Terrorists Proving Harder to Profile

"We were flabbergasted to learn that she had become a fanatic," said Renee Haantjes, a college instructor who recalled her as "a normal Dutch girl."

She probaly always was, she just tricked you.

"It's very difficult to make a profile of terrorists," Tjibbe Joustra, the Dutch national coordinator for counterterrorism, said in an interview. "To have a profile that you can recognize, so that you can predict, 'This guy is going to be radical, perhaps he will cross the line into terrorism' -- that, I think, is impossible."...

Why is it that we in the West allow ourselves to get bogged down with profiling Muslims to try to determine if one guy's going to "cross the line into terrorism" and another's not?

If they're Muslims, the potential for turning terrorist is always there, so you expel them from your country.

Problem solved!

Why is it that we in the West allow ourselves to get bogged down with profiling Muslims to try to determine if one guy's going to "cross the line into terrorism" and another's not?

If they're Muslims, the potential for turning terrorist is always there, so you expel them from your country.

Problem solved!

Posted by: rational at March 12, 2007 10:59 AM

You make it sound too easy. The West is currently too PC to see the facts before its eyes. The West rather focus on the Muslim individual than 1400 years of Islamic history and Islamic text.

"In general, he determined that no reliable profile existed -- ""

.....number one trait....do they have any relatives going to Mosques,

.....Number two trait....have they ever even mentioned reading the Qur'ab

.....Number three trait...have they ever told anyone Islam is Peaceful...and that all this Islamic terrorism is carried by just a few individuals who have taken the Qur'an "out of context"...

....Number four...do they refuse to eat pork or drink a pint of stout....

......i do agree the Muslims are trying to hide their identities better than before, but there are still a lot of common little things to look for....

I'd still say that this list of criteria will encompass 80 to 90 percent of the jihadis at the present time:

a) Males
b) 18 to 40
c) born in a middle eastern country or the son of immigrants from a middle eastern country
d) Arabic or middle eastern name
and a
e) devout Muslim described as
f) 'a good boy' by members of his previous community.

A 'moderate' muslim can become an extremist at any given time. Their like ticking time bombs and you never know when one is gonna blow

Re: Terrorists Proving Harder to Profile

The soul of each man and woman is a mystery and goodness and kindness or cruelty are suddenly apparent in a person because of circumstances. In the movie Schindler's List, Schindler makes that point (to the Jewish accountant) re the sadistic SS commandant Goeth. Shindler says that the circumstances (war, the killing factories)brought out Goeth's real nature. That was also true of Oscar Schindler. The truth is that in everyday life we speak to devils and angels in human form everyday. It's hard to recognize the devils because of their deception.

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She may have been a "normal Dutch girl." And then something changed her. It could have been any number of things. A smooth-talking fellow Muslim, who brought her back to the True Faith in every way. A personal setback -- loss of a job, loss of a boyfriend, the ennui or Durkheimian anomie of life in the lonely big world, in which the ready-made Umma of Islam can seem so bracing and embracing, and which supplies an entire Total System that Explains and Regulates Absolutely Everything, which is also a kind of comfort. Ask those hysterical Germans signing up for Nazionalsozialismus in 1928, or 1930, or 1933, or 1936.

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer.

Ein Volk: The Believers. That Umma to which all loyalty is owed, and who are so very different from the Unbelievers, or Infidels, to whom no loyalty, or friendship, or true kindness, or unfeigned gratitude, must ever be felt or shown.

Ein Reich: The Caliphate, or if not administratively yet one Caliphate, then some approximation thereof, of Muslim states working in tandem against non-Muslims. For now, that amounts to the O.I.C. (Organization of Islamic Countries) and, still more basic, the Arab League. Within those groupings there are internal problems, but that does not hide the fact of the attempt to bring together all the Muslim-ruled lands to stand, in opposition, whenever necessary, to non-Muslims. There is no other equivalent grouping, by any Infidels anywyhere (no "Organization of Christian or even Post-Christian States" or "Organization of Buddhist States" and as for "Hindu" or "Jewish states" each of those sets has a membership, cantorially speaking, of one).

Ein Fuhrer. There are rivalries for that post of would-be Fuhrer. There is the mediagenic, soft-spoken Bin Laden. There is the unmediagenic, un-soft-spoken Al-Zawahiri. There are other, little fuhrers hoping to grow bigger: Khaled Meshaal of Hamas, or even a Shia candidate or two, unlikely as it appears that the Sunnis would ever acquiesce in a Shi'a-ruled quasi-caliphate: the late Ayatollah Khomeini, or Sheikh Nasrallah of Hezbollah in Lebanon,, or Moqtada al-Sadr of the Mahdi Army in Iraq. It doesn't matter whether this or that candidate is now judged the Most Likely to Succeed as the Successor to the Successors of Muhammad, the Rightly-Guided Caliphs of the first century of Islam. What matters only is that the ideal of the united Muslims (united against Infidels), within a united Caliphate, and run by a Rightly-Guided Caliph, is present in the minds, or hopes and dreams, of hundreds of millions.

It is not the likelihood of the dream being made a reality that matters, but the fact of the impulse itself. In trying to dominate all of Europe (and then, tomorrow, the world) Adolf Hitler caused the deaths of 60 million people and destroyed much of Europe. Given that the Umma is much larger, is much more populous, and commands far more resources (those ten trillion dollars that Muslim states have received since 1973 can buy a lot of weapoonry, a lot of propaganda, a lot of Western hirelings) than Nazi Germany, or ten Nazi Germanys.

Ein Volk. Ein Reich. Ein Fuhrer.

"Islam is to dominate and is not to be dominated."

"OK, Ok, this is too funny! Can any one here find a woman to even make him a breakfast? I can't! And some muz guy can get a woman to blow herself up! So what am I lacking here?" - QuadoLama

QuadoLama, poor dear, if you were in Texas I would come make you some breakfast :D

From the article:
"The demographics of those being arrested are so diverse that many European counterterrorism officials and analysts say they have given up trying to predict what sorts of people are most likely to become terrorists."

This may be one of the best things to happen yet... Maybe *NOW* they will look to the lone characteristic all the 'terrorists' have in common and that is the belief in islam. Period. No more looking at educational level, economic status, ties to certain mosques, beliefs about Israel, the existance of Britney Spears, etc. Now it's staring them in the face: the one common tie is islam, and islam is the problem.

"It is not the likelihood of the dream being made a reality that matters, but the fact of the impulse itself". -Hugh

Yes, it is what Hitler called "the movement". It's not about justice, it's about power, "the movement", "the triumph of the will", domination. In the final analysis the impulse can only be stopped by the kind of firepower that leveled Berlin in 1945. That's reality. The dust never settles in these matters.

This is quite possibly my best and most inspired editorial to-date:

My Reaction to ‘Our Children’s Children’s War’

You tell me.

Hugh-

I think in every person there is always the desire to abandon rationality. It's a great temptation to identify with a mass movement. We see this impulse (mildly) in how people identify with sports teams. One would think the person won the football game, etc. with how some people identify with a team that makes them feel important. Most people are mediocre and "movements" are identified with for that reason. The individual feels power, supremacy, importance.

The team spirit: Ein Volk. Ein Reich. Ein Fuhrer. "My team must dominate".

"Terrorists Proving Harder to Profile: European Officials Say Traits of Suspected Islamic Extremists Are Constantly Shifting,"

....they know we are looking for them....we, too, must adjust...learn to identify them....who they associate with....where they get their money.....where they travel.....we are getting better at finding them...it is a live game of cat and mouse....we have spies in their midst...and they know it....they can trust no one....

It's about the escape from the finite self (identification with teams, mass movements, pop culture). We are finite but have infinite desires. The door to irrationality is swung open when we escape from our self in "movements" to satisfy our infinite desires.

The profile is anyone who beleives Mohammad was a prophet of god.

Read the Koran for the explanation!

Non-Muslims must acquaint themselves with the Koran to understand this apparent sudden jihadist syndrome. Buy a Koran! The calls to violent jihad and to despise the non-Muslim (hell bound anyway) are there in the text (eg. 98:6, 9:29 etc.). All a “moderate” Muslim has to do is to read the Koran afresh in a literal way and this radicalization is practically automatic given the absurd belief that the words are directly from Allah.

Face it, fundamental Islam is the most dangerous ideology in the world, which is why Muslim conscience restrictions on immigration are crucial.

The war that matters in the long run is the war on this 7th century intollerant ideology. The West needs the news media to join this war.

Foehammer: http://magazines.enews.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060306&s=hammer030606

My son is in Mali, in Timbuktu, of all places, with the SF, and they have been there for some time now. And the program is right on in that the ones that like us in Africa can appreciate the things we are doing there. But the ones that hate us, hate us still, even though we are spending a gozillion $ to bring them into the new era.

The program tended to be about 'private contractors' and the politics of what we are doing there in Africa. As I have been saying to anyone that will listen, Africa is going to be the real enemy soon.

But we in the west just don’t care about Africa as this article tells us.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/31722 It is funny.

The ones to watch out for are the recent converts, the ones who have been seduced by the Imams who give these creatures a way to rationalize and invent reasons why their lives are so miserable. They can blame someone else for their problems. They can seek revenge and be rewarded in ways that no rational person will believe.

Whatever name we give to the cultural, back sliding, cocktail swigging, Mercedes driving Muslems is providing a false sense of security. They are just one life-crisis away from Sudden Jihad Syndrome. A failed marriage, failing grades, financial problems, are creating ticking time bombs just waiting to explode, and they are just one gunshot away from redemption.

"There is no standard jihadi terrorist in Europe," the study concluded...."

Profiles (outward physical characteristics of a person) may change, but the fingerprints don't. The "radicals" (who are merely the faithful) still exhibit certain attributes definable by actions. A support structure that "enables" can be identified and disrupted based on the fingerprints left. For example, you can't go from 0 to 60 without having talked to someone about buying a car...purchasing the car...practicing driving...and then getting on the highway and stepping on the gas...oh yeah, and using the car to run down college students.

But in all this, one has to first acknowledge what it means to become faithful in a belief system that offers only one assured way to bypass judgement day...which is what the profile was seeking to identify..the jihadi.

I disagree; terrorists are easy to profile: Moslems. There! Simple, n'est pas?

I disagree that terrorists are harder to profile Mr. Spencer in there is a history showing distinct groups in Islam. This female is one of them in being a George Clooney Rosie O'Donnell psychopathy type.

If you notice many of the 9 11 Muslims were from successful families like a great deal of the terrorists who act out are. This psychosis is based in the Hollywood left syndrome of "I am successful and therefore I feel guilty about my poor people."

This guilt drives people to odd reactions. In the west, you find David Letterman stewing every night as his release for being a millionaire to someone like John Kerry not caring to give his own money to the poor but greedily like a Kennedy spending your money.

A successful terrorist has time to contemplate the problems they are told exist. In honesty, America has "imams" such as Jeff Rense, Steve Quayle, Alex Jones etc... of the internet who publish outrageous lies for profit and power and have Americans believing all sorts of strange things from George Bush is gay to Dick Cheney beat him up.
ALL of this ends up in Islamic imams sermons and if certain American believe it and it gets repeated like in D'Souza's diatribes then it makes al Jazeera, and, the next thing you know you have wealthy Muslims uncomfortable in their skin wanting to something and a terrorist is born.

As this site explains Islam is a terrorist inducing haven, but there are "tells" in his body of Muslims in each part of the organism playing a role.
Leaders like the Saudi's stay silent on terrorism and allow other leaders to spew murder. The imams indoctrinate missions to the masses. The masses either partake of it in welfare so they have time for marches or the educated broadcast it on al Jazeera or they learn to make bombs.

This woman though was a red light in the making. She felt guilt and in typical Bob Barker fashion one can not hate themselves, so they orient on a cause to hate something in order to change the world. Barker choose innocent animals to cherish and people to vent upon like many American serial green terrorists to salve the inner sore.
The Dutch treat though is that affluent trend which as always been Islam, because the rich in Islam have always had the time to go out and create mayhem.

bin Laden is not a pauper.

The "empty suits" middle east experts keep telling us the profile changes.

The more it changes the easier it will be to make the equation: Terrorist=Muslim.

Much to the amazement of the "empty suits".

Alert : Mr Spencer

Jihad online

An estimated 5,000 web sites are devoted to the spread of Islamic extremism. » '60 Minutes' video

This is on the yahoo homepage

http://www.yahoo.com/

Asalami Ilaikum,
Oh sure it is real difficult to figure out the profile that fits them. Lately I have been visiting islamist discussion boards, if you want to get your blood boiling visit of and see for yourself. The posts are all the same, a message of hate and murder for us in the West/America. By the way, they really get touchy over being mocked, especially by American girls. I remember one freak I came across, wrote about murdering and burying someone in a shallow grave, you know, so he can dig it up and kill it over and over again, I wonder what he does with his other hand while he is having his fun? It has struck me that it will be easier to figure out who isn’t an islamist than who is. They all use names similar to abujihad, but leave it to the authorities/military not to get the hint.

The outward physical characteristics of the terrorist may change, but the ideology and support structure that lead him to that point does not. The profile must define the actions of the group that enables the terrorist act. Such a profile then identifies the maximum exposure to the group. Some (media/politicians) are not ready to look into the lens of reality.

....filled with the Mo-ly spirit no doubt.

Good one Goobs! LOL!!

....filled with a "moldy" spirit.

OT

Dominic's family has posted a message on the thread RIP from the other day. It really is easy to see what a wonderful family they are and why he was such a thoughtful writer.

In reality, jihadists move freely within Muslim communities, recruiting by pointing to chapter and verse of the Qur'an and Hadith, and are largely unchallenged by peaceful Muslims as they do so.

At the risk of repeating myself, I’m a little hinky with the word peaceful here. To my mind, it is an act of aggression to partake any part of Islam.

In other words, there is absolutely no excuse for being a Moslem. None. Active or inactive, all Moslems drink from the same poisoned well.

All Moslems always mean harm to all non-Moslems. Always, and in every way.

@QuodoLama: Yes, we'll never do enough for Africa in the eyes of the self-hating Left that want to shift the United States into some Socialist vision of itself, because they are always looking for ways to make themselves feel better about their own lack of adherence to much that is meaningful, lawful or actually perpetuating the idea that American values are worth defending. Multiculturalism runs rampanat in California, so the Hollywood elite will keep beating the drum that we should be marching into Darfur. They can't even recognize let alone comprehend that wherever Islam reigns the problems of the world corrode into the genocide we witness in parts of Africa, Eastern Europe etc.

Africa can not continue to be a constant drain on the rest of the world, but as long as it has such large parts of it under the grip of Sharia Law and Saudi schooling and Arab racism and slave-peddlers, we'll see very little improvement. The Muslim elite want nothing better than to drain the coffers of the West while we attempt to "fix" Africa. In the meantime, Muslims seek "reverts" right in our backyards using our laws, our tax monies and protections and our own lack of awareness against us.

The answer is so painfully obvious that Islam is the source of these problems, that no matter how many times I say it clearly, people would still rather read articles filled with platitudes and ambiguities and flowery phrases because those articles still give the average reader the hope that there is still an EXIT door somewhere near the back of the theater to escape through -- that Islam isn't really the problem, that the problem is us.

Fine. I can wax poetic in my articles more often if that will start to make people aware of the rants of an anonymous writer from Texas. Hell, one of these days I might even start using my real name, endanger my own life and everyone around me, see the results of that calamity and then when I'm a martyr to the cause it might build one more block in the wall that needs to be erected to keep the Muslims out of the USA. I'm so bitter and angry and tired of it all, the idea no longer even makes me flinch.

And now, will the Real islamic jihadists stand up.........? Well I'll be....it's ALL of them1!!!

... who converted to Islam, traveled to Iraq and blew herself up in November 2005. The incident still perplexes Belgians.

I guess the 'works-based religion' appealed to her.

I looked at SamiZ's blog; the usual victimology, whining, veiled threats, in other words, your typical Moslem thug.

Why do they all seem like horny, frustrated, dull-normal teens?

yes, there is one common factor among all terrorists...islam! profile muslims!!!! who cares if we offend them, muslims get offended for every preceived slight anyways.

Well that is as close as a PC shackled Europe is going to get to, ISLAM is the problem.

You read this bit:

"In general, he determined that no reliable profile existed -- their traits were merely an accurate reflection of the overall Muslim immigrant population in Europe. "

And it means that the profile is simply Islam, but then he realises that he will be accused of racism, Islamophobia, his funding would be cut off, he will never get work again and he has to add this priceless final sentence which had me chuckling since I first read this post...

"There is no standard jihadi terrorist in Europe," the study concluded....

I am laughing as I type this, its so pathetic isn't it, so err what makes an Islamic Terrorist, sound of desperate search for something other than, well Islam...

This does not suprise me because since there will be some westerners who will convert to Islam, we may see more non-Arab Muslims.

@Daffersd: Perhaps if we start claiming Muhammad was an alien from Mars, we'd have a better chance of addressing our "human" problem of Islam. You're absolutely right in laughing at the situation -- it's so insanely redundant how so many beat around the proverbial bush, that to not find humor in the situation is to go completely crazy.

Stop islamic immigration.

And all illegal immigration.http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8NQO5800&show_article=1

Foehammer and others, please no martyrs. Patton(roughly); We win wars by making the other poor sucker die for his country/beliefs.
If hollyweird is beating the drum for Darfur, it isn’t being heard here in California. I have lived here for what seems like forever and yes it has changed. First of all most of my school days friends have moved to other states, you lucky dogs. They often ask me, why do you stay, why don’t you move here near us? Well I am not leaving and if I were to leave I would return to where most of my family still reside, a Kansassippian in California pretty well describes me.

Second we have a problem with illegal immigration, you will be told that there are 12 million nationwide, we have close to that many here, that is no BS! There is a Huge, I mean really Huge anti illegal immigrant (of any race creed color or religion/ideology) undercurrent out there that you will never hear about in the mmm. Everyone talks about it just about anywhere you go. Even many libs I know are showing signs of realizing the problem. To be sure we have our share of libs, but out here I am liked by and get along with most liberals and conservatives alike, and I don’t hide my views, I have never been PC. Yeah I know who would have thunk it? So that will tell you what kind of people we have here in general. Don’t worry too much about hollweird they are loud but out here we understand they have some psychiatric problems that cannot be overcome.

Another recurring theme I came across in my travels was the “I have Proof” they are doing this or that to me. As if right off the bat they have to “prove” they are telling the truth, even to their own compatriots.

If they are Muslim, they are terrorists.
It is as simple as that.

When I call Islam the Enemy -- I am not saying that Muslims are innocent. I'm simply not condoning a genocidal approach.

That said, however, the first time a friend or family member of mine dies to an Islamic terror attack, I will put down my pen and pick up something new.

Perhaps if we start claiming Muhammad was an alien from Mars, we'd have a better chance of addressing our "human" problem of Islam.

Posted by: Foehammer at March 12, 2007 02:42 PM

Islam is so alien compared to most religions that I wonder if it really did come from out of this world. The way it has consumed much of the world in the last 1400 years it's as if this is some sci-fi movie from the 1950's, only it is all too real.

From a psychological standpoint, whites who convert to Islam are most probably outcasts suffering from mental illness and want a feeling of belonging to something, whether it be a cause or group.

From a religious standpoint, those who convert to Islam were not chosen to be in God's Book of Life. And as stated by Frank above, It's hard to recognize the devils because of their deception.

QuadoLama said:
I feel talking like this makes me sound like a ‘nut job’, but I cant help this feeling that they are just keeping their powder dry. So call me paranoid for now, but later you can say that we weren’t paranoid enough, I think.

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You are absolutely right QuadoLama.

Wherever Muslims are numerically weak, the strategy is to "bide time, look normal, dont say anything provocative (so that he liberals within that country will defend you saying that you are one of them), BUT BREED LIKE CRAZY".
When they become numerically stronger, then at that point they will become active.

tgusa-

After 14 years, finding my wife, birthing a child, and making hundreds of friends, I made it out of Cali. For now, it's a good place to visit but it is as lost to aliens (the correct word) as Dearborn is to Mohammedans.

I lived in a pretty well to do area in West L.A. and still encountered drive-bys near my door step. The Aztlanians compare themselves to the Palestinians and get away with too much.

-XRDC

"a normal Dutch girl."

She probaly always was, she just tricked you.
Posted by: Elric66

Outlaw islam and you have no terrorism. Simple as that. They have enough countries where they can practice their godless cult? There's no reason to tolerate any of this crap over here.

Ban moFo immigration NOW!! Deportation next.

@QuadoLama & UK Infidel Lover:

I absolutely agree that the Muslims are just playing possum until they have a 10% or greater population in the USA and other nations.

This is why I have repeatedly called for an outlawing of Islam in the United States. Still think I want to coddle Muslims? Anything but -- I simply don't want to be forced to confront them all with their own version of Paradise if it can be helped, but if the chips fall and it's them or us, I know I'm not going to suddenly "revert" and wrap the nearest cloth around my head.

Wow, if this is how we get started on a Monday, this is going to be an interesting week.

americaningermany-

You actually speak for a lot of people in your comment, express a lot of the annoyance re this arrogance. (arrogance is a cover for insecurity, but it is still annoying.) A lot of these misogynist Muslims have low self esteem and they are going to be involved with women who have low self-esteem or no choice in the matter. This guy was jealous of someone to go berserk like that. He was on a control trip for sure...

The Goobs - "I guess the 'works-based religion' appealed to her."

Nailed it on the head. Works-based is easy. You don't have to have a relationship with your "god", you only have to follow or enforce the rules.

One main problem is that Islam only offers one sure way to bypass judgement and be assured of a place in paradise. With jihad, you have a guarantee...with out it, you can only hope you impressed your "god". So that leaves the faithful with limited direction for growth.

We can only hope the "moderates" don't read the Qur'an and become faithful.

@always7:

"One main problem is that Islam only offers one sure way to bypass judgement and be assured of a place in paradise. With jihad, you have a guarantee...with out it, you can only hope you impressed your "god". So that leaves the faithful with limited direction for growth."

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And that is exactly why there has been at least 1 Islamic suicide bombing every single day in this month of March so far...the "true Muslims" believe fully that this will guarantee their entrance to Paradise, because they are prepared for the jihad.

Americans donate to Hurrican Relief. Muslims donate to jihad families.

LOL.

Is Islam a Tolerant Faith? by Rafiq Zakaria

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/is_islam_a_tolerant_faith1/0013399

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If we keep having to ask that question, especially among Muslims themselves as is done in this article link, then the answer is obviously: "NO!!"

Can someone confirm? Does jihad also provide for blood relatives to bypass judgement?

Foehammer said:
This is why I have repeatedly called for an outlawing of Islam in the United States.

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You can do that. You can do that without changing 1 line of the American constitution.

All you have to do is declare that Islam is a political movement which undermines the constitution. And it is, no sleight of hand.
Because unlike other religions Islam is _BOTH_ a religion and a political movement.

So all that needs to happen is for some Americans to look for a case where their civil rights have been violated by Islam and bring a test case. It would have to be watertight.
Because this one is likely to go all the way to the US Supreme Court. Even if it fails, it will have every American thinking about it. And no doubt with the daily backdrop of bombings in Baghdad and possible Shia-Sunni civil war in the Middle East (looking increasingly more likely), it could tip the balance.

After all, everyone knows Roe versus Wade in the States, right?

Well lets see under cover muslims converting to christianity? Uh thats a pretty good clue that you may want to stop importing more muslims ,first of all.

Secondly you could quite possibly start deporting muslims for even minute infractions of our laws.

The biggest thing we could do is stop expecting the majority of the world to suffer due to the cause of a minority.

We know the plans of the hierarchy,kill them with terrorism,outbreed them.All this is done with world wide approval by the failed reasoning of all leaders.

Saudi arabia does not allow anything other than islam in it's country.All other religions under islamic rule are suppressed.If things are to remain this way then what future does one have to look forward to? What would one have left to lose?

The profiling question or problem is easy. Who cares what they feel or think about it.If they are truly peaceful and or 'moderate' then a little inconvenience should be no problem.

It would be wise for all the current administrations worldwide who wish to retain thier past history and future history to come together because under islam there is only one history they wish to remember.

Also as far as the sanctions on Iran i fail to see how affecting the people would not be advantagess.Sow discord among them.Let the Iranian leadership answer the questions as to why thier money feeds the world terrorism problem and not it's people.

I am convinced that in order to head the U.N. and possibly most countries that the main crieria is to be STUPID!

Shia-Sunni civil war in the Middle East. Read this about the war in Dearborn! It's true. So do'es anyone want to move to Dearborn?.... (chirp, chirp, chirp...)

http://wordpress.com/tag/dearborn/feed/

It will never find it's way into the news, but they have been at each other for sometime now.

Foehammer, yep its insane isn't it, but I am not sure if some of the extreme left wing will come out with alienism as a thought crime.

But also it gives me hope because a normal person with just an modicum of common sense can work out its Islam, the good thing about this is that we are now laughing with contempt against those smug elites and our European elites are much too important and intelligent to be be laughed at.

As for the 10% rule, in Britain they obviously can't count, but the UK government is such a bunch of fools the Islamics think that they can get away with anything, well actually they can because they know the UK can not be tough with the home grown problem when they are reaching out to the ROP in Iraq and Afghan

Nice website by the way.

@Daffersd: Thanks. I work hard on my site because I'd like to reach a wider audience eventually.

I believe as you believe: that eventually the "common sense" of the "common man" will save us all. It's just a matter of handing enough of the people the truth instead of sugar-coated political expediency.

@UK Infidel Lover: You make very good points, and I also think along the same grounds as you, that the Constitution can be amended when it comes to any religion that at its heart seeks to impose religious law in place of Constitutional. In this case we all know it is Sharia Law that the Muslims espouse and that they ultimately wish to reign. Any that say otherwise are only "cultural" Muslims that won't stand a chance in Hell of reasoning with the devout in their midsts once the veil drops away and the lobbying in Washington turns into bullying.

I had to post this article also:

CAIR ASKS FBI TO PROBE NAZI VANDALISM OF IDAHO MOSQUE

CAIR just makes me laugh. I can't wait for the day I finally get to confront a few of their representatives face to face. I'll go out of my way to make it a shouting match.

OT

I haven't read all the thread so I apologize if its been posted already.

Seems the Islamocrazies have kidnapped a BBC reporter in the Gaza strip.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6442663.stm

I wonder how the radical left who make up the BBC will spin this one. My bet is it will still be the Joooos fault.

QuadoLama said:
Everyone still thinks that islam is the enemy. But as we all know it is the muz and not islam. We truly need to get serious about this if we are ever going to defend out selves. It is the muz that are exploding, not islam. Islam is just a book. We will never rid the world of islam, but we can convert the islamites, that is a real choice we will need to make.

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I disagree. IT IS the damned books.

Remember Alexandra the Great and Gengis Khan?
They were mighty warriors - at one point their empires covered much of the known ancient world.
But their empires did not outlast their deaths.
Once they died, that was it, the empires collapsed.

Now consider Napolean Bonaparte.
At one point, militarily he had conquered much of Europe. Of course that empire collapsed once he was vanquished. But what _HAS_ survived of him is the Napoleonic Code. That is _STILL_ the civil code of France - 200 hundred years later.

Now consider Karl Marx. Not military at all.
But because of "Das Kapital" & "the Communist Manifesto", he influenced Russia, China, Eastern Europe, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea for nearly 100 years. Uncountable number of ordinary people have led miserable impoverished lives, been imprisoned, tortured, died because others took his ideas seriously and ran their countries on the basis of it. Stalin & Mao have, I beleive, killed more people than Hitler ever did.
It is only recently has humanity become convinced that it does not economically work.
Still - to this day - are there Communist Political Parties in European countries, still trying to make the system work!!
It will take a while before this completely dies.

Now consider Islam. 1400 years of influence.
It is parts of the Quran, the Hadith collections and the Sira that inspire Muslims to acts of cruelty, rape, theft, a warped view of sexuality that degrades women, murder and totalitarism.
So it is _NOT_ the Muslims per say.
It _IS_ the effect of their damned books on them.

It has always been the case the philosophers and founders of religion have to power to shape humans lives, long after their own lives cease.
They are more powerful than military leaders as their words shape other peoples lives.

The philosophers and founders of religion are the powerful ones.

UK Infidel Lover, I agree with you, with one caveat, the ruling Arab class of course love Islam because it is perhaps the best tool ever created by man to control the masses, which is perhaps why the hard left love it so much, they are envious...

Hey there XRDC,
Yes I know you did, we have conversed before. It appears smellA is lost, gang ravaged, crime ridden, corrupt, failed schools (students?). But here is an interesting tidbit, I have a lib friend and not long ago he and his family decided to move to LA (El Segundo) so he could be closer to work. Well he was able to hold out for less than a year before he fled. And that is living in El Segundo so I can only imagine other areas like east LA (fast becoming south/east LA) or south/central. Needless to say I warned him that would happen but he needed to find out for himself. Isn’t it funny that if you go a little further south you hit Little Saigon, the people there are well aware of what totalitarianism can do and they don’t like it. Who would have thought that American Vietnamese would be in the middle of defending the USA 20 years ago? Another interesting thing was my friend’s wife became ill while living there, a mysterious affliction that made her extremely tired among other things. This soon disappeared upon moving out of the area. She also states that many of the people she encountered throughout her day were like zombies, walking around oblivious to their surroundings. Strange, very strange indeed.

Doh, don’t the Nazis have a compound in Idaho? And, I thought they were on the same side? Is this just the latest islamist/nazi rift?

Seems the Islamocrazies have kidnapped a BBC reporter in the Gaza strip.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6442663.stm
I wonder how the radical left who make up the BBC will spin this one. My bet is it will still be the Joooos fault. Posted by: km

Infidel

I am sure there is a lot of truth to what you say, if he is released all we will get is endless platitudes of how well he was treated and it wasnt the Palis fault they were forced to do it, if only Israel vanished, blah blah blah.

I am not sure I could handle another Ridley though maybe a smiting at the neck really is the best option here.

"Remember Alexandra the Great..."
-- from a posting above by "UK Infidel Lover"

I certainly do. And she certainly was.

Lame Cherry,

You are right to draw attention to the fact that success can breed guilt. Among comments I heard from Arab friends in the Middle East were 'I don't believe anyone is happy in this life' and 'no one wants you to be happy here.' I am not sure to what extent this applies only to success by means of one's own honest efforts. The tyrants and dictators of the Arab world and those who grew rich due to the incidental fact that oil is found within their domains do not seem to be plagued by guilt.

Americaningermany,

Ach ja, der Libanon... Lebanon is not very different from other Arab/Middle Eastern countries... and was not when it had a majority Christian population. The alleged political parties were in fact sectarian groups divided along religious lines dressed up in different terminology - at least to a very large extent. And what many here fail to realise, I think, is that honour killings are also carried out by Christian families in the Middle East, although I realise that you are probably speaking here about a Lebanese muslim. A Jordanian friend of mine said recently that he would never go to Lebanon as it is too dangerous - everyone there carries a gun. On the other hand Beirut is a popular holiday destination for Arabs from Gulf states who cannot afford to travel further afield. And they always say, 'because there you have freedom.'

QuadoLama: Yes you are right, but we will never rid the world of islam and the book.

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I think you are right.
I go along with Lawrence Austers doctorine of separation:

See here
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/006854.html

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I subscribe to the now tiny but, I believe, some-day-to-be prevalent Separationist School of Western-Islamic Relations. We separationists affirm the following:

Islam is a mortal threat to our civilization.

But we cannot destroy Islam.

Nor can we democratize Islam.

Nor can we assimilate Islam.

Therefore the only way to make ourselves safe from Islam is to separate ourselves from Islam.

Other writers who might be called separationists include Serge Trifkovic, Diana West, Randall Parker, the Norwegian blogger Fjordman, and Hugh Fitzgerald. Of course, each of these writers has his or her own emphases, and I don’t wish to impose an unwanted label on anyone. Nevertheless, it seems to me that there is a common core of ideas among the writers mentioned, and “separationism” would be as good a way to describe it as any.
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and the implications of that is that Muslims must leave Western shores.

We should be able to get rid of the illegal immigrants that are Muslims.
And we can revoke the ones that are naturalised or have some type of stay status that are Muslims
And we should be able to demolish Mosques, make sure others are never built, declare Islam as illegal.

ok so a few Europeans convert, does not make a landslide. the problem is basic islam, when ever a muslim decides to be an active pious muslim that is the first step towards terrorism. Therefore islam needs to be labeled evil cult, and banned.

Hugh:
I certainly do. And she certainly was.

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Oh God. That should be Alexander the Great

'Terrorists Proving Harder to Profile'

but not by very much...

'European Officials Say Traits of Suspected Islamic Extremists Are Constantly Shifting'

from one Muslim male to another Muslim male and from one Muslim male to a Muslim woman.
hard to see a common thread, really.

i cannot help thinking that what Craig Whitlock
wanted to say was 'forget profiling', but then he has to mention that 'of 242 Islamic radicals .... most were men of Arab descent ......in age from 16 to 59........ average was 27.....one in four had a criminal record'. so, that means we clearly have somewhere to start the filtering process.
yes, there will be others: the young white male convert suicide bomber who cannot accept that the world regards him as a nobody, the traumatised blonde Bosnian who wears makeup and infidel clothes so that she can plant a bomb in a cafe, the psychopathic French chemistry graduate with a good job who builds sophisticated bombs for his unemployed asylum-seeking friends, and so on and so on.
we will get caught out by the unexpected, even though we should not, but it is these oddballs who will really be the tiny minority of extremists, the great majority of extremists will be the same ones as in the past.

"Oh God. That should be Alexander the Great."
-- from a new posting by "UK Infidel Lover"

Now you correct yourself, and tell us she was a he all along. How do you think I feel?

Terrorists Proving Harder to Profile: European Officials Say Traits of Suspected Islamic Extremists Are Constantly Shifting,"

So lets keep on frisking Christian pensioners, just as we have been doing for almost six years :(

'There is no other equivalent grouping, by any Infidels anywyhere (no "Organization of Christian or even Post-Christian States"'
Dear Hugh, Russia is trying to organize a kind of alliance of Orthodox Christian states but I am afraid that Kremlin has another enemy in its mind, not Islam...

The very idea that Russia, should be doing nothing about its own demographic conquest by Islam, with all kinds of unstated assumptions about the kind of Muslims the second or third generation after the ferocity of Soviet rule (and the campaigns against religion or belief-systems that are called "religions") but instead trying to organize "Orthodox Christians" (let's see: Greece, which is too much in the grip of anti-American and islamisant elements, Bulgaria which is happy with its American cooperation and those American bases, Serbia which is under assault and trying simply to stay alive...and what else are the brilliant strategists in the Kremlin doing?

Pavel Felgengauer -- is he still writing his common sense, or has he been shut up? What a mess the Putinian KGB people ahve turned out to make. And one thought that he would be an unpleasant strongman, but at least have some sense of how to save Russia. But it's more of the same. Even worse than more of the same.

To Foehammer - 'bitter and angry and tired of it all' - a word of encouragement.`

Yes. It's exhausting. Don't forget to feed the soul (that advice is meant not just for you but for everyone else here as well).

All I can recommend is this: if you're a Christian, read the Psalms, or the Book of Esther ("and if I perish, I perish") or Daniel chapter 3 (the part where the three young men are threatened with the fiery furnace unless they bow, and they tell him that whether God rescues them or not, they are not bowing down to the king or his false gods). Abraham Heschel's "God In Search of Man" or David Bentley Hart's "The Beauty of the Infinite" or Dante's Divine Comedy - the Sayers translation - are reminders of that whole marvellous world to which Islam is miserably deaf and blind.

If you're not a believer: read J K Rowling, "The Order of the Phoenix" - you'll identify with Harry's feelings in that novel! There's a reason why I call myself 'dumbledore's army'. Don't let the Islamic boggarts and dementors get to you.

Your nom de plume sounds Tolkien-esque - I re-read The Lord of the Rings lately - I am SURE that Tolkien's fictional scenario was influenced by his medievalist's knowledge of the 1300 year war between Christendom and the jihad. Read 'Return of the King', first part, chapter 4 - 'the siege of Gondor', and 5, 'the ride of the Rohirrim'. When I first read about the siege of Vienna and Jan Sobieski's horsemen I wondered whether that was where Tolkien got some inspiration. Re. truth, treachery and propaganda - Tolkien covered that in the second book, The Two Towers, in two chapters 'the king of the golden hall' and 'the voice of Saruman'. It's bang on the nail.

G K Chesterton is magnificent: read his "Battle of Lepanto". He also wrote "The Ballad of the White Horse" - it's about Alfred the Great's fight against the Danes (who were at that time human-sacrificing bloodthirsty monsters who would have eaten up today's Muslims for breakfast...) but it has some great lines that resonate with our present predicament. "I bring you naught for your comfort/ naught for your desire/ save that the sky grows darker yet/ and the sea rises higher". The other one is "The Ballad of St Barbara". You might enjoy his novel "The Flying Inn" which describes an attempted Muslim takeover of Britain...and how it is defeated (how I wish someone brave would update The Flying Inn from 1920s to nowadays and make a rip-roaring movie!).

Another 'inspirer' - J Michael Straczynski's Babylon 5 TV series. Like Chesterton he builds his story toward great moments of 'hope beyond hope'. And like Tolkien he knows that the only defence against falsehood and treachery is truth and troth.

Profiling Muslim terrorists is as easy as pie, once the politically correct nonsense is discarded.

If it's a practicing Muslim, it's a terrorist by the very definition on Islam, as laid forth in the Koran.

UK Infidel Lover: “All you have to do is declare that Islam is a political movement which undermines the constitution. And it is, no sleight of hand. Because unlike other religions Islam is _BOTH_ a religion and a political movement.”

To be completely academic, that’s because there is NO separation of religion and politics! I wonder, however, if the Administration could make that kind of move, using Justice or Treasury anti-Terrorism efforts. Doubt they would, honestly, but if anyone knows someone who can push this idea, it would be worth it!

For example, an Executive Order signed by Carter has prohibited domestic offshore drilling in all but TWO states (except past certain distances), but has NEVER been overturned. Why not? It’s vital now, yet nobody seems to have thought of this idea. As they say, “The stroke of a pen…”

Foehammer: “Hell, one of these days I might even start using my real name, endanger my own life and everyone around me, see the results of that calamity and then when I'm a martyr to the cause it might build one more block in the wall that needs to be erected to keep the Muslims out of the USA. I'm so bitter and angry and tired of it all, the idea no longer even makes me flinch.”

I know you heard many words of encouragement. That’s very sweet of them, but here’s what I have to say: I CONCUR! I no longer have any qualms about doing everything I can to protect our Western ideals, formed in Greece so long ago. I WILL NOT subjugate myself to inequality, slavery, and hatred. I have lost too much – friends, coworkers, FAMILY – to vile individuals. As a result, I have finally walked though all the suffering to become a stronger WOMAN than they EVER want to meet.

TGUSA : “The point of victory is not to die for your country, but to make the other poor dumb bastard die for his.” –Patton.

I agree, but if I’m to be led to the gallows or have my head severed ANYWAY, I’ll be damned if don’t try to take out 20 of them before they take me ANYWHERE. And I WILL do both…for we must be as willing to die and KILL (in our defense) as they are (in their offense). It’s just THAT simple, and that we MUST accept to be victorious.

Sidebars (OT?):

I recommend the following article from the country with the largest Muslim population in the world:

http://malaysia-today.net/blog2006/holds.php?itemid=2916

I recommend scanning the comments in addition to reading the article…it gives me hope that there are more like us in this debate.

I also came across this article from the NY Sun:

http://www.nysun.com/article/50244