In saying these things about Moses and Jesus, Sheikh Taysir Tamimi is merely repeating standard Muslim belief -- standard belief that of course strips Judaism and Christianity of all legitimacy.
"Moses, Jesus 'really prophets of Islam': Chief Muslim claims Jewish Temples never existed, Al Aqsa built by angels," by Aaron Klein for WorldNetDaily.com, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
JERUSALEM – The Jewish Temples never existed, the Western Wall really was a tying post for Muhammad's horse, the Al Aqsa Mosque was built by angels, and Abraham, Moses and Jesus were prophets for Islam.All this according to Sheikh Taysir Tamimi, chief Palestinian Justice and one of the most influential Muslim leaders in Israel. Tamimi is considered the second most important Palestinian cleric after Muhammad Hussein, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
In a WND exclusive interview, Tamimi, who preaches regularly from the Al Aqsa Mosque, claimed Jews have no historical connection to Jerusalem or Israel and that the Jewish Temples never existed.
"Israel started since 1967 making archeological digs to show Jewish signs to prove the relationship between Judaism and the city and they found nothing. There is no Jewish connection to Israel before the Jews invaded in the 1880's," said Tamimi.
"About these so-called two Temples, they never existed, certainly not at the Haram Al- Sharif (Temple Mount)," Tamimi said.
The Palestinian cleric denied the validity of dozens of digs verified by experts worldwide revealing Jewish artifacts from the First and Second Temples throughout Jerusalem, including on the Temple Mount itself; excavations revealing Jewish homes and a synagogue in a site in Jerusalem called the City of David; or even the recent discovery of a Second Temple Jewish city in the vicinity of Jerusalem.
He said descriptions of the Jewish Temples in the Hebrew Tanach, in the Talmud and in Byzantine and Roman writings from the Temple periods were forged, and that the Torah was falsified to claim Biblical patriarchs and matriarchs were Jewish when indeed they were prophets for Islam.
"All this is not real. We don't believe in all your versions. Your Torah was falsified. The text as given to the Muslim prophet Moses never mentions Jerusalem. Maybe Jerusalem was mentioned in the rest of the Torah, which was falsified by the Jews."
He said Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Jesus were "prophets for the Israelites sent by Allah as to usher in Islam."
and the moon is made of green cheese....Muslims are so delusional they are believed only by other delusional Muslims.....
Islam does have problems with history and time lines, Good thing they have a vehicle to correct incorrect versions of history and religion.
...and Father Christmas is really Muhammed in disguise.
You can see why Muslims are such a ready made audience for any conspiracy theory that comes along. To imagine that the Jews and Christians went through all the trouble of rewriting their sacred texts to exclude any mention of Islam requires a remarkable degree of credulity but also fosters a deep suspicion and scepticism concerning an infidel world where such liberties are taken with the historical record. In this they are, of course, projecting their highly developed culture of dissimulation on to others - what they are taught about other religions must make them think they are only doing as they are done by.
The breathtaking absurdity of the claims is undeniable. But when you think about it, no more absurd than djinns, night journeys on invisible half-donkeys, angels' aversion to dogs, the sun setting in a muddy puddle, the great crucifixion face-changing, a deity who creates creatures only for the fun of destroying them, a deity who refuses to guide certain of his creations, then instructs the ones who are guided to kill the others, et cetera, et cetera.
There are many reasons why its difficult for people born and brought up mahometan to get away from it, but one of them is the sheer corruption of reason required by islamic beliefs. It is truly doublethink - they are required to hold many many ideas which are mutually contradictory, and to simultaneously believe them, whilst always ignoring the contradictions.
After all that, ignoring archeological and documentary evidence is just a snap, I guess...
Assalamau laikum thomas ato,
you say "breathtaking absurdity of the claims is undeniable. But when you think about it, no more absurd than djinns, night journeys on invisible half-donkeys, angels' aversion to dogs, the sun setting in a muddy puddle".
perhaps so...but the jew has been struggling until recently...it wouldn't be so far fetched for them to try and denfend themselves through falsification....but I want to keep an open mind...I am unsure of the Jewish claims...but also unsure of the muslim ones too.
Note that many would never be able to believe that muslims carried off 9/11...it had to be jews shouting Allah Akbur ...is that truth /lies?
who knows ....keep an open mind for sanity.
Good grief, it is ISLAM that is making the false claims. For one thing was not around until the 600s. These false claims just proves the disrespect given to not only Jews and Christians, but to the God of the Holy Bible. This all just proves that the God of the Holy Bible is not the same as in the koran.
PS : I forgot to put the word "it" next to "it was". Opps.
Assalamau Laikum all,
While muslim claims could be fanciful so to are the following Christian ones:
1) The virgin mary had a baby boy.
2) Jesus was resurrected after dying on the cross after 3 days.
3) The concept of the trinity...holy ghost in particular.
4) Jesus was an only child.
...need I go on....
wallyUK,
Got to remember that islam is such a brittle religion that it is not suprising that representives such as Sheikh Taysir Tamimi would say such nonsense. The history cannot be denied, as Biblical archology would prove once and for all.
The big difference is that what the Christian faith is built on is not only based on PROPHECY, but also MYSTERY. That is why we have the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary, the body resurection of Jesus after 3 days in the tomb, the Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, as well as reality of Jesus being an only child of Mary as those brothers and sisters mentioned in the NT are cousins. Need I say more.
Assalamau Laikum bigcatgirl13106,
You have been swollowed ...hook line and sinker....and you like cats to boot.
An infedel through and through...
Shaykh Tamimi should be asked to explain the verses in the Quran itself that confirm history as narrated in the Bible as to Jewish ownership of the Land of Israel, called Holy Land in the Quran, not to mention the Zionist verses in the Quran that foretell a Jewish return to the Jews' land.
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/05/quran-agrees-with-zionism.html
"The text as given to the Muslim prophet Moses never mentions Jerusalem."
Time to put up or shut up, Sheikh Tamimi and all Muslims. Where is YOUR text, that elusive Arabic vorlage of the Tanakh? You don't have it, because it never existed. Nothing of Islam existed before the 7th century.
How desparate you must be at this point, as new discoveries are happening daily confirming Jewish life in antiquity in Jerusalem and identifying features of the the temple ruins.
Not that it is needed. We have Josephus, and numerous other non-Jewish historians' records. Visit Rome someday, Sheikh, and explain the inner relief of the arch of Titus which depicts the removal of the articles of service from the second Jewish temple after its decimation in AD 70. Perhaps you can get permission to carbon date it. Zionist conspiracy? Fool.
How desparate you must be to maintain your façade amongst the illiterate Muslim masses that none of this happened, and amongst the illiterate Western masses that protect your circa 1967 claim to this territory. Stuff Salahudin and Dar-al-Islam where the sun don't shine while your at it.
Blimey. I guess those crafty joooooz must have bribed those roman historians all those years ago also, knowing of course that this would happen, since the joooooz have been controlling all of history...et cetera, et cetera.
Or maybe, just maybe, the objective truth lies beyond the grasp of those in the grip of doublethink.
I've been away some time, so I might be rusty on thisso I apologize in advance to christians if I get this wrong, but:
1) The immaculate conception is not a universal part of christian dogma.
2) The difference between this and the fairy stories of mahomet, is that the gospels of the christian church were the testaments of people who actually witnessed these events. There is a whole world of difference between someone waking up, scratching his ***, and telling his halfwit pirate followers how he flew to heaven on a donkey, and a large number of people attesting that they saw something, and in many cases sufferring terrible, painful ends because they refused to deny what they had seen.
3) Go on, tell us what you think the trinity in particular is, because I feel absolutely certain it has nothing whatsoever to do with the christian concept of the trinity. It ill behoves mooslims to criticize christianity by reference to the absurd version of it presented by mohamet in his crazed ramblings.
4) Eh? Its absurd to believe in only children! Don't you know there arent any such things as single child families?
Naseem:
Your postings aren't even particularly good for comic relief. I suspect most here would be relieved if you did go on... ...somewhere else.
"1) The immaculate conception is not a universal part of christian dogma"
This actually is a universal part of orthodox (as opposed to heterodox) Christian dogma.
I felt this needed correction, but otherwise don't advocating feeding the troll (particularly this troll-it doesn't learn).
Thanks for that - like I said, I been away from the study of christian theology for awhile...
I am SO DAMNED SICK of the rabbis and ministers who prate about 'our common Abrahamic heritage'. This is the level of 'tolerance' Islam has for the other big two.
It's like Islam saying 'you Christians and Jews are our brothers and like us Muslims except that you ave becomed warped and perverted and evil and in complete error and are dogs and pigs.
What else can you expect from a people who sacrifice their history and culture for the sake of the nonsensical ramblings of a 7th century warlord. This is why rarely anything they say is reliable, but the majority of the time absurd. After all, they did not mature through God, but in believing in an imposter god that came out of a madman. I have a new label for them: the upside-down people.
I think I can now see how they can be misled into thinking they have the “religion of peace,” a Western fabrication. It is the responsibility of the rest of humanity to set this diluted people straight.
Frankly, they are not qualified to comment about history, because to them history starts only 1400 years ago. However, the reality for them is that their history ended 1400 years ago, because they haven’t contributed anything to humanity since then, except the destruction of their past superior cultures and a lot of good people (which represented “history to come”).
That is why they dig around the Temple site and destroy every trace of Jewish existence they find.
Reminds me of the movie "Planet of the Apes"
Well folks, let's admit the truth. Islam predates EVERYTHING. It predates the Jews, the Christians, the dinosaurs and even the Big Bang Theory (caused, no doubt, when Illah farted). These Infidelophobes are now trying to outdo even the old USSR in historical (and hysterical) revisionism.
poetcomic1 this is the heresy of our times. I suggest whenever you hear them say this that you contact them right away, and first tell them to be careful of what they say/preach, and then tell them to learn about this evil ideology. Arabians may be descendants of Abraham, but they didn’t follow the faith of Abraham, but an opposing faith as was prophesied in the Bible (I don’t remember the verse.)
Isn't Islam mentioned in the Old Testament. Remember, allah went by a different name, Ba'al.
Remember that going back to what the Bible had said of Ishmael, that his decendents would be in conflict against the rest of humanity.
'While muslim claims could be fanciful so to are the following Christian ones:
1) The virgin mary had a baby boy.
2) Jesus was resurrected after dying on the cross after 3 days.
3) The concept of the trinity...holy ghost in particular.
4) Jesus was an only child.'
What exactly are you saying?
Mary WASN'T a virgin? Jesus WASN'T resurrected? The Holy Ghost MAY NOT ACTUALLY EXIST? Jesus MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AN ONLY CHILD?
Gah! If those Jews and Christians can make up stuff about their Chief Executive, then they are more than capable of creating bogus history insofar as Jerusalem is concerned. Obviously.
Let's think about this one.
If I solemnly informed everyone here that my house was built by pixies, you would probably regard me as a lunatic and laugh at me.
But if a man described as a 'cleric' tells us that his place of work was constructed by angels, we must believe him, no matter how absurd, how Python-esque his views appear to be? No matter how much his ludicrous propositions fly in the face of the evidence?
Or if we don't believe him we should at least treat his views with respect? And if we don't respect his views we run the risk of offending the world's 7.2 billion Muslims?
I really do believe that Islam will never be truly reformed until it is treated to its very own version of The Life of Brian.
The sheik Tamimi is ignorant of the commands of Allah in the Qur'an when he says 'The Temple never existed'.
Allah says so in surah 17:
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In these surahs Allah is talking about Israelites and mentions the Temple and its destruction.
Sheikh Taysir Tamimi, chief Palestinian Justice and one of the most influential Muslim leaders in Israel and considered the second most important Palestinian cleric after Muhammad Hussein, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem....
all that and Tamimi doesn't know the commands of Allah?
The muslims can see the writing on the wall. So, if their lips are moving they are spreading propaganda.
If the muslims don't believe that the Jewish Temple ever existed then why are they breaking international law by digging below the Al-Aqsa mosque to remove all archeological remains and destroy them? To get rid of the evidence.
In islamic historical writings they even admit that this was the site of the Jewish Temple and that Al-Aqsa was built over it. Were the muslims lying then or now? Now.
The muslims know what the Israelis know....the Al-Aqsa mosque will come down and the New Temple will be rebuilt. The Israelis are slow playing to the world publically that they 'believe' that the temple was under the mosque.
Not only do the Jews KNOW where it is, but even the Crusaders knew where it was, so you can certainly bet the muslims know it was there and are going to lie about it.
The Israelis have already prepared their new temple and it is warehoused. The Israelis are waiting for two things to happen. One-they are searching for the Arc of the Covenant (will they find it? They think so). Two-they will have 'perfect' red heffers to sacrifice on the altar when they bring back the Arc in the New Temple and start animal sacrifices again (who is the leading spender in science for cloning in the United States and Europe for finding perfect red heffers? Israel, because they are preparing for the new Temple, but research is in the name of agriculture).
Is any of the above going to happen, who knows. But the Israelis believe so and they will build the new Temple and the muslims know it is coming. Every bit of it also fulfills Biblical phrophecy, which if you were muslim would also shine the light on the fact that muslims are living the Great Lie and following the Great Deceiver.
It's about time that the Al Aqsa mosque got bulldozed and the Temple rebuilt. Screw the morons and their whinging - what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
It's about time that the Al Aqsa mosque got bulldozed--Posted by larrikin22
Why not? After all, if Al Aqsa truly was built by angels, it only seems logical that the angels would magically rebuild it after the bulldozing. May as well put it to the test. And if the angels decide not to rebuild it, I guess it was Allah's will.
All semi-joking aside... these are the same people who still believe the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a legitimate text. These people will believe any fairy tale or piece of propaganda thrown in front of them, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it suits their agenda. Whether it's a matter of intellectual dishonesty, or intellectual bankruptcy, I haven't quite figured out yet, but I'm guessing it's a mix of both.
I love it! I love it! Do these guys realise the fantastic careers they could have on the comedy circuit! The only drawback is these nutcases actually believe their own crap.They'll be telling us next about flying donkeys with human heads who can go from Heaven to Hell in the same night.
For our little friend Naseem and our other silent muslim readers...
From the book, "GLAD NEWS! GOD LOVES YOU, MY MUSLIM FRIEND" by Samy Tanagho
From the chapter titled 'Was the Bible Altered, as Some Muslims Claim?'.....
"Those who had embraced Christianity in Asia, Africa, and Europe had no common language. The Bible was circulating in many different languages around the world. This would make any attempt tto falsify the Holy Scriptures impossible, and comparisons of these Bible translations in the various lannguages reveal complete accuracy of the Bible text.
AN IMPOSSIBLE CONSPRACY
It is not rational to suppose that Christians and Jews throughout the world could meet and agree on alterations of their Holy Scripture. History shows that Jews and Christians have had major doctrinal differences between them, and they have been in disagreement regarding many religious issues. (See Surah 2:113)
We also read in many verses Qur'an (such as in Surah 3:19 and Surah 98:4) that Christians were divided into sects. so if the Scriptures had been changed to alter doctrine, at least one of the many sects that existed within Judaism or Christianity at that time would have protested. Yet there is no historical mention oof ant such accusation or dissension.
By the time Muhhammad lived, Judaism and Christianity had spread throughout the world. Therefore, it would have been impossible for anyone or any group to collect all the Holy Books, manuscripts, and writings containing Scriptual references from all the churches, synagogues, schools, libraries, and homes to make the changes. Then the replacements would have had to be returned withhout detection. How could everyone who had a Bible be convinced to exchange it foor a revised (corrupted) version, and yet leave no evidence of such a monumental feat?
HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY BENEFIT THE JEWS OR THE CHRISTIANS TO CORRUPT HOLY SCRIPTURES?
....Some Muslims claim the Bible may have contained prophecies related to Muhhamad and that they were deleted. Where is the evidence? If such prophecies were originally found in the Bible, Christians and Jews would have acknowledged Muhammad. They would have followed him and benefited by sharing in the spoils given to muuslims at the conquests of Persia, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and many other lands.
....Contrary to any prophecies oof Muhhamad, over 300 prophecies of God's expected Messiah (the One to save people froom their sins) were all fullfilled by Jesus."
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So, you see Naseem, God is a loving God and wants to have a relationship with his creation, not a 5 times a day bow-down in fear. He sent his Son to absolve you of your sins, too. Read the Bible.....there's a reason they're so afraid of it in the cradle of islam, Saudi Arabia. It is the truth and in your heart you will feel it. Jesus NEVER said to kill another human being or to strike fear or smite necks, etc. He said to love your neighbor as yourself (NO DISTINCTION OF RACE OR RELIGION)and to love God with all your heart. Anything kind and compassionate in islam stems from the True God of the Bible.
Ishmael sounds a lot like the name of the sect whose members claim to be direct descendants of Mr. Perfect: Ismā'īlīs. Actually, it even sounds similar to the name of the ideology itself.
alaskan1000:
You nailed it 1000% on the Muslims' desecration of Temple remains with their underground expansion of Al Aqsa. This has to count as the greatest archaeological crime in history. The Israeli government's refusal to confront the Wakf on this is dhimmi behavior of the highest order.
BTW, see Numbers Ch. 19 on the red heifer. Interesting to bring that up in a thread on religious absurdities. It was to be slaughtered outside the camp/city gates (not on the altar), burnt, and its ashes used to help purify those who had come in contact with the dead. Even King Solomon was reputed to have thrown up his hands in puzzlement over this.
No_Mooselimbs
Joseph Wheless, Forgery in Christianity is an excellent book.
Although the title does not have the word Judaism, he writes about forgeries in The Old Testament as well.
Naseem: poor thing: the Holy Spirit as part of the trinity? ? I think you know allah(Mohammad) got confused in the Quran and revealed the Trinity was God, Jesus and Mary! To err is human.....as Mohammad indeed was.
No_Mooselimbs - didn't you ask me to send you a copy of my two-page 'Constitution vs. Sharia' essay at one point?
If you want a copy - send request to:
a_plague_on_both_houses@hotmail.com and I'll send it to you ASAP.
Thank You.
How do you know a Muslim is lying?
His lips are moving.
This is when I miss necessitasnonhabelegem because Dominic would have shot this load of crap down in flames. And he would have had names and quotes as well. Its strange that we need an achelogist and somebody with aknowladge of history here but it seems that we do but this is just even to me a load of crap.
Jewish Jerusalem is a Archelogical truth and can not be denied because it is science and comes out of the soil. Tamimi is idiot and and knows nothing and has no Archeaological qualifications anyway.
The dome located on the Temple Mount was actually stolen from a church in Lebanon's Beka'a Valley.