Is that a crime on campus now? Apparently it is at SFSU. "Students facing charges of 'desecration of Allah': Hamas, Hezbollah flags used in college Republicans protest," from WorldNetDaily.com, with thanks to Davida:
College Republicans at San Francisco State University desecrated the name of Allah by stepping on makeshift Hezbollah and Hamas flags, charged school officials who brought the students before a hearing yesterday.The trouble began at an Oct. 17 anti-terrorism rally in which the students stepped on butcher paper painted to resemble the flags of the Middle East terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah. The College Republicans say they simply copied the script from an image on the Internet and didn't know it bore the name of Allah in Arabic script.
University spokeswoman Ellen Griffin, however, told San Francisco Chronicle columnist Debra J. Saunders the university "stands behind this process" of investigating the students for possible punishment.
"I don't believe the complaint is about the desecration of the flag," Griffin said. "I believe that the complaint is the desecration of Allah."
The university has 10 days from the time of the hearing to decide whether to sanction the students.
How can this be desecration of Allah? Because Muslims claim they are not idolaters.
If this charge stands and these students are punished in any way, there should be a tidal wave of Hamas flag-burning protests throughout the country. I will personally led a protest in my little corner of the USA. If the Muslims get away with this one, we, as free citizens, really are doomed..and that's before they selectively drop nuclear bombs on a couple of our cities.
Yep, expect to see much more of this as muslims continue to push for special protections and coddling as they play up their perceived minority-victim status. Here we see yet again that there is one set of rules for muslims and a different set for us infidels.
And isn't it amazing how the Discovery Channel can produce a 'documentary' entitled "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" as *FACT* (notice there is no question mark there), upsetting the entire Christian faith world-wide... but a few kids at a college in the United States of America, the birthplace of protected free speech and assembly, cannot step on a flag that has merely the name of the god of the muslim faith.
It's astonishing and very sad to see that this is what we've come to.
Every day that goes by and I read here and at LGF, I fear that we are (already) doomed.
One definaition of living in an Islamic republic is that you can't desecrate Allah or Mohammad.
If the university punishes the students for desecrating Allah, then doesn't this mean that the university considers itself to be an Islamic university rather than a secular one?
ThoughtCrime - coming to a country near you "Real Soon Now" ...
Finally, some students with good sense. Desecrate allah now! Let's chant on campus:
Desecrate allah now.
Desecrate allah now.
Bomb bomb allah now!
911 we will repay!
Bomb bomb allah now!
911 we will repay!
Blasphemy? In San Francisco? Blasphemy? I never thought I'd live to see this.
So the university is saying that Allah is legitimately represented by such groups as Hamas and Hezbollah? How very Islamophobic!
"Allah" is an idea. Ideas have no rights. People have rights. According to the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights people have the right to express criticism of ideas, to insult ideas, to burn ideas, to defecate on ideas, to worship ideas, to argue about ideas, to sing kumbayah about ideas, so long as any of these things do not deprive other people of life, property or freedom without due process.
It is sad to see that the accused students have said that they did not know that the word Allah was part of the script on the Hamas and Hizbollah banners. Even if they knew, so what? It would be better if they did know and admit it. If they do not admit that they did know or if they claim that their behaviour would have been different if they did know, then they have already abdicated their right to freedom of conscience. Let them be burned at the stake then for their cowardice.
If the administration of SFSU cannot understand the difference between ideas and people, I suggest that current students and alumni demand a full tuition refund. Witches and astronomers beware. You are next.
Hi All,
This is ludicrous. How many times have Iraq dictator Saddam Hussein's people stepped on or tore up US flags, or stepped on a picture of Pres. George Bush I? How many times have the US and Israeli flags been burned by Middle East Muslims?
If Muslims put their god's name on a flag and then burn other people's flags, just what do they expect?
Maggoey
Hi All,
Please change Maggoey to Magooey. Sorry for the error.
Magooey
SFSU is a unit of the State of California a.k.a. The Peoples Republic of the Left Coast. A rule against "desectrating a religious icon seems to fly in the face of the First Amendmend - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion . . ." The Courts have, over the years, taken a very broad interpretation of this clause. They have even ruled against displaying the Ten Commandments in an Alabama Courthouse, for example.
Punishing someone for tramping on the Arabic word for Allah seems to me to be based on a law designed to protect religion. The ruling class of SFSU are nothing more than a cowardly group of hypocrites that deserve nothing less than long periods in jail. One fork of their tongues will rail against an amendment designed to prevent desecrating the US flag; the other fork will say that we need to protect religious icons.
Magooey, I stopped correcting my typos a long time ago. Unless it is a real goof that screws up the meaning, I leave it alone. I am not going to correct "desectrating in my other posting.
San Francisco of all places. Little do they know that the Jihadists see San Francisco and Las Vegas as modern day Sodom(SF)and Gommorah (LV)and would very much like to see them suffer the same fate. If they can make it happen they will.
Solution:
Step 1:
Write 'Allah' on baseball bats...
Step 2:
Use baseball-bat to whack Muhammedans upside the head
Step 3:
Repeat until Muhammedans testify that there are many gods besides 'Allah' and that Muhammad was not a profit...
Step 4:
Repeat again and again....
Per the second letter by FIRE, see http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/7810.html the hearing was yesterday 3/9/07. Anyone on this?
as funny as that is, it has ceased to be funny.
Allah is a set of characters on a flag? I suppose this is closer to the truth than we
think. After all, allah is merely a bunch of characters written in the Qur'an to serve the agendas of Mohammed, then those who followed after.
Allah is nothing but a combination of arabic characters.
The story begins last October during an “antiterrorism rally” held by a dozen or so students from the school’s chapter of the College Republicans. As group president Leigh Wolf explained over coffee in a Borders bookstore in this city’s Union Square recently, the students wanted to send a gesture which the two Islamist terrorist groups could understand. So they downloaded images of the flags from the Internet and drew handmade copies on butcher paper to stomp on—flag burning being disallowed by the school for safety reasons.
And stomp they did, trampling the “flags” while denouncing terrorism and terrorists in all their forms: Not just Hezbollah and Hamas, but also the Ku Klux Klan and various historical and contemporary monsters.
What they didn’t know at the time is that the flags of Hamas and Hezbollah bear the name of Allah. They didn’t know, says Wolf, because they don’t read or speak Arabic. They just copied the script, apparently doing a sufficiently poor job that they expected laughter, not outrage. (Some in the College Republicans do speak Arabic, Wolf says, just not the ones who made or stomped the flag.)
But outrage they got. As Wolf describes it, an incensed student of Middle Eastern origin pointed out the offense to Islam they had just committed by stomping on the name of Allah. The group considered the point for a moment and decided to invite him to find a magic marker with which to cross out the name. He did.
Another example of how the left has allied itself with people who want to exterminate us.
Really now, I think the the administrations of the universities around this country have to be changed and the leftist removed. They are literally the enabling the death of America in the name of free speech. Since when is the U.S. Constitution a suicide pact?
As for the ROP, it is nothing more than thuggery institutionalized and refuge for the weak of mind and heart.
So what if I stomp on Allah? I'll do it all day long.
Pretty clear now, isn't it, where the demons of really reside? The mainstream media is the mouthpiece of the totalitarians on both the right AND left, and the demons run the asylum -- better known as the American universities. If you start by cleaning out the muck -- Islamic fellow travelers and their ilk -- in academia, force the academy to return to REAL inquiry and teaching critical thinking, we may -- MAY -- start to win back people to reality. Don't forget that PC comes straight out of Marxism -- that group think totalitarians just love.
I bet if you took a look into their good old donor list there at SFSU you'd find some Saudi money there, or some big Muslim alumni money from maybe a quasi American Muslim. Pretty logical, right? Don't want to tick off the big money, do they? Better squash those poor students.... remember those scholarships, right? Don't want Muslim donors to be offended....
If I were an alum, I would have a bird about SFSU. Look at William and Mary and that dust up about the cross in the Wren Chapel -- the threat of withdrawal of a $12M gift got their attention in the W&M administration. Money always does get the attention of the administrators. Why give anything to these demons? Anyone graduating in the past 20 years can tell you how much the quality of American higher ed has slipped, and now it's pretty obvious why....
It's bad enough that Esposito and his Saudi financiers control Georgetown, what was for a long time a major research university. But that was before universities took Islamic money and in return, closed down critical thinking and objective research.
Ban money from ALL international groups to universities, and ban money from ALL groups supporting terrorism. BAN all of it. Now!
It will be fun to watch these asswipes at SFSU, together with fellow travelers at the State Higher Ed, and, ultimately, the clowns of the 9th Circus, dig themselves into a hole. Hopefully it will be a deep enough hole to thoroughly entrap and expose them, deep enough to warrant the U.S. Supreme Court sorting out this crap once and for all.
If you annually budget based on large donations, you have enslaved yourself to your donor's agenda. One should not accept donations that explicitly or implicitly bind one to the promotion of alien ideological agendas. Because that's not accepting a "donation". That's called taking a bribe. Different rules apply.
"If Muslims put their god's name on a flag and then burn other people's flags, just what do they expect?" Difficult to put it more succinctly.
Concerned Citizen: Bribery it is, and reality in all its glory too. That's how it works in higher ed these days. Look closely at the controversy at Georgetown and Esposito's gifts from the Saudis...Georgetown ended up kicking off many Christian groups off campus -- here, at a Jesuit university -- to make the Saudis happy. And all in the name of Christian-Islamic "understanding." If that's not bribery, I don't know what is. Maybe racketeering? Prostitution of higher education? Look at the phony scholars like Esposito it spews out. Oil doesn't seem to be the ONLY vice in the West.
""I don't believe the complaint is about the desecration of the flag," Griffin said. "I believe that the complaint is the desecration of Allah."
....evidently Ms Griffin needs to be educated about "Allah"....and " Islam"....
...Maybe we should invited Ms Griffin to share her thought about Islam and Allah here on JW...
And when the muslims were burning the Danish flag - which happens to have a CROSS on it, all those leftist cooks in San Francisco were up in arms, right?
The point is, in this country, we can write the name "allah" on a picture of a pig, and then urinate on it. That is not a crime, no matter how thin-skinned and hypersensitive these mahometan jackasses are.
It's only OK to burn an American or Isreali flag, it's not as much fun when somone else flag is burn. That this is in San Francisco shouldn't surprise anyone. A few weeks ago, some students were beaten up for singing the American National Anthem.
What in hell were the puffed-up jihadist/terrorist supporters doing laying their 'flags' on the ground?!
If the idiots are so Allah-sensitive, you'd think that dragging their crayoned efforts around in the dirt would be a blasphemy in itself.
Further to that, any halfwit knows that flag protocol prohibits any flags from being dropped on the ground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration
I'm a bit vague on this, but isn't there an islamic country where they have the Israeli and USA flags set into the ground so people can walk all over them as they enter a building? I'm sure I saw a photo sometime but can't remember where.
"College Republicans at San Francisco State University desecrated the name of Allah by stepping on makeshift Hezbollah and Hamas flags, charged school officials who brought the students before a hearing yesterday."
Yes, because Hizballah and Hamas are the authentic examples of what "Allah" stands for.
The dummies that brought these accusations have once again exposed the truth, about Islam.
Anything that offends ISLAM is wrong. They can crap on Judaism and Christianity all day long in San Francisco. The vicious obscenity of anti-Catholic elements in the 'Gay Pride' parade is so calculatedly cruel and hurtful I've known 'proud and out' gays (not even Catholic) who were shocked and disgusted and ashamed. Self-hate will end in self destruction.
At SFSU, they attack Jews as well as Judaism: http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Fear_and_Loathing_at_San_Francisco_State.asp.
To think I nearly went there!
Anyone care to bet it's A-OK to desecrate the Bible or image of Jesus there?
Hey Foehammer, post those pictures of The islamic Thinkers effin with our flag.
I love it that we are forced to take crosses down, ban the use of the name Jesus, try and ban Bible faith and prayer and persecute those who do in America and yet Allah who is so so superior some how gets the right to persecute those who unintentially descrate a piece of paper that says Allah on it.
I swear that the spirit of Anti-Christ and Islam are on the same anti-Christian path the two forces that is one political correctness and two political intollerant Islam is of the same side.
The two really are one entity as long as 'Love' 'Truth' 'Christ' and the Biblical anti-dote against Satan and his demons can not harm them are taken out the forces of evil can take over and they will as predicted.
I used to live in Berkeley and I saw alot of crazy protests. I was even caught up in one outside of my house (I lived near the university) and ended up running from the cops with everyone else even though I had no idea what the protest was even about. There were protests all the time. Its absolutely mind boggling to me that in San Francisco (practically the land of free protest) they would try to silence these students. I guess your only allowed to protest there if the universities agree with your protest
As SFSU is an agency of the State of California, isn't an attempt to sanction these students, for their actions, unconstitutional?
Seems pretty clear to me.
Where's the ACLU on this?
Oh wait. Upon closer examination, the ACLU is not actually interested in promoting Civil Liberties. That is just an old, anachronistic, name of theirs. My bad.
Have any other libertarian posers commented on this? Bill Maher?
yup, I bet the so called 'American Civil Liberties Union' wouldn't touch this with a ten-foot pole
At every pro-Palestinian, Stop the War, pro-Hezbollah or similar demonstration you will see banners upon which the Star of David is equated with the Nazi swastika. You will.
The Magen David is not a post-1948 invention, of course, but a symbol representing the Jewish community or Judaism.
Are such banners not forms of desecration?
I would strongly advise any member of this - or any - university to keep an eye on any future rallies of this sort at their institution; and if they see banners of this type...well, the goose and gander come to mind.
Well to change the universities ruling bodies from left wing/liberal cloud cookoo land marxists, you only have to remove all the useless social "science" courses, and dodgy humanities courses where these people reside. You know, sociology, psychology, etc, etc that scientifically "investigate" things, and always find a left wing/liberal solution to the problem.
It would save lots of money, tons of paper, and stop these people climbing from useless courses, to managing universities. They'd all have to run bookshops or something instead.
Remember the case at Clare College Cambridge (UK) a while back?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015228.php
A few comments from posters at that time:
“"God save the Queen and her fascist regime, she ain't no ........," erm. I'll never go to Britannistan again. Words cannot express how much I detest this evil, rotten blemish on our planet. No, not you kind folks from the UK who must put up with this madness on a daily basis. Your grovelling, treacherous leaders are a disgrace to the world and are leading us all down Submission Lane.”
“I guess I don't understand how a university in a country with the rich philosophical tradition of thinkers such as John Locke and J.S. Mill, who contributed in some measure with their thought to the freedom that the free world now enjoys, can so easily surrender its sense of academic freedom to the vociferous demands of a minority like this. But then again, I don't live in Britain, so I guess I never will understand.”
“Sounds like the UK needs a Constitution.”
“I think that this is a telling example of how much power that a Muslim minority has gained in Britain, and it should be a warning to those of us in the States to fight for the right to free speech, while we still have it.”
Perhaps, now that something very similar is revealed to be happening in their own country, those posters, and others like them, will hesitate before passing blanket judgment on other countries when presented with similar cases of “dhimmitude”.
Something similar was posted on Jihadwatch last summer during the football World Cup tournament in Germany: the Saudi and Iranian flags had been included, with those of all the other nations participating, in a display outside a brothel. Local Muslims objected and the flags were removed - they did not object to the Tunisian flag being there. Since the Tunisian flag only features a star and crescent, while the other two flags have the name of allah on them, the objection must have been much the same. Should nations (and groups like hezbollah) have the right to demand that their flags be treated as sacrosanct objects, more so than those of any other nation? Of course not -e ither they should take the name of their god off their flags or they should shut up.
JFGR believe me we already know. The entire west is infected with dhimmitude from Europe to Canada to America to Australia, we're all crawling with dhimmis. Sounds like Denmark is going to be the first country to really wake up, I hope at least
That isnt desecration.
Desecration would be something like
Men pissing on the words
Women pissing or menstrating on the words
That is more like it
I would sure like to visit Medina and piss on Mohammads grave - thats desecration
If I ever get another dog, I'm gonna name it Mohammed.
Pelayo:
If I ever get another dog, I'm gonna name it Mohammed.
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That will sure infuriate Muslims.
Better still, call the dog Allah.
They will go absolutely appoplectic
My God is incapable of being desecrated.
Maybe the Islamists ought to consider converting to my religion?
I think it could be a better deal all around for the Muslims to have a God who possesses, at the very least, good Self-Esteem - a God who isn't walking around the livelong day, clutching his privates while worrying about being 'Humiliated" and barking out orders willy nilly for people to murder and rape and seethe to prove obedience in his awful name.
Fire the staff at SFSU who brought these charges. Its ridiculous. These assholes defend the employment of Ward Churchill and others who continually mock America. If burning the American flag is protected free speech, how is stepping on a Hezbollah or Hamas flag not free speech. People should write to Gov. Schwarznegger about this stuff at a state funded university.
Time for some enterprising person to come up with new ways to desecrate Allah and Muhammad. Here are a few suggestions.
-muhammed/allah door mat. Make sure you wipe on it to clean your shoes before you enter.
-muhammed/allah shoe soles. Now you can walk on muhammed/allah all day long.in comfort. Now you can desecrate muhammed/allah in all waking hours.
-muhammed/allah toilet paper. There was an ayatollah toilet paper so this will be nothing new. Muhammad pbuh. (Poo be upon him)
-muhammed/allah . dog shirt.. Something for your pet. To keep him warm and happy while infuriating muslims.
No anti Islamists should be without one of these items.
So protesters, here in the U.S., can burn the U.S. flag, but not the flags of terrorist organizations? A statue of Christ can go into a jar of piss, but the symbols of Hamas and Hizb'Allah are sacrosanct?
Hats off to the College Republicans at SFSU for pointing out how ludicrous the current situation is.
I would rather think my pet pig named "Allah" or "Mohamed" would bring tears to their eyes! NO?
More on the related Clare College Cambridge dhimmi scandal from Nick Cohen in the Observer today. Cohen lambasts the liberals who shy away from defending free speech when religion is involved:
“All work beyond the bland offends someone, as the leaders of Britain's arts would have told Tony Blair if he had asked why the public had to finance the tsunami of agitprop his alliance with Bush inspired. The giving of offence is a sign of free society, they would have spluttered. So it is, but when there is a risk involved, their bravery vanishes and the cultural elite goes awol. It's the same story every time. Rory Bremner has no more leapt up to condemn the silencing of student satirists this year than Nicholas Serota condemned the closing of MF Husain's exhibition by Hindu extremists last year.
Many reasons explain the trahison des clercs - a woozy multiculturalism that thinks it is bigoted to take on bigots, a racism of low expectations which holds that ethnic minorities can't handle the freedoms enjoyed by their betters and the willingness of modern liberals to sneer at Enlightenment values. But the greatest of all is fear. As I keep pointing out, the backing away from necessary confrontations will have a disastrous effect. Dr Fara's apology to 'other religious leaders' was suggestive.”
(N.B. Brit-bashers – Cohen is a left-winger writing in a left-of-centre newspaper. In full at:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2031234,00.html
Could Clare College’s pusillanimity have something to do with this:
http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/news/dp/2007021903 ?
I'd like to make a "Screw You Allah and your psycho fake impostor child molester rapist Mo freak" poster with the letters glued from my cat's turds onto a placard and place it in front of the nearest mosque to my house, the nerve to do it is growing stronger in me every day . . .
Posted by: DebV
I like the way you think Deb. You may become a famous artiste! Think "P*** Christ"
I would never burn the Hamas flag. I'd only dip it in liquified pig manure.
Ultimately GWB was merely observing a fact when he asserted that on is either with us or against us in this fight.
And I think the staff as SFU have made it clear which side they are on.
Burn the American flag - no problem, free speech.
Step on Hezbollah and Hamas flags - Scandal! Outrage! Investigations.
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PS: How much do you want to bet that the same dopes that are all upset about the kids stepping on a piece of paper with the word allah written on it, were just fine about the museum exhibits in NY where a cross was presented in a bottle of urine and a picture of St. Mary was smeared with elephant manure?
One would think a moderate Muslim should be more upset to see Allah's name desecrated by being on the Hamas and Hezbollah flags.
alla - pigs be upon it.
Now let me file that application to SFSU
Joeblough, just sit back and enjoy the show. I mean here we have some of the most amoral, irreverent arse-holes on the face of the planet having to invent and defend a de-facto blasphlemy law. What could be more entertaining?
The Republican club has uncovered a gold mine. You have these jihadists, who even the US state Dept regards as "terrorists", and who have seen fit to emblazen the arabic for their moon-god on their banners. Combine that with the thin-skinned, humorless, narcisistic nature of the mahometan male, and you can create instant "outrage" and force the likes of SFSU administration into very difficult positions. I love it!
Anti-ISM activist Lee Kaplan has written many pieces about campus life in California, SFSU among them, detailing the physical assaults and harassment endured by Jewish students who are pro-Israel and campus Republican organizations. The very thought that SFSU's administration would use its resources to investigate the tramping of a piece of paper when it has turned a blind eye against much worse behavious tells you everything we need to know about how dysfunctional the groves of academe really are.
"If I ever get another dog, I'm gonna name it Mohammed.
Posted by: Pelayo"
If I ever get a farm, I am naming my stud boar "Allah"...
I hope there is some follow-up on what happens with this idiot university. Anyone remember the "art work" entitled Piss Christ with a figure representing Jesus in a container of urine? That would probably be quite ok with the powers that be at SFSU. Seems like a first ammendment case to me that should be a slam-dunk if litigated. Let's hope it is. ACLU - mia? All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal that others. Thought crime is very near.