we were satisfied and filled, so that we had a good night. In the morning, my husband said, “By Allah, Halima, you have brought a blessed soul.”
MORAL OF THE STORY:
This is your brain: 0
This is your brain on Islam: .
Amazing that the Muhammedan poster above has the hide and the chutzpah to post his steaming pile of taqiyya here. That's what amazes ...
truly!
Sorry Hugh,
A slip of the mind -as often happens when one attains the descending phase of life's journey.
I was no doubt thinking not of JFK, but of my old freind John Fitzgerald of Davis Cup fame- a splendid chap and a very good sport!
What do you think? Do you think that more has been accomplished in checking the instruments of the worldwide Jihad by this attempt to bring "democracy" (in the form that it has been understood by Bush and Rice --
Whatever those reasons were, they are still as clouded as they were at the beginning.
Such noble intentions as "WMDS,the liberation of the Iraqi people, removal of a Stalinist tyrant, and the introduction of democracy" are on a parr with the 'intentions' of the Clinton administration on the liberation of Bosnia and the seperation of Kosovo from the Serbs.
I've always believed that the real reasons lie in the US administrations "special" relationship with Saudi Arabia- the invasion of Kuwait being the straw that broke the camel's back in the eyes of the Saudi ruling elites.
IS the horror of a greater Iran what awaits Iraq, when the coalition pack up and go home.
NAW!!!!
Just stop worrying and love the Islamic bomb!
(Is there an Imam al-dr Strangelove out there? Or are the imams ALL really al-dr Strangeloves wearing turbans and robes?).
Ynkedoodl2 you are incorrect Christian and Jewish women are not Idolaters as they believe in Allah/
This is not exactly on topic but I think the word is beginning to get out; there are people like us who understand what islam is all about. I was coming home yesterday from a trip to the Gulf Coast and stopped for gas outside of Atlanta. After we got gas, we pulled up to the front of the store to get some ice and a lady walked over just to ask where I got my DEFEAT JIHAD bumper sticker! Nobody has ever said a word about that bumper sticker except my husband, who gripes because it's blue and my car is black, and he wants to know why I can't get a black one like his. I like it blue because it stands out and I can find my car easier in parking lots.
She really wanted a bumper sticker, so I expect she'll be visiting soon.