Victory for Free Expression at San Francisco State University

... a student filed a formal complaint with the university against the College Republicans, alleging “attempts to incite violence and create a hostile environment”

In other words, do something that might less than totally please the hostile and violence prone Moslems in the Bay Area --- which is to say all Moslems there.

Good.

What kind of 'university' is STFU? i.e. where does their money come from?

Maybe there is something to be said for allowing the process to go forward in were the students(Student Organization Hearing Panel (SOHP)) are given an opportunity to end up upholding the constitutional protected free speech of the College republicans'.

The important issue here is that if there is a complaint issued by Conservative students or the College Republicans on a similar matter containing the same concerns such as, alleging “attempts to incite violence and create a hostile environment” and “actions of incivility.” Then will the administrations officials, and President Corrigan allow for the same process that was perpetrated towards the College Republicans?

Major universities tend to tolerate liberal, and leftwing ideologists all the time; never mind the leftist professors that are holding tenure at universities such as Ward Churchill and that UCLA educated Muslim convert professor at Kent state to name 2 out of hundreds in the university system.--- Follow the Saudi money trail in many cases-----

www.eagleforum.org/psr/2004/apr04/psrapr04.html

www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1226

www.campus-watch.org/article/id/195

Gaah, if only my printer got hooked up before I left home (We moved recently). Because I would love to tape the Hamas and Hizballah flags to my shoes and also wear that John Doe Sue Me badge. Oh well.

Now if only something could be done about the courses, and the faculty, and the general level of literacy.

From the article: "SFSU’s shameful attack on free expression began after an October 17, 2006 anti-terrorism rally at which several members of the College Republicans stepped on pieces of paper they had painted to resemble Hamas and Hezbollah flags. Unbeknownst to the protestors, the flags they had copied contained the word “Allah” written in Arabic script."

So the College Republicans claimed ignorance of Allah being written on the 'flags'. So what? Even if they did know 'Allah' was written on the flags, their desecration is still protected speech in the US, although the University would most likely see it different in deference to the violence-prone muslim student community. This decision is a Pyrrhic Victory at best.

Finally some sanity. If these universities uphold the "right" to burn an American flag, then they better give equal rights to those who want to burn a Hamas flag as well.

word to the moslems: S.T.F.U.!!

It took months to decide this???

S.T.F.U. and Muslims ought to be blaming Hamas and Hezbollah for “desecrating” their “Allah” — associating their deity to terrorism — in the first place,

Dane asks: "What kind of 'university' is STFU?"

These days, with all the speech codes and "sensitivity" constraints, virtually all liberal arts universities are STFU. :-)

But seriously, Dane, it's SFSU, not STFU. They only act like it's STFU. :-)

Here's some free expression for y'all. I've got a new piece of software that can take a source text and produce random texts based on it, reflecting its basic content and structure. I wondered what it would make of the Qur'an. So I fed it Pickthal's translation of Sura 9, and asked for a 200 word composition. Here's what I got:

Merciful. O ye who believe! Lo! Many of the believers their lives to his place of worship out of opposition and disbelief, and did disbelieve after their Surrender (to Allah) from the first to lead the way, of the wandering Arabs there is a painful doom to those who serve (Him), those who lied to Allah and His messenger sat at home. A painful doom to those who fast, these who bow down, those who keep their duty. How can there be any treaty for the Prophet, and to free the captives and the Christians say: The Messiah is the Forgiving, the Merciful. O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if anyone of the (Jewish) rabbis and the earth. He quickeneth and He giveth death. And ye prate even as they are disbelievers. And they purposed that which he expandeth and also the prayers of the rightly guided. Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst and tendance of the heavens and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah, as a loss.

Now, as our apologist friends will tell you this is not desecration because the Qur'an cannot be translated, so you can do what you like with the English text. I can't read Arabic, but I'm told that it has a highly alliterative poetic style, and I've heard Arab speakers reciting, and I thought perhaps we can give it a bit of rap-music feel. So I fed the resulting text through a "Jive-talk" filter and then through a "Valley-Girl" filter for good measure. What I got, I think, must be pretty close to the original...

Merciful. O ye who recon'! Right on! Lo! Right on! Many uh de believers deir lives t' his place uh worship out uh opposishun and disbelief, and dun dun Dun Dun did dis recon' afta' deir Surrenda' (to Allah) fum de fust t' lead de way, uh de wanderin' Arabs dere be some painful doom t' dose who serve (Him), dose who lied t' Allah and His messenga' sat at crib. some painful doom t' dose who fast, dese who bow waaay waaay Waaay Waaay down, dose who keep deir duty. How kin dere be any treaty for de Prophet, and t' free de captives and de Christians say: de Messiah be de Forgivin', de Merciful. O ye who recon'! Right on! Choose not yo' faders nor yo' bredren in religion. Us dudes detail Our revelashuns for some sucka's who gots' knowledge. And if anyone uh de (Jewish) gurus and de eard. That dude quickened and That dude gived dead. And ye prate even as dey are disbelievers. And dey purposed dat which That dude expanded and also's de prayers uh de rightly guided. Count ye de slakin' uh some pilgrim's dirst and tenboogy uh de heavens and de Last Day, and strived in de way uh Allah, as some loss.

Just thought I'd share it with all you connoisseurs. Hope nobody's offended
:-)

(I shared this text in an earlier site, but it got eaten by the DhimmiWatch gremlins...)

These College Republicans should now take a leaf out of the Flying Imams' book an issue a counter-complaint against the student who filed the original complaint.

They won't, I imagine, because that would be tantamount to victimisation of the student in question; it would also be vindictive and futile.

But it would be a good publicity stunt and a fine way to score a political point at the expense of those disgusting imams.

You people pride yourselves in freedom of speech? Where is it now that some maniac is on the rampage deleting my comments? Maybe afterall you need to see a psychologist to tell you that its indeed YOU who is opposed to freedom of expression rather than the MUSLIM.

Maybe you are tempted to delete this one too??? Feel free, oppressed westerners. Caged in self-denial and self-worship

Speech in the USA is not free.
It was paid for with the blood of men
who resisted to the death an evil tyranny.

Are you refering to the British? You think the Brits whom you owe your existance to are tyranical? oh gosh

Absolutely wonderful. Must be very satisfying to burn a HAMAS or Hizbollah flag after all the times we've watched the American flag being stomped and burned.

As a first time poster to this site, I find myself a little confused at the shock that a lib school would have a "dhimmi mentality". What, all of a sudden they are going to have the scales fall from their eyes, and not have a "progressive", the enemy of the right is my friend, world view? These people have been indoctrinated into this "Hate America"/"Blame America" way of life the same as the people of the ME/MSA.
The student organizations now know that if they are not muslim they are subject to disciplinary review by the university administration. In a nutshell, They(the college admin.) just told the College Republicans,"We've got our eye on you!"

On a separate note, I say it's time to take a more proactive roll. Start calling these muslim student assoc. on their never ending "taqiyya" and "kitman". It is high time that they are confronted with their own words.

Well done. Now could you just have a word about academic freedom with our own dhimmis in the UK at Clare College Cambridge and Leeds? (see Melanie Phillips at

http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1478

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=496

Alhamdo Li'llah!!! I am an SFSU graduate (2003) and I FINALLY have a reason to be proud of that fact. The school's reputation is poor given it is in between UC Berkeley and Stanford ... so, it is not exactly known as an intellectual powerhouse in the Bay Area.

Hey Patrick
Being between UC Berzerkely and Stanford? Isn't that like being between a rockhead and a hard left? Just askin

A study of American history
is in order for abdullah, slave of allah,
if he can put down his koran,
the immutable, eternal perfect words
of allah who told gabriel
who told mohammed who told
those who believe
in total submission
to the baal melech
who lives on the blood of innocents,
who condones and sacralizes slavery,
wife beating, misogny,and the killing of kufir.

S.T.F.U. and Muslims ought to be blaming Hamas and Hezbollah for “desecrating” their “Allah” — associating their deity to terrorism — in the first place

Dang. I was looking forward to reading Justice Alito's opinion on SFSU's newly-invented blasphemy laws, as undoubtedly upheld by the Ninth Circus.

In the Bible when the angel Gabriel spoke to people they were afraid at first, but Gabriel comforted them.

Mohammad's reaction to the angel Gabriel, was that he thought he was going mad, he perspired, was anxious and afraid. Mohammad had to push away his fear to return to the cave. Did the angel ever try to comfort him as he had done in the past?

Wasn't it his wife that comforted him?

Was it Gabriel or Satan that spoke to Mohammad?

pvb,
I vote neither. Old Mo just made the stuff up based upon incomplete knowledge of the Bible (Jewish and Christian), Arab myths, the pagan religion that Mohammed and his tribe practiced, plus some stuff just thrown in so he could justify his rape and pillage routine.

Whether it's the moon god, gabriel or mo's inner child speaking,it's a vile and loathsome collection of perverted material.

These "college Republicans" should just be glad they're not Frenchmen in Yemen:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/03/25/koran-thrown-on-the-floor-in-yemen-one-dead-five-injured/

Meanwhile:

Is it just a co-incidence that eveny time a pigeon craps it looks like the name of "Allah"?

Hmmm?

This is a good sign that idiots like Mr.Hooper
and Mr.Awad will finally start to get a real taste of "Backlash" , sure obese slobs like Moore can mock 9/11 and make Saddam out to be
a victim from the Bush Conspiracy to make 9/11 look like Muslims did it , but , far too many tangible battles on American soil are being waged by Islamofacists in our Schools and Airports .

Most people I know are accepting and tolerant of some verbal abuse or attack on their values , but CAIR is really pushing the issue
and if the Courts fail to protect innocent civilians from foreign malitias in America , We The People will respond to defend Freedom and Democracy because Sharia law and Islam has only brought poverty and harm to almost every nation where it dominates.
Backlash Mr.Hooper?????????
You aint seen nothing yet my friend , you made such a big deal over making sure people knew a Mosque was in their area that you never realized that when the next 9/11 happens from your Jihadist
buddies the gloves will come off and those Mosques won't be so save after you incited a reaction by denying islam or Muslims are connected to it.

This isn't a threat Hooper, it's a warning that we in the west may appear soft and easy to push over , that's because some Hills aren't worth dying for but at one point you'll pick the wrong hill to assume it can be claimed for Allah and islam.

Well, even a broken watch is right twice a day.

You people pride yourselves in freedom of speech? Where is it now that some maniac is on the rampage deleting my comments? Maybe afterall you need to see a psychologist to tell you that its indeed YOU who is opposed to freedom of expression rather than the MUSLIM.

Maybe you are tempted to delete this one too??? Feel free, oppressed westerners. Caged in self-denial and self-worship

Posted by: Abdullah

Hey Abby, relax. They're too busy here to delete your stuff. As I mention in my post a couple before yours, there appears to be some software glitch on the reader postings at DhimmiWatch and some get randomly deleted.

Don't feel bad, I've been deleted too, but I can't imagine that anyone would have done so deliberately as my postings are very respectful. In fact, if you scroll up to my posting (or textsearch "qur'an") you'll see how innocuous my most recently deleted posting was ... Anyway, I reposted it here, so no big deal.

Whatever the cause of the DhimmiWatch gremlins, I assure you they are equal opportunity deleters.

"Caged in self-denial and self-worship..."

Excuse me, Abdullah, but please may I ask you to explain these strange observations?

One of the core themes of Dhimmi Watch is the extent to which western countries indulge in self-loathing.

Far from worshipping themselves, western governments and institutions appear more intent on worshipping at the altar of multiculturalism; and craven subservience to Islamist bullyboys is merely one consequence of this new 'faith'.

Hence the creation of Dhimmi Watch.

As for us being 'caged in self-denial', that is really quite a weird comment that demands further explanation.

I mean, how precisely are we denying our own wishes and desires? By refusing to eat too much cheese? By voting for George Bush rather than Al Gore?

I thought that when a certain Ayatollah proclaimed that 'there is no joy in Islam', he was - after a fashion - alluding to the joys of 'self-denial' (and other beautiful things) associated with this great religion?

By stark contrast, Islamists claim, we in the West are decadent and immoral.

But how can we be 'caged in self-denial', I wonder?

For a country or political group to claim that its flag is entitled to special treatment, more so than anyone else's flag, because they happen to have planted the name of their god on it, is a patent absurdity. Muslims seem to have lost touch with the elementary instinct that tells a person when they are making fools of themselves. Having said that, the Germans did cave in last summer and removed the Iranian and Saudi flags from outside a brothel, while leaving the flags of all the other football world cup participants in place.

You people pride yourselves in freedom of speech? Where is it now that some maniac is on the rampage deleting my comments? Maybe afterall you need to see a psychologist to tell you that its indeed YOU who is opposed to freedom of expression rather than the MUSLIM.

Maybe you are tempted to delete this one too??? Feel free, oppressed westerners. Caged in self-denial and self-worship

Posted by: Abdullah

....

Abdullah

Only trolls get deleted here. This is a very open forum. mohametans regularly come here to post and their comments are not deleted. I look forward to dialogue, but don't expect kid gloves.

nabi ZK

- he who sees more than he would really like to.

Whya stop at flag stomping????

If the National Endowment for the Arts can fund someone who "artistically" expresses themselves by placing a cross in a beaker of urine, the least we can do is "artistically" express our selves by according the artifacts of other religions, including Islam, the same "artistic" expression and respect.

United States Code
TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 13--CIVIL RIGHTS

Sec. 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or
custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory,
Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or
threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;
and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be
sentenced to death.

FAO: thelittlegreekwoman
Hey I hadn't heard about that and I did not see any demos/marches/media hostility to it .. it must have been colorfully praiseworthy.
So as an entry for the Turner Prize how about a parcel of pig's excrement wrapped in a series of Muslim national flags overlaying a parchment listing and defining Sharia law?
Wonder what reactions that would arouse mongst paid up members of the loony left multicultural society!

Some forms of flag descecration are more equal than others?

Interesting.

From Infidel33 above-

" Dang. I was looking forward to reading Justice Alito's opinion on SFSU's newly-invented blasphemy laws, as undoubtedly upheld by the Ninth Circus. ..."

With all our new Brit and Aussie friends we may need to explain a few local "isms", like "Ninth Circus". Permit me me do the honors.

The 9th Circus refers to the unelected (appointed) Ninth Circuit Court of the US, which "governs" the Western US (or rather, the circus judges like to think they govern the Western US). They are a hold-over collection of Socialist/Commies from the Cold War. All the kooks,perverts, and Muzzies like to bring their lawsuits to the 9th Circus since they know they will get a "fair" hearing and the other guy will get clammed.

The 9th Circus has a record of being the most overturned court in the country (by higher courts), as most of their rulings are un-constitutional.

You can bet that at some point in time the Muzzies will try to get Sharia past the 9th Circus. And they will likely win their case!

How could this action ever get off the ground?

When you see Iranians and Palestinians busy burning the Stars & Stripes, what the hell is going on when a University attempts to ban a milder reciprocal action?

Americans are well within their rights to burn the flags and chant, "Death to Hamas", "Death to Iran"

Abdullah,

All of us have had posts eaten by the gremlins. Even Hugh, who is a director at JW/DW wrote that some of his posts vanished. If you're looking for other Muslim posters here, there are many. Haidon comes to mind. Then there is the widow Naseem.

Hey, heres an idea... maybe Naseem can become one of your four wives and you two can make a baby jihadist to kill all us evil infidels.